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301  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: He's back! on: December 19, 2013, 01:31:51 PM
LOL, don't know why you guys take him seriously, the guy is hilarious.
302  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why should I use Bitcoin instead of Paypal? on: December 18, 2013, 11:19:09 PM
Hmm... Comparing a U.S. based business which primarily holds a currency at a razor thin safety margin which is going to inevitably crash to a decentralized state of the art Bitcoin, sounds legit.

Plus I was straight up robbed by Paypal, the seller claimed he shipped, then I contacted them when I found out he didn't, they told me to wait 10 days, I have waited 10 days, contacted them again and they told me that it's too late to reverse the transaction. Lost 400$.
303  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I wish people would talk less about price. on: December 18, 2013, 10:46:12 PM
I hope that all ya'll speculators would sell your BTC so the price goes down to 1$ then I'll buy all of it.
304  Economy / Speculation / Re: Predictions on: December 18, 2013, 11:29:14 AM
475$ people
305  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Citizens United: Money is Free Speech.Could we sue for the right to use Bitcoin? on: December 18, 2013, 11:26:52 AM
You are about as free as North Korea. Your owners let you roam free at your fields, give you medicare, opportunities and jobs but your final destination is the slaughter house.

Not true. We roam with guns. Take that North Korea! USA:1 NKOREA:0.

But the only reason you roam with guns is because it is profitable for your owners to allow you to roam with guns.

Bang! MyUSALOGICWITHGUNS:1 YOURLOGICWITHOUT:0

No seriously. I'm being silly because your comment was stupid. I understand the idea of economic serfdom but there is a difference between the USA and North Korea that even the dumbest among us would acknowledge.

Why don't you read the Citizens United case- you might find it interesting, and potentially contribute with something of value to this thread.

To be blunt I would prefer the USA to be like NK. No spying or assassinating people abroad, no invading foreign countries, no false flag operations, no eugenics programs, no manipulating politics, no "mah democracy", as a foreigner it would benefit me more than the way you're currently are, and who cares about what is happening INSIDE your country anyways?
306  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Citizens United: Money is Free Speech.Could we sue for the right to use Bitcoin? on: December 17, 2013, 11:39:39 PM
You are about as free as North Korea. Your owners let you roam free at your fields, give you medicare, opportunities and jobs but your final destination is the slaughter house.

Not true. We roam with guns. Take that North Korea! USA:1 NKOREA:0.

But the only reason you roam with guns is because it is profitable for your owners to allow you to roam with guns.
307  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Citizens United: Money is Free Speech.Could we sue for the right to use Bitcoin? on: December 17, 2013, 11:14:32 PM
You are about as free as North Korea. Your owners let you roam free at your fields, give you medicare, opportunities and jobs but your final destination is the slaughter house.
308  Economy / Currency exchange / Looking for BTC on: December 17, 2013, 06:35:34 PM
I am looking to buy BTC for Paypal yet again. Usually do mt gox prices, PM me.
309  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is there no Bitcoin day? on: December 16, 2013, 08:57:10 PM
I guess we could mark 2 days as Bitcoin day  Tongue
310  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Why is there no Bitcoin day? on: December 15, 2013, 10:00:20 PM
A rather simple question, we have days for much less important causes, why no Bitcoin day? Wouldn't it be appropriate to mark the 6th of November as Bitcoin day for example?
311  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The propaganda of artificial intelligence on: December 12, 2013, 02:14:14 PM
...You can exactly imitate a neuron in software, so you implement a neuron using old 1950s punched card type machines.  ...

This assumption is flat-out wrong. We can actually simulate some properties of neuron (or anything else for that matter), but we simply can't simulate some physical real-world processes (part of which we probably don't yet know). And this is principal limitation of this reality which would require real experiment and would fail any simulation. That's why I was proposing to plant artificial "live" neurons next to the real ones...
How could you build something that works out of some parts you do not understand, then?

We do it everyday really. We don't know many things that are happening at subatomic level but this doesn't prevent us from building ships and cars which consist of those subatomic particles. People began using electricity without ever knowing about electrons...

And it may not actually work after all. That's why we carry out experiments

So we reach the conclusion that the only known path to consciousness is the natural path e.g. the human brain, which would be more related to biology rather than computers, perhaps an artificially grown brain hooked up to a machine which is still something humanity is unlikely to see.
312  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The propaganda of artificial intelligence on: December 10, 2013, 07:33:38 PM
Assume for a moment that we can make artificial neurons that would be functionally identical to natural ones, and then we begin to gradually substitute neurons in brain with them. If consciousness would be preserved, then yes, the answer to your question is positive...

It would be hard enough to simulate a single neuron, let alone billions of them on the same scale is impossible (and illogical).

I'm not talking about simulation, you seem to have entirely missed my point. I speak about artificial neurons that would be functionally identical to our own. Actually, we don't even need to place them physically into the brain...

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It would be hard enough to emulate a single neuron, let alone billions of them on the same scale is impossible (and illogical).

It's not hard - cockroaches do it all the time.
Nature can do it.
My parents did it when they produced me - so it's technically possible to create neurons.
No need to emulate them - just make them


If you would be using neurons identical to our own then you wouldn't be creating anything, you'd be leaving most of the work to nature and creating human beings rather than robots (or biological robots at the very least)
313  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The propaganda of artificial intelligence on: December 10, 2013, 06:08:03 PM
in other words he is essentially an illusion of AI rather than an actual AI.
The term "AI" doesn't mean it has to be a self-aware consciousness. He is an AI, and a rather good one at that. However, he is not a "strong AI", which is what you are talking about. But that doesn't mean it's impossible to design a machine with strong AI. I think it is possible and if we're lucky we will get to see it within our life time. Your point about having the ability to understand abstract concepts and develop new concepts is right on the money. When we have a machine which doesn't just regurgitate scripted phrases, and instead puts together its own phrases based on internal conceptual models which are dynamically updated by the machine as it learns new information, then we will be on the path to having true strong AI.

The term "Artificial intelligence" contains the word "intelligence" which is perhaps not the best word to use to describe that machine then.

It now appears that Facebook has joined Google in the race of AI, am I the only one who is tired of all the psuedo-intellectuals nerdgasming in interviews with their wild imagination which doesn't have any basis in reality?

The real headlines should read "Facebook has joined Google in the race of propaganda" because that's what it is, a non biological computer never has and never will achieve an intelligence higher of a cockroach, let alone of a human being capable of reason and thought, it reminds me of Apple and their "revolutionary technologies" as well as of the sheer ignorance of the crowd as they applaud a robot that has been scripted to perform multiple sequence of moves by a bunch of chinese liars.

Do you believe in a future predicted by sci-fi? Do you believe that one day you could philosophize with a robot?

Assume for a moment that we can make artificial neurons that would be functionally identical to natural ones, and then we begin to gradually substitute neurons in brain with them. If consciousness would be preserved, then yes, the answer to your question is positive...



It would be hard enough to simulate a single neuron, let alone billions of them on the same scale is impossible (and illogical).
314  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paypal says (David Marcus): Bitcoin is good on: December 10, 2013, 02:57:16 PM
They will never adopt BTC, at best they will create their own cryptocurrency which will be centralized/tracable/taxable etc
315  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The propaganda of artificial intelligence on: December 10, 2013, 02:55:25 PM
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Do you believe that one day you could philosophize with a robot?
This is one of the most impressive conversational robots I've ever seen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIWWLg4wLEY

Hanson Robotics seem to be leading the way in this area of technology.

My point exactly, 99% of the robots conversations have been scripted, he may pick up a word or two occasionally but overall it is nothing more than a piece of plastic with a bunch of fancy prop wires. He cannot understand or implement new concepts, he is only capable of swapping one word for another, in other words he is essentially an illusion of AI rather than an actual AI.
316  Other / Politics & Society / The propaganda of artificial intelligence on: December 10, 2013, 12:33:55 PM
It now appears that Facebook has joined Google in the race of AI, am I the only one who is tired of all the psuedo-intellectuals nerdgasming in interviews with their wild imagination which doesn't have any basis in reality?

The real headlines should read "Facebook has joined Google in the race of propaganda" because that's what it is, a non biological computer never has and never will achieve an intelligence higher of a cockroach, let alone of a human being capable of reason and thought, it reminds me of Apple and their "revolutionary technologies" as well as of the sheer ignorance of the crowd as they applaud a robot that has been scripted to perform multiple sequence of moves by a bunch of chinese liars.

Do you believe in a future predicted by sci-fi? Do you believe that one day you could philosophize with a robot?
317  Economy / Speculation / Re: Predictions on: December 07, 2013, 09:36:11 AM
bump
318  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Depressed that I was not an early adopter on: November 29, 2013, 01:38:22 PM
I am depressed that I was actually an early adopter but wasn't strong willed enough to NOT be persuaded by skeptics to ditch BTC at the time, skeptics always had existed and at the time watching a video about an (educated) Yale/Harvard economics dumbass could easily convince me (a bit of little me - big me dilemma there) to ditch the whole Bitcoin thing.

I guess other early adopters that gave Bitcoin support deserve every penny they made, if they don't then who does deserves the payment for their contribution to humanity? Politicians? Police? Startup SEOs? All their roles are far more minor than those of early adopters.
319  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the worthless bitcoin/litecoin debate on: November 29, 2013, 01:30:24 PM
Give me one altcoin which has significant improvements over BTC and not just a fork with a name change and I'll promote it.
320  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cracking the Code on: November 29, 2013, 09:50:39 AM
Could someone explain in layperson terms why it is not possible to figure out a key to solve all future hashes or blocks and create bitcoins at will?

Not sure if I phrased my question correctly but hopefully you know what I mean.

The tl;dr version is that the algorithms require so much processing that it is impossible to crack them due to the limits of thermodynamics (since energy cannot travel faster than light) so it is currently impossible to crack, and never will be impossible to crack, even when quantum computer emerge it would still remain on the realm of fantasy, even if someone would build a computer the size of earth it would take them millions of years to come close.
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