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2941  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Linking fees to fiat? on: November 27, 2017, 11:20:59 PM
The question which fiat currency to use could probably be solved by using a composite of the most widely used fiat currencies. In the end I still see 2 challenges:

1) Defining a reliable exchange rate source. So far Bitcoin is pretty much self contained without relying on external information sources. Not even timestamps are fully trusted.

2) This still wouldn't prevent a fee market from emerging. Someone will always be willing to pay a premium to get first in line, regardless of whether you calculate the price in fiat or BTC terms. As a result the fees will still increase according to network load factor.


It's better to use Bitcoin imho. All Fiat currencies are unstable, and it would be difficult to know which one to choose.

/thread Grin
2942  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Newly Generated Wallet has Bitcoin in balalnce on: November 27, 2017, 11:03:00 PM
There should be a rule that says that unless your discovery of a newly generated address with coins on it happened in Bitcoin Core then chances are your software is shit and there's something wrong with the code.

Everyone that has been using the native client since day 1 has never had one of these so called collisions. It just hasn't happened. You have more chances of getting hit by an asteroid tomorrow during your commute to your job than you'll ever have chances to get a legitimate collision, literally speaking.

Well, sometimes it does go deeper than your own code:

https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2013-08-11-android

Either way, if a user comes across such a "collision" they should definitely report it -- albeit rather by contacting the devs directly instead of posting on a public forum.

Also I will now blame you for my newfound phobia of rocks falling from the sky.

Look, there is the android RNG problem you mention, there was a similar one that enabled the Sony playstation hack, there are others. A dysfunction random number gen is a direct enabler of back door entry and of password decryption.

In practice there isn't any difference between active insertion of defective RNG and accidental actions as the end result is the same, an insecure system capable of being successfully attacked.

An address with funds in it on loading a wallet is glaring evidence of the existence of a problem with the wallet, but not of the cryptographic system.

Ah, sorry, I guess that came out wrong.

I merely wanted to point out that sometimes the error lies beyond the scope of the application developer, ie. your software can still fall victim to a vulnerability without your code being shit. In either case it should be reported because best case the application has a problem, worst case its the platform's -- or the used crypto library's -- fault.

I didn't mean to imply that Bitcoin's keyspace is even remotely small enough for a collision to occur.

2943  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitfinex - FRAUD, price manipulation, fake transactions on: November 27, 2017, 09:27:47 PM
Is there anything like EUROT?

Or is it just a matter of time till it comes about? [...]

I've seen NZDT (New Zealand Dollar Token) based on the WAVES platform being used / issued by cryptopia.co.nz, but that seems to be only exchange supporting this token -- well, apart from the WAVES trading platform itself, I suppose.

EURT may just be a matter of time, but so far I don't see any likely issuers. The only exchanges that I can think of right now that support EUR trading are linked to the traditional banking anyways, fairly transparent and fully AML / KYC compliant -- which makes issuing something like EURT an unnecessary evil.


[...]

It's easy to forget how big USDT is with alts. There might be more of an effect on them, but nothing would get out of it unscathed.

Indeed, I also think that alts will get hit harder by a possible USDT collapse than BTC. Most alts are traded on exchanges that can be only reached via BTC or USDT in the first place.
2944  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Retrieving BCC from Blockchain/Bulldozer on: November 27, 2017, 08:46:27 PM
Hi, I have a Ledger NanoS, I sent some BCC to my BTC address on my wallet, from the Binance trading platform, but it never arrived.  I have traced it to the Bulldozer Blockchain, does anyone know how I can retrieve these coins?

Always double check whether you are sending to a BCH address or a BTC address. Never send Bitcoin Cash to a BTC address. Never send Bitcoin to a BCH address.

You are lucky you sent it to an address that you have the private key for. If this had happened with an exchange your coins would have been effectively lost.

According to Ledger's support page, you should be able to simply log into your BCH wallet and access your BCH there:

https://ledger.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/115003836734-How-to-recover-BCH-sent-on-a-BTC-address

Unless you sent it to a SegWit address (starting with "3") in which case -- sorry for your loss.


I have no idea what you are talking about with "Bulldozer blockchain".

I think OP is referring to Blockdozer, which is a Bitcoin Cash blockchain explorer.
2945  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: 10 minutes blockchain vs difficulty level on: November 27, 2017, 08:36:57 PM
1).  As I understand it, the 10 minutes delay is to create a new block that there's enough/ sufficient time to fill and confirm the transactions (globally).  But isn't it quite wasteful to keep adjusting the difficulty level to maintain the 10 minutes delay ?  What is so special about the 10 minutes delay?  Has there been any study to quantify more accurately the amount of time to reach the nodes globally ?

You're not going to get the network any more energy efficient -- ie. higher transaction throughput for less electricity spent -- by simply decreasing the block interval. Apart from the orphan / propagation problem that aleksej already mentioned, this would also cause the blockchain to grow faster than is likely sustainable for healthy node decentralization.


2). Let say if we don't have to worry about the trust issue,  in theory we only need one, or perhaps two confirmations right ?  So for the remaining 51% confirmations is essentially to ensure that there's  no cheating could happen.  I got that so far...

Yes. In practice you can very well accept small transactions with just one confirmation. If it weren't for a full mempool, even zero confirmations would be fine for some cases.


3). But what if we could accomplish item#1 and #2 in 5 minutes, 3 minutes or even 30 seconds - shouldn't that be a good thing ?  Why make it more difficult, delay until 10 minutes and empowering expensive equipment ? That seems to feed into the endless cycles of who's got bigger and faster mining capability?  Understand that it seems to justify the rise in bitcoin price...

Hashrate will always be a reflection of Bitcoin's price and the size of its block rewards / transaction fees. As long as its profitable to squeeze some more miners in, that's exactly what's going to happen. Block intervals have little to do with mining profitability and reducing block intervals would not cause a decrease in hashrate.

All things equal, the only way to reduce electricity spent on Bitcoin is by reducing the block reward. Which is exactly what is happening every ~4 years. It's just that Bitcoin's price and thus mining profitability has always managed to keep up with the decline of mining profitability caused by the halvings -- and then some.


4). What about making the 51st % node (with the longest chain) to be a lucky lottery winner and avoid increasing the difficulty level and eliminate  the need for fancy equipment and energy burning all together -wouldn't that be more fair and efficient ways to utilize energy and resources ? At the same time avoiding the centralization of miners all together ??

I don't understand what you are trying to suggest. What, according to your definition, would be the 51st % node? Every node follows the longest chain. Every miner that creates a new block by definition has prolonged the longest chain and thus created the longest chain.
2946  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitfinex - FRAUD, price manipulation, fake transactions on: November 27, 2017, 07:51:38 PM
Tether has added 50M USDT tokens in the past 24 hours!    Grin Grin Grin

http://omnichest.info/lookupadd.aspx?address=3MbYQMMmSkC3AgWkj9FMo5LsPTW1zBTwXL&


They  print shitloads. Then they will short bitcoin to hell or some kind of ‘hack’ will take place.  Roll Eyes

The price of BTC will usually increase within 5-6 hours of the Tether being printed. The Bitfinex pumping is doing a huge bubble and the sheep are passive as usual Smiley

Bitfinex = Tether = criminals

I still think that USDT / Bitfinex is only partially responsible for Bitcoin's growth this year. The market was ready for Bitcoin's re-awakening and that's how we got here.

Still, it does indeed look like USDT is heading for an iceberg. Question being whether Bitcoin is on the same ship or if Bitfinex is going to be the only casualty.
2947  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Newly Generated Wallet has Bitcoin in balalnce on: November 27, 2017, 07:10:35 PM
There should be a rule that says that unless your discovery of a newly generated address with coins on it happened in Bitcoin Core then chances are your software is shit and there's something wrong with the code.

Everyone that has been using the native client since day 1 has never had one of these so called collisions. It just hasn't happened. You have more chances of getting hit by an asteroid tomorrow during your commute to your job than you'll ever have chances to get a legitimate collision, literally speaking.

Well, sometimes it does go deeper than your own code:

https://bitcoin.org/en/alert/2013-08-11-android

Either way, if a user comes across such a "collision" they should definitely report it -- albeit rather by contacting the devs directly instead of posting on a public forum.

Also I will now blame you for my newfound phobia of rocks falling from the sky.
2948  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does Bitcoin need to be taxed? on: November 27, 2017, 02:11:28 PM
Base from my recent post "Does bitcoin could be call a job?" I have read your opinions regarding to that. Doing these things is a form of earning money basically we have income. So does it need to be taxed? Because this is also a source of income, and we might call it as a job? 

Depends on (a) your local government and (b) the amount and type of income.

In some countries, under certain circumstances, there's no tax on capital gains on Bitcoin. However if you accept bitcoins as a form of payment, depending on the amount, you very likely will have to file it as part of your tax report.
2949  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some new forks coming up for bitcoin??? on: November 26, 2017, 09:09:04 PM
The prospective proliferation of hard forks may be why Bitcoin Diamond is offering 210 million tokens, so you will be airdropped ten times the amount of bitcoin you have, if any.

Holy shit, are you serious? That's friggin' hilarious. Given the crypto community's awareness of money supply in and its importance I can't imagine anyone falling for that. Then again greed and dumbness never cease to disappoint.


[...]

Eventually, competitive forces will do their work and the field will be left with a variety of surviving Bitcoins, each working their niche in a useful way.

[...]

I agree that competitive force will do their work. I doubt that many Bitcoins will survive. I'm sure that even less of the surviving Bitcoins will be actually useful.
2950  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happens when the last bitcoin is mined? on: November 26, 2017, 08:40:05 PM
When the last BTC is mined around 2140, what happens to the whole ecosystem? I mean, there won't be anymore incentives for the miners to verify and confirm transactions, right? The only reason miners confirm the transactions in the whole BTC ecosystem is to be rewarded with more BTC. No more BTC reward, no confirmations. Thoughts?

The incentive will come in form of transaction fees.

Right now the block reward is the lion share of mining profits. Within 3-4 halvings however, you can expect transaction fees becoming the main mining income. This also leads to contentious hardforks such as we see today to become harder and harder to pull off, because in the end actual transaction throughput will define which chain is the most profitable to mine.


You can search PoS(Proof of Stake) for answer that you're looking for.

[...]

Proof of stake is a wholly different approach and has nothing to do with BTC.
2951  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Some new forks coming up for bitcoin??? on: November 26, 2017, 07:23:09 PM

Hi Folks,
Just received this email from QoinPro. Not sure, whether this is official, but isn't it strange that there are so many forks now coming up for Bitcoin. Is this the reason for the bullish ride today of Bitcoin?

Here the message in quotations:
"We've had BCH (Bitcoin Cash), BTG (Bitcoin Gold) and BCD (Bitcoin Diamond) and more forks are coming. Forks planned for December 2017 and January 2018 are:
•   Dec 17, 2017 - Super Bitcoin (#SBTC)
•   Jan 2, 2018 - Bitcoin Cash Plus (#BCP)
•   Jan 28, 2018 0 B2X reattempt by the community (#B2X)"

I don't think any of these forks have much influence on the current BTC price since I honestly doubt that anyone really cares about these forks anymore.

Also the amount of forks we are seeing isn't all that strange. After all anyone can do a hardfork, and there seems to be profits to be made for the devs of each fork.
2952  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: @ 2 Newbie Questions on: November 26, 2017, 06:16:15 PM
OK, changing complexity based on available hashing power makes sense ... but gives me a couple of other questions

It seems like the number of transactions and miner compensation would also effect the coin creation rate

I haven't studied the compensation system yet, so some of this may be erroneous.

If i understand correctly the only way bitcoins are created is as compensation for miners completing the verification. Is that correct?
If some one wants to just buy a bit coin they have to buy from an existing owner?

Verifying a transaction takes a number of independent verifications correct?  3 or 6 or some thing like that?

How much compensation is paid? Is it a flat fee per transaction verification or does it depend of the value of the transaction?

This creates an increasing cascade of coin creation. If one transaction creates compensation for 6 miners (or pools) then that creates 6 more transactions to verify each of which creates more compensation.

Without the cascade, coin creation would be dependent on transactions (not just hashing power) for new coin creation. If no one created transactions no new coins would be created.

... This can't be right ... I must have this wrong.


On average, every 10 minutes a limited amount of transactions get consolidated into a block. Each block into which a transaction is included, equals 1 confirmation. Miners get compensated by (1) a fixed block reward and (2) transaction fees. Neither has anything to do with the amount of confirmations that are needed to be sufficiently confident about a transaction's validity.

New coins are only issued in accordance to the block reward per block. The transaction fees that are paid, are already part of the money supply. Once all coins have been issued and no block reward is released, miners will only be compensated by transaction fees.


For details regarding block rewards, see here:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Controlled_supply


Regarding transaction fees, see here:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_fees


Regarding the relevance of confirmations to prevent double-spend attacks, see here:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Confirmation

2953  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: HODL: You have to wait 30 years for your money on: November 26, 2017, 04:04:34 PM
The cryptocurrency market is speculative. Pretty much everyone who dabbles in it is aware that it could boom or crash without warning. People like advocating HODLing, but I'm sure they still acknowledge that there is risk involved.

That being said, there have been plenty of price drops in the past, and I've usually never had to wait more than a month for the price to bounce back. If you're that worried, maybe you shouldn't be involved in cryptocurrencies. Time to sell, bud. If you even have any. Smiley

The most important takeaway here.

If you invest in something -- be it stocks, commodities or cryptocurrencies -- only use an amount that you are comfortable with having invested for a prolonged timeframe. With everything else just stay in cash. Simple as that.
2954  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Newly Generated Wallet has Bitcoin in balalnce on: November 26, 2017, 12:41:15 PM
Can you post the address... and a signed message from that address proving that you actually have ownership of it?

The odds of this being real are pretty small... if true, congrats, you just "broke" BTC Tongue

I think OP might have come across a broken wallet implementation.

OP, have you gotten in touch with the devs of NBitcoin? If not, now would be the time. It seems like they got a serious bug in the way they generate their private keys.
2955  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: @ 2 Newbie Questions on: November 26, 2017, 12:34:05 PM
if hashing power decreases, lets say miners goes and mines bitcoin cash instead of bitcoin if mining bitcoin cash becomes more profitable for them.,
so will difficulty decreases ? or will stall at current level ?

who decides this difficulty ?
consensus ?

thanks

Bitcoin's mining difficulty is decided by the protocol based on the average block time of the last 2016 blocks, which equals 2 weeks assuming an average block time of 10 minutes.

If hashrate decreases, average block time increases, which leads to the protocol lowering difficulty once the difficulty period has completed.

If hashrate increases, average block time decreases, which leads to the protocol heightening difficulty once the difficulty period has completed.

For a more detailed explanation on how difficulty is determined, see here:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Difficulty


Note that Bitcoin Cash has a different difficulty adjustment algorithm than Bitcoin.
2956  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Will Blockchain Evolve Over The Next 5 Years ? on: November 26, 2017, 12:00:55 PM
Blockchains, if not attached to a decentralized token, don't interest me, and I don't see how they can interest anyone in this forum to be honest. Without a cryptocurrency, blockchains become MySQL databases.

Well, a distributed database, but a simple database all the same.

The main issue is that without any form of token there's little incentive for the participating parties to stay honest. And if you don't worry about whether the participating parties stay honest, why use a blockchain in the first place?


Im interested in seeing improvements on the current damocle's sword of Bitcoin: PoW.

Thus far, all other alternatives have fallen short. PoS and so on don't cut it. Ideas like the tangle with IOTA and Byteball with DAG are good ideas but not really a replacement for PoW.

Agreed. A viable alternative to PoW would be a game changer, but it doesn't seem like we're quite there yet. IOTA's tangle is basically a DAG, both IOTA and Byetball suffer from the fact that they as of now still require central entities to protect their networks from attacks.


Right now, blockchain technology is not very useful and practical for most applications. If we focus focus on Bitcoin’s best and worst features we can predict how it will evolve for the further years. Currently the Bitcoin blockchain takes several minutes to confirm a single transaction. Compare this to your transactions on your mobile phone using, say, ApplePay transactions are nearly instantaneous. So any application requiring high volume and quick confirmation times is not a great application to be put on the Bitcoin blockchain for the near future. Whether this will change within 5 years is a guess.

Depending on the state of the mempool, instantaneous 0-conf transactions are viable for small transactions even today.
2957  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC: $10K, $20K, $50K, $100K - when ? on: November 26, 2017, 11:23:31 AM
USD 10k,- => 2017/2018 (we're more or less there already)
USD 20k,- => 2019
USD 50k,-  => 2022 (imho we need at least one halving to reach this level)
USD 100k,- => 2035 (imho we can only reach USD 100k,- based on inflation and loss of purchasing power, not by BTC's merits alone)


My personal predictions are :
$10K = around New Year 2018
$20K = around New Year 2019
$50K = sometime in 2020
$100K = around 2023-2025

your prediction is like this:
end of 2017 = 9-10x rise
end of 2018 = 2x rise
end of 2019 = 2.5x rise
end of 2025 (6 years) = 2x or 0.33x per year!

so what is up with that? can you explain a little about how you cam up with this kind of very uneven and wild swingy-rise for the coming years? because that is not natural. there is always some kind of exponential rise where it slows down but not like this to be wild then suddenly drop a lot then cease to rise for years (in 2021-2025)

Bitcoin's growth from 2009 to 2016 has also been rather swingy and unpredictable from year to year. A wild rise with a sudden drop and lots of sideways action is exactly what happened from 2013 to 2016.
2958  Economy / Speculation / Re: How Do You Know When To Buy Bitcoins? on: November 26, 2017, 11:08:15 AM
Since you're in it for the long run, don't bother timing the market. Just make sure that you are actually aware of what you are getting yourself into, know how to keep your coins safe and don't invest more than you can afford to lose.

If BTC's volatility is a concern, you could try dollar cost averaging your way in. It may reduce your long term profits, but it can also work as a hedge against sudden market turndowns. Search for something like "dollar cost averaging vs lump sum investing" and you should get a rough idea about the up and downsides of both approaches. Most articles you'll find on that matter will be about traditional stocks, but for the most part it can be applied to cryptocurrencies as well.


what i mean is right now Bitcoin looking so damn good,right now we're waiting for an announcement from CME group's(maybe).
and waiting for their promise we keep breaking another all new highs,

 I did not know about "CME Groups". How/where do you suggest me to follow their announcements? I just found their News and Press Releases page.

I wouldn't bother too much with keeping an eye on CME's announcement. It's influence on the BTC market is hard to predict, may go both ways and once the market has reacted it may be already too late to change position.
2959  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you think Bitcoin will reach to $100K in the future? on: November 26, 2017, 10:51:28 AM
Right now it's around $9100. It's increasing super fast. So what is gonna happen in 2-3 years ?

I guess the main question is how long this bull market can keep going until reversal kicks in and we're facing a new bear market.

It sounds crazy, but despite the amazing increase in price BTC's growth has been surprisingly sane and stable. I honestly don't see the BTC train stopping anytime soon, yet I know there must be some major correction further down the road. It's both scary and amazing.


So what's going to happen? I currently see 3 possible scenarios:

1) We reach USD 10k,-. Everybody's happy and goes home, crypto enters a bear market until we see a new rush in 3-4 years.

2) We reach USD 10k,-. BTC goes batshit insane, hits something like USD 30k,- only to spectacularly crash down to... USD 10k,-.

3) BTC keeps its growth level up because everybody that wanted to dump already took their profits and the remaining sellers sell only so little amounts that they get absorbed by the market more or less immediately.
2960  Other / Off-topic / Re: How did you start in CRYPTO WOLRD on: November 26, 2017, 10:18:52 AM
1) Don't leave your coins on an exchange.

2) Don't leave your coins on an exchange.

3) Most secure and convenient way: Buy a hardware wallet such as the Ledger or Trezor -- preferably directly from the producer's website.

4) Equally secure but slightly less convenient: Learn how to create a paper wallet or how to setup up cold storage using an air gapped device

5) Only as secure as your online device, so basically not at all: Desktop wallets such as Bitcoin Core, Electrum. Mobile wallets such as Mycelium. Web wallets such as Blockchain.info. I would not, under any circumstance, hold more than spare change on a device that is connected to the internet.

6) Don't leave your coins on an exchange.
How secure is MyEtherWallet compared to the ones you listed above?

Depends on how you use it.

You can use MyEtherWallet in conjunction with hardware wallets, in which case it's as secure as it can get. By default MyEtherWallet works as a web wallet, in which case it's as safe -- or unsafe -- as any other wallet that is stored on an online device.


how to store coins? sorry im new thank u

See above.
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