I really wanted these to worth buying; but they aren't.
A 5x 1070 rig costs almost exactly the same and will produce 1900+ sol/s @ ~850 watts with stock settings.
With optimized settings you should be able to get 1900+ sol/s @ ~550 watts.
This is with equipment that is easy to resell, and is likely to hold its value well over time.
The panda miner needs to be both; way more efficient, and have a significantly lower price.
As it is now: it's just a ripoff targeting new miners.
just curious... which CUDA ZEC miner are you using that can produce 1900 sols from 5 x 1070s? nicehash or ewbf miner do 380 sol per gpu at 100 watt each, they are the best gpu to mine zec currently |
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this is wrong how the amd 470 and 480 are beating the 1070 on zcash?
just look at the hashrate, the 1070 can do 380 sol at 100 watt against 200 sol at 90 watt for a 470
even if the 470 cost half of one 1070 it's still not better to go with amd, especially if you are going to have many rig where density matter a lot
also by the look how people consider cost/hash they always forget that 4 rig are always far better than 8 rig(if they both perform similar, 380 sol x 6 x 4 vs 200 sol x 6 x 8 ), because you save on computer components that do not mine so you save on cost/hash in the end
not to mention that you save on the consumption as well, 700 watt x 4 rig against 600 watt per 8 rig...no question nvidia is far better, amd is trash at the moment on zec
At this moment rx 470 is better than gtx 1070 if we talk about ROI. Power consume is the same. rx 470 (200$) in eth (29h/s) today give you 1,2usd/day. ROI in 5,5. GTX 1070 (400$) in zcash (380sol) today give you 1,8/day. ROI in 7,4 Less power exp of course. my point was about zcash, and there the amd gpu are not better in roi they are worse we all know that on etheruem nvidia is bad because of the bandwidth but etheruem will die soon, so who care |
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If you already have a 1070, it's definitely worth mining with it.
If you do not, it is NOT competative on the basis of income generated vs. cost of card - even on ZEC which is currently it's BEST income generation, the AMD RX 470 and 480 beat it fairly easily on a cost/hash basis.
If you plan to use the card for something OTHER THAN mining on the long term, it can me worth mining with it to help pay for it.
It is NOT in fact a more recent card than the RX 480 - the 1070 introduction PREdates the RX480 introduction (much less the 470) by 2-3 months.
this is wrong how the amd 470 and 480 are beating the 1070 on zcash? just look at the hashrate, the 1070 can do 380 sol at 100 watt against 200 sol at 90 watt for a 470 even if the 470 cost half of one 1070 it's still not better to go with amd, especially if you are going to have many rig where density matter a lot also by the look how people consider cost/hash they always forget that 4 rig are always far better than 8 rig(if they both perform similar, 380 sol x 6 x 4 vs 200 sol x 6 x 8 ), because you save on computer components that do not mine so you save on cost/hash in the end not to mention that you save on the consumption as well, 700 watt x 4 rig against 600 watt per 8 rig...no question nvidia is far better, amd is trash at the moment on zec |
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what's the point of this if the consumption is way higher than a normal rig with 6 x 480 or 470?
a 6 x 470 rig can do 600 watt 1400-1500, that thing consume more than 1k watt for just the same hash...
I think if you undervolt, you can get better power numbers. this change everything of course, i'm curious now on the possible final consumption after the right tweak |
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Steam is accepting indeed already for a while and I cannot say its really changing it or popular, I think that it will also not affect it in the future.
how you can be so sure that the current pump was not also possible because of steam accepting bitcoin? there are more than 13M people that use steam, there are high chances that many are using bitcoin to buy games there |
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Ship still sailing Pallas?
What do you mean? :-) when you are going to release your version probably |
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what's the point of this if the consumption is way higher than a normal rig with 6 x 480 or 470?
a 6 x 470 rig can do 600 watt 1400-1500, that thing consume more than 1k watt for just the same hash...
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my point was clear from the beginning you just circumnavigated it as usual with no-sense crap
nicehash miner was private for the sole purpose of having people mining at their pool, it's not because of code stealing that is a thing that the direct dev will do
and guess what nicehash has hired a dev, they do not code themselves, when EWBF released it's mine it has put a dent in their effort to do so, result in making it open source int he end
simple logic everyone could understand....but maybe not...
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You can't make employers pay wages and salaries in Bitcoin, since they may be and most likely are legally bound to pay their employees in local fiat
well this because bitcoin is not legal accepted in those country or if anything, everywhere, and it's the same reason why merchants like amazon are not accepting it, but it may change in the future, when bitcoin will eb more recognized you only need the government to treat bitcoin as a part of the fiat world, not an easy task though |
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Year ain't over yet  i seriously doubt we can increase by 50 in just one day, the sentiment seems stagnation now and not pumping You are aware in China btc broke $1000 correct?
proof of this? you know chinese exchange are heavily manipulated and don't really count |
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With free electricity, most of the time there will be a limit to how much is available to you. Some places will not allow much usage, some more- I would recommend buying a cheap miner and trying to mine with that- I know a few people in my area trying to sell Antminer S1's for free as they're practically worthless. Those can be nice to start with as they can be undervolted nicely and won't use too much power then.
for this reason i think it's still better to buy efficient miner so you have more room and you can add other device in the future cheap asic consume a lot and you will end up with much less hashrate in the end, therefore s9 is always the way to go for me |
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With only 4 cent your electricity cost is very good for mining, I think use S5 is still profitable and return about 5 months if you buy new units. Now the price more than $900, I think now you must start for mining.
better to buy one s9, s5 is cheaper but the profit is very low, and the s9 has a higher resale value when it will be come obsolete and 5 months assuming that the diff will stay the same...witht he current increase it's improbable |
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Just buy bitcoins and hold! That's the safest way to invest in the long run.
holding will not give you more bitcoin but only more fiat unless you are planning to do trading also, but the op is newbie and trading would result in a loss if the op can invest in mining would be better, bitcoin mining is also good today if you have 5-10 cent electricity |
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they can open a 51 attack any time they want.
I would agree with you if 'they' was a single entity, rather than the most populous country on the face of the earth -- or even a half-dozen decision makers running a half-dozen pools, which each aggregate the hashpower of multitudinous hashers, all in competition with each other over solving the next block. But as it stands, there is no singular 'they', so no 51% attack. i see they might change their mind and work together if something bad happen to because, sort of "this ship is dead let's act criminal now we don't care anymore" but how the thing are going now, it's not so unbelievable to think that in the future only few of those pool will mine bitcoin, so the thing will certainly get worse from now |
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This opened a webpage that is just overflowing with too much information. Does it have something like a light-weight desktop widget or something similar after registering? Damn too many scripts running in the background there. I don't like it. couldn't you simply use preev, it is in real time, and you don't have too many overwhelming information there, just leave the tab open on your smarthphone |
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well their competition it's already dead because EWBF provide already a pool unlocked miner, so i see no point for them to keep their version closed source
Because they're incapable of improving their miner, just like EWBF can't either? Your logic sometimes really blows my mind. When you open source something everyone adopts whatever makes your miner better into theirs. you clearly didn't understand my point, i repeat, there is no point in them having their miner closed source when there is already another oen with almost the same speed that can mine on any pool they have understood this finally You realize they have been the ones releasing faster versions first right? You could just as easily say 'because Nicehash continually releases a faster miner, you should open source yours' to EWBF. Conversely then Nicehash coders would adopt EWBFs code. The whole reason it's closed source is so someone doesn't copy their code. Whether or not they can or can't mine on all pools is independent of the coding effort put into it. I understood your point perfectly, it's just dumb and doesn't really make sense when it comes to IP. it's faster by what 2-5%? pointless when they actually pay less in the end, their miner have no reason to stay closed source, and this was true already with the first version of EWBF not now But EQM have 100% cpu load, EWBF only 10%. Nice hash fee more than 2% fee.
Using EWBF and the normal pools i earn more $$$ than I get when I use your EQM.
If you are Robinhood and want to protect miners from dev fees, then lay out a miner that not locked on nicehash.
More like what you are simply unhappy that we have miner with a similar hashrate, and use the normal pools, not nicehash
both have same consumption and same load for me, what are you talking about? it's like their are based on the same code...EWBF can really be the one that is coding for nicehash and on top of that he released another copy paste version with 2% fee so he earn even more... I don't think you understand how coding and IP work. The whole reason they keep it closed source is so people don't copy it and then turn it into their own miners, then build off of it ending up with a (usually) superior product... which is basically what this thread turned into for exactly this reason. that is only one point of it, because if the 2% fee miner was tied to a pool i would not use it and many other also would use the nicehash, if none would use it they should not bother if someone else copyed their work and it's making money(nothing actually if none use it) and release it open source It's funny when we have this entire quote structure going on here and you decide to completely jump ship and talk about a different issue as if it were relating to what we were originally talking about. Guess that's what happens when you know you're wrong and can't just not reply. sure, funny thing is that their miner was stolen anyway for them(they are accusing ewbf and they weren't thinking this today, probably since ewbf's miner released...) and you say that they were keeping it private because they fear that it could be copyed, no-sense the real reason is that there is no point in keeping it private anymore when there is a better miner out there, and if slower by 1% the simple fact that it can mine everywhere make it better obviously it has to do, since the beginning, with the fact that they want people to mine at their site and not on other pool, they were keeping it private after that because of the faster speed, but the game is over |
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We need to put it into good old nheqminer, since we don't want to make eqm code base public (there is no need for that). If we only make solver public, then we know what will happen... tons of "private miners" will emerge. Except, if you make a promise to put solver into it on your own and make it available for everyone  wasn't going to be open source? why you simply don't make it a standalone miner? private miner will have no point anymore unless there is still huge improvement with this algo |
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Zpool is broken, we all know that.
Bensam is right again. I did a small test on zpool.ca and mined to a LBRY adress directly instead of autoexhange to BTC. A block was found, and I should have recieved 32.22LBRY, but I only got 24.5 LBRY. 25% is gone  so they are clearly scamming Yuh... Which has been known for quite awhile. none seems to care though that is the strange part...their main thread is closed but the owner is not tagged.... |
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well their competition it's already dead because EWBF provide already a pool unlocked miner, so i see no point for them to keep their version closed source
Because they're incapable of improving their miner, just like EWBF can't either? Your logic sometimes really blows my mind. When you open source something everyone adopts whatever makes your miner better into theirs. you clearly didn't understand my point, i repeat, there is no point in them having their miner closed source when there is already another oen with almost the same speed that can mine on any pool they have understood this finally You realize they have been the ones releasing faster versions first right? You could just as easily say 'because Nicehash continually releases a faster miner, you should open source yours' to EWBF. Conversely then Nicehash coders would adopt EWBFs code. The whole reason it's closed source is so someone doesn't copy their code. Whether or not they can or can't mine on all pools is independent of the coding effort put into it. I understood your point perfectly, it's just dumb and doesn't really make sense when it comes to IP. it's faster by what 2-5%? pointless when they actually pay less in the end, their miner have no reason to stay closed source, and this was true already with the first version of EWBF not now But EQM have 100% cpu load, EWBF only 10%. Nice hash fee more than 2% fee.
Using EWBF and the normal pools i earn more $$$ than I get when I use your EQM.
If you are Robinhood and want to protect miners from dev fees, then lay out a miner that not locked on nicehash.
More like what you are simply unhappy that we have miner with a similar hashrate, and use the normal pools, not nicehash
both have same consumption and same load for me, what are you talking about? it's like their are based on the same code...EWBF can really be the one that is coding for nicehash and on top of that he released another copy paste version with 2% fee so he earn even more... I don't think you understand how coding and IP work. The whole reason they keep it closed source is so people don't copy it and then turn it into their own miners, then build off of it ending up with a (usually) superior product... which is basically what this thread turned into for exactly this reason. that is only one point of it, because if the 2% fee miner was tied to a pool i would not use it and many other also would use the nicehash, if none would use it they should not bother if someone else copyed their work and it's making money(nothing actually if none use it) and release it open source |
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well their competition it's already dead because EWBF provide already a pool unlocked miner, so i see no point for them to keep their version closed source
Because they're incapable of improving their miner, just like EWBF can't either? Your logic sometimes really blows my mind. When you open source something everyone adopts whatever makes your miner better into theirs. you clearly didn't understand my point, i repeat, there is no point in them having their miner closed source when there is already another oen with almost the same speed that can mine on any pool they have understood this finally You realize they have been the ones releasing faster versions first right? You could just as easily say 'because Nicehash continually releases a faster miner, you should open source yours' to EWBF. Conversely then Nicehash coders would adopt EWBFs code. The whole reason it's closed source is so someone doesn't copy their code. Whether or not they can or can't mine on all pools is independent of the coding effort put into it. I understood your point perfectly, it's just dumb and doesn't really make sense when it comes to IP. it's faster by what 2-5%? pointless when they actually pay less in the end, their miner have no reason to stay closed source, and this was true already with the first version of EWBF not now But EQM have 100% cpu load, EWBF only 10%. Nice hash fee more than 2% fee.
Using EWBF and the normal pools i earn more $$$ than I get when I use your EQM.
If you are Robinhood and want to protect miners from dev fees, then lay out a miner that not locked on nicehash.
More like what you are simply unhappy that we have miner with a similar hashrate, and use the normal pools, not nicehash
both have same consumption and same load for me, what are you talking about? it's like their are based on the same code...EWBF can really be the one that is coding for nicehash and on top of that he released another copy paste version with 2% fee so he earn even more... |
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