im not starting anything. Hyperjacked made some grand claims (emboldened below) and then teased me (us). How does he know who ICM is and on what basis is ICM "the best dev in crypto"? thx in advance
Another tired MO from the sdc fud teamers. We've seen it a million times guys. GET SOME NEW MATERIAL Pick on one member of a thread for a statement that can be interpreted several ways. Harold, don't stop with this red herring, I think you have a winner here.  |
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Be awesome if you could read code. Why do you need the dev to teach you c++?
i do read code but a statement from dev is what is better. if id give my opinion it would be fud Having an "opinion" about code is like having an opinion about algebra. It either works or it doesn't. |
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I pmed the dev about this a few days ago, but haven't received any response, nor has anything been done about these, so I'm posting this here now hoping it'll get some answers. This is not the message I sent, this is reworded for general users who I don't expect to know much about the code. There are multiple things I've found in the code that seem like problems. In the masternode payment enforcement, the code for checking that masternodes are being paid is checking the wrong transaction. In btc(and pow coins like darkcoin which the code came from) the block reward is in the first transaction (vtx[0]), and in PoS forks like crave is, vtx[0] is always left empty and the block reward is in vtx[1]. It can be seen here https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2375 and https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2357 that the code was not updated to look in vtx[1], and continues to look at vtx[0]. It can also be seen a little higher up in the same function that the block verification does check that vtx[0] is empty https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2302 . Since block verification checks that vtx[0] is empty to even get to masternode payment verification, payment verification will never find an output to a masternode in that loop, and should reject all blocks, except it doesn't deadlock due to the next point. I have about 5 seconds to check this out, but vtx[1] is the marker for PoS in crave. https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.h#L728If the rest of your analysis is equally flawed, I'd suggest to the community not to waste to much time worrying about it. [addendum]The second paragraph is flawed too. The first points to CBlock and the second to CTransaction. Yes, vtx[1] is the coinstake transaction, and it looks at it in the IsProofOfStake function, that doesn't contradict anything I said. vtx[0] is where the masternode payment verification code is looking however when the payment is part of that coinstake in vtx[1]. dev be awesome if you clear this up Be awesome if you could read code. Why do you need the dev to teach you c++? |
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Oh come now… don't be so coy… spill the beans. and why do u know if others don't?
Neat. Now child harold is coming to try to salvage the fud attempt by longandshort. Out of juice = sdc fud team What makes you think you can do it any better than your master? Why do you have to single out the COIN, these individuals do not represent the SDC team or community at large, everyone is entitled to their own opinnion and can voice it all they want. I hold multiple coins, SDC is a primary one yes, does this now make me an SDC FUDDER? Raising legitimate questions and tech discussion is not fudding. Its discussion plain and simple. If everyone would stop attacking a persons opinions as being a representation of the coin its team or community then maybe there wouldn't be so many troll wars. Hahahahaha more sdc fud teamers. You are out of juice man. Give it up. Your master longandshort failed. If there is a problem with the function of crave say so. You sdc fudders suck. You have no specifics. Just vague accusations and nitpicking about things that aren't even implemented. If you sdc fudders can't say how this coin is not functioning correctly, then you are fudding plain and simple. |
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Oh come now… don't be so coy… spill the beans. and why do u know if others don't?
Neat. Now child harold is coming to try to salvage the fud attempt by longandshort. Out of juice = sdc fud team What makes you think you can do it any better than your master? |
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Thank you for supporting what i am saying though and i agree that people should be thanking me for my skepticism.
Why the veil? Are you not a wolf in sheeps clothing? Please prove me wrong... A wolf who uses tired fud themes. |
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I am not a coder myself so it is difficult for me to asses the legitimacy of a project especially if there is so little peer review or information, there is not even a whitepaper explaining the basic tenets of the anonymity.
I've got 2 suggestions to choose from: 1. Learn to code and see for yourself if it's any good (my choice). 2. Hire someone to do it for you. Don't expect anyone to do it for you for free. That's our comparative advantage, and it's worth money. |
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This is standard practice amongst all respectable cryptocurrencies as was pointed out earlier. To give credit to people like Satoshi Nakamoto, Gavin Andresen, Hal Finney, Vertoe and many more. It is you who is making a fool of yourself. If the developer is indeed a class act he should acknowledge the great men who's shoulders he is standing on. Furthermore and more pragmatically it should make it much easier to review the code, which would increase confidence and therefore the price. I would think that as a CRAVE supporter you would welcome such a move, unless you are so blinded that you perceive all skepticism as being negative.
Everyone knows where the code comes from. This is old-style fud: rag on the lack of crediting. If you think the code doesn't adhere to the license say specifically where. If you are here to help and not just be a troll, put in a pull request. Right now, you look like an unprofessional troll and are clearly not earning your money. Go quote some code snippets and say how you think there is something wrong with it. That works better to make people sell. If I knew who your handler was, I'd send them a PM and tell them to withhold your $0.23 per post. And by the way, you are specifically not considered for employment in any of my fud projects. Get some new material. |
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I'm waiting for the dev to release the cutting edge LOGO design so we can go to the moon.
God, we have the greatest dev in the industry. #internetmagicalcoinwilldeliver
Lonely troll look  Pro troll. Everyone knows this. |
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I pmed the dev about this a few days ago, but haven't received any response, nor has anything been done about these, so I'm posting this here now hoping it'll get some answers. This is not the message I sent, this is reworded for general users who I don't expect to know much about the code. There are multiple things I've found in the code that seem like problems. In the masternode payment enforcement, the code for checking that masternodes are being paid is checking the wrong transaction. In btc(and pow coins like darkcoin which the code came from) the block reward is in the first transaction (vtx[0]), and in PoS forks like crave is, vtx[0] is always left empty and the block reward is in vtx[1]. It can be seen here https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2375 and https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2357 that the code was not updated to look in vtx[1], and continues to look at vtx[0]. It can also be seen a little higher up in the same function that the block verification does check that vtx[0] is empty https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.cpp#L2302 . Since block verification checks that vtx[0] is empty to even get to masternode payment verification, payment verification will never find an output to a masternode in that loop, and should reject all blocks, except it doesn't deadlock due to the next point. I have about 5 seconds to check this out, but vtx[1] is the marker for PoS in crave. https://github.com/industrialcoinmagic/crave/blob/master/src/main.h#L728If the rest of your analysis is equally flawed, I'd suggest to the community not to waste to much time worrying about it. [addendum]The second paragraph is flawed too. The first points to CBlock and the second to CTransaction. |
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Because people lost thousands and thousands of dollars. Two days ago the market cap here was over a mil i think? When you are number one on volume you affect everyone in crypto when it all disappears within 24 hours. Makes us all look bad especially when the community tries to play the blame game.
Okay, now you've made a "liar" out of me when I said I'm out. But since you sent me such a civil minded PM, I'm going to answer you here. Pump teams buy in low, find a good coin that is in the process of delivering, pump it, and sell into the pump. It has absolutely nothing to do with the dev. That's the nature of this market: volatility. I doubled my money with this coin on the way down because that's how I trade. I trade on volatility and that only happens on the dump. Pumps are pretty much straight up and I never touch them. Now I'm really out, I hope. |
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You are offtopic and now so am i so i warn you now to stop.
Yup, and now the threats. Another symptom of being totally out of juice. Do you need me to make a speling error to help you? What threat? You just lie lie lie. I quoted it. Why would you use the word "warn"? Man, you've derailed your own attempt at fudding. Anyway, all my buy orders finally filled. I'm out. Have fun. |
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You know all that isn't true you are just being a troll pos that you alway will be.
Cryptonote uses a different curve, different libraries, and a whole different underlying core.
Shadow uses ring signatures to spend Shadow, which is created by sending SDC as an anonymous output.
The scheme is quite a bit different, in that it borrows concepts from zerocoin, with the minting and spending, and use ring signatures to make the inputs untraceable from the outputs.. Shadow is also using PoS instead of PoW.
Its a completely unique scheme and implementation
Stealth addresses where not cloned form cryptonote the unique duel key addresses are Shadows. Shadow did not have vaporware at the same time xst had vaporware you are full of crap.
You are offtopic and now so am i so i warn you now to stop.
Yup, and now the threats. Another symptom of being totally out of juice. Do you need me to make a speling error to help you? If a post is off topic, just report it to the moderator. No need to make vague threats in public. I'm flattered that I get under your skin like this, but seriously if you are considering resorting to something that could compromise you later, then you need to take a step back from the keyboard. SDC has a unique combination of features found in other coins. If anything is new, it's the token idea "borrowed" from zerocoin. I think I've acknowledged the novelty of that idea as implemented in SDC. There's nothing to "expose" with CRAVE. A coin is a feature set. If the features are broken, then say so. But if nothing is broken, why spend so much energy on it except if you think the market cap of this coin is threatening the cap of your favorite? |
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I'm taking a little break and watching a movie, keeping up with the nonsense here is just draining  Adrenaline Surge update and APK update when I have refreshed my head and can think straight. You actually read this drivel? |
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its hard to discuss CRAVE in this thread.
It's a meta-convo. We are discussing the discussion of a discussion about crave. |
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wow you guys are just talking yourself in circles....we get it.....you guys want to argue about nothing..how about you all go play a video game and relax for a bit and come back happy
No dude, everyone posting has an agenda. Even me. Please remember that. |
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lies lies lies what part of offtopic is it that you retards don't understand.
Posting that something is offtopic is offtopic. Your turn. |
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Your comeback is that I made a grammatical mistake. You might want to take the next few months to clean up your own posts.
And it is actually coattails. I put a space...you left out a letter. mmmmk?
When they are down to scrutinizing your spelling, you know they have ran out of juice. |
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But I do remember L&S in xst warning people. I was even there yelling at him to stop which you can see my post history. But when he sees a scam, he goes for the neck. At the time I hedged my sdc risk with xst so that was ANOTHER painful lesson to me (I fell for Cloak's vapor as well). I respect the guy for that though. He doesn't hold punches. I will freely admit that I dumped at 800k 100 crave that I had when I saw the train run out of moon juice. Whoever was pumping was only pushing a couple BTC towards your peak. I had nothing to do with the pump. As previously stated, I just noticed the trend and warned people and played very small amounts in the upswing. I wish I could have reversed the trend earlier, and even tried a couple times, because you guys would have had a steady price to land on or at least it wouldn't have been this bad. But I failed and it went to 800k because someone pumped it with about 1000btc. No one is out to get you Troublesome. The only conspiracy here was the one that was freely admitted during the event sourced below. Again, I am sorry for your losses because I have been there as you can see in my post history from cloak. I am definitely not a "SDC bot" Yaremi. Respect. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=997356.msg11046669;topicseen#msg11046669 If you lost money on any coin "exposed" by longandshort, you lost money because a pump team dumped their coin at about the same time he was fudding. Fud happens all the time in these threads as you will see. It's coincidence when the pump team dumps as a fud team trolls, except when they are one in the same. SDC advertised vaporware at the same time as XST, XC, and half a dozen other coins advertised vapor ware. And did any of them deliver anything new? No. Don't give credit here. Longandshort has an agenda and it's definitely not about saving the little guy. He's usually fudding during a dump because he's usually fudding and every coin gets dumped, even SDC. |
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This thread and in fact this forum is a fucking joke. Mods deleting posts from people like vertoe for no reason and even banning people who are posting on topic, yet swarms of trolls and sock puppets have free reign.
Trolls you're hilarious. Trying to say your posting under the veil of 'helping newbies not get scammed' hahaha do me a favor. Any of you have made money trading these coins have taken some poor newbies money, this shit is a zero sum game, less in fact due to exchange fee so don't give it that bullshit.
You really think you're sdc/xmr/dash/*insert other alt* is ever going to be used in the real world, hahaha, comical. Everyone is here to just make more money (fiat and btc at a push) so stop trying to play the good Samaritan you look like a bellend.
Something fishy is going on, I've never seen an alt thread spammed so relentlessly and have mods deleting on topic posts. Probably ban me for uncovering it as well so see if I give a fuck.
*oh and before someone says bagholder blah blah blah. My cost basis on this coin is about -15btc due to mining and selling near the top. Ill be buying back in once the reason its being fudded so hard becomes clear*
Dont you think its a little strange how while all this bull shit goes on mn are increasing sell orders are vanishing. Someone dumped this to 68k sats for a reason and have all the paid trolls working in this thread for a reason. Dare I say it, to try and make the coin look dead while quietly buying up a shit load of the supply.
Can this post be made sticky on the front page of bitcointalk, because it is as true as if written by an omniscient oracle from Greek epic poetry. make sure you screen shot it dude cause when bitcointalk gets done kissing sdc ass they are going to delete! I'm thinking to myself, if I controlled this forum, I could tune the conversation to move prices any way I see fit. |
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