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adoption is an illusive term. Adoption by whom?
users? honestly, why should users convert to using viacoin when they have bitcoin...
merchants? why would they use viacoin when they have bitcoin, and even that is hardly used...
imho, adoption has different stages, with each stage tapping to a different adoption vector.
Right now, viacoin is simply no match for bitcoin as a currency [bitcoin is more accepted, recognized, traded, distributed, wallets, merchants, etc].
Adoption of CH as a decentralized market will also fail because it is based on a narrowly distributed coin [Viacoin] and can not compete with centralized exchanges in speed, volume, range of coins, etc.
I believe Viacoin's adoption right now should be 'app-developer adoption', i.e. convincing app developers to build their apps on CH.
Any app will do- a game, a discount token, an art-authentication app.... anything
We can do this in one of two ways I can think of-
1) community members rout connections to potential app builders and start-ups to Drak's direction and nag until the parties communicate.
2) community decides on an app project, and instead of throwing money on useless PR/ branding, we finance the first app and release it as an open-source proof-of-concept that can later be the base to drive more devs to build apps on VIA/CH.
We missed getgems, but i know there are other potential app-builders waiting on the fence...
They need some persuading to do, and with community members' connections + Drak's hands-on involvement, we might just succeed in flipping some of them our way instead of going to Ethereum, NXT, Bitshares, Mastercoin, etc.
Comparing VIA (and any other currency in that matter) with Bitcoin is simply unserious. At least in short term. Any project must have his own identity. Adoption is not an illusive term, because you said it first - " Bitcoin is more accepted, recognized, traded, distributed, wallets, merchants, etc..". That exactly means adoption. With that said - this is a win-win situation. For example there can be online shop, which is selling cats for VIA. Why should I care? I don't, but some other people do. It's called marketing, because adoption is > more people > more feasibility > more interest. |
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Hey, bejjan, Yes, the blockchain will be completely new so there is no point setting up pool with current source. New FAILCoin will be created and the old one will be denominated at EmpoEx at the rate 1 old FAIL for 0.0025 new. About 2 weeks after the swap is started only one FAIL will remain!  P.S. Thank you for your interest! Cheers, Spartak |
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Hey, FAILers, Our lead dev was on trip to China and we didn't have updates in the past 5-7 days, but he contacted us today. Just wanted to let you all know that we are still alive.  Stay FAILed about more updates, which we believe will be made pretty soon (no ETA's!). Cheers, Spartak |
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So.. guys, Many people here (me included) thinks that VIA needs more adoption and that is why I took some actions in that direction. I have contacted user yogg who runs dice game on AltDice.net and he agreed to list Viacoin, but the site needs a bankroll in exchange for shares in the site's profits . I believe that you can all understand that yogg must pay profits for the people who are winning and he cannot take the funds from his pocket. I have my own project and I can say that the coin in which I am mostly involved was listed (it will be denominated so it is currently not available there) for about 8-10 months without any issues. I can also say that yogg looks like one of the good guys here. Long story short - please take 2 minutes and read this to understand what is required for VIA to be listed. In about 10 mins I will make the first donation with 1000 VIA. EDIT: I send the coins, but they are still not confirmed so I contacted yogg to see what is happening. I will post the result as soon as he answer me.Cheers, Spartak |
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Barry,
I think that a lot of time passed already. Do you really (and how) intend to move the project further or not?
Cheers,
Spartak
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CryptoCobain = Maxcoin = Bigfail
Bryce Weiner = Rzrcoin / Zetacoin = Bigfail
Jebus911 = IronBankCoin = Bigfail
Jyap = Jumbucks = Bigfail
Fyrstikken = Cryptorush / Shibecoin = Bigfail
ALL loser coins design to take your'e money!
You don't know what you are talking about. Maxcoin is a Keiser's project (which practically is dying), Jyap has nothing to do with whales (that's why JBS has lack of volume and it is at low price) and Fyrstikken maybe invested in SHIBE (I don't really know and care), but he has nothing to do with the launch. I can asure you that the dev of SHIBE is not even from his nationality and SHIBE was not his only coin. Previously he launched a lot more which are all dead now. I've never heard about that IronBank, but it's true that RZR was Weiner's project (you can check their thread and see my "love" there). Now... instead of writing with big fat letters first do your researches better and try to come up with something that can be actually useful. |
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Interesting that Drak says these things as much of it is simply not true. I have a strong reputation in crypto that speaks for itself. But I should clarify a few things, as I don't mind being totally open about my work:
I have never actively traded VIA for day trade profits nor has Otoh. We typically accumulate large positions very early and help nurture the projects, a lot like what we have done with Darkcoin. Yes there are times we sell, but it's not done on a daily basis, or even a weekly basis for that matter. Also, I want to be very clear, I've never released any priveledged information to Drak about other projects, and if he believes so I welcome him to share it here as I'm that confident he won't be able to give me an example.
"Alarm bells began to ring for me when he started sharing privileged information with me about other projects his associates were involved in. I became concerned he might actually be using his position with viacoin to his advantage and leaking to his group."
Yes, Drak was telling me priveledged information that could be advantageous. And like I said in many previous posts, we were already the largest holders of VIA and XCH and we haven't sold our VIA position. And to say there were alarm bells at this point or prior is interesting and I'll point out why. Drak had shared with me that Patrick Byrne was interested in VIA and that they wanted him to fly out to the states in February. Drak had contacted me because he knew I represent some of the largest holders, and wanted to see if we could secure a block of coins for Patrick. I told him I could ask Otoh but I was not willing to sell any, in fact I told him I was interested in purchasing more (quite the opposite of what he claims of him feeling I was looking for a way out). Also, one extremely important point here: If there were really red flags prior to this, wouldn't Drak have just told me he has found a large interested buyer and not disclose names? Drak had informed me that he didn't mind me accumulating more just not to run up the price. Drak even advised me on the trade saying if anything to place bids just below the market. I debated including this info, but I figure at this point it's best to disclose everything. Eventually he become extremely upset when I informed him that I spoke with my attorney because I had some interest in accumulating a bit more VIA (We wound up acquiring maybe 7 btc more worth over the next 4 weeks at a price of 10-12k satoshi, hardly increasing our already sizable position of millions of coins). And to be honest I was quite surprised that he expected me not to consult with an attorney regarding anything, especially this as the last thing I wanted to do was put my self in any sort of legal problems. Fwiw, my attorney had informed me that as long as I was not manupaliting prices, since it's an unregulated market, that it was ok to accumulate more without any legal risk. Drak was not happy about the fact that I spoke to my attorney regarding this issue (but he was totally fine with my buying) and then decided to stop communicating with me over me obtaining legal consultation. This was definitely interesting as it seemed extremely irrational, not to mention as a trader wouldn't Drak want to know where legal lines are? February came and went and Drak had become even more silent on the forums as well as with others that he normally communicates with whom I am close with as well. I began to wonder what was happening behind the scenes, and began to question if a lot of what he's represented to this point was really as it seemed.
Prior to this incident I had done everything I could to help Drak push this project forward. I had brought on the largest base of investors (as a group we still hold over 3M VIA and around 12M XCH), I had converted 200k VIA for XCH even though I was not excited about the surprise second raise, I had introduced Drak to other companies in the crypto space in an effort to get him and his coin support. However, continuously since the beginning of VIA, I've seen him systematically shut down interest in this project as he has turned it into one of the smallest communities I've seen for a cryptocoin. Again, my actions in my projects speak for themselves. I've been active in helping other coins and investments succeed, and Drak has spawned practically zero adoption of VIA. These are simply facts.
If Drak thinks I'm trying to kill his coin he is wrong. The truth is I have lost faith in it, more specifically his ability to create any sort of adoption or community behind it, enough so that I think the best course of path is for him to shut it down and return remaining funds to coin holders. However I'm open to other possibilities.
I point out that I do question if he is being totally honest with the community. Otoh checked out long ago, because he is convinced that Drak is not.
However, if the community wants to move forward with the project, then so be it. If that is the case I propose that we have a trusted finance officer put in place to administrate the funds (which is why i've been trying to get an idea of where finances are). If he is truly as straightfoward as he tries to appear this should be a total non-issue right? If he is opposed to this, well, then we have to ask ourselves why?
Hello, masternode, Firstly, I want to point out 2 MAJOR issues here: 1) Drak should* learn (or get some) marketing techniques and use them for VIA - that is pretty clear for everyone with 50+ IQ. * - He is not obliged doing it as he is a coder after all. Maybe he did some mistakes, but they can be fixed in the future. Sometimes you can think you know something, but there is always someone else who knows better. 2) You must stop lying* people. * - You've had some informations regarding VIA project (and possibly others as well), you consulted with lawyers and we are talking about business (as you and I see it). After all - you are here firstly, because you probably liked the project and mostly because of the money you can earn. Now... let's stop the bullshit, okay? You are a grown man and you are investor. Calling yourself (with drak) both out is not the best option for VIA. It is obvious that the coin is struggling if we are talking about current price, but this is not the way to fix things. Drak is obviously skilled coder and you are obviously big investor. Please change the subject and act together (with the community) to take the project further. Most of all have seen worse situations than this one and I personally believe that Viacoin can really be something. Cheers, Spartak |
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Hey, Roshan,
Any news on SFR?
Cheers,
Spartak
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VIA - Very Important Asset. |
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Patience is a virtue. I would prefer seeing drak online, instead investing in projects with fancy promises and newbie developers who will be most likely gone weeks after they launch. It is the people who are giving value to the coins. Maybe if some of you are large VIA holders you can think about doing something instead whining about the price. I believe that VIA will be back on track... at least it deserves more than some beans, paycoins or blackdarkbit bs...
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cold hard reality always sets in after some time with these 'coin projects.' without targeting a specific market its almost impossible to find users. you cant just go after the whole world and expect to gain traction.
Of course that you can and I can even say it is a must. How do you think some people such as billionaires and actors succeeded? Do you think that their investments/auditions were always success? You can't expect to receive attention from the entire world, but you can have some percentage of it. This could be more than enough. Think big... |
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Better wait for drak's response instead spreading more fud. I will repeat that imho things are currently not looking good at all, but it's not the end of the world. My personal opinion is that marketing team should be gathered ato work on VIA's adoption. Current price can be doubled with less than 5 BTC, buying support started to show again little by little. Adoption is the key to success... features sometimes take a lot of time and lately people are kinda impatient.
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drak,
Is there any way for XCH to have simple wallet like most of the other coins?
I do not have any plans for such a wallet and it's a lot more complex than you think, because it requires running a full node and the clearinghouse daemon. That's just too complex for a "simple wallet" like Qt and would be difficult for a non-techy savvy person to deal with. Clearwallet is the implementation we're sticking with for the time being. Well... will use it as it is. Thank you for the reply. |
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I didnt see your question. Empoex is listed in the OP along with all the other exchanges that list via. I don't know what more you expect? Whenever a new service adopts viacoin it gets added to the OP. I do not agree that I should be pushing one exchange over another however. That opens another can of worms, just think about it for a minute. We provide a directory of known adopters and leave it to individuals to decide what to do.
Hey, drak, I'm not saying that you should/ must promote EmpoEx or something. I'm just saying that they least deserve a link to VIA markets in the op.  Cheers, Spartak |
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In any case, I'm not sure how effective a long BCT thread is anyway as a communication tool, especially with trolls who don't wish to respect the forum rules. Certainly from my side, I have no purpose except to update the resources links in the OP. The main communication portal as far as I am concerned for new version releases is the blog and twitter, and there is r/viacoin for news repostsand discussions. Anything else just get buried here. drak, About 2 weeks ago I asked pretty simple question about XCH and some discussion started afterwards. You didn't say anything though, and your silence refrained me to buy XCH (I'm not saying that will not buy in future). Like many other members of btctalk, I also don't like barabbas, but he has some valid points. There is something else which personally bothers me. The guys from EmpoEx decided to use VIA as their third pair on the exchange maybe over 2 months ago. It was first exchange in the world which decided to do so. There is nothing in the OP though. I can agree that they are not OKCoin, but I kinda find this offensive. With that said, I want to clarify that I'm not trying to start a fight, but I needed to share my thoughts. Cheers, Spartak |
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Hey, yogg,
We are not in rush. Just don't forget to swap old FAIL on EmpoEx when we start our denomination process. After that we will have new source (and Linux wallet) available.
Regards,
Spartak
Hey ! Allright then. When the swap takes place and the linux wallet is available, I will start a game with FAIL. I'll check this trade regularly. Do you have any idea of when the swap will take place ? Cheers, yogg Hey, yogg, I believe that it will start next week. We kinda messed up FAIL specs at the first fork. Cheers, Spartak |
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Well... it seems this one is dead too.
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Here is the "node" logo has changed
We have hired someone to change the website.
 You are joking, right? I can create better logo with pencil. Can you guys imagine what kind of man is asking you for $5-6M starting capital?! And with that logo WITH TYPOS?! I urge all people who are reading this to STAY AWAY from that IMPUDENT SCAM! ... and the guy is gone... |
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True, crypto is more about show business than anything else, most successful coins don't really have anything going for them tech-speaking, but they have good promotion.
That was my point. The most successful (and one of them) is Bitcoin. P.S. Check your PM.. you'll find something interesting. |
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