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3001  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 24, 2013, 09:19:35 AM
Well, you`ve got a point there...but the normal everyday cars sucked...no they don`t and AUDI still makes good race cars.
For ice and snow:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUB5C49iLxY

For pure presidential purposes though, only ONE car is 133+.

 Grin
3002  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 24, 2013, 12:24:58 AM
G'nite everyone... Wink
3003  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 24, 2013, 12:00:36 AM
Regardless of general belief; I can certainly assure you newbies, that most of the regular farts here are not
TARDING
but
HODLING
which, I find; you know... genius!
3004  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 11:42:22 PM
This is EXACTLY what happened in May. Huge walls popped up and pushed up the price on low volume.

Keep holding dat fiat.
Do you assume because I am mid term bearish that I hold 100% fiat at all times? 60% btc as of a few hours ago.

HODL!!!
Sorry... let's make modified versions of spell checkers for bitcoiners that correct hold to hodl.
Yep; Merriam Webster should include "HODL" as a unique BTC trading term from now on.  Grin
3005  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 11:36:27 PM
This is EXACTLY what happened in May. Huge walls popped up and pushed up the price on low volume.

Keep holding dat fiat.
Do you assume because I am mid term bearish that I hold 100% fiat at all times? 60% btc as of a few hours ago.

HODL!!!
3006  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 11:27:44 PM
Ch00-Ch00? Grin
3007  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 10:27:13 PM
LOL! Who IS this guy anyway? He seems like a straw man to me... Roll Eyes
http://nypost.com/2013/12/23/government-robbed-me-of-33m-in-bitcoins-silk-road-pirate/

wow, even though he is going to lose, the courts are going to have to make a ruling on it, and more or less claim that btc is property and thus give it all sorts of rights.


pretty cool for btc.


also he more or less admitting to running silk road must mean his case is extremely weak.
Yes, I think it's good too. I don't believe that he's gonna get away with it though. Maybe he cut a deal with them. Who knows? We'll see at the trial.
3008  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 10:16:49 PM
LOL! Who IS this guy anyway? He seems like a straw man to me... Roll Eyes
http://nypost.com/2013/12/23/government-robbed-me-of-33m-in-bitcoins-silk-road-pirate/
3009  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 10:10:30 PM
If you were in bit coin in may then you might feel what phase were in.

How is that bearish trendline looking TERA? What happens if we flatline out of it?
If we break it with this low volume then its a TARP. We might see some weeks of stability and even a miniature rally on some hype followed by a slow burning downtrend all the way down near the floor.
TARP IS GUUDE!!!
3010  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 09:14:11 PM
Congrats brother; I wish you both, to keep the love until the time ends... This was the best wish I had on my wedding day.  Smiley
3011  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 06:43:18 PM
New Cyprus plan is preparing as we speak on Eurozone (just a feeling that i have from mixing the puzzle )

Fiat holders have to enter as we speak or they will cry after...
Got more information about this?

He's right. Read here:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/content/20131212IPR30702/html/Deal-reached-on-bank-%E2%80%9Cbail-in-directive%E2%80%9D

Quote
The directive is to enter into force on 1 Jauary 2015 and the bail-in system is to take effect on 1 January 2016.

well, it's a way off then...

That is what they want you to think.

They will pass it then adjust the date later IF they need it.

This is absolutely true! In Cyprus' case, there was a whole machination going on at the time, whether to bail-in their "bad banks" with the WHOLE or PART amount of the creditors' accounts (stocks were accumulated immediately). This was not a political decision (even though the way to there, definitely was) rather than EU financial mob decision (after several back and forth to Russia for "loans").

For those who remember (you can look it up of course) the case started with BIG loans the Cyprus government were taking off (WITHOUT needing them) during 2011. The politicians involved saw their "loans" given away for free by the Banks who led Cyprus to its "bail-in"; more here: http://www.koutipandoras.gr/article/34827/apokleistiko-lista-fotia-se-poioys-politikoys-esvisan-daneia-stin-kypro

Sad thing is, that a VERY big number of "whale" creditors were drawing money out since the banking system got "locked down" for weeks back then. Those were mainly Russian residents (there are many Russians in Cyprus, since there's a law for anyone purchasing an expensive residence, gains automatically the Cyprus citizenship) plus BIG bankers and capitalists that led (ie:wiring) the money to the Greek banking system via the banking branches there (ie: Laiki Bank or Cyprus Popular Bank Public Co -> off their Marfin branch of Greece). Then Peireaus Bank accumulated Laiki Bank off their own money. Neat eh?

http://www.laiki.com/GR/Announcement/Pages/exLaikiAnnouncement.aspx

Whenever there's A LOT of money, there's always the way to STFU the mouths that talk too much. Most people STILL didn't get what went wrong with Cyprus; and most possible they won't see the same scenario coming for the whole EU. Believe me; this is NOT conspiracy. This is part of the news you will be hearing in the next few months.

Cheers.
3012  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 04:33:55 PM
Satanist bears trying to keep it a 666 for the baby jebuses birthday. for shame

THAT'S BETTER!!!

$669.99999
3013  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 04:11:55 PM
May I please REPEAT myself?
I'd prefer more of a prettier figure like $696.969696969
It's FREAKING CHRISTMAS! Grin Grin Grin Grin


Thankya... Grin
3014  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 04:06:53 PM

Wonder what the pre-defined hierarchy of creditors is, and how high are peoples checking accounts are on that list. So as long as you don't own any bonds or have any money in any bank you're money will be taken last?

Yep. This is pretty much accurate. In Cyprus they took every cent above 100,000euro creditors. I've watched a show about it; one of them was the "economic nobel prize" winner, a professor in economics who got 1,000,000 of euro as his prize and he was left with 100,000...  Undecided

Yeah, that's quite volatile...

Zhou Tonged - Cyprus Anthem

http://youtu.be/yc6Hp_Zq3rU



More volatility than BTC in a year Cheesy
3015  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 03:56:57 PM

Wonder what the pre-defined hierarchy of creditors is, and how high are peoples checking accounts are on that list. So as long as you don't own any bonds or have any money in any bank you're money will be taken last?

Yep. This is pretty much accurate. In Cyprus they took every cent above 100,000euro creditors. I've watched a show about it; one of them was the "economic nobel prize" winner, a professor in economics who got 1,000,000 of euro as his prize and he was left with 100,000...  Undecided
3016  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 03:51:39 PM
So banks are not safe, what else is new? Grin

Bitcoin is not safe (not 100%)  Grin
It's easier to steal bitcoins than fiat money in a bank account technically.

Bitcoin wallets only have 1 factor authentification (password), a few are even unecrypted. All it needs is a keylogger and the average joe will lose all his bitcoin holdings.
Nerds store them complete offline, but that doesn't help joe. He just don't have the skills to do it (or knows it's necessary).

Bitcoin wallets clearly need 2 factor authentification. Online wallets don't count, they are not safe!
With bitcoin it depends on your own security. So you decide how secure it is, not someone else. That's what's important is in this case. As we speak those things are being built. I heard armory received a fair amount of money from investors for example. Give those projects some time and i'm sure bitcoin will be accessible for Joe also.
+1
Exactly.
3017  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 03:46:46 PM
So banks are not safe, what else is new? Grin

Bitcoin is not safe (not 100%)  Grin
It's easier to steal bitcoins than fiat money in a bank account technically.

Bitcoin wallets only have 1 factor authentification (password), a few are even unecrypted. All it needs is a keylogger and the average joe will lose all his bitcoin holdings.
Nerds store them complete offline, but that doesn't help joe. He just don't have the skills to do it (or knows it's necessary).

Bitcoin wallets clearly need 2 factor authentification. Online wallets don't count, they are not safe!

Under sane perspective, NOTHING is safe. Not gold, silver, bullion, even real estate isn't safe. What's your point here?
3018  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 03:39:13 PM
So banks are not safe, what else is new? Grin

For you and me (among others here) it's not new. But imagine what happened in Cyprus x 25. Then you will get the idea. Wink
3019  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 03:28:05 PM
New Cyprus plan is preparing as we speak on Eurozone (just a feeling that i have from mixing the puzzle )

Fiat holders have to enter as we speak or they will cry after...
Got more information about this?

He's right. Read here:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/content/20131212IPR30702/html/Deal-reached-on-bank-%E2%80%9Cbail-in-directive%E2%80%9D


very good article thanks for that........ i wonder if the fiat holders have read that....
i might be wrong but most of the times i had a feeling was 100% right....

the same feeling i had before 2 years to enter BTC world.......




It says
"Press release - Economic and monetary affairs − 12-12-2013 - 10:16
Parliament and Council Presidency negotiators reached a political agreement Wednesday on the draft bank recovery and resolution directive, the first step towards setting up an EU system to deal with struggling banks. This directive will introduce the “bail-in” principle by January 2016, thereby ensuring that taxpayers will not be first in line to pay for bank failures."

I am a noob, but this sounds like: People have to fear LESS that their bank-money is taken away by them (therefore less interest to put money in bitcoin, not more). (?)

You didn't understand the whole thing I guess.
Bail-in basics

The directive establishes a bail-in system which will ensure that taxpayers will be last in the line to the pay the bills of a struggling bank. In a bail-in, creditors, according to a pre-defined hierarchy, forfeit some or all of their holdings to keep the bank alive. The bail-in system will apply from 1 January 2016.


Now is it clear?  Wink
3020  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 23, 2013, 03:24:11 PM
New Cyprus plan is preparing as we speak on Eurozone (just a feeling that i have from mixing the puzzle )

Fiat holders have to enter as we speak or they will cry after...
Got more information about this?

He's right. Read here:
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/content/20131212IPR30702/html/Deal-reached-on-bank-%E2%80%9Cbail-in-directive%E2%80%9D


very good article thanks for that........ i wonder if the fiat holders have read that....
i might be wrong but most of the times i had a feeling was 100% right....

the same feeling i had before 2 years to enter BTC world.......


There will be a year after the directive is forced to action. Nevertheless the EU stress tests for determining which banks are the "lowballs" are already on and will be due to 2014. This is an interesting thing if you add the latest ratings from S&P.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/20/eu-credit-rating-cut_n_4477738.html

We'll see. My gut tells me to HODL!  Grin
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