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3001  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Has Ledger stopped updating apps for the Nano S on: November 07, 2022, 08:38:55 AM
But if you plan to use the Nano S for many more years in the future, then it is worth considering having alternative hardware wallets.
I can't see support for the Nano S being withdrawn within 2-3 years, especially when they will still be developing for the S Plus and the minimal amount of work needed (if any) to adapt firmware/software updates for the S.

This is where the dilemma arises: buy now Trezor model T or wait for the release of updated model, which, the release of which may happen just in the period of these 2-3 years, when Nano S will be supported.
If you are concerned about support disappearing for your hardware wallet in 2-3 years, there is no point buying another device now. Bear in mind that even when support ends, you will still be able to use the device as it currently is, probably for many more years. And if you buy another device now, how do you know you won't have run in to the same problem with it in 2-3 years? And bear in mind Ledger have given absolutely no indication that they are going to pull support for the S any time soon.

If I was using a Nano S, I would have no concerns continuing to use it until such a time that Ledger announce support is ending, which will be years away. Only then would I start shopping around.
3002  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Crypto exchanges charging for inactive accounts . Do you support this ? on: November 07, 2022, 08:34:12 AM
I beg to differ, for this only case. With banks being picky in many countries about where the money comes from, this can easily become a problem if one sells Bitcoin.
I've never used one, given my well known stance on KYC and privacy, but my point was I don't want to sell my bitcoin at all. I want to spend it directly with merchants and retailers, so what the banks think is irrelevant.

Most forex exchanges actually already do this.
Yup. And plenty of fiat banks or other fiat payment apps, accounts, cards, and whatnot do this too. Don't spend your funds or don't use your account or your card and start paying an inactivity fee. But the whole idea behind bitcoin is to get away from this kind of predatory behavior by third parties who exercise complete control over your money. Centralized exchanges are more and more turning in to the very banks we are trying to get away from. Time to stop using them entirely. DEXs plus your own wallet is much better set up.
3003  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: How to get an Electrum Wallet address and verify it on: November 06, 2022, 07:50:31 PM
For the next step, what should I do to get the address and how to verify it.
There is no way to verify an address on Electrum for Android. Verifying an address is more commonly done when you pair Electrum with a hardware wallet, and you then verify the address on the hardware wallet's screen matches that being displayed by Electrum. With Electrum on a computer, you could verify that you do indeed have the private key for the address you are being shown by signing a message from that address and then using an independent tool to verify that message. The closest you can come on Electrum for Android would be to export the private key for the address to an airgapped computer and ensure that the private key does indeed generate the address you are being shown, but this is a much more complex process and involves handling your raw private keys which puts you at a significant risk of your funds being stolen.

Since Electrum on Android is a hot wallet, you should only be using it store very small amounts of funds, and so most people simply trust that their phone does not have any malware which is modifying the address they are being shown. You should make sure you downloaded the app from https://electrum.org/#download and verified it prior to installing it, rather than downloading it from the app store.

The 2FA part of your wallet only comes in to play when you try to make a transaction.
3004  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Crypto exchanges charging for inactive accounts . Do you support this ? on: November 06, 2022, 07:11:55 PM
And btw, there's something CEX has and DEX doesn't: crypto cards. Again, banking, as I said Wink
That's a good point. Still better to use DEXs and spend bitcoin directly though, rather than using yet another centralized third party to switch to fiat on the go. Tongue

Not everyone can trade within a month, right?. Everyone has their own plans.
I would suggest that if you aren't making a trade in the next one or two days, then you should be withdrawing your coins to your own wallet and not leaving them in the hands of third parties. If you aren't making a single trade in the next month, then your coins should absolutely be in your own wallets.

Any coins you store with a centralized exchange do not belong to you - they belong to the exchange. They can freeze or seize them at any time. An inactivity fee is just an extension of this.
3005  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Has Ledger stopped updating apps for the Nano S on: November 06, 2022, 12:57:10 PM
There can also be other reasons why they would need to increase the size of the apps making the scarce internal memory of the Nano S a big problem.
And if faced with the option of either having to tell users that they have to temporarily uninstall their other apps to use a larger bitcoin app (which takes all of ~10 seconds to do), or they are not able to use the bitcoin app at all and therefore rendering all Nano S devices around the world useless and pissing off a huge portion of their user base, it's a pretty easy choice for the company to make. And the users would obviously pick the same option too.

And I can't foresee a situation where the bitcoin app becomes so large it doesn't fit on the Nano S at all, at least, not until such a time in the future that most Nano S devices have experienced hardware failure. As I said above, there is no incentive for Ledger to forcibly phase out these devices.
3006  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Crypto exchanges charging for inactive accounts . Do you support this ? on: November 06, 2022, 12:51:49 PM
I can also see it happening more on larger / regulated / insured exchanges.
Given that exchange insurance only protects against the exchange themselves being hacked, and not against individual accounts being hacked, then the insurance provider should really be charging based on the value of assets the exchange holds rather than the absolute number of accounts. I take the point regarding customer service, but no customer service provider anywhere is charging $10 per month per account, so obviously most of the charge is just pure profiteering by the exchange as you rightly point out.

Unfortunately I don't expect many CEX users opt for DEX, not yet. But maybe soon enough...
The more that centralized exchanges pull stuff like this, then the stronger the argument for DEXs become. Already DEXs win hands down on security of your coins, on security of your data, on privacy and not selling your information, on fees, on not being hacked, on not scamming their users, on not being fractional reserve, on not freezing accounts or seizing coins, speed of setting up an account, not requiring KYC, the list goes on. The only thing CEXs have going for them is the speed of individual trades, but continue to alienate users and that one metric becomes less and less important.
3007  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Has Ledger stopped updating apps for the Nano S on: November 06, 2022, 12:39:28 PM
In addition, why would it be a problem to provide support for all models, considering that it is about identical (or very similar) apps that are found on all models?
I imagine much of the differences between models (such as Bluetooth, etc.) is dealt with by the device's firmware, rather than the individual apps. And as far as I am ware, the app for the S Plus would be identical to that for the S.

So for now I would not be worried. Not yet. After 2024, that's another story.
Even then, I'd imagine old versions will continue to work just fine for several more years, and probably even longer if you pair your device with a 3rd party wallet such as Electrum. Barring some critical vulnerability being discovered in the current version (which could still be mitigated against by using your Ledger device connected to a clean airgapped computer), I don't think there's much to worry about.
3008  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Crypto exchanges charging for inactive accounts . Do you support this ? on: November 06, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
The point is now some exchanges are charging for this which I think is not cool.
It's obviously just to make more profits. Once they've set up a wallet to receive coins, and then received coins to that wallet, there is no additional cost of maintenance. What are they charging for exactly? Not unlocking the wallet and not making any transactions? Roll Eyes

But I don't care if they want to charge this ridiculous fee. The more reasons to turn people off from using centralized exchanges, the better.

Is this practical ? Where you buy new crypto coins from then ?
Peer to peer via platforms such as Bisq, AgoraDesk, RoboSats, or even the currency exchange board on this forum. You can't be charged a fee by a centralized platform if you don't use one. Not to mention all the privacy and security benefits of not having to hand control of your coins or your personal data over to third parties.
3009  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Has Ledger stopped updating apps for the Nano S on: November 06, 2022, 10:58:37 AM
According to GitHub, 2.0.6 is still the latest release: https://github.com/LedgerHQ/app-bitcoin-new/blob/master/CHANGELOG.md

Looks like from the development branch the next version will be 2.1.0. They are currently working on rc3 by the looks of things, so not too far off release: https://github.com/LedgerHQ/app-bitcoin-new/tags
3010  Economy / Exchanges / Re: FTX comedy and might be another exchange that bites the dust? on: November 06, 2022, 10:36:43 AM
What they are doing is just on a different level, I'm still surprised why the US is still letting them roam fee, but I'm pretty sure if one government agency will ask them to provide the proofs they are not operating like either a fractional reserve or a Ponzi scheme there will be thousands who is defended tether and blame everything on the evil gubbermint.
Stablecoin regulation is not far off, particularly because they directly compete with the CBDCs that most governments want to implement in the near future. And once Tether start getting audited properly, you better make sure you are not holding too much USDT (or any other stablecoin for that matter). And lets not even mention that just like CBDCs they are completely centralized and even coins in your own wallets can be remotely frozen or seized against your will.

This FTX nonsense is just the same. Shady stuff going on behind the scenes, entire ecosystem built on top of a token they can print out of thin air at will and then lend/give to themselves, questionable loans and acquisitions, and users with absolutely no idea what happens to any coins they deposit to the site. As with any other exchange or any other centralized shitcoin, the advice remains the same - get bitcoin, and get it in to your own wallet.

But, but, you're losing the opportunity to lose all your money  Wink
And yet, I'm the toxic bitcoin maxi because I advise people not to lose their money on scams and shitcoins. Roll Eyes
3011  Other / Meta / Re: Public request to Theymos for a name change on: November 06, 2022, 08:33:32 AM
We should keep a list of who's bringing what...
Put me down for a piñata full of bees. And I'll ask Foxpup if we can borrow a gimp for the day.
3012  Economy / Exchanges / Re: FTX comedy and might be another exchange that bites the dust? on: November 06, 2022, 08:27:51 AM
The same morons will defend this fiat coin to the death, arguing that money printing is not bad because is backed by the same printer, that the coins are secure because that's what some random guy on Twitter said, and most important, it can't fail because he has some, and this will lead to more and more falling for this "stable coin".
USDT is the prime example of this. I cannot fathom why anyone stills trusts this absolute junk. First they said it was backed up 1-to-1 with USD. Then they said it was backed up 1-to-1 with USD and other assets. Then they dropped the 1-to-1 claim altogether, with court documents showing as little as 14% of USDT was actually backed up. Those same documents showed that Bitfinex transferred hundreds of millions of dollars to Tether on the day of their independent audits, and then transferred it all back out again the next day.

It later emerged that these "other assets" they claimed included uncollateralized loan repayments, including loan repayments to themselves from the $800 billion USDT they printed out of thin air and gave to themselves. They also included bitcoin they had purchased with the USDT they first printed. Print USDT out of thin air -> buy bitcoin with it -> claim USDT is now backed up with bitcoin. Unbelievable. And since all these revelations that USDT is an insolvent fractional reserve scam, its market cap has grown to $70 billion. The day it finally collapses a lot of people will lose a lot of money, but they can't say they weren't warned. The writing is on the wall.

And then look at centralized lending/staking platforms. Even after Celsius and Voyager collapse, people are still using such platforms. Even after BlockFi revealed they needed a bail out to the tune of $250 million, people are still depositing their coins there.

And throughout all these scams, Ponzis, insolvencies, bankruptcies, and more, I'm just sitting over here quietly using bitcoin peer to peer, as was intended in the first place, having never lost a single satoshi.
3013  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Any "new" news on wasabi wallet coinjoins? on: November 06, 2022, 08:11:45 AM
It's valid best next option for those who don't run their own Bitcoin Core/Electrum server, but average user is likely to make mistake and weaken their own privacy.
Such is the nature of coinjoins, and indeed, bitcoin. If you are serious about privacy, then you must run your own node. As n0nce points out, without it, you are by definition relying on unknown third parties. You can either run your own node and coinjoin in a decentralized manner using JoinMarket, or you can not use your own node and depend on third parties, be that Electrum servers, Samourai servers, Wasabi servers, whomever. And if you depend on third parties, then you are subjected to their rules, spying, and censorship, as we have seen in the case of Wasabi.

By using Sparrow you are still depending on third parties, but at least those third parties aren't in cahoots with blockchain analysis companies. But if that is still too complex for the average user to use without compromising their privacy in some manner, then you can just stick to ChipMixer.
3014  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: 12 vs 24 seed word trade-offs? on: November 06, 2022, 08:03:37 AM
What will be the consequences of the fact that the length increases? (Underlined in the highlighted text above).
Every additional 3 words brings an addition 32 bits of entropy, meaning there are 232 more possibilities. 232 is in the region of 4.3 billion, so there are 4.3 billion more possible 15 word seed phrases than there are 12 word seed phrase. As hosseinimr93 correctly states above, there will be 2128 times more valid 24 word seed phrases than 12 word seed phrases. This is approximately 340 billion billion billion billion times.

Let me see, if I understand correctly from the above, then bruteforcing  24-words is easier than 12-words? This is true? But then it contradicts that 24-words is safer. Or am I confusing something?
The more words you have, the easier it is to brute force missing words (provided you are comparing the same number of missing words). Missing 1 word from a 24 word seed phrase is easier to brute force than missing 1 word from a 12 word seed phrase (although both are still trivially easy to do). Once you get beyond 4 words for any seed length then it becomes prohibitively expensive.
3015  Economy / Exchanges / Re: FTX comedy and might be another exchange that bites the dust? on: November 05, 2022, 08:42:40 PM
While there is nothing per se untoward or wrong about that, it shows Bankman-Fried’s trading giant Alameda rests on a foundation largely made up of a coin that a sister company invented, not an independent asset like a fiat currency or another crypto.
Their users won't care. Look at Bitfinex. They do exactly the same thing and worse with Tether. They even printed $800 billion USDT out of thin air and then loaned it to themselves to prevent Bitfinex from going bankrupt, and yet somehow both Bitfinex and Tether continue to grow and be ever more widely used. You can do pretty much any shady stuff you like in crypto and still attract morons to give you their money.

After seeing the incredibly shady stuff platforms like Celsius and Voyager were doing, then I have no doubt whatsoever that FTX are also doing similar things behind the scenes. This revelation is probably the least of it.

All exchanges do that, I feel, judging from how bloated my throwaways have become, and when the breadcrumbs lead to them, it's a simple: damn our data storage guys were compromised.
You should work on the assumption that any and all data you give to a centralized exchange, from an email address to a scan of your passport, will eventually be sold, shared, or leaked to a variety of third parties.
3016  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: 12 vs 24 seed word trade-offs? on: November 05, 2022, 01:22:48 PM
If 12 words is enough for security, then why waste ink writing 24 words? Smiley
Because 24 words are more secure than 12.

I have another question: if 12 words are enough, then why were 24 words created?
12 and 24 word seed phrases were created at the same time with the publication of BIP39, which you can see here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039.mediawiki#generating-the-mnemonic. But BIP32, which predates BIP39, recommends 256 bits be used as a seed, which equates to a 24 word seed phrase.
3017  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: 12 vs 24 seed word trade-offs? on: November 05, 2022, 11:38:51 AM
Am I doing something horribly wrong by using 12 word seeds and not the 24 word one, not realising risks I could be exposing myself to? (I will add that I do use a password on top of these words as well)
The biggest risk you are exposing yourself to here is relying on your memory to back up your seed phrase.

Note that "password" and "passphrase" are commonly used to refer to two different things. Password is generally used to refer to the password you would use to unlock your wallet software, while passphrase is used to refer to the seed extension or additional phrase which is combined with your seed phrase to derive your wallets. If you lose the password to unlock your wallet, you can recover that wallet from your seed phrase and passphrase. If you lose your passphrase (and don't have a back up), then your wallet is lost forever (just as if you had lost your seed phrase).

A 12 word BIP39 seed phrase provides 128 bits of entropy. Since a private key provides the same amount of entropy, with increasing the number of words to more than 12, you don't really increase your security.
Private keys provide 128 bits of security, not 128 bits of entropy. The entropy of a private key will depend on how it was generated.

I'd point out that BIP32 recommends using 256 bits of entropy (i.e. a 24 word seed phrase):
Generate a seed byte sequence S of a chosen length (between 128 and 512 bits; 256 bits is advised) from a (P)RNG.
3018  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Privacy questions about ninjastic.space and loyce.club on: November 05, 2022, 11:18:45 AM
You should have the same approach to this forum as you have to the internet in general. Assume that anything and everything you share online is impossible to completely delete and will always exist online somewhere. Anything you post on this site, anything you post on any social media, any email you write, any message you send, any picture you share, any document you upload, any file you store in the cloud, etc. It doesn't matter if you delete it from everywhere you can see it or access it, as you have no idea what other entities have scraped it, what other servers it is backed up on, who else has accessed it and stored it, and so on.

Anything share or store online should be assumed to be permanently compromised.

How will they know this IP is from Husies? Someone else may look for your post too.
If an IP address looks up one post from Husires, it could be anyone. If an IP address looks up multiple posts from Husires, repeatedly over multiple days, than that is probably Husires themselves.
3019  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Any "new" news on wasabi wallet coinjoins? on: November 05, 2022, 10:55:44 AM
One of reason Wasabi Wallet 1.0 become popular is due to user-friendliness while preserving few advance feature (address/UTXO selection).
There are plenty of other user friendly non full node wallets with such features. Granted, most don't provide coinjoins, but when you are also being spied on, censored, and having your addresses reused, then some might say a wallet without any of those features is better than Wasabi. Wink

It could be replacement of JoinMarket-Qt which need full node since Wasabi Wallet 1.0 is one of very few SPV desktop wallet with strong privacy feature (Tor by default and BIP 157 implementation).
If you don't want to run a full node then I would suggest Sparrow wallet as the next best option to access coinjoins.
3020  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Full RBF on: November 05, 2022, 10:44:46 AM
So while it could be a nice gesture to postpone the full RBF a little, we may have the exact same problem on the next release too.
Absolutely, but I think it is the right thing to do for two reasons. I understand the points that this is only a setting which is defaulted to off, and actually any node or miner who wants to run a full RBF policy can do so at any time even without this setting. However, I don't think it is right to release a feature which has divided opinion so strongly without spending a bit of time working things out, and it would also give the developers and services which seem to have been caught off guard by this change some more time to react. Although this has been discussed for years, and the developers in question really should have done a better job of keeping up to speed with ongoing developments, I don't think it's a good look for the community to now say "Well, sucks to be you" and release a feature which some developers are saying will completely break their app/software/business model.

Now, as I said above, full RBF is the natural state of the system, not to mention the necessary benefits it brings to allow further development of Lightning and other projects, and so I fully expect it to arrive in v25.0 if not in v24.0. But I don't think delaying it from v24.0 is necessarily a bad thing, and if we did, then hopefully by the time v25.0 comes round many of these issues would have been discussed and resolved.
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