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2961  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: February 02, 2012, 02:07:56 AM
Holy balls, price explosion today.  This is what happens when you mine and hold guys!  Grin
2962  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: On the Solidcoin Economic Changes on: January 30, 2012, 04:34:45 PM
This could be a revival of SC.If so I'd look forward to it so I can have a go at trading other P2P currencies (SC) as well as BTC as it seems there's a lot more profit for me to be had by trading multiple currencies.I do wish that SC can help me setup shop like BTC did so I can trade between currencies without issue.

Lets see how SCs changes work out in the mid term.

It will be the death of SC2.  As soon as the currency is worth something it will be shredded by more talented programmers who can find security holes in the trusted node system, or by a simpler sybil attack.

The reason all my money is in LTC is because the system is proven robust as it does not strongly deviate from the original protocol -- with SC2, you're trusting a single person's programming skills with your money.  The fact that the trusted node system has already been attacked successfully should be an ominous sign to anyone who wants to invest their money into SC2.  I think a lot of people in the end are going to get shafted and one person is going to walk away with a lot of everyone else's cash.
2963  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Possible to make a coin that gets more "memory hard" over time? on: January 30, 2012, 04:32:18 PM
Not sure what you mean...  Vastly larger amounts of L1 and L2 cache will never happen because the speed at which the cache operates decreases with the size of the cache.  The point of multiple cache sizes is to offer slower cache with better hit rates when larger amounts of memory are required, without having to offload onto the comparatively really slow RAM.  Hence, you will never see 256MB L1 caches because the processor would become absurdly slow.

You should read this first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_cache

I think it's more reasonable to assume that L1 caches will remain similarly sized but become faster in the future with lower hit rates.  So, the algorithm is fine as it is.  If you increase the amount of memory required, you end up with a GPU-favoured implementation of scrypt.
2964  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [RELEASE] Liquidcoin (Speculation based) on: January 29, 2012, 12:29:05 AM
If the hash rate goes just a little lower I can 51% the chain.  Grin
2965  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: January 28, 2012, 11:26:22 PM
Is the mining activity fairly robust now for Litecoins? I seem to get that impression on the Alt Curr Forum and on this thread.

Robust but suspicious...  ~70% of the mining power is non-pool or private pool, and in the past it has been strongly botnet mined.  But it's still surviving.
2966  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: January 28, 2012, 10:54:51 PM
LTC is back from the dead !  Woohoo  Grin

When did it die...or go into a coma?

There was a short period where there was only about 20 BTC buy side on BTC-E and it looked like it might go to the dreaded 0.0001 value.
2967  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 7970 mining thread on: January 28, 2012, 02:16:33 AM
Looks like I will be getting 3 or 4 7970s  Can I just assume ASUS has the best card?

Sapphire makes the best AMD cards.  

Most of the 7970s out right now are reference boards and are pretty much the same
Sapphire is just AMD's OEM branding and is mostly okay -- not great, not bad
XFX has by far the best warranty on their cards (lifetime)
Asus, Gigabyte and MSI all make good cards with decent aftermarket cooling options.  If you want a card that is going to live a long time, get something with solid cooling on the VRMs, RAM and GPU
Personally I would buy this one if you're on risers: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/33697-gigabyte-radeon-hd-7970-oc-gv-r797oc-3gd/?page=14
2968  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: On the Solidcoin Economic Changes on: January 28, 2012, 01:57:49 AM
Code:
    double dDifficulty = GetDifficulty(dwWorkBits);

    //We need to work out how many years it has been running to calculate estimated
    //electricity price increases and hardware improvements
    double dYearsPassed = ( (double)(nHeight-179999) /(60*24*365));

    //moores law type adjustment. Assume 50% better efficiency per year
    double dKH_Per_Watt = 3.0 * pow(1.50,dYearsPassed);

    //We start at 8c per kilowatt hour, compound increase it 10% per year
    //this is the estimated increased cost of electricity per year
    double dCostPerKiloWattHour = 0.08*pow(1.10,dYearsPassed);
    double dTotalKWh = ((dDifficulty*131)/dKH_Per_Watt) / (3600*1000);

    double dBaseValue = dTotalKWh*dCostPerKiloWattHour;

lol??
2969  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: January 26, 2012, 08:39:42 PM
LTC is back from the dead !  Woohoo  Grin
2970  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [RELEASE] Liquidcoin (Speculation based) on: January 23, 2012, 05:47:14 PM
Looks like LQC is dead in the water...  Only two buy orders in vircurex with no prospect of being added to BTC-e and a price set rapidly to drop below 0.0001 BTC/LQC.
2971  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitscalper anyone use this ? on: January 23, 2012, 05:44:43 PM
When will we have automated account withdrawals?
2972  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [RELEASE] Liquidcoin (Speculation based) on: January 21, 2012, 05:16:09 AM
Probably not this one if it becomes impossible to mine new blocks because the servers are being prodded so much for information...  That's the point of modulating difficulty, I thought.

Imma mine some now to dump to idiots, though.
2973  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [RELEASE] Liquidcoin (Speculation based) on: January 21, 2012, 05:03:22 AM
14421 blocks already.... lol.
2974  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [RELEASE] Liquidcoin (Speculation based) on: January 21, 2012, 04:52:47 AM
Um.  If the difficulty is fixed, won't the block chain become both bloated in terms of data as well as encounter insanely high stale rates once a large number of people begin mining?

It was a clusterfuck when most of these alt chains started off with really low difficulties.
2975  Economy / Securities / Re: Ultima Fund - BitCoin investment fund on: January 19, 2012, 05:46:02 PM
so... where is this thing?
2976  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: January 17, 2012, 02:58:56 AM
(it just depresses the price a little)

A little lol its worth nothing thats not what i call a little

It's worth about $1400 right now on BTCe... which is more or less what it was always worth.
2977  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which cryptocurrencies are now more profitable to mine than BTC? on: January 15, 2012, 04:14:14 PM
They're all less profitable than BTC, which makes sense I suppose.

Per watt, LTC is about a third as profitable (see coinotron), although I'm not exactly sure of the validity of their calculations.  The main reason to mine it is if you have idle CPUs in clusters for mining bitcoin and you wish to make use of them somehow, and power is cheap.  If the network eventually stabilizes, I would expect the price to rise about 200-300%.  At the moment, it's been heavily botnet mined and these people dump whatever they get into the market.  Now is a good time to mine BTC and then use the BTC to buy the LTC.  I have a feeling soon the price will come up when people take notice of the disparity.
2978  Economy / Economics / Re: I don't understand neoliberal economics: low-level inflationary hoarding on: January 14, 2012, 04:09:41 PM
There is an assumption that all saved money now is for spending at a later time, and this is the basic of modern economic theories

One single person might have very high incentive to accumulate wealth throughout his entire life (because he was so poor before), but his son/daughter might not, and his grandson/granddaughter might not, wealth seldom last more than 3 generations

What kind of people have the incentive to accumulate wealth across many generations, and why do they have such incentive?

This is coming up a lot in this thread.  In any case:
Of all the persons I know coming from highly wealthy families, I would estimate that only 10-20% will end up in low-paying jobs or unemployed, consuming what wealth their parents have given to them.  The rest typically follow in their parents footsteps: I have one friend who is an executive, and all 5 of his children are either working in high tier finance, are executives themselves, or are high ranking government officials.  Of the low income families I know, I would say it's closer to 80% of the progeny failing to exceed the earning potential of their parents.  Unless someone has a lot of hard data on thousands of families, I really find this all hard to believe, that rich parents are unlikely to produce rich offspring.

The fact of the matter is, the more money you have as a parent, the easier it is to send your child to a private school for K-12, hire nannies and educators to ensure an upbringing that produces a well-functioning adult, and provide the financial means to enter Ivy league universities (not to mention social networking connections the parents have).

Push this further to corporate entities.  Ford and GE have been around for extremely long amounts of time, and many financial companies even longer (Bear Stearns: 1923, Goldman Sachs: 1869).  Their durations of existing are quickly surpasses those of humans, and their wealth exponentially increasing.

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I think its because you are ignoring taxation and government spending. Usually, the richer would pay more taxes, and through government spending that money, as well as newly created money -in so far the government still creates it-, would become available for anyone to compete for. In theory.  In reality of course, the super rich will do anything they can to limit taxes and government spending, and/or direct the government spending to themselves for the very reason you bring up.
Well, yeah.  I think the concentration of wealth causes the system to run increasingly less efficiently due to a more more concentrated influence over it.

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I think you're mixing several things:
the anticyclical policy of the central bank (or equivalent)
promotion of growth through monetary expansion
wealth inequality
redistribution of wealth
They're not related to one another?  Sure wealth inequality's exponential increase is related to exponential forms of investment.

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Even if you have an inflationary currency, unless there are restrictions on the market, even poor people can still save by investing into fungible liquid commodities such as gold.

As Ludwig von Mises said, the changes in the supply of money serve no social purpose. The only thing they do is redistribute wealth.
Poor people can still invest, yes, but the amount of money they have to invest relative to a rich person is minute.  Let's take a CEO who can invest $750,000 a year and a labourer who can invest $10,000 a year.  After a ten year period in investment into equities returning 3% annually, the CEO will have accumulated $732,000 in capital gains while the labourer will have accumulated $14,600.  Divide these by one another; at the end of the day, the CEO is saving 50 times as much and is making 50 times the amount of capital gain.  The same gap still remains.  But keeping it mind also that investment returns for persons with larger amount of wealth are often higher due to better management, there is no real chance for the labourer to catch up.

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Yeah, I'm not sure what currency inflation has to do with investing in assets with interest returns.
Bonds don't have a lot to do with the inflation of a currency supply?  At the end of the day, to issue the amount of bond and its return the government must print exponentially more currency, I had thought.

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Such assets would also be available in a deflationary environment, and the idea that money makes more money, and thus rich will become richer faster than poor people will happen pretty much in any style of economy. Though wealthy people are also wealthy because of their knowledge about business and finances, not just because they have money, and as johnyj pointed out, wealth doesn't last through many generations. Stupid trust fund babies can quickly squander it all.
They can, but my personal experience is that they do not.  Taxation is supposed to (as far as I can tell) allow for some wealth redistribution, because it pulls more money from the rich than the poor and then redistributes it, but every rich person I know does not pay very much in taxes due to the creative and perfectly legal assistance of their accountants.  As wealth accumulation increases, the abuses of the government's ability to tax the wealthier classes will diminish because their influence in the operation of the government becomes that much larger.  All I really have concern about is the inefficiency of the system (making it non-competitive with other countries whose governments and tax make greater investment in their human resources, like Germany) and it's potential for causing social arrest among the increasingly marginalized and debt-ridden lower segments of society.  I think the decrease of federal income tax was one of the worst things to happen to the United States (though I favour diminished corporate tax).
2979  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 3x7970 Mining Results. on: January 12, 2012, 10:22:17 PM
Wow, these cards are amazing in terms of mh/watt!
2980  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Litecoin - a lite version of Bitcoin. Launched! on: January 12, 2012, 09:31:04 PM
It appeared to be turned off for the last little while...  It wasn't on FBX/TBX which were the other two alt currencies.  This would seem to indicate that it's not actually a botnet (who could care less about producing coins for the cheapest cost possible) but rather someone who commands a very large cluster of CPUs that pays for power (likely someone simultaneously mining bitcoin).

It appears that they don't have enough power to 51% the chain, as in their absence the size of LTC mining was about 2/3 the size that it is now.  It may be someone who wishes to ask maliciously (Luke Jr.) but can't 51% the chain, so they are mining and dumping as quickly as possible (which doesn't really do anything malicious, it just depresses the price a little).
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