Same ol' same ol'. Your intelligence suck. Please make us a favor and read the last few pages of this thread.
"Throw enough mud at the wall, some of it will stick." ^^^^Perfect example.
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Big red candle? Come on, it can't go lower than 16k. The only people selling right now are miners. Wait 3-4 weeks and there will be reward reduction. Incentive rewards are still rising + we have a great roadmap. Who would sell it now(besides miners)? When you are looking for a coin to invest some money, you can't really find anything better than vnl.
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And asking this question again and again spreads the lie.
I get it. But don't then clear answers to such questions spread the truth and counter the lie? Throw enough mud at the wall, some of it will stick.
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Usually I don't post things like this but VNL and Peercoin are similar in some way. Both are not clones of Bitcoin. Market conditions were totally different, that's probably why VNL is now ~10x cheaper than Peercoin at that moment.
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If you haven't read the code or have no understanding learn and research before accusing.
repeating the same non-facts and expecting some result. Probably I missed the point in time when asking questions became the same thing as "accusing" and "repeating facts". Can't keep up with the times I think it doesn't require much expertise to examine the code for license violations but it takes time and effort. That's the exact reason for me asking about this. I didn't find a clear answer on the forum so I was expecting someone who already knows the truth will tell me. I can see this is a somewhat sensitive question for you guys but don't get me wrong. As a VNL holder I'm concerned about any potential problems this project can face and I'm not trying to obstruct it in any way. For now I can summarize your answers as "We neither admit nor deny this. Anyway, you won't find anything. And even if you find something you won't prove it." Correct me if I'm wrong. 1. John wrote all of the code by himself and that's basically the answer for your questions. 2. You need a lot of money, time and effort to examine it for license violations. Only ignorant could think that all what it takes is to compare two snippets of code and take an analysis made by some 10 yo wannabe dev as a truth. 3. You can write everything you want about any cryptocurrency, especially here on bitcointalk. That's why some people are sensitive, because it's easy to spread the lies, but it's 10 times harder to straight them up. And asking this question again and again spreads the lie. 4. It's really a matter of common sense. All of the accusations are related to some not important, most basic methods. He was able to create zero-time, but you really think he had to copy-paste simpliest code and run it throught reformatter(or how is it called?)? Is something like this even under license, while it's a common knowledge and everyone can do this without looking at bitcoin code(and obviously it will look similar)?
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Will VNL become fully anonymous after darkpp release?
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So this thread is really a bitshares, vanilla, emunie circle jerk.
Op grow so balls, the original idea of a speed test is good, your execution of it sucks. Why not start some testing already.
It's all about money. He is not going to start testing untill there will be some contestants. But it's pretty obvious it is going to be a circle jerk, there is nothing bad about it. Some cryptos are obviously faster than the other ones, that's why there will only be few contestants(if any, but that's because of entry fee). On the other hand this is probably a lot of work so there should be a reward for the tester. 0.2 BTC Entry Fee and a pay-back BTC address. (The winner gets back his/her entry fee.) Pay to 1C6nd36KSm6sqAhjEFqd91nNpJkq4sVEUL. PM me links to the entry items and the BTC timestamp of payment.
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who needs research when we can just assume willy nilly...
You mean like all the VNL shills assume that zerotime is actually safe ? It very well may be, I'm not saying it's not. It's just it seems to me that most people who follow VNL aren't all that well versed and just believe whatever john-connor throws at them. You can say that about every coin and every community because people believe to what developers say. But you can check vnl's code and try to hack it. Apparently - easier said than done. Your post proves how easy it is to manipulate people. Why anyone should believe you, or me? I would rather believe a skilled person, who can deliever the technology(and it works), rather than some random guy at forum who can't programm. Indeed you can. I just used VNL as an example because binarygangster seemed to be supportive of it. I would rather believe a skilled person as well. How do you recognise such a skilled person on this forum ? On this forum? It's a reasonable thing to not listen to people on this forum. But when the new ANN topic pops out and you are an investor you are going to make a decision - you are in or out. And when you saw a lot of Legendary and Hero Members spamming other coins topics, trying to hurt other coins because they have their own agenda you can't really trust no one. If I see the dev who delivered innovative, one of a kind tech, who should I trust? The developer or some random guy(even with a legendary rank) at the forum? If this tech was reviewed and clearly works very well it's a no-brainer. But ok, I don't want to argue, because it's off-topic. Let the best crypto win.
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who needs research when we can just assume willy nilly...
You mean like all the VNL shills assume that zerotime is actually safe ? It very well may be, I'm not saying it's not. It's just it seems to me that most people who follow VNL aren't all that well versed and just believe whatever john-connor throws at them. You can say that about every coin and every community because people believe to what developers say. But you can check vnl's code and try to hack it. Apparently - easier said than done. Your post proves how easy it is to manipulate people. Why anyone should believe you, or me? I would rather believe a skilled person, who can deliever the technology(and it works), rather than some random guy at forum who can't programm.
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I see that the coin is now damaged by some of the hero members and I take that as part of the coin war. But it does allow to accumulate for these great prices.
I think it has nothing to do with the trolls. It can be probably caused by mining farms using private optimized miners whose mining cost is way lower than current price. In this case this "suppression" won't end until there's a single buy order on exchanges. any proof to back that up? That's just the most logical explanation. No point in creating conspiracy theories. Block rewards are still high and miners are constantly dumping the coins. Hopefully incentive rewards will change that.
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you don't need any collateral for another week or three, kicks-in @ blk 220,000, i think. and i'd like to understand why the amount is so high also. Mammoth and Supercoin have decentralized coin mixers, colatteral for that system is 500 coin.
wait, what? We can just use an empty wallet as a superpeer at the moment? At the moment we don't have master nodes. ... collateral has nothing to do with that centralized version of cap You don't need any collateral to become a superpeer, but you need it to collect the reward(I might be wrong).
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IMO Monero guys are so pissed, because we took them a lot of potential investors (look at monero chart). My advice for MONERO community sell part of your coins and buy Vanilla, after you earn a lot of money on VNL you can rebuy XMR at lower price. What are you talking about? VNL's tiny volume is a trivial 11 BTC and the price is getting #REKT because it's a pump-and-dump scam. OTOH, XMR's volume is 300 BTC, and prices have been very stable at ~fiddy cents for many months. The only "potential investors" VNL took are n00b kids who click on faucets all day and can't tell that VNL is a scam with code stolen from Bitcoin. You just embarassing yourself. Keep posting, I'm going to get my popcorn, cause this shit is funny. Legendary member posting like a child(now I'm sure it is sold, sockpuppet troll account). You are comparing two year old(?) project - XMR with few months old VNL. Are you stupid or what? If anyone has any doubts, just look at the XMR chart. It was in -500% downtrend in the past. But it doesn't mean that something is wrong with the coin or technology itself. For VNL this is just the beginning.
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Smooth and his army of sockpuppet accounts(aka ZeroCommiters) to the rescue of crypto-world. LOL There's certainly structural similarities Nope there is no similarities, VNL is a fricking car, not a cryptocurrency. How can there be similarities?
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VNL 400 Githup commits vs smooth ?. VNL solves every major currency problem in crypto vs smooth solves .... nothing TKO VNL wins +1 when it comes to VNL vs smooth VNL wins hands down. In fact there is more code written per week in VNL than Smooth has ever written. whether or not John should post aknowledgement of Bitcoin in the wallet is between John, and those that hold the licensing of Bitcoin.... smooth has nothing to do with the licensing of Bitcoin, and his evidence should be directed towards the original coders of Bitcoin to have them review his allegations. although I highly doubt that any of the original coders are going to come on here and make a stink about it, going public with who they are. so the licensing is pretty much just smoke and mirrors at this point, you need a legal body to be able to chase someone around about licensing issues. I dont see that his competence as a developer is being questioned , more a ethical issue mabe. No need to take anything up with Bicoin as the licencing agreement is written for laments to understand. He is in no position to accuse John for unethical behaviour or theft. He obviously has his own agenda(against vnl). With that in mind his judgement just can't be taken seriously. I replied earlier that it's common knowledge. It doesn't take any special skills to write those methods. Smooth knows I'm right. I dare him to rewrite those methods. Guess what's going to happen... You'll see very similar outcome to John's. Logical fallacies. Smooth's perceived character/behavior does not invalidate his argument. Seriously, all of the counterarguments of the OP have been logical fallacies and completely irrelevant. No, you just can't prove that the license has been broken. Or I should say that any license APPLIES here. The way he behaves should be treated as a sign for every user to not take his words seriously.
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VNL 400 Githup commits vs smooth ?. VNL solves every major currency problem in crypto vs smooth solves .... nothing TKO VNL wins +1 when it comes to VNL vs smooth VNL wins hands down. In fact there is more code written per week in VNL than Smooth has ever written. whether or not John should post aknowledgement of Bitcoin in the wallet is between John, and those that hold the licensing of Bitcoin.... smooth has nothing to do with the licensing of Bitcoin, and his evidence should be directed towards the original coders of Bitcoin to have them review his allegations. although I highly doubt that any of the original coders are going to come on here and make a stink about it, going public with who they are. so the licensing is pretty much just smoke and mirrors at this point, you need a legal body to be able to chase someone around about licensing issues. I dont see that his competence as a developer is being questioned , more a ethical issue mabe. No need to take anything up with Bicoin as the licencing agreement is written for laments to understand. He is in no position to accuse John for unethical behaviour or theft. He obviously has his own agenda(against vnl). With that in mind his judgement just can't be taken seriously. I replied earlier that it's common knowledge. It doesn't take any special skills to write those methods. Smooth knows I'm right. I dare him to rewrite those methods. Guess what's going to happen... You'll see very similar outcome to John's.
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These few lines of code which they are claiming are stolen - this is a common knowledge for every dev who has any idea about programming cryptocurrencies. There is no point in rewriting it. You don't have to be a genius to make those methods, for god's sake. It will always look similar.
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WheatClove
There is just no point in writing this method in any other way. What would be your code to achieve this desirable functionality? I remember apple's patent war, when they tried to patent slide to unlock. That's the court's verdict: "This user-friendly display was already suggested by the state of the art."
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Don`t make me believe that spamming is the only thing VNL dev can do. Instead of producing substantial arguments in your coin`s favor, you begin spamming? I don't believe that false accusations are the only thing other devs can do... They can't code zero time that's for sure. You can accuse anyone for anything. That's why we have courts to prove that someone is guilty. If you are certain that he broke the law then go and inform the police... What are you waiting for... oh wait I agree - if a law has been broken (you haven't even established in which jurisdiction yet?) then you should report it to the police or engage a lawyer for a professional opinion. In fact I will report it to the bitcoin police on reddit for you The legality of it doesn't really matter. In the open source, free software community, this type of behavior is incredibly immoral. It's not a fucking free for all, there are community standards to be upheld from an ethics standpoint. The simple fact that john-connor claimed to have written the entire Vanillacoin source from scratch means he has committed fraud. Why you would trust a developer like this is beyond me. Regardless of his ability to develop software, his inability to engage in ethical practices is a huge red flag. Yet he has already built a following of sheep trying to ride his coattail to monetary gain. Yeaah, now legality doesn't matter. So what matters more? If he commited a fraud(fraud is illegal, but it doesn't matter?) as you claim, you should report it. If my competitors would stole intellectual property and took my market share I would fight against it. But not by hanging a large banner "company x is stealing intellectual property" on my own company's headquarters like xmr and other devs are doing(you can go to jail for something like this). It's plain stupid, trolling, or unfair competition what you are doing. You can't prove shit, but you are still attacking. Someone is stealing money from the bank, I'm going to post on his facebook that he is a thief but I'm not going to call the police because he wasn't stealing. Fuck logic What I am doing? I'm arguing my opinion which has factual merit. I don't need to report any activity to any authority in order for my arguments to be valid and strong. I can write here that you are a liar, my opinion has factual merit, because you are lying that John stole bitcoin's code. You are wrong, your arguments are not strong and valid. Anyone can write whatever he wants. It really takes a lot more to prove that someone stole code than stupid post on bitcointalk... You seem to not understand that simple fact.
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Don`t make me believe that spamming is the only thing VNL dev can do. Instead of producing substantial arguments in your coin`s favor, you begin spamming? I don't believe that false accusations are the only thing other devs can do... They can't code zero time that's for sure. You can accuse anyone for anything. That's why we have courts to prove that someone is guilty. If you are certain that he broke the law then go and inform the police... What are you waiting for... oh wait I agree - if a law has been broken (you haven't even established in which jurisdiction yet?) then you should report it to the police or engage a lawyer for a professional opinion. In fact I will report it to the bitcoin police on reddit for you The legality of it doesn't really matter. In the open source, free software community, this type of behavior is incredibly immoral. It's not a fucking free for all, there are community standards to be upheld from an ethics standpoint. The simple fact that john-connor claimed to have written the entire Vanillacoin source from scratch means he has committed fraud. Why you would trust a developer like this is beyond me. Regardless of his ability to develop software, his inability to engage in ethical practices is a huge red flag. Yet he has already built a following of sheep trying to ride his coattail to monetary gain. Yeaah, now legality doesn't matter. So what matters more? If he commited a fraud(fraud is illegal, but it doesn't matter?) as you claim, you should report it. If my competitors would stole intellectual property and took my market share I would fight against it. But not by hanging a large banner "company x is stealing intellectual property" on my own company's headquarters like xmr and other devs are doing(you can go to jail for something like this). It's plain stupid, trolling, or unfair competition what you are doing. You can't prove shit, but you are still attacking. Someone is stealing money from the bank, I'm going to post on his facebook that he is a thief but I'm not going to call the police because he wasn't stealing. Fuck logic
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Don`t make me believe that spamming is the only thing VNL dev can do. Instead of producing substantial arguments in your coin`s favor, you begin spamming? I don't believe that false accusations are the only thing other devs can do... They can't code zero time that's for sure. You can accuse anyone for anything. That's why we have courts to prove that someone is guilty. If you are certain that he broke the law then go and inform the police... What are you waiting for... oh wait
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