I love this: https://txstreet.com/ See what service is done for you: Shit load of green buses here waiting to service you - pest practice ! BTC clients waiting ( also to pay higher fees) and watching jealously over the street ...
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bch is better than btc and truely the only right chain
Jr member with 52 activity gets his first merit point for saying bch is better than btc.....shocking lol, pump me up to senior member please, bch is wayyyy better than bitcoin, they might co-exist together as each is a unique identity, one is more like peer to peer, the other is like store of value Who would Roger Ver want to run his bitcointalk thread for bitcoin cash Who would roger help in the MTGox Hack Who would roger help in the big block debate Who would roger help at Cryptsy, Lucky7coin Who did Roger know at butterfly Labs Asic miners Who did Roger know in the Silk Road operations under FBI investiagtion, Why is Roger at the center of it all Gotta hide the real blockchain hey Roger Bitcoin thanks Satoshi's Bitcoin was never about single people - and single people cannot achieve really much. It was always about the quickest and best supply of global cash in form of a real scarce digital money and best possible security to use it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3378014.msg42014849#msg42014849Name calling irrelevant
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... Hat jemand Kontakt zu Marty McFly und Doc Brown?
Es hätte mir voll genügt wenn die mir 2010 den Finanz-Almanach aus 2025 mitgebracht hätten. der für 2018 hätte auch genügt.
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Warum lest ihr die Artikel nicht richtig und zieht dann falsche Schlüsse?! Nur weil irgendwo um Grössenordnungen mehr Bitcoin-Derivate gehandelt werden, ändert sich der BTC Kurs nicht direkt. Wenn ein Derivat-Händler den BTC Kurs bewegen möchte, dann muss er tatsächlich BTC handeln - oder aber er bringt durch FUD/Marketing/Presseartikel irgendwelche Dummköpfe dazu, zu seinem Vorteil zu handeln.
Bei den grossen institutionellen Händlern wissen wir, dass diese BTC gar nicht direkt handeln dürf(t)en (keine börsenaufsichtliche Genehmigung). Was bleibt also logischerweise übrig?!
Kurz: Nur wer BTC handelt bestimmt den BTC Kurs.
Nicht ganz, wie beim Gold Handel bestimmt auch nicht mehr der physische Handel den Preis zu 100%, sondern eher das Paper-Gold Trading. Mit einem Haufen FIAT, kann ich schon die Futures drücken -> über Korrelationsmechanismen bei grossen Market Makern wird dann auch das Underlying Instrument im Preis beeinflusst. Mach mal ne Ausbildung im Devisenhandel bei einer Grossbank ....
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There is only one proper proposal for a working Bitcoin scaling concept, that also keeps the SEC out of it. It is real industrial style on-chain scaling. Sorry to say that, but I fear this guy here, Joannes Vermorel is absolutely right. There is no time any more left for romantic experimentation with Bitcoin and some fancy unsolved SEC layer stuff around. Listen around 1:25 https://memo.cash/post/f3cba7ea021820b07435eba96c209609b643ca81cf4f9db60b87546f52a9ea19But why do these millions transactions per second need to be validated and stored by every full node, forever? Even if we discarded LN (for whatever reason), I think solutions like sidechains, pegged alt-chains of various types (e.g. the Basecoin style or the BitUSD/Dai style), child chains and sharding do make much more sense than massive, monolithic blocks. All of these solutions are based on the on-chain transaction paradigm and so are not in danger of being restricted by the SEC or other organisms. (And no, a IoT nanopayment network based on the Bitcoin technology and on-chain transactions is totally crazy. I think 100K to 1 million transactions per second are totally OK for a global currency. 23K/sec already enable to make every household in the world to make 1 transaction per day, which in most cases is sufficient.) I'm very convinced of that real open markets and open protocols will solve that by alligned incentives. If you want Bitcoin to be big world wide, think big and do not try to dictate how ppl should use Bitcoin. The reason why the blocks are regulated to 1mb is to make the network scale up. That means the network should keep growing in terms of number of nodes as the hardware becomes cheaper and the bandwidth becomes faster. What many people have failed to know is bandwidth grows slower and slower as the years pass by, and network latency slower still. We might agree on a truth: If you try to scale up a system (like a internet protocol), the base parts of it must be as simple as possible, that attracts all sorts of builders. Side chains included, sure. You talk like Segwit is very complicated. It is a simple malleability fix. The block size increase is a side effect. Plus you talk of side chains, then why not a 2nd offchain layer? > keep the Bitcoin consensus protocol as clean and minimal as possible, so decentralization comes in with world wide use and growth.
It is, and Bitcoin's regulated block size to 1mb will scale the network up. A good example of centralization and its network designed scaled down is Ethereum. Their blockchain is 1tb large and increasing, and an increasing number of nodes cannot keep up with the network. Consider that their miners, who control the gas limit, which also control the block size are playing nice by regulating the blocks. So your arguments getting weaker... or malleability ? ETH (apples - oranges) ? I leave it up to you to draw the final picture of BTC future, where you surely hope many small ppl are STILL happily running cheap relay nodes - connected to a few monster nodes from mining pools etc , never ever will be able to pay for a safe on-chain settlement for all their fancy un-secure TXs (any interface and off-chain tx / storage / ... IS by orders of magnitude more un-secure than on-chain) - because that secure on-chain settlement will exceed the cost of running their cheap on-chain settlement nodes by orders of magnitude.... so why running them ? Only for 'decentralization'? How much is needed really ? I rather will go with that picture Joannes Vermorel was drawing, where manny of the solvent corps with proper business cases and risk managements behind will run the expensive shit for all the other ppl in the world for good. Still that many, that we have enough decentralization at work, because we all (should) know that Bitcoin has good game theoretical / economical alignments at work from the very beginning (a variant of the Nash Equilibrium)! So I m really not concerned about any 'too high un-decentralization' - you can have 'decentralization' at any scale -> what makes Bitcoin a fractal like structure.
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Noch mehr Buden / Middlemen kommen in den Crypto Markt: https://www.cash.ch/news/top-news/bitcoin-co-hochfrequenzhaendler-expandiert-kryptowaehrungen-1188798> Solche Middle-Men sorgen zwar für 'bessere Liquidität und engere Preise' -> auf der anderen Seite müssen die aber auch Geld verdienen... Wo kommt das her ? >>> Klar, kannn ja nur aus dem Bticoin Wert selber herkommen, also muss der nachgeben. Middlemen saugen nur Wert aus Bitcoin > Preis fällt ( bei engeren Spread und mehr Liqui). Einzige Hoffnung hierbei ist, dass neue Teilnehmer mit frischem Geld einsteigen wollen, weil nun billiger / engere Spreads und hohe Liqui da sind ... aber das ist nicht unendlich vorhanden.
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As such , it is against the law for them to discard transactions for up to 10 years after a person dies. Business & Corporations transactions have to be recorded basically forever. Thinking LN hubs will be able to discard data is a myth , that is going to bite them in the legal asset. They are going to be required to store all data, even if they don't store it in the block chain, it is still going to take up data storage space somewhere. Even if you were right and that happened internationally, in every single country of the world (which I don't believe will be the case) - storage space is not the main problem. The problem with a massive blockchain is the immense validation work required by all full nodes. In LN, there is a lot less work as nodes only need to validate transactions where they participate themselves. Truth be told , why fools waste money running free nodes has always been stupid in bitcoin, miners make money , yet PoW node operators (suckers) are supposed to work for free.
Give the Node operators a % of the transaction fee profits and then they can afford to run the nodes.
I think you refer to the free LN nodes I mentioned earlier. But LN is an " inverse commons", as users are also "producers" - the more people use the system, the more mini-nodes can be used as intermediaries. And mini-nodes do almost not have expenses so they can work for free (like current non-mining full nodes), as I already wrote. Where are there PoW nodes working for free in current bitcoin? Unprofitiable miners? Don't understand that. Or do you refer to the post-2140 future where only transaction fees will be paid to them? I'm very convinced of that real open markets and open protocols will solve that by alligned incentives. If you want Bitcoin to be big world wide, think big and do not try to dictate how ppl should use Bitcoin.
I don't want to dictate that, and nobody can. But free market forces would mean: If LN is cheaper for a day-to-day transaction than a "massive block Bitcoin (Cash)", then LN will be the the dominant solution. And if micropayments (=most of the payments that exceed the 1 payment/day per household "threshold" with a 23K tps BTC) are cheaper when carried out with client-server solutions (like Paypal) than when they use LN, these centralized services will continue to exist, but if LN is cheaper, then it most likely will "rule that world". From all what I heard until now, LN is one of the cheapest solutions, and so it will be most likely very successful - if it works as expected. We might agree on a truth: If you try to scale up a system (like a internet protocol), the base parts of it must be as simple as possible, that attracts all sorts of builders. Side chains included, sure.
> keep the Bitcoin consensus protocol as clean and minimal as possible, so decentralization comes in with world wide use and growth.
Here we agree. LN is not part of the base consensus protocol, so it doesn't affect it. Good, so lets put risk / reward measurement on that. prio1: base protocol as thin, bold and simple (rule #1 if u want to scale software!) -> remove as much code as possible > max_block_size is clearly one thing here, free markets find it out better, also if you can put best effort into parallelization and optimization of the parts Joannes pointed out. SW is not needed as well, too complicated, too much tech dept and we can have 2nd layer on top of Bitcoin without it. LN can be done as ppl need it and go live after some years of maturity. Not prio 1
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Congrats Legending as well soon.
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Here's all you need to know. It's on the way back to where it came from. You can watch from the sidelines or ride it down. This site is a social scientist's dream. Ten PhDs could be written on the "bro" investment culture, groupthink, and general simple-mindedness. 95% of the responses to my prediction are "NO - ya gotta have faith!!"; "All markets go up and down"; "Think long-term"; and "We are the strong, and we believe". The "long-term" heroes actually jumped in to get rich quick. When that didn't happen, and faced with losing half their money, they are now prophets of HODL. If the price ever does rise to where they got in, they'll sell, sell, sell. That's a huge barrier to any advance. But all that doesn't matter. Bitcoin is GOING DOWN. Back to around $400, as it was for so long. That's apparently the real value to folks making non-standard financial transactions, primarily criminals. Again, look at the chart in the link. With what we know now, it's obvious that the price was manipulated, you were cheated, and if you hang on you'll lose more.I'll be back in 18 months to say "Told ya so". But I hope you're all out long before then. EDIT: For the record, I have no crypto coin. All my money is in mutual funds. Still risky but has done well AND you don't get cheated. Sell your BC and buy something sensible like that. You can still be a "playah". 18months ? I ve heard that time frame... Wait, it was the LN time to be live,...hehe Yes, you could be right, BTC down, because it is blamed not to work and bribled down. But it will be taken over by Bitcoin Cash by that time. Here all can scale and adoption is back.
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There is only one proper proposal for a working Bitcoin scaling concept, that also keeps the SEC out of it. It is real industrial style on-chain scaling. Sorry to say that, but I fear this guy here, Joannes Vermorel is absolutely right. There is no time any more left for romantic experimentation with Bitcoin and some fancy unsolved SEC layer stuff around. Listen around 1:25 https://memo.cash/post/f3cba7ea021820b07435eba96c209609b643ca81cf4f9db60b87546f52a9ea19But why do these millions transactions per second need to be validated and stored by every full node, forever? Even if we discarded LN (for whatever reason), I think solutions like sidechains, pegged alt-chains of various types (e.g. the Basecoin style or the BitUSD/Dai style), child chains and sharding do make much more sense than massive, monolithic blocks. All of these solutions are based on the on-chain transaction paradigm and so are not in danger of being restricted by the SEC or other organisms. (And no, a IoT nanopayment network based on the Bitcoin technology and on-chain transactions is totally crazy. I think 100K to 1 million transactions per second are totally OK for a global currency. 23K/sec already enable to make every household in the world to make 1 transaction per day, which in most cases is sufficient.) I'm very convinced of that real open markets and open protocols will solve that by alligned incentives. If you want Bitcoin to be big world wide, think big and do not try to dictate how ppl should use Bitcoin. We might agree on a truth: If you try to scale up a system (like a internet protocol), the base parts of it must be as simple as possible, that attracts all sorts of builders. Side chains included, sure. > keep the Bitcoin consensus protocol as clean and minimal as possible, so decentralization comes in with world wide use and growth.
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