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2901  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: January 10, 2013, 04:36:18 AM
PPLNS users got a big boost to earnings from it.  Time to figure out who the real owner is and send them back the part that hasn't already been credited to accounts.

I am curious what easy method you can use to determine how much was legit fees versus a possible mistake amount of fees?

Part of me thinks you should keep it unless someone comes to you. But maybe i do not realize how easy it might be to set aside the mistake amount versus hours of work involved for you to chase someone down.

Basically i am curious how u go about it.

The person who created the bad transaction made a post (and a raw transaction in an attempt to try to get a lower fee version on the network to possibly "double spend" the transaction with the appropriate fee), and confirmed their identity.

102 BTC of the overdone fee was returned to the original wallet the transaction came from in this transaction: http://blockchain.info/tx-index/42579467/4a0fe8cb78b19778a49d171642649c9ee25453ed206894c88b049d0ee7939a0f .  The rest was already credited to PPLNS miners (rounded up to 9 BTC).


Luckily you can always see the originating address, so it was risk free to send it back without worrying that it was going to the wrong person.  I just needed confirmation it was safe to send back to the original address, otherwise it would've been harder to go about sending the money back (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135665.msg1445272#new).
2902  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MAJOR SCREW UP - 111 BTC AS FEES (don't do raw tx's when you're tired) on: January 10, 2013, 04:33:36 AM
Just confirm it's safe to do so and I can send 101 BTC back to the originating address.  Unfortunately a bit does get eaten up because PPLNS users on the pool are paid transaction fees (but only a minor percentage of users take part in PPLNS).

1ciyam3htJit1feGa26p2wQ4aw6KFTejU is the originating address.

That would be wonderful of you (losing 10 BTC is at least much better than losing 111 BTC).

I've sent a PM with a message and signature to prove I own it.


102 BTC returned in this transaction: http://blockchain.info/tx-index/42579467/4a0fe8cb78b19778a49d171642649c9ee25453ed206894c88b049d0ee7939a0f

I'd highly recommend not creating raw transactions in the future unless absolutely necessary Smiley.  $1,500 is a pretty risky mistake if it didn't land on a known pool wallet/IP.
2903  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MAJOR SCREW UP - 111 BTC AS FEES (don't do raw tx's when you're tired) on: January 10, 2013, 04:20:45 AM
Just confirm it's safe to do so and I can send 101 BTC back to the originating address.  Unfortunately a bit does get eaten up because PPLNS users on the pool are paid transaction fees (but only a minor percentage of users take part in PPLNS).

1ciyam3htJit1feGa26p2wQ4aw6KFTejU is the originating address.
2904  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: January 10, 2013, 04:19:14 AM
PPLNS users got a big boost to earnings from it.  Time to figure out who the real owner is and send them back the part that hasn't already been credited to accounts.
2905  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: January 08, 2013, 02:05:04 AM
A nice stream of blocks helped speed up confirmations of the cold->hot wallet transfers.  Automatic payouts were processed twice this hour to catch the ones that failed today and yesterday.
2906  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: January 08, 2013, 01:34:57 AM
Some payouts failed today.  Apparently a huge number of users who haven't been active/never withdrew coins in the past few months decided to come back and finally withdraw, cleaning out the hot wallet.  I'm refilling the hot wallet right now, and the bad payouts have been cleared from payment history.
2907  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: December 31, 2012, 10:40:28 PM
I've noticed a lot of users have returned that were absent after the DDoS, but the split between Stratum and Getwork started shifting back to getwork.  When the servers were initially recovering, the Stratum redirects were not pointing to the proper IP, and your miners may have defaulted back to getwork.

If you're using a native Stratum miner and you're seeing any of the following:
1) Warning about not using stratum ("Mine more efficiently" notice at the top of each page)
2) Not having shares show up as PPLNS
3) Seeing "pool # not providing work fast enough" in cgminer output

Please give your miner a quick restart if you see any of the above when using a native stratum miner.  It should redirect back to the Stratum based server.
2908  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: why isn't p2pool more popular than it is? on: December 31, 2012, 06:15:41 AM
With 500MHs/s your average reward should be around 0.04BTC per block found. You can pack several inputs in a transaction with a 0.0005 BTC fee so your loss from fees is less than 1% when you use p2pool mined coins.

So if the alternative is a pool with more than 1% fees you're automatically better off with p2pool.

Currently the fees earned by block mining are around 1-2%, so if the alternatives don't pay you network fees, that's more you lose vs p2pool.
And lastly, my 2 months performance on p2pool is 107,5% vs expected 100%PPS so p2pool seems to have a higher than average reward than most pools. I didn't even count some small downtimes in that period so it's a low estimate. This matches what http://p2pool.info/ reports: constant higher luck.

One explanation may be that p2pool is by its nature better connected to the bitcoin network than most pools: all P2Pool nodes quickly broadcast a p2pool found block on the bitcoin network which may lower orphan rate.

p2pool's luck is just that:  luck.  The smaller the pool size, the more varied that is.  90 days is hardly enough time for measuring it given it makes up less than 3% of the network.  For almost a year the p2pool luck was abysmal and anybody using it would've been better off with any decent sized pool.


That's a very helpful explanation.

So at 4 Bit Cents per block my 13 BTC example would have 325 inputs.  Would that really be only a 0.0005 BTC fee?

Does anyone have a real world example?
Thanks,
Sam

It's hard to give a real world example, but you'll have a very hard time ever sending 13 BTC with 325 different inputs.  In that kind of situation, you'd be better off sending your inputs into a separate wallet with larger chunks (keeping the transactions small while doing so).  Do that a few times, then wait for those to mature, then use those to make even larger chunks (keeping transaction size small while doing so) again once they've matured enough to not require a fee.  Note:  This will not work if your initial inputs aren't big/old enough to avoid transaction fees.  Each 0.04 input would have to be 25 days (I think) old prior to being merged.

The "bag of pennies" scenario is a significant problem for small miners on p2pool.  Not so bad for larger ones.  But the larger p2pool becomes, the worse this problem is.  It's a hidden fee for using p2pool.  You get your money faster than some pools, though there are many pools that don't require waiting for blocks to mature (or PPS where you don't even have to wait for a block).  However, the larger p2pool becomes, the more frequently you'll be forced to pay txfees when spending coins.



p2pool's concept is great, but the payment method and share chain prevent it from becoming a major "pool".  Unless it gets turned into a series of supernodes which people mine through, which would end up being worse than the current pool system due to high stale rates using a remote node that has longpolls every 10 seconds.
2909  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: How do I mine with my Avalon ASICs? on: December 27, 2012, 01:26:18 AM
In a few days (hopefully) the first batch of Avalon ASICs will be delivered.   The question that bothers me at this point in time is, how to I mine with them in the most efficient way, the reason being,its those very first days that every bit of performance counts.

Do I solomine or point to a pool (which pool would support this in the most efficient way)?


Look for a pool that supports Stratum or GBT if you want the most efficient use of ASICs without worrying about the pool being too slow to send you new work.
2910  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: December 24, 2012, 04:28:56 AM
I've deployed a fix to the generic 'btcguild.com' getwork server.  I brought back the 3rd getwork server, and pointed the default DNS to that server, but the redirect for Stratum was still using the old IP from before the DDoS.  If you're using a native stratum client, you may need to restart it to get back on Stratum.  This shouldn't have affected too many users, since native clients should default back to getwork if the stratum redirect fails, and most proxy users had the correct IP already redirected from before the 3rd server came back online.
2911  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Weekly pool and network statistics on: December 24, 2012, 04:26:06 AM
Thanks for another week of updates.  I'm just wondering, do you collect any daily data that might be able to show the side effects of what happened when BTC Guild was being DDoS'd?  Started around 8 AM UTC on 12/20, and the pool was basically off for 8 hours and crippled for another 12.  Still missing a large chunk of hash power as a result (although BTC Guild historically loses ~500-600 GH/s whenever Litecoin difficulty drops).

Would be curious to see if we can get any hint of how the hash rate redistributes (if at all) when a major pool goes down.
2912  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: December 23, 2012, 05:33:55 PM
The getwork servers had a brief restart today to put in a change that I have been considering (and tried once in the past) for quite some time.  Ufasoft-based miners are no longer allowed on BTC Guild getwork servers.  For almost every botnet I have banned on BTC Guild, all but 2 were using Ufasoft.  For GPU mining, there is no reason to use Ufasoft.  CPU mining is unprofitable, a waste of resources, and puts as much load on getwork as a fast GPU, even if you're mining on a raspberry pi.

This change should improve the performance on the getwork pools for all other users.
2913  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: [3,370,182]Difficulty Discussion Thread [TRENDING ↓ ↓ ↓] on: December 23, 2012, 05:13:40 AM
Ack, wasn't aware that could happen. What is the reasoning behind that burst in blocks?

Just an extremely good run of luck.  It's why looking at daily network hash rate charts you see such massive swings.  It's not that tons of people are turning on/off, it's more about overall network luck than anything.
2914  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: [3,370,182]Difficulty Discussion Thread [TRENDING ↓ ↓ ↓] on: December 23, 2012, 02:52:22 AM
Hash rate is shooting up.

It'll fall back down.  After recovering from the DDoS, BTC Guild started shooting out blocks roughly twice what it's hash rate should produce (which means a ~3.3 TH/s pool is pushing out over 5 TH/s worth of blocks in the last 24 hours), which means a single pool is inflating the 24 hour estimate by over 2 TH/s alone.
2915  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: December 22, 2012, 04:31:21 PM
Is the site down? I get a 'To view this page, you must log in to area “realm” on btcguild.com:80' message when trying to access it.

The miners seem to work though...



If you ever encounter this error in the future, add 'www' to the address.  When the DNS shuffles around like this during a DDoS, I don't always have time to fix the redirects to the website.  It should let you in without it now.
2916  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Can someone explain BTCGUILD's PPLNS to me like I am a five year old. on: December 21, 2012, 06:03:13 PM
PPLNS is a very simple system when you think about it correctly.  BTC Guild uses 'N' = 30 million.

When a block is found, the last 30 million shares (10 shifts) split the block reward.  Ignoring pool fee/transaction fees in the block, this results in:

25 BTC / 30,000,000 = 0.0000008333333 BTC per share.

So each time a block is found, the last 30 million shares are paid 0.0000008333333 (again, this is without doing the math for pool/transaction fes).  This is much less than PPS.  However, a share can get paid for multiple blocks, since each block pays the last 30 million shares.  The PPLNS Shift History shows you how many blocks paid to a given set of shares.

At current network difficulty, it takes ~8.5 blocks to equal the PPS rate.  If a shift finds 8 or less, it was paid lower than the PPS rate.  If a shift finds 9 or more, it was paid higher than the PPS rate.


The first week of PPLNS was pretty rough at BTC Guild on luck.  However, there have been 24-72 hour periods that paid an average of 30-50% higher than 100% PPS would have.  Luck since PPLNS began is very close to neutral at this point.  The only thing skewing that a bit is the DDoS that hit on 12/20 (and early 12/21), which affected Stratum more than getwork due to which servers were targeted, meaning people on Stratum (which is required for PPLNS) were more affected by the pool outage than getwork users.
2917  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: December 21, 2012, 03:55:11 PM
The attacks haven't completely stopped, but they are being mitigated.  The mergedmining server should be up again shortly.
2918  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: December 21, 2012, 04:16:55 AM
If we are using the proxy what server should we use?


Try multiple servers: mine1, mine2, mine3, btcguild.com, etc.  The stratum proxy will redirect you to a different backend, so even if that DNS goes down you should remain connected.
2919  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: December 21, 2012, 01:20:50 AM
Are we still being attacked? The website cannot connect to the database.
Never mind, seems to be fixed now but it is very slow.


The attack keeps moving an hour or two after each nullroute.  Called the DC again to have them nullroute the next one, and I'm juggling servers around to try to keep things running as much as possible.
2920  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [3600 GH] BTC Guild - PPS, PPLNS with TxFees+Orphans, Stratum+Vardiff ASIC Ready on: December 21, 2012, 12:17:34 AM
Guys, despite the fact that I think that something is wrong with btc vardiff implementation, I personally think that eleuthria is one of the best pool admins around, and basically I do think that whatever he says is mostly 99% truth, so, whenever he says one thing is like that, most of the time that's the truth, so, just chill and wait..

What do you think is wrong with vardiff implementation?  Current settings are it will double your difficulty if your shares per minute is above 40.  Which means:

Difficulty 1 for users that are between 0 MH/s and 2800 MH/s..
Difficulty 2 for users that are between 2800 MH/s and 5600 MH/s.
Difficulty 4 for users that are between 5600 MH/s and 8400 MH/s.

This is on a per-connection basis, so if you have multiple copies of mining software open, but each one is running separately (instead of through a stratum proxy), the vardiff is applied to each miner.  This gives an expected SPM range of 20-40, the average being 30.  This is the highest SPM target of any other pool at the moment, chosen specifically because it provides very little variance even in a small window (15-30 minutes).  Obviously this only applies to Stratum.  There is no vardiff for getwork and never will be.
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