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29341  Other / Politics & Society / All Our Children Are Now FBI Terrorism Suspects on: July 11, 2016, 04:48:27 AM
All Our Children Are Now FBI Terrorism Suspects





In July 2015, I reported on and analyzed the FBI's Communities Against Terrorism Program and concluded that it made every adult citizen a terrorism suspect. In January 2016, the FBI announced that it wants to make every high school teacher, administrator and student in America a spy to report to it or local State police suspicious words or activity by any teenager attending our schools. The FBI was not satisfied with its 2012 Communities Against Terrorism Program which asks our neighbors to read any of 25 widely circulated posters and then to report us if we act in certain suspicious ways. Now the FBI has widened its net to over 15 million teenagers in our high schools.

As I explained previously, the dangerous speech which the FBI wanted our neighbors to report included, for example, (1) posting anti-government or environmental slogans, banners, or signs that imply violence; (2) spraying anti-government graffiti; (3) downloading material of an extreme or radical nature with violent themes, or preoccupation with press coverage of terrorist attacks; (4) making unusual anti?U.S. comments; or (5) making extreme racist or religious statements coupled with sentiments which appear to condone violence. As can be seen from this list of overbroad, vague and legally protected activities or speech which the FBI claims are red flags for terrorism, the FBI has little concern for our Bill of Rights, such as the right to speak freely or to read what we want.

And now, with a little sugar coating and Orwellian new speak, there is a dire warning that without this new program a student out there may detonate a "weapon of mass destruction" on all of us. So in January the FBI went after all our high school students when it issued its Preventing Violent Extremism In Schools Guidelines. Specifically, the FBI wants its spies to report any "statements or actions" which "cause concern." "Schools should focus on a student's behaviors and communications," such as supporting "domestic extremist movements," international terrorist organizations or hate crimes.

Within its category of "domestic terrorists," the FBI identifies several violent extremism movements, "including but not limited to animal rights and eco?terrorists, and anti?government or radical separatist groups." There it is again, "anti-government" speech, just like in the widely circulated FBI posters. The FBI puts such domestic groups right up there with ISIS and Al Qa'ida, as those who "decry western policies" or mistrust the government. Indeed, the FBI also identifies as needing watching teenagers with unacceptable "religious or cultural biases" after being raised in families outside the mainstream of society.

Now to keep a classmate from eventually using that ever useful propaganda tool known as a "weapon of mass destruction," what will your average non-lawyer teachers do when "anti-government" words come out of the mouth of a student who opposes an oil pipeline or wants to "save the whales"?  Call the FBI, of course.  Will they err on the side of safety or let youthful exuberance slide?

The core problem here is that "the FBI defines violent extremism as encouraging, condoning, justifying, or supporting the commission of a violent act to achieve political, ideological, religious, social or economic goals." But its premise is wrong that suspicious comments against government or vague or cryptic warnings that suggest or appear to endorse the use of violence in support of a cause are grounds to consider someone a potential terrorist. Remember Patrick Henry's Revolutionary War cry – "Give me liberty or give me death." If ever there was a statement endorsing violence, this is it, but he was a patriot. And I emphasize that the Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that government, and this includes the FBI, cannot "forbid or prescribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." Brandenburg v. Ohio  (1969). So reporting students for "encouraging, supporting or justifying" violence as a means to social goals is clearly illegal. In a classic case, this must lead to the investigation of students reading about or discussing revolution, Marxism, Communism or whatever failed doctrine is still out there, even the radical theories behind the American Revolution in 1776 or the French Revolution a few years later.

Writing for the Rutherford Institute, constitutional attorney John W. Whitehead has pointed out the conflict here with our own early history: "Try suggesting, as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin did, that Americans should not only take up arms but be prepared to shed blood in order to protect their liberties, and you might find yourself placed on a terrorist watch list and vulnerable to being rounded up by government agents," he notes. Declared Jefferson, "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." Observed Franklin, "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well?armed lamb contesting the vote!" So what if a well-read student suggests in class, as Thomas Paine, Marquis de Lafayette, and John Adams did, that Americans should, if necessary, defend themselves against the government if it violates their rights.  He or she may be labeled a domestic extremist for such "anti-government" sentiments.


Read more at http://www.thedailysheeple.com/all-our-children-are-now-fbi-terrorism-suspects_072016.


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29342  Other / Politics & Society / Due Process? on: July 11, 2016, 04:42:37 AM
Due Process?





The Dallas shootings have ushered in a very new world for US citizens. For the very first time, drones have been used on US soil to kill Americans without trial or charges. The suspected shooter in yesterday's tragic killings, US Army veteran Micah Xavier Johnson, was, according to police and press reports, holed up in a parking garage and would not give himself up. After hours of what police claimed were fruitless negotiations with Johnson, a weaponized robot was sent to where he was hiding and blown up, taking Johnson with it.

Get past the horror of what Johnson was accused of doing and think about that precedent for a moment. Is it not chilling?

RPI regular contributor Peter Van Buren, a retired State Department official who did a tour in Iraq, put a very fine point on the "robot" bomb:


Read more at http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-09/due-process-drone-was-used-blow-us-citizen-without-trial-week.


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29343  Other / Politics & Society / ChemTrails: The CIA & Weather Modification on: July 11, 2016, 04:37:50 AM
ChemTrails: The CIA & Weather Modification





In this episode Spiro is joined by James Corbett to discuss Geoengineering (ChemTrails). We cover multiple documented aspects of weather modification. This Video Will Challenge even the most skeptic people out there on this topic. We also talk about CIA Director John Brennan's recent speech before the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) promoting stratospheric aerosol injection (SAI), and a 2016 study on the health effects of stratospheric aerosols.


ChemTrails: The CIA & Weather Modification

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V8Wrt0Yo_4&feature=youtu.be



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29344  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: July 11, 2016, 04:30:42 AM
The basic theme of the Bible is salvation of the mortal soul. Science doesn't even have a clue that the soul exists. Other religions barely have the idea of salvation.

Science has the biggest holes of all.

Cool

The big difference is that bible holes stay holes forever. Science holes get filled in, albeit slowly.

Sometimes science unplugs a "placeholder" bible misplugged hole and puts is own plug in as correct replacement. For example when the young 6000 year old earth plug was replace with the correct 4.5 billion year old earth plug.

Thank God for science. (Not the bible god of course, who gets things wrong.)


Actually, it's the other way around. Science continually proves out the Bible when it touches on something that the Bible says.

The idea of a 13 billion old universe is a fictional thing that the science religion has dredged up. The 6,200 year old universe is historical record, recorded in the Bible.

Science keeps on trying to prove evolution. But all they have done so far is to prove that evolution doesn't exist. When they say it does, they prove that they are liars, or deceptive at best.

Cool

Nope, as explain in a previous thread, science cannot prove anything about anything. That's not how it works.
So your claim that science is trying to prove evolution is false. Not sure if you just don't understand science or being deliberately deceptive.


Now you are simply playing on words. However, if what you say is true, it gives the Bible eye witness record more credibility.

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I dont get all these argument's about religion here.
Bible is a book.
Books dont get written by a god's,they get written by humans.
So why do we think,that there is someone in the skies,who rules the whole universe? because some book actually tells us that?
Makes no sense to me,but well,im an atheist.

Makes absolute sense. Here's how.

Everything operates by cause and effect, which is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law. This means that everything has been programmed to operate the way it does. This means that when the Programmer, God, programmed the Bible to be written, He also programmed what the people who wrote it actually put into it. So, essentially, the Bible was written by God.

After all, try to show us something that happens spontaneously - anything - without something causing it to happen. There isn't anything. God programmed it all.

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29345  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: July 11, 2016, 04:25:07 AM
The first source you reference is Wikipedia, which anybody can get into the position to edit. IF you want to maintain an edit, then all you have to do is pay a bunch of editors around the clock to edit it back when someone else edits it.

Thanks, again, for helping to prove that 9/11 was an inside job.

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What you are is a guy that believes in a conspiracy theory that virtually nobody cares about or thinks about.

You get on the Internet, and find some links that tell you you are part of a tribe.  A tribe which it alone knows and crusades for the Truthy.  And then you set forth on a valiant and courageous journey to tell others The Important Truthy.

Unfortunately, your Truthiness does not make sense, let alone common sense.  So you have to deny common sources which refute you, such as Wikipedia. 

"Oh, they must have been PAID OFF!"

Deal with it.  You just don't have any facts on your side.  Frankly the 911 conspiracy theories are much worse than the "America didn't go to the Moon" nonsense. 

Of course you likely believe that too.

I am honored that you think that I am important enough to reply against. Since it is me that you are replying against, rather than that 9/11 was an inside job, you, again, help to prove that 9/11 was an inside job, by not being able to refute this fact.

Thanks, again.

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29346  Other / Politics & Society / Re: If Jesus could do miracle Pilate would never ever allowed his assassination... on: July 11, 2016, 04:18:35 AM
Jesus did magical tricks and illusions, not miracles.
I think exactly the same,that Jesus whas just a smart man who know what to say and when do it,making tricks  and illusions:
that was the reason the bible was created,everybody thought that he is really a son of god cause he can make impossible things... but in modern days nobody says that a magician is a child of god lol

No. This is not true. How can a mere magician cause such a stirring in the hearts and minds of people that Christianity is over a billion people after 2,000 years for it to be destroyed?

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you still use Roman letters...
I am not required to.


When a powerful structured empire decide to adopt a faith as its official religion everything changes. No divine acts necessary.
Empires decide nothing. People make decisions.


Stoicism is very close to most christan values...
Christian people have many values. Not all of them are the same. Not all of them are Christian all the time.

True Christian values are what the Bible teaches... God's love for fallen mankind, and His method of salvation for us. Obedience to commandments is a method that allows His salvation to work through the nations.


Understand the legal context at the time and you will see how this religion was perceived as necessary at the time of its implementation.

Yes, but it was first perceived as necessary by God. Then, God working through governmental people, has brought it to the world.

Almost every nation in the world has had the opportunity to accept it, now. There are only a few tribes left in the jungles, that have not had the chance to hear about it (Christianity) yet, because of their remoteness. Once they have received the opportunity, there will be nothing left that has to be fulfilled. Then the end will come.

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29347  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Hillary knew it was illegal to use private device, nsa advisor told her... on: July 10, 2016, 10:47:07 PM
Hitlery also knows that unless someone comes forward as the plaintiff or complainant in a case against her, get on the stand under oath or affirmation, shows how she hurt or damaged them, provides witnesses that have first hand knowledge, and evidence, she is safe. This is the same for any other man or woman in America, from parking tickets, to selling technical info to Russia or China.

Dread Pirate Roberts doesn't have to remain in prison, Snowden doesn't need to remain in Russia, and none of us need to pay income taxes. Why? Because nobody will get on the stand with first hand knowledge that they or we did anything harmful or dangerous to them, except that we agree with them first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10

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Okay are you a man? I am sure you can get a ticket from the cops today. Park your car wrongly, your bike or drink a beer in public. Do what ever it takes to get a ticket and prove your case. Test if your knowledge is real. Then come back and prove it. The IRS has been challenged by men thousand of time smarter than you and they all lost. So for me you seem like a lunatic if you don't prove what you advance. And please don't tell me that the hardest part is to get a ticket... I am sure you will not have the courage and trust in your theories to do it. And use the excuse that you don't need to prove it. Do it for yourself.

And frankly this email story is a sideshow and an illustration of her lack of respect for the NSA. You can hate them but please she was informed. The real question is who is gonna expose the clintons for what they are: a rapist and institutional looters and heads of a criminal entreprise:  the Clinton foundation. It does horrible things worldwide that damage the USA deeply. And if you need to know one victim of them. It's me. Very sadden to know that the nation that put a man on the moon became a gmo eating ready to vote for Clinton (or trump the friend of Epstein) nation. It's hard to recouncile for my little mind.

If I came back here with the evidence, you wouldn't believe me anyway.

Exposing the Clintons is the exact point. Exposing them has already been done. Making it stick as a crime is heresay until someone gets on the stand and testifies from first hand knowledge that they were harmed by it.

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29348  Other / Off-topic / Re: Would like some help/advice. Future Leukemia patient here. on: July 10, 2016, 10:26:58 PM
http://www.naturalnews.com/

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29349  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Hillary knew it was illegal to use private device, nsa advisor told her... on: July 10, 2016, 10:22:41 PM
Hitlery also knows that unless someone comes forward as the plaintiff or complainant in a case against her, get on the stand under oath or affirmation, shows how she hurt or damaged them, provides witnesses that have first hand knowledge, and evidence, she is safe. This is the same for any other man or woman in America, from parking tickets, to selling technical info to Russia or China.

Dread Pirate Roberts doesn't have to remain in prison, Snowden doesn't need to remain in Russia, and none of us need to pay income taxes. Why? Because nobody will get on the stand with first hand knowledge that they or we did anything harmful or dangerous to them, except that we agree with them first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twn96nj0jfw&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D&index=10

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29350  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: July 10, 2016, 10:12:54 PM
There's so much proof out there that 9/11 was an inside job
It's almost irrefutable.


It's kinda the other way around. There is hardly evidence out there that it could NOT have been an inside job.

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29351  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: July 10, 2016, 10:11:27 PM
....
Oh, why to even look at your blabber. There are tons of evidence articles that show how badly the official report is flawed. The only way 9/11 could have been done as it was, is if it was an inside job all the way.

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Bah.

You haven't showed one single piece of evidence that wasn't a laughable bit of a half crazed conspiracy theory.  Not one, dude.

Your ideas don't even pass eighth grade physics and math tests.

But that just makes you believe all the more doesn't it?

You haven't even refuted one piece of evidence that is all over the Net, that 9/11 was an inside job. Why should I post it all here? Anybody who is interested can do the searches.

Thanks for helping to prove that 9/11 was an inside job.

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Here, let me help you out.  I've highlighted the part above that you repeat over and over.

This is a bald faced example of "repeat the lie over and over, someone might believe it."

Naive, gullible propagators of propaganda.

For whom the truth is not relevant. 

Anybody who is interested can do the searches, can't they?

Let's start with Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theories

Oh wait, are they part of your conspiracy too?  Must be.  Are they paid off by the Evil Forces?

Hey, thanks Spendy. The first source you reference is Wikipedia, which anybody can get into the position to edit. IF you want to maintain an edit, then all you have to do is pay a bunch of editors around the clock to edit it back when someone else edits it.

Thanks, again, for helping to prove that 9/11 was an inside job.

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29352  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: July 10, 2016, 10:08:26 PM
The basic theme of the Bible is salvation of the mortal soul. Science doesn't even have a clue that the soul exists. Other religions barely have the idea of salvation.

Science has the biggest holes of all.

Cool

The big difference is that bible holes stay holes forever. Science holes get filled in, albeit slowly.

Sometimes science unplugs a "placeholder" bible misplugged hole and puts is own plug in as correct replacement. For example when the young 6000 year old earth plug was replace with the correct 4.5 billion year old earth plug.

Thank God for science. (Not the bible god of course, who gets things wrong.)


Actually, it's the other way around. Science continually proves out the Bible when it touches on something that the Bible says.

The idea of a 13 billion old universe is a fictional thing that the science religion has dredged up. The 6,200 year old universe is historical record, recorded in the Bible.

Science keeps on trying to prove evolution. But all they have done so far is to prove that evolution doesn't exist. When they say it does, they prove that they are liars, or deceptive at best.

Cool

Nope, as explain in a previous thread, science cannot prove anything about anything. That's not how it works.
So your claim that science is trying to prove evolution is false. Not sure if you just don't understand science or being deliberately deceptive.


Now you are simply playing on words. However, if what you say is true, it gives the Bible eye witness record more credibility.

Cool
29353  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How old is earth on: July 10, 2016, 10:06:55 PM
How old do you think Earth is? Why?

Consensus among scientists from different fields of studies says that the age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years.
But it's not that I "think", you cannot "guess" the age of the world. You need evidence. it's the result of measures done by hundreds of scientists, with hundreds of experiments. And they are all consistent with each other (minus the margin of error stated before).

The scientific model is based on the idea that certain things in the universe have been going on throughout all time, similarly as they are going on today. Take carbon dating, for example.

Carbon dating is based on the idea that the C-14 content on earth, in the atmosphere, has been relatively the same for at least hundreds of thousands of years. But nobody knows that this is the fact. If the amount of C-14 forming, has been increasing very slowly over the years - so slowly that nobody could see or measure the increase -  there is the potential that there was little to no C-14 back beyond 5,000 years ago. This would mean that carbon dating numbers are extremely far off... by as much as millions or billions of years. And this kind of mistaken thinking is the same kind that permeates virtually all of the scientific thinking on the dating subject.

The furthest science can go back with any accuracy at all is about 4,500 years. And even this is shaky. It is based on dating pottery and buildings from the distant past. Comparing the writings of ancient peoples and nations from beyond 3,000 years ago shows discrepancies in the writings that indicate that we don't know how to read dead languages correctly, or else the people of those days wrote historical fiction like we write science fiction today.

On the other hand, Moses lived and wrote 3,500 to 3,600 years ago. He had been a prince of Egypt, with access to whatever writings this great nation had back then. We can trust his writings because of the stubbornness of ancient Israel. This stubbornness is born out in the writings of the scribes of Israel. Bible books from the Dead Sea scrolls of over 2,000 years ago, are essentially the same as they are in our modern Bibles.

This means that we can place faith in the things that Moses wrote for us in the first 5 books of the Bible, way more than we can place faith in the writings of today's scientists. In fact, today's scientists tell us right in their writings that they are actually guessing as to the age of things.

The point is, the earth and universe are less than 7,000 years old, and probably only 6,200 years old. See http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm for how this is calculated out in the Bible. If the universe is much older than 6,200 years, the age cannot be calculated, because time and the space-time continuum operated differently before that time.

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You are saying like carbon is the only dating technique. There are many kinds of dating techniques available.  Like Potasium argon dating that can be use to date up to billions of years.

Depends. If potassium argon provides strong evidence parts of the bible are complete nonsense it must then be completely disregarded, no questions asked. On the other hand if potassium argon backed up the bible it would regarded as a gift from god and 100% correct.

The young earthling lot are a strange bunch.



All of these kinds of dating concepts have the same flaw. You have to know what things were like in the past to date them. And the only way you can know is to go back in time, or to find some ancient scientifically advanced race that kept scientific records like we do.

The farthest we can go back with any kind of certainty at all is about 4,500 years. Why. Because that is when the Great Flood covered the earth. Things were different before that time. At best, we simply don't know.

Cool

As mentioned earlier, heat dissipation is the biggest thorn in your side anyway so arguing the accuracy of dating methods doesn't help your cause.

I don't know too much about the great flood. Wasn't that myth debunked years ago?



When you don't know the amount of heat in the first place, heat dissipation doesn't have any meaning. When you are unaware of the various kinds of heat sinks that may have existed in the past, there is no way to tell about heat dissipation. However, one thing is certain. Entropy.

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The evidence that the earth has been bombarded with meteors in the past is simply too great to pretend they didn't happen. Mathematicians can quite accurately calculate the heat output from a given size and speed of meteor smashing into earth.
A few of the bigger ones would of literally boiled off the earths oceans.

That unthinkable amount of heat would take hundreds of thousands of years to dissipate.


Nobody is saying that meteors don't happen. But you are not taking into account the electric cosmos, the water that used to protect the earth, and the fact that most of the water of the upper atmosphere of the past boiled off the heat.

There are lots of things to be considered. Science often looks at them point by point rather than considering the whole.

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29354  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: July 10, 2016, 09:25:24 PM
....
Oh, why to even look at your blabber. There are tons of evidence articles that show how badly the official report is flawed. The only way 9/11 could have been done as it was, is if it was an inside job all the way.

Cool
Bah.

You haven't showed one single piece of evidence that wasn't a laughable bit of a half crazed conspiracy theory.  Not one, dude.

Your ideas don't even pass eighth grade physics and math tests.

But that just makes you believe all the more doesn't it?

You haven't even refuted one piece of evidence that is all over the Net, that 9/11 was an inside job. Why should I post it all here? Anybody who is interested can do the searches.

Thanks for helping to prove that 9/11 was an inside job.

Cool
29355  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: July 10, 2016, 09:22:37 PM
The basic theme of the Bible is salvation of the mortal soul. Science doesn't even have a clue that the soul exists. Other religions barely have the idea of salvation.

Science has the biggest holes of all.

Cool

The big difference is that bible holes stay holes forever. Science holes get filled in, albeit slowly.

Sometimes science unplugs a "placeholder" bible misplugged hole and puts is own plug in as correct replacement. For example when the young 6000 year old earth plug was replace with the correct 4.5 billion year old earth plug.

Thank God for science. (Not the bible god of course, who gets things wrong.)


Actually, it's the other way around. Science continually proves out the Bible when it touches on something that the Bible says.

The idea of a 13 billion old universe is a fictional thing that the science religion has dredged up. The 6,200 year old universe is historical record, recorded in the Bible.

Science keeps on trying to prove evolution. But all they have done so far is to prove that evolution doesn't exist. When they say it does, they prove that they are liars, or deceptive at best.

Cool
29356  Other / Politics & Society / Re: On the meaning of life and the long-term merits of technologic improvement on: July 10, 2016, 09:18:02 PM
Therefore, God gave us also nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.

Perhaps He did. I don't know.

He gave us the ability to make technical advancements. He also maintained much of the freedom for us that He always had for us. We made the nuclear, biological and chemical weapons.

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Of course, we made the nasty things, but he made the good ones... the usual "peculiar" logic...

Actually, it seems it was the serpent that gave us the ability to develop technology (at least, that is what the "good book" says: the story of the tree of knowledge and the talking snake...) and we were expelled from paradise because of that.



It was a contractual thing. God gave us freedom in the Garden. We made a deal with the serpent. Of course, the serpent couldn't fulfill his part of the deal. But as long as we don't know that...

The second thing was that God had said that the day that we eat of the fruit, we will die. God in mercy commuted the sentence to a lot longer, because in the form of God and man, Jesus came. Jesus didn't sin, thereby upholding the length of days to the new amounts He gives us.

Jesus was a trust Person in the Garden. God trusted that this new form - the God/man - would uphold godliness when He came. And Jesus did it. So, the authority was given to Jesus, and Jesus commuted the sentence.

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29357  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How old is earth on: July 10, 2016, 09:05:56 PM
How old do you think Earth is? Why?

Consensus among scientists from different fields of studies says that the age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years.
But it's not that I "think", you cannot "guess" the age of the world. You need evidence. it's the result of measures done by hundreds of scientists, with hundreds of experiments. And they are all consistent with each other (minus the margin of error stated before).

The scientific model is based on the idea that certain things in the universe have been going on throughout all time, similarly as they are going on today. Take carbon dating, for example.

Carbon dating is based on the idea that the C-14 content on earth, in the atmosphere, has been relatively the same for at least hundreds of thousands of years. But nobody knows that this is the fact. If the amount of C-14 forming, has been increasing very slowly over the years - so slowly that nobody could see or measure the increase -  there is the potential that there was little to no C-14 back beyond 5,000 years ago. This would mean that carbon dating numbers are extremely far off... by as much as millions or billions of years. And this kind of mistaken thinking is the same kind that permeates virtually all of the scientific thinking on the dating subject.

The furthest science can go back with any accuracy at all is about 4,500 years. And even this is shaky. It is based on dating pottery and buildings from the distant past. Comparing the writings of ancient peoples and nations from beyond 3,000 years ago shows discrepancies in the writings that indicate that we don't know how to read dead languages correctly, or else the people of those days wrote historical fiction like we write science fiction today.

On the other hand, Moses lived and wrote 3,500 to 3,600 years ago. He had been a prince of Egypt, with access to whatever writings this great nation had back then. We can trust his writings because of the stubbornness of ancient Israel. This stubbornness is born out in the writings of the scribes of Israel. Bible books from the Dead Sea scrolls of over 2,000 years ago, are essentially the same as they are in our modern Bibles.

This means that we can place faith in the things that Moses wrote for us in the first 5 books of the Bible, way more than we can place faith in the writings of today's scientists. In fact, today's scientists tell us right in their writings that they are actually guessing as to the age of things.

The point is, the earth and universe are less than 7,000 years old, and probably only 6,200 years old. See http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm for how this is calculated out in the Bible. If the universe is much older than 6,200 years, the age cannot be calculated, because time and the space-time continuum operated differently before that time.

Cool

You are saying like carbon is the only dating technique. There are many kinds of dating techniques available.  Like Potasium argon dating that can be use to date up to billions of years.

Depends. If potassium argon provides strong evidence parts of the bible are complete nonsense it must then be completely disregarded, no questions asked. On the other hand if potassium argon backed up the bible it would regarded as a gift from god and 100% correct.

The young earthling lot are a strange bunch.



All of these kinds of dating concepts have the same flaw. You have to know what things were like in the past to date them. And the only way you can know is to go back in time, or to find some ancient scientifically advanced race that kept scientific records like we do.

The farthest we can go back with any kind of certainty at all is about 4,500 years. Why. Because that is when the Great Flood covered the earth. Things were different before that time. At best, we simply don't know.

Cool

As mentioned earlier, heat dissipation is the biggest thorn in your side anyway so arguing the accuracy of dating methods doesn't help your cause.

I don't know too much about the great flood. Wasn't that myth debunked years ago?



When you don't know the amount of heat in the first place, heat dissipation doesn't have any meaning. When you are unaware of the various kinds of heat sinks that may have existed in the past, there is no way to tell about heat dissipation. However, one thing is certain. Entropy.

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29358  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: July 10, 2016, 09:02:28 PM
Sounds like you're banging your head against a wall. Considering Christian mythology has more holes than a colander, that's understandable.  Cheesy



But a lot few holes than anything else that is available.    Cool

Oh, so your admitting the bible has holes now? I thought the "word of God" was the perfect infallible book? Care to share with us what holes your admitting to? There’s *plenty* of choice.


Bible holes have to do with lack of explanation about every blade of grass. In addition, only a few people are listed by name... compared with all the people who have lived. But that is not what the Bible is for.

The basic theme of the Bible is salvation of the mortal soul. Science doesn't even have a clue that the soul exists. Other religions barely have the idea of salvation.

Science has the biggest holes of all.

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29359  Other / Politics & Society / TIME Suggests Another 9/11 Is Necessary to Re-direct American Anger on: July 10, 2016, 08:58:44 PM
TIME Suggests Another 9/11 Is Necessary
to Re-direct American Anger






"For once let's have no fatuous rhetoric about 'healing.' A day cannot live in infamy without the nourishment of rage. Let's have rage. What's needed is a unified, unifying, Pearl Harbor sort of purple American fury—a ruthless indignation that doesn't leak away in a week or two…"  – TIME

As we can see from the above statement, Jeff Kluger has in mind another convulsive episode like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 that will unify the "anger" that Americans feel.

Kluger seems to imply that this anger is stemming from current elections. His concern is that it is spilling over into other areas of life.

If every offensive, unjust or insulting incident turns into a jolt of high-fructose fury mainlined straight to the brain's amygdala, what's left when there's a truly right and righteous reason to rise up in anger? And those important moments do occur.

Kluger seems to be saying that anger has become fashionable and applying anger liberally trivializes it.


Read more at http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/time-suggests-another-911-is-necessary-to-re-direct-american-anger/.


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29360  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why I'm an atheist on: July 10, 2016, 08:51:33 PM
Sounds like you're banging your head against a wall. Considering Christian mythology has more holes than a colander, that's understandable.  Cheesy



But a lot few holes than anything else that is available.    Cool
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