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301  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] DividendRippler.com Beta Testing on: April 21, 2013, 02:01:44 PM
I was about to do it, but I gave up. Wasn't comfortable with the risks and these IOU(I owe you?). I don't like to owe people!

You don't 'owe' us anything! When you hold DR IOUs, DR owes you.
302  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] DividendRippler.com Beta Testing on: April 21, 2013, 02:00:16 PM
I was about to do it, but I gave up. Wasn't comfortable with the risks and these IOU(I owe you?). I don't like to owe people!

But he owes me now Smiley

I guess I'd disagree that 1 XRP is too steep.

Payment sent!
BTC: 0.006 (ce10951aca) LTC: 0.885 (aede2b175a ) TRC: 4.974 (c6872afc47)

Well, I was assuming you were just using it to confirm ownership of the ripple account, in which case a 0.00001 would be equally effective.  But if you want to use it as an opportunity to make a profit perhaps label it as a charge or registration fee just to be clear.

Love the concept though, thanks for the freebies..

The "Movement table" was quite handy to show me that I also needed to trust you for LTC and TRC..

One question, when you want to issue me some BTC iou I can see you sent the actual BTC to a seperate BTC address on its own.. how come? wouldnt it be easier for you to not move the BTC and just issue the IOU?

You are correct, any amount of XRP would do. In fact there is a social engineering angle to using exactly 1.000 XRP. It may be changed to a smaller, random amount.

In the OP, I did list the 1 XRP as a fee.

Why am I sending 'real BTC' for IOUs? One point of the giveaway is to show how to get funds into ripple. Anyone can send to your personal issue addresses for ripple credit.
303  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] DividendRippler.com Beta Testing on: April 21, 2013, 01:54:27 PM
rMuQNFJ7ivpCEFufBxHFKwK16V5SLH8xo8

Whoops. Not set up. You'll need to hit register then send 1 XRP to the address to prove you own it. Once you get Issue Addresses, you are set up (that is where I will send the coins)
304  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] DividendRippler.com Beta Testing on: April 21, 2013, 01:52:03 PM
rJvjv77uwVPTEM5AjeRKU9g4hyKmYyg186

BTC: 0.001 (f3c4110117) LTC: 0.23 (249be1ef01 ) TRC: 10.396 (17baa12368)
305  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] DividendRippler.com Beta Testing on: April 21, 2013, 01:48:55 PM
I have finished connecting to DR, my ripple is:

rsiJxqi8dQMP5pGjtw7ayZegKxPinyMrhf


Sent!
BTC: 0.004 (c4321541b7) LTC: 1.622 (30c176bb03 ) TRC: 0.873 (a6834227c0)
306  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] DividendRippler.com Beta Testing on: April 21, 2013, 01:45:21 PM
Registered with rwuBdVnkA9keuCCWdFwRCcmE2rKvkUJppf

1XRP is a little steep though.. couldn't you achieve the same confirmation/registration with a 0.00001XRP transfer Smiley

I guess I'd disagree that 1 XRP is too steep.

Payment sent!
BTC: 0.006 (ce10951aca) LTC: 0.885 (aede2b175a ) TRC: 4.974 (c6872afc47)
307  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [GIVEAWAY] DividendRippler.com Beta Testing on: April 21, 2013, 01:05:44 PM
ripple.com/wallet seems to be down for me.

I'm able to connect to my ripple wallet.
308  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / [GIVEAWAY] DividendRippler.com Beta Testing on: April 21, 2013, 12:52:39 PM
Giving away ~$5 worth of BTC/LTC/TRC (mixed, our choice) to the first 100 replies. Ripple haters welcome.

To participate:

1) Set up your ripple address on the DividendRippler.com site.  DividendRippler OP
2) Post/PM your ripple address after registering on the site.
3) We will send specie payments of BTC / LTC / TRC to the issue addresses. I'll reply with the tx(s). Total will be ~$5 worth. Our choice what to send, you get what you get.

edit: ** Forgot to mention ** You will need to trust DividendRippler.com for an amount greater than what I send. If this happens, you'll need to flag the server to try it again by sending an XRP.

Do whatever you wish with the coins - trade them, deposit in bitstamp, or just withdraw them. To trade them in ripple, the issuing address will need to be DividendRippler.com (rfYv1TXnwgDDK4WQNbFALykYuEBnrR4pDX). But payments should just ripple through the system, if a path is found.

We'd like to get responses about the user experience, and of course any bugs.

To be eligible:
* Must have at least +32 posts to qualify.
* Only 1 giveaway per ripple address per user.

** To clear up some confusion: We have called this an 'anonymous' gateway. By anonymous, we don't mean a mixer. Anonymous means no username & password needed to use the gateway.
309  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DividendRippler.com Anonymous BTC/LTC/TRC Ripple Gateway on: April 20, 2013, 07:29:52 PM
Either I did something wrong, or it didn't work for me.... First it told me to try again later (something was offline, I don't remember the exact error message)...  I pressed back and tried again... Now it says "Registration is pending confirmation" and asks for 1 xrp  (though I am pretty sure I've sent it).

It also shows some Issue Addresses and says that Redemption Addresses are "none" (though I specified them).

Btw, what is Issue Addresses?


Thanks for testing it out. The "try again later" message was probably just a warning that all processing was a few seconds old. I'm trying to understand the workflow, you entered your ripple address in the search bar. From there, you had the option to enter a BTC/LTC/TRC address (not necessary if you don't want to redeem IOUs in DR). Hitting 'register' should prompt you to send 1 XRP to the dividend rippler address with ?dt=1.

You may be all set up. If you see issue addresses, then you definitely are set up! An issue address is how you create a DR IOU in your ripple address. Sending to that address gives you ripple credits. Sending from ripple to DR's ripple address destroys the IOU and you will receive funds at the redemption addresses.

Feel free to PM/post your ripple address and I'll check to see.
310  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Ripple: A Distributed Exchange for Bitcoin on: April 20, 2013, 02:21:21 PM
Question: The Ripple payment network works with any currency.  Supposedly, the ripple currency (XRPs) are limited to a fixed amount of 100 billion coins.  What is there to prevent Ripple from issuing more batches of coins as separate currencies any time they feel like it (XRP 2.0, XRP 3.0, etc)?  This has the same problem with Bitcoin and its derivatives.  It is not backed by a scarce commodity, and therefore can be endlessly duplicated (inflation).

Right now, nothing other than OpenCoin having a bad reputation. When decentralized though, I believe it would take a consensus. Much like a consensus would be needed to increase btc to more than 21 million coins.
311  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Ripple: A Distributed Exchange for Bitcoin on: April 20, 2013, 12:59:35 PM
Ripple on the other hand actually and literally prints their own money.

Do you think this bitcoin rally is due to people printing up their own money in ripple, depositing it in bitstamp and buying bitcoins?

That statement is false. This is like saying I write $100 on an index card and expect to use it to purchase goods.
312  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple Gateway List on: April 20, 2013, 01:16:39 AM
Please add to list: BTC / LTC / TRC ripple gateway: DividendRippler.com - Anonymous ripple gateway

https://www.dividendrippler.com
313  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] DividendRippler.com Create Assets & Pay Dividends in ripple on: April 19, 2013, 05:46:05 PM
Oh! I see. So you are acting as an escrow / holding agent for the securities. The ripple address you create is specific to the security, and it has its own IOUs which represents shares. Cool!


ripple makes it easy Smiley
314  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] DividendRippler.com Create Assets & Pay Dividends in ripple on: April 19, 2013, 05:29:24 PM
This looks really cool but to be honest...I don't understand very much of it at all! How is this used? How does it know when a BTC payment comes in what the associated Ripple address is? Where's the interface on the web page to "send" the payment (i.e. associate the specie address with the Ripple address)? Help!


Simple and complex at the same time. I know you're familiar with ripple.

Someone comes to us and requests to issue an asset. We create a ripple address for them, needed so we can control the amount of shares outstanding. You don't want the issuer to issue another 1000 shares while you sleep. In the case of TBL, that person was issued 100 shares, assume for this case it was rLDDq8ZGhCaVBP8MyYTifhCJzgWPQBjwpt, but it doesn't have to be a current owner. He then distributed them as shown below (75%, 15% and 10%).

This is a snapshot taken for this post from the asset link, the asset holders can change at anytime, and updated in real-time!



Suppose the company wants to pay out a 2 BTC dividend. By submitting 2.000 BTC to 1HY2oZop..., all current asset holders will get a pro-rated amount of those BTC. So, rLDDq8z... would get 75% of the 2.000 BTC, and so on down the line. If the dividend was in LTC, the payment should be made to the LTC address.

315  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] DividendRippler.com Anonymous BTC/LTC/TRC Ripple Gateway on: April 19, 2013, 04:31:11 PM

I want to stress that it is important to name rfYv1TXnwgDDK4WQNbFALykYuEBnrR4pDX as "DividendRippler.com". This is due to the fact that XRP sent from your ripple address changes our servers. A 3rd party may convince you to send 1 XRP to "his" address, when really he is changing your account information.
316  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / [ANN] DividendRippler.com Anonymous BTC/LTC/TRC/NMC Ripple Gateway on: April 19, 2013, 04:03:11 PM
I’m pleased to announce DividendRippler.com (DR), an anonymous ripple gateway. The gateway’s function is to create and destroy ripple IOUs on demand. No logins or passwords. Not described in this post, but DR will also create and maintain custom listed and unlisted assets by users (link)

“Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler.” – Albert Einstein

The gateway is simple:
•   DR ties one of its own BTC/LTC/TRC addresses to each ripple address. IOUs are created and sent to your ripple account when specie payment comes to these addresses.
•   Similarly, DR ties your BTC/LTC/TRC addresses to a ripple address. When an IOU is sent to DR’s ripple address (using the assigned destination tag), the IOU is destroyed and specie payment is made to your client.

First time setup:
•   Add the contact ‘rfYv1TXnwgDDK4WQNbFALykYuEBnrR4pDX’ to the ripple wallet,  named “DividendRippler.com”
•   Trust DividendRippler.com for the currencies in the amount you wish to use. (BTC, LTC and TRC).
•   Enter your ripple receiving address (r…) into the search bar on the DividendRippler.com website.
•   Enter BTC/LTC/TRC addresses you wish to have specie payments returned. You don’t have to enter all 3 at this time; they can be added / edited later.
•   Clicking ‘register’ will lock edit functions for 5 minutes. During this time, you must send 1 XRP to rfYv1TXnwgDDK4WQNbFALykYuEBnrR4pDX?dt=1 from the ripple address requesting changes. If this is not done, the edit will fail.
•   Take note of your account number (destination tag), this is what you will need to get specie payment.

Issuing an IOU:
•   Send specie payment to the address created by DR for the given ripple address. These addresses will not change, so feel free to give it out to others to receive payments.
•   6 confirms required for all chains.
•   Once confirmed, the IOU will be issued in the ripple address.
•   If there was not enough trust for the IOU, the status will change to ‘error’. Give adequate trust and then flag the server to try again by sending 1 XRP to rfYv1TXnwgDDK4WQNbFALykYuEBnrR4pDX?dt=1. You won’t get your XRP back.

Redeeming an IOU:
•   Send the IOU back to DR’s ripple address (rfYv1TXnwgDDK4WQNbFALykYuEBnrR4pDX?dt=<account number>) will redeem it.
•   Using the destination tag (?dt=) directs DR on where to return the specie payment.
•   No fees to send the IOU back to DR. Keep this in mind. If the receiver of the IOU is going to convert to specie, it will be cheaper to send the IOU directly to DR.

Notes on trust
•   Only trust DR for the amount you are comfortable with in total balance. Consider the trust line can be exhausted at any time with no action by you.
•   No trust is needed to destroy an IOU. This means you don’t have to trust DR in order to accept specie payment from DR IOUs!

Fees:
Users will pay 3 fees when using DR.
1)   Ripple: While there is no fee to create an IOU and no fee to destroy an IOU issued by DR, fees are charged when IOUs are transferred to another ripple address. DividendRippler.com has set a maximum fee of 0.19%. The fees charged will not increase beyond 0.19% without a 30 day notice on the front page of DividendRippler.com. That said, DividendRippler is launching with a 0.15% fee, and reserves the right to lower or raise this fee without prior notice (up to 0.19%).
2)   When an IOU is redeemed, the end user will pay all chain fees if required. Example, destroying a 5.0000 BTC IOU may only return 4.9995 in the user’s client. This fee is payable to the network, not DR.
3)   The XRPs needed to communicate with the DR servers for setup and retries.

2013-05-20 Update: Chain fees are now fixed, which is the minimum fee requirement. DividendRippler.com will pick up any additional fees. BTC 0.0005, LTC 0.1000, TRC 0.0000, NMC 0.005.


Security:
•   Without giving details, we have created a redundant system. The web front end is separated from the server.
•   Please keep valid redemption address at all times. We may (or may have already) implemented a security feature which returns IOUs in an emergency.
•   The redemption addresses should only be pointed to addresses you control. If pointed to other address and coins are redeemed to your ripple account, specie coins will not come to your client.

Issues:
•   Transaction fees are paid by receiver as required. You can’t send an exact specie amount, because fees will be paid according to network requirements.
•   We have plans to implement a hard cap on the maximum fee, but currently not supported. If you need to move large amounts and don’t want to pay the fee, you will need to redeem the IOU and take specie payment. Remember you can also redeem the IOU with receiver’s destination tag to avoid fees.
•   While possible, it is not suggested to use DR to send specie payments to a merchant using your own ripple address. It is cumbersome, insecure, and exact fees cannot be calculated beforehand. However, please ask them to support ripple and DR IOUs!
•   DO NOT USE DividendRippler to play satoshidice or similar games where you need to control the sending address. It will not work.

If the markets are deep enough, here are some ripple tricks to try:
•   Try depositing BTC into Bitstamp without trusting Bitstamp.
•   Try depositing USD or BTC into Bitstamp with LTC. (Requires LTC markets – anyone?)
•   Send a BTC tip to my client, with whatever currency you happen to have at the time: rfYv1TXnwgDDK4WQNbFALykYuEBnrR4pDX?dt=100000304
•   Get yourself a physical silver dime by sending me a DYM (PM me first is best).

>>>Finally, DividendRippler.com is in beta. We have done our best to keep everything safe and secure. We will try to make everything right in case of an error, but there are no warranties.

edited 2013-08-19 Added NMC
317  Economy / Service Announcements / [ANN] DividendRippler.com Create Assets & Pay Dividends in ripple on: April 19, 2013, 03:54:51 PM
I am pleased to announce DividendRippler.com (DR). DR provides an easy way to pro-rate payments to asset holders, much like a dividend payment. BTC/LTC/TRC is currently supported. We are not an exchange; ripple is left doing the heavy lifting, such as trading and ownership maintenance.

DividendRippler is simple. When a BTC/LTC/TRC payment comes into the main asset address, DR calculates current asset holders and sends out pro-rated ripple payments accordingly. All information is public.

DividendRippler is set up to offer listed as well as unlisted assets. Listed assets will require a signed offering document. Unlisted assets won’t. Both listed and unlisted assets will require DR to create the asset.

Listed asset at time of launch:
TBL – The Amazing Anonymous Bitcoin Lottery (TAABL.NET) (rNF5qUPCcge7uSStj6oKuoQs38BaM8362s)

Trust:
•   In order to trade a DR asset, you’ll need to trust the underlying asset in ripple, such as rNF5qUPCcge7uSStj6oKuoQs38BaM8362s in the case for TBL.
•   Because payments are made in the ripple network using DR, you will have to trust DR’s gateway address for the dividend. This address is static: rfYv1TXnwgDDK4WQNbFALykYuEBnrR4pDX.

Fees:
•   DR collects no fees to issue payments. The user will face chain fees as required by the network. For example 1.0000 BTC redemption may only return 0.9995 BTC.
•   DR collects no fees on asset trading (because they are not technically DR assets)
•   DR does collect gateway fees if the BTC, LTC or TRC IOUs are transferred (currently 0.15%). Note ripple does not allow DR to charge a fee to redeem its own IOUs, so specie payment can always be taken free of charge. More information on the gateway is here.
•   Initiating a new asset will have fees, currently unknown. While in the initial testing phase of DR, the fee is waived.

Have an asset you would like to offer? While DR is in beta, we’re offering to bring a few assets public over the next month. If you’d like to have your asset considered, please PM.
318  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Ripple: A Distributed Exchange for Bitcoin on: April 19, 2013, 12:51:02 AM
it's unnatural to think of, say, the $25,000 in your bank account as a "mere" IOU from your bank.

Pardon the french but FUCK THAT SHIT.

An IOU is exactly how we should think of what we have in our bank accounts. Citizens of Cyprus would agree.



I agree. I was just trying to come up with different terminology for IOU in ripple, but gave up, because that's exactly what it is. We don't deposit money in banks, we lend our money to the bank.
319  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Should the Alternate Cryptocurrency Thread have sub threads? Please Vote ! on: April 17, 2013, 03:27:43 PM

I voted 'yes', but why should bitcoin support alternative currencies? If alt coins only value is riding the coat tails of bitcoin, maybe it isn't such a great alt coin.
320  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple SCAM: You *do not* own BTC or USD, you own debt that will collapse on: April 17, 2013, 12:29:27 PM

I don't see this "domino" effect taking place, at least not anymore chance than currently exists. Bitstamp could be issuing IOUs in ripple and secretly using specie on the side. However, they don't need ripple to do this. They could have less USD or BTC than they have in customer accounts, hoping there will never be a run.

In fact, wouldn't ripple help prevent this? Their ripple address balance is public information, customer account balances are not. If I tally their ripple address info and it comes to $4.3 billion, I might suspect something and take delivery of my USD and BTC.
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