Don't confuse people here with common sense.. the OP's left eye is twitching by now i bet.
Guess what ?
You are on his ignore list now 

And.. the LAST time  

I love it 12 pages of noob accounts chanting "Bitcoin died before" over & over.  

Their launch was botched but they had no intention in stalling the final public release.
They could have spent a long amount of time and effort pushing ANON tech for Bitcoin.
They could have been working on Code that would integrate with it.. we seen & heard of none ever.
Their coin name was already used (Bytecoin) so they pulled a Microsoft and just changed names
..and plowed on business as usual.

(Microsoft used "Metro")


All they had to do was Google it and see it was used by Metro AG a German company.
But their pompous bullshit and smug cocky attitude prevented them from doing so.. ring a bell ?

The name they chose later "monero" as an after thought was a poor choice for a professional and mature world wide digital currency.
The word Monero reminds me of the kids board game Monopoly  

Anyway what i am driving at is the various points that lead to a conclusion.
Points such as not having a cross platform GUI ready for launch (which used to be standard practice)
That in itself is historically an unfair advantage to the dev & friends and a big no-no in Crypto.
Apparently they felt they can side step the rules and just do what ever they want.

I also do not buy the insta-mine blog comment posted earlier.
That is too convenient.. a random guy comes forward to say hey i had them all and sold them long ago ?
What ever.. bullshit  

Let me remind you all Risto / rpietila not long after launch had admitted to buying over 882 BTC worth of Monero and i bet he bought a shitload more in the 2 years since too.
So there you have an early large holder right there people.
Seems they forgot about him when they were making excuses for that on the previous page here.
Weird considering it's his coin.. he controls it.
Who's paying FlupyPony and friends ?
He is.. i seen him admit it here before.
You all forget ?

Besides why would a millionaire STILL 2 years later be flogging the living shit out of Monero by taking donated money and spending it on powerful adoption assets such as his numerous forum games here ?
..if he had already dumped and was out of the coin.
CLEARLY he is still balls deep in Monero and a bag holder for life.
Back then i estimated he was into Monero in the early days for about a quarter million dollars worth of Monero.
Had he stayed with Bitcoin he would have doubled his money.
And i guarantee he had been buying more all this time too.
Who do you think is behind the Market Manipulation ?

He's trapped.

And what does a Millionaire Crypto guy do when he wants out ?
He dumps.. and god help you shills when your master bails on you.
Watch that price tank like a rock !
And will the shills admit this is a risk ? OF course not they "smooth" it over with Monero-Bullshit®
It is a risk and he is mentally unstable and in my opinion fucking nuts  

So i will cycle back to my point again.. the points and the conclusion.
These guys had no intention of stopping.
They were going to make damn sure they had a new coin they can be "early adopters" on.
And then they can have it added as a new market on Poloniex.. so they can flog the shit out of it !
..whether it was ready for a final public launch / trading on exchanges or not.

They didn't care.. nothing was going to stop them.

They got here late and thought.. shit, i want a coin too !

I have been here watching them push this shit since it launched.
The bells went off when they thought....... A N O N
They saw dollars signs and thought ohhhh yeah we're doin' this !
Let's get this coin made and on poloniex NOW !
GUI ready ? Who gives a fuck we have coin'z to trade on Polo stat !
TestNet ? shoosh pipe down over there.. we don't have time for that nonsense.

And.. if anyone complains we will harras and intimidate them with our brigade of Legendary accounts.
Kind of funny which accounts here i have seen defending Monero.
Kluge who sent me death threats ? ..no he was not banned.
Theymos ? ......yup  

Monero guys are scene bullies.

Who have made a career out of crying FUD for bucks $$$

That is a crock of shit from a noob.
And we all discussed and debated Premines zillions of times years before you got here with your fresh new account.

You are a part of the new bread spreading your corrupt mantra.
Loiter around lowering the bar making poor excuses for ever increasingly worse behavior.

I could shred your comment a part any way i like.. 100 different ways.
But lets just point out how it's been brought up that Butters never did say how he got his hands on so many ETH coins.. million(s) of dollars worth.
Or WHY he dumped over a million worth before admitting to us all or what he even did with the cash money.

So your assertion is a load of bullshit.

All these guys did was launch a scammy crooked ICO then create a bunch of "Titles" for each other then paid each other large sums of free money.. printed by the ETH team.
Are you the official CEO of Gitthubbery or CTFO of Bitcointalk Spam ?

I could go on & on & on raping your retarded comment.

But let me end it with asking you two things..
1) Name the top 5 DAPPS you use daily.
2) Show us the link to the info showing EXACTLY where all the Premine money was spent.

Or maybe some people have INTEGRITY and do not like seeing bag-holders lie their ass off trying to suck in more victims into their Crypto-Pyramid-Scheme ?

Saying i am jealous of your ROI's is proof ..YOU are the one who cares about coin prices.
I do not .

I came here to support crypto currencies.. not profiteering by spinning bullshit to the vulnerable.

Nonsense ?
If this was the case you would an effort to refute any claims posted.
You don't.

You simply cause a diversion crying FUD non stop. (avoiding addressing any concerns raised about the coin in question)

Butthurt ?
Yup a sound technical defense of a pitiful scam coin  
Did you make that one up all on your own.. or did you hear it on the internet then repeat it ?

And Mr Fungabiity is right.. because it has NEVER been used as a currency.
Monero's horrible name and lack of any real adoption is proof this is the case already.
We don't need to wait for it to happen.. it's been that way the whole damn time !

Most Monero "usage" is essentially trading for profits on Poloniex.
Which requires these bag holders to come here and talk up Monero to get others to buy in..
So they can cash out and claim they made a fortune on it.

..that has nothing to do with adoption of a global internet based digital currency now does it ?

It has far more to do with fake supporters spinning lies & bullshit to pad their wallets.
People who have every intention on dumping.

You can not smooth over your little facade by crying Troll or FUD etc.
But by all means feel free to try.
I would like to remind you it has not been working so far though.
The general public sees what is going on and has made their decision thus far.

Crying FUD for bucks on Bitcointalk.org is a waste of time.
A fools game that is shrinking and dying off as we speak.

Because all of this is corrupt bullshit by scam coin peddlers.
It's a scene full of scummy greedy back stabbing corrupt losers desperately trying to shill for chump change.
And unless you can maintain an ever increasing amount of new users.. the scene is destined to implode.
Leaving YOU a broke bag holder desperately clinging onto your shitcoins for eternity.

..chanting "one day"

A Windows only .NET wallet was released a COUPLE MONTHS AFTER LAUNCH ?
When standard practice was that all wallets were cross platform and open source ?
Was that .NET wallet running on Launch ?

Know the importance of having a wallet on Launch ?
Or the possible advantages it could provide the dev & friends not having one ?

Abandoned ?

Crying FUD ?

The OP asked a question.. it was answered.

Want to dig deeper holes ?

Lets rationalize this..

What can we determine a FAIL to be ?

So far it took them years to get a GUI wallet out.
To me this would have been a prerequisite to launching the coin.

I am not the one here spinning bullshit 24/7 like a politician while i count my XMR / Polo ROI'z.
You may not like my perspective on things but it's probably because you feel i am encroaching on your "profits"
And that is not what this is about.

What is it about ? ADOPTION .

And a Failure assessment ?

Well then.. can Monero be regarded as a success story when it comes to adoption ?

[ADVICE]

'BE' Honest.
Enough with the bullshitting.. it doesn't work.

What are you guys going to say ? "one day" ?
Well it's been years and we seen a minor influx of dark market activity.
And that was actually a step in reverse.

The goal of being defiant to US and even world money law is not a goal i personally strive for.
Nor do i think it will aid the concept of currency adoption.
Nor do i think us loitering around here name calling will effect things either way.
Life carries on.. IGNORING MONERO !

I need to remind people that if you do not know about "currencies"
Then you should invest some time into learning about them.

I would advise finding and watching this documentary..
Money for Nothing Inside the Federal Reserve - Jim Bruce 2013

If you can watch that and not see the parallels between Altcoins i would be shocked.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_for_Nothing:_Inside_the_Federal_Reserve
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2752724/

I got this video a couple years back in 2013 from File Sharing sites.
It seems to be on Youtube right now but i did not verify it.

So i hope you all get the point here.
This is about CURRENCIES.

Know what Quantitative-Easing means ?
Get it ? We all should be knowledgeable in at least the basics of what a currency is
AND THE HISTORY OF THEM.. so we don't repeat the same bad behavior.

There is no Crypto Regulations ..hell there is not even a rule banning Scams here.
Nor is there a Federal Reserve waiting to hand you all Bail-Out packages when you fuck this shit up.

What part of my commentary was not true ?

I also can simply create a new account (exactly like you just did here & now) 

Further more i have never ever put anyone on ignore on any site on the web.
Because i am not a bloody baby.. grow up. 

Not necessarily.. Jim Shockney was last seen flogging scam coins for Stakeminers / Leroy Fodor / Michael Wilterdink
AKA: JSHock and Cyber Pinoy / Terrik

I believe it was RateCoin.
JSHock was more than happy to go on Social Media singing the praises of this scam coin.
A POS coin taken over by the Stakeminers fraudsters.

Not surprising how chummy they all were before Cryptsy went down though.
I have logs of Pinoy on IRC defending Cryptsy all the way to the end when they closed doors
and those two frauds were on Cryptsy China (that JSHock said they probably sold scripts too)

So, they are all still crawling around in the shadows.
It's just that Horus is the most visible one of the bunch.
I'd say that is a good thing and doesn't make him look as bad as the others.

I think Horus realizes he was blinded (to some extent) and he got carried away with his faith in BigVern.
Horus has been the only one who tried to accept a bit of responsibility over it all.
The rest went into hiding yet still loiter around here doing their shit.

Why would people leave when you were in a position to reap the crypto-rewards ?

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Anyway..
I highly doubt OldManKidd is Horus.
They have contrasting personalities i think.

And i noticed Horus had been hanging out on Poloniex long before Cryptsy went down.
So to be fair it's not like he went there simply because Cryptsy was gone.

Not trying to really defend the guy because i have no idea what he is up to.
Just saying what i have seen with my observations.

Also the Rate Coin info can be found on Gleb Gamow's Stakeminers topic (where i seen it)

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Know who needs to show her face and answer some questions (aside from the obvious BV / JS) ?
DCGIRL and MULLICK !

Why did DCGirl pop up here after Cryptsy went down and BV fled to China
saying she was in contact over the phone with Paul Vernon in China and she "knows he is a good guy that would never steal the money"

Colossally weird that she of all Cryptsy people is the only one who said she had contact with him.
She was one of the very last to be added as a chat box moderator. (i witnessed them give it to her on chat)
She had always said she "Did web design / graphics" and i am suspicious she was the one behind Cryptsy China or played some part in that.

In other words in the hierarchy of Cryptsy staff.. why is it she of all people had such grand access to BigVern ?
..while he had already left and was now viewed as being on the run evading law enforcement.

Mullick ?
Well all i can say is his absence was a massive red flag when he vanished for damn near a year.
Apparently nobody knew what was going on during his disappearing act (at the same time they claimed to be hacked)

We need a "Carbon Coin" again for us to band together.
That was one scam coin we both agreed on

Moron ?
Why have i been the only one who started mentioning a bunch of glaring problems ?
I don't care so much about being on either side of the problem..
I am simply arguing on endlessly i SEE the problem.. and YES it does exist.
Shoving your head in the sand will not keep people out of jail cells.

I am also still bothered that these guys CHOSE to show up here like all the others
..and make a new coin.

That is what happened.
And like all the others they did not try and push their features / ideas onto Bitcoin.
Fuck no.. they ran out as fast as possible to make THEIR OWN NEW COIN !
Then what did we see ?
For some inexplicable reason when no one had shown the slightest interest in Monero
Poloniex decided to add Monero "markets" ..why ?

Monero is a me-too coin like the others.
Worse it's backed by inept decetful fools.

Bottom Line:
I hope to raise my concerns about Monero and users can come to their own conclusions.
If you think i am a "moron" and Monero has a bright future then by all means.. support the project.
What i have tried to highlight is the aspects to the coin that SHOULD be taken into consideration.
I think it has had a bad team and bad community behind it since day one.
This is a turn off and a negative point to the coin.

No GUI for 2+ years ?
Well why not launch it when the GUI was ready ?
Duh !
They wanted that Market on Poloniex ASAP !

You know don't look past the obvious people  

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EDIT:

Think of this guys..

I just pointed out the rather odd behavior of Poloniex adding Monero markets way back right ?
Back then there was few exchanges and they added markets for big coins only.. usually 1 or 2 other ALT's.
Such as XPM / Cryptsy ..and yeah we all complained about that too when they did it.
(because it was mega popular) or Litecoin of course.
Following me ?
Ok so think of this..
What if the guys behind Poloniex where almost 90% of the "ANON" trading occurs ARE the SAME guys behind the coin ?

Do you realize what this would mean ?

Poloniex collects your Picture ID etc.
AKA: They are US govt compliant and will hand over your info to the FED's in a heart beat !
So.. still want to use Monero to sell all that Fentanyl and Hand guns on Alpha Bay ?

Probably the self-destructive ANON gimmick.
A great way to rail road the currency at launch.
Crippling adoption permanently.

Oh and the history of the coin itself and the shill's antics last couple years is a worthy mention too.

Trust me there is plenty to complain about.. like that Horrendous name.
Or the fact it was a "community-takeover" coin launched as Bytecoin insta-mined and hoarded.

Where did the original dev go ?
Rather odd he never showed his face EVER again huh ?  

..or

Maybe he is well known and simply abandoned the old account with the old coin name "Bytecoin"

..then

Lied his ass off about anything to do with that way back all along to this day.

In a way it is though.. not that it really matters.

Did Monero come out first ?
Were the dev or dev(s) (who ever went into hiding) know about Bitcoin back then ?
Probably not because the idiots didn't know Bytecoin already existed.

Born from a coin cloning platform as the Monero shills said long ago ? yes !
..called CryptoNote

I have rewrote plenty of code for miners before but did not claim i wrote it from scratch.
A lot of the code + basic concepts are recycled on every coin out.

They are all in fact "Mod's" of Bitcoin.

And why hide since 2011 "member" ?
Apparently you are quite the little expert on things here with your 4 post account.
I love how the deceitful shitheads never show their face.. they simply spin BS from puppet accounts.

Niggah please, you don't know who you are fuckin' with !
..i use 4 ply toilet paper bro. 

You got my opinion (the correct one) what more do you want ?

Yo Chuckie-Cheese.. don't sprinkle cheese on me and call me a Pizza !

Love that picture LOL ..and i agree it was  

I refuse to participate in any MS product or service ever again.
Windows 8 was the final straw and Windows 10 was the last nail in the coffin.

I wash my hands of that dumb company and their horrendous bullshit.

uhhmm nope.. ever been to India ?
Why did i think of that ? I stole the idea from a Family Guy episode where they are searching for god.

And please stop being a dick if you knew what i meant.
Not interested in a pedantic retort in response to a joke.

Don't like my comment ? Maybe jump off the roof off a Foxcon plant in China..
Don't worry they put in nets i heard.. and that beautiful smog will obscure your view of the ground.

And don't be angry you didn't get your shoes yet.
Check out the African street markets for used clothes and footwear.
I know they exist because i used to a work a job loading 1,000 lb bails of them into trucks for Africa.

Here is my list..

Remember if you open my present before Christmas you will get a lump of coal in your stocking.
And WTF am i the only one giving gifts this year ?
I am a shining beacon of generosity up in this bitch !

..don't say i don't do nuthin' for ya all !

Internet Panhandling ? yeah sure.. sounds like an ICO to me 

Maybe stand on the street corner with your hand out asking for change..
Then use that to go buy some Bitcoin.

What blows me away is kids think they are entitled to Bitcoin.. for free.
It's money so why do you expect free money ?
Think of it as a digital version of paper money

And OP what in gods name are you going to do with the Bitcoin once you get it ?
Me ? I give it away to dev's who do free work. (donations)
Often they don't have an address but i urge them to get one then give them money.
There by using it as a currency as intended and helping adoption.

What is your plan ?
Buying shitcoins to trade on Poloniex for your ROI'z ?

3rd world country weirdo hoping to get his first pair of shoes ?
(shoe ownership is a big deal in many 3rd world countries)

@Zach
I was impressed you could read.. it's a rare skill around here. 

Since we hear for years how Monero is bullet proof.. and they print on the hoody secure / untraceable.

Then.. it is in fact not about "MORE" secure.

It would then be about a dark market user having 100% faith he won't get arrested.
I provided a variety of ways this could happen.. and it only needs to happen ONCE !

Further more since Monero offers "more" security over other coins like LTC or BTC
It is essentially useless because no one outside the Dark Market world gives a fuck.
If they did they would not all be forced to hand over their finger prints to banks and be fine with it.

Deliberately catering and pandering to dark market criminal activity is stupid.
Worse is defying the US govt's anti-money laundering or various other laws like Terrorism funding.

You Monero guys picked a fight.. a stupid fight !

FluffyPony vs. EARTH

The combined resources of the USA alone is immense and i sure as hell would not want to put up a crack-me sign for them egging them on.

They have admitted to doing seriously crazy shit to get their man.
I would not have faith in Monero if i figured i was a very high value target.

And that is one of the key problems i have is the false sense of security perpetuated by the Monero Cult.
Then the fact that it's failed as it started.. an Anon coin is fucked from day 1.
You can't ever achieve any real good level of adoption defying world govt's.

It's failed if at best it is occasionally used for Dark Market activity (but mostly trading on Poloniex)
Or was that the goal all along ? A niche coin barely used and another "coin" on Polo to trade for profits ?

There is a hell of a lot of problems with Monero and it goes way beyond the horrendous name  

It failed on launch because it was a dumb idea !