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3001  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: October 02, 2015, 01:48:09 AM
After a long debate, I've decided to drink whatever is at hand and follow-up with vigorous exercise to sweat the malady out:

My drinking plan:

RM1600B: 2
W1600M : 20
W1600B  : 5
W1602F  : 2
W1602    : 5
W1603    : 5
W1603A  : 15
W1604    : 99

Hopefully, after some good exercise, any remnants of plague will be be cast back to the fires of their maker.
3002  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: October 01, 2015, 04:04:31 AM

Master Crichton has been ennobled (Baron, L9). "We welcome Lord Crichton to the ranks of the nobles. Considering his young age, we encourage and hope many further achievements!"


I was working on the plans for the lot in the center of borough 9 when the news of my promotion reached me--I would have rather been playing tennis on the tennis court dedicated to HM, but there's a plague to think of. I am honored by the promotion and hope to fulfill the duties of my station with the care and dignity befitting a nobleman.

The King's humble servant,
Crichton
3003  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 30, 2015, 12:56:08 PM
Waffle

Umm why the hell would Evan bring back the reference node, do you have a reason or fact as to why he would or are you talking out of your ass again? The reference node was always a stop gap and the team spent a long time optimizing the code to remove it as decentralization was always the end goal. Guess what, its gone and we are moving forward. You can keep harping on about something happened over 1.5 years ago....you look like an idiot haha

I think you better quickly go drum up some support for MuNer0...maybe you can teach them how to use a command line interface??



I'm not sure you get that people who can use command line supporting Monero is a good thing. A coin whose support base is a bunch of ignorant, greedy, and technically inept blow-hards, is not.

By the way, Illodin, check the text under my avatar; that's the qualifications for an e-cash and dash doesn't meet any of them.

And Evan, aren't you going comment on x-11's flaws? Someone went to the trouble of pointing them out for you, at least you could acknowledge the effort.

Then thats the only community you will have - a very "select" few people who can use a command line....and that's where you will stay...think small, stay small....in Monero's case the proof is in the pudding.

Again with Muner0 has anonymity as its ONLY feature you are trying to market (that you stole from ByteCoin)....it takes ALOT more than that to make a currency....think small, stay small.....

Think flawed, stay flawed.  Wink
3004  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 30, 2015, 06:28:25 AM
Whales are accumulating and holding the price down....

Seriously though once ZeroCash is released Monero will most likely be abandoned. Most of the Monero dev's are part time volunteers and have other projects they can roll onto.

Zero Cash will most likely beat Monero to a GUI as well.

IMO Monero was way over priced for something that takes command lines to work, no official GUI, blockchain bloat problems and hardly any infrastructure in place.

Why would you say monero would be abondoned? What does ZeroCash offer that monero doesn't have?

Zerocash does not even exist yet.

The same mentality that fools people into believing the investment promise over the investment reality is the same one that allows a moderately attractive forty something to be catfished by a con artist pretending to be a multimillionaire-model-CEO who spends his weekends in the Sudan rescuing puppies. People in general are pretty smart, but we (at least most of us) have a tendency to accept stupid ideas with little to no correlation to objective reality because we are caught in the undertow of an emotionally-derived belief. 
3005  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: September 30, 2015, 05:40:04 AM
No stats on ginger? I try to eat a few ounces a day. Cheap and my body loves it   Grin
3006  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 30, 2015, 05:17:52 AM
Waffle

Umm why the hell would Evan bring back the reference node, do you have a reason or fact as to why he would or are you talking out of your ass again? The reference node was always a stop gap and the team spent a long time optimizing the code to remove it as decentralization was always the end goal. Guess what, its gone and we are moving forward. You can keep harping on about something happened over 1.5 years ago....you look like an idiot haha

I think you better quickly go drum up some support for MuNer0...maybe you can teach them how to use a command line interface??



I'm not sure you get that people who can use command line supporting Monero is a good thing. A coin whose support base is a bunch of ignorant, greedy, and technically inept blow-hards, is not.

By the way, Illodin, check the text under my avatar; that's the qualifications for an e-cash and dash doesn't meet any of them.

And Evan, aren't you going comment on x-11's flaws? Someone went to the trouble of pointing them out for you, at least you could acknowledge the effort.
3007  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 29, 2015, 06:43:54 PM
Yes, this would be a fantastic idea if dash wasn't an oligarchy of instaminers.

In the end we're all going after the same thing, a replacement for fiat, that can't corrupted or controlled by any single entity.

Requirements:
- Fungibility - All units of the current must be interchangeable (after sending coins they shouldn't have history attached)
- Speed - The currency must be able to compete with credit cards (1-5 second double-spend proof confirmations)
- Governance - The currency must be governed in a decentralized and decisive way
- Funding - The currency must have a permanent decentralized funding source for development, marketing, legal, etc
- Scalability - The currency must be able to scale to billions of transactions per day with 100% decentralization
- Ease Of Use - The currency must be usable by normal every day people

We're working on solving these problems, how's your progress going? If you don't like the instamine, go start a project and compete with our ideas with other fresh and new ideas. If you aren't trying to solve these problems, why are you here?

Sorry if pointing out the flaws in your leadership and design get in the way of your narrative. But I'm here to support an honest attempt at digital cash. I know why you're here and that's why I'm not letting you off the hook for the instamine or the strategic blunder of not relaunching.

 
3008  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: September 29, 2015, 01:56:27 PM


Automated deposit/withdrawals first
(new players unfamiliar with BCT or trusted admin might be leery of depositing money into the game if there are delays in deposits and withdrawals reported via social media)

This is a thing that will not be done by the Wizard, so delaying it is only a question of having the project management ready. Possibly the OtherTeam has some code that could be redeemed (this is the area where I trust their superiority the most).

Although, your reasoning fails:
- Bank people are used to delays in deposits/withdrawals/trust, so cannot expect instant action.
- Crypto people should know how the thing work, they are also in BCT and have seen the flawless history over the year
- Only new generation crypto people who have learnt to never trust in anything ... such people do not exist.

I see this about solely as a status tool "look how nice backend we have" for the game in the cryptosphere, a little about convenience for the players "I want to buy that but shit I have no money at hand" but almost not at all for the trust (psychologically it feels more trustworthy to have human processing  Cheesy ).

Also the money is not "deposited with the game" it is "held in trust" by the treasurer and if SHTF, only that treasurer's money is gone. MtGox not happening again here, please. This adds to the complexity of developing an automated deposit/withdraw model, and gives the players a misleading impression that their money is deposited to the game, which it expressly is not.

This is an interesting conversation topic, a bit slow to understand but (imo) one area where we need to make things right if we want to present a better alternative to the banking system. If we cut the same corners as they do, we also become fraudulent as they are.

I get what you're saying. I was thinking of my friends who want to play the game, but know nothing of crypto, nor do any banking outside of their debit card.  Smiley
3009  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: September 29, 2015, 07:56:46 AM
Made two vote changes to noms' list. Automated deposit/withdrawals first and building designer fifth (though I want to make this first, because i can't wait to build this way! But I know there are more important core features.  Sad )

  •    Automated deposits/withdrawals (new players unfamiliar with BCT or trusted admin might be leery of depositing money into the game if there are delays in deposits and withdrawals reported via social media)   
  •    New Player Registration + Tutorial (else there is none, meaning no new players!)   
  •    API (includes all tools for programmers to make stuff that interacts with the game)   
  •    Agora Marketplace - Matching Exchange System for Items & Lots (if we assume that otherwise the full-fledged matching is not active, and trades can be done directly via commands)   
  •    Graphical Building Designer - Build with Voxels, costs and data are entered automatically (depending on admins and architects for design is a poor substitute for the minecraftlike-fun of build-pay-yours design
  •    Game Event History / Transaction History - Handy view to see what has happened in your account (compared to no such possibility)   
  •    Logistics script to calculate traffic and desirability of lots (a great addition to value the rentals based on "actual" traffic flows determined by where people live and walk and desire to eat)   
  •    More Realistic Building Payout Script w/choices (otherwise the scripts stays exploitable, and you have no choices over the use of your buildings)   
  •    Business - Building - NPC interaction (this needs to be enabled to get back the economic subgames that were in use in 1550-1599 <- note in our history of almost a year, they were in use for 1.5 months only   )   
  •    Building View - View and Edit Building Data (otherwise the /BLDG tab will stay in GoogleDB even if the rest migrates, because of usability)   
  •    Duty Paid - Shop for every possible item to be created from IC (otherwise the creation will happen via admin commands upon char request, with most items just not being created except by admins themselves)   
  •    Other "core" economic subgames   
  • These should happen in concurrent development by a second developer perhaps
    •    Chapelry view new layer "bird's eye" shows the "satellite" image of the area (else only the 3 different block image layers are available)   
    •    Chapelry view new layer "dissect" shows the view at the chosen elevation (3D building db is needed here)   
    •    3D first-person street view   
    •    3D bird's eye view   

  •    Health Challenge - To make individual drinking/health choices possible (otherwise drinking will be some script with very little control by the char, as it has been now)   
  •    Halls of Fame - See the Best Performers in Multiple Challenges (otherwise such listings are not visible, cf. /CHAR tab)   
3010  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: September 29, 2015, 05:08:18 AM

C'mon man, thats not the monero way!  

This is the monero way! >>> https://forum.getmonero.org/6/ideas/2392/privately-donate-to-privacy-oriented-services


Great idea, particularly the part about helping them get set up. Not every merchant and charity is tech savvy enough to do so on their own. I hope this idea gets funding (xmr and pledges for technical help) soon.

https://twitter.com/XMRpromotions/status/648353833769238528

Some examples of privacy oriented services/projects and their donate pages:

    https://www.torproject.org/donate/donate-options.html.en
    https://www.torservers.net/donate.html
    https://geti2p.net/en/get-involved/donate
    https://protonmail.ch/donate
    https://tutanota.com/community#donate
    https://tails.boum.org/contribute/how/donate/index.en.html
    https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Donate
    https://www.guerrillamail.com/
    http://sigaintevyh2rzvw.onion/faq.html

So if someone is using them, and would like to and is able to support them, maybe it would be worth telling them about xmr support.


I will send at least one message to everyone on the above list this week. Who else is willing to to the same?

Count me in.
3011  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 28, 2015, 03:37:19 PM
IMHO thats wrong
i think ASICs are the cancer of crypto. i prefer an algorithm which runs perfectly on cpu / gpu and cant be made better on an ASIC (monero tries to do that; but same as with ltc in the beginning: only future will show if thats a success or not).

IMHO asics lead to mining centralization.

one cpu one vote...that would be perfect. (granted cpu only has the "problem" of botnets - which sadly also tend to centralize mining)
ASIC's are inevitable if there is incentive to make one for a specific algo.
How can you prevent centralization of cpu power? Buying 1000's of them? And there is this "problem" of botnets as you said.
You can't prevent it. ASIC's (like Antminer) has to be cheap enough to run it by 1000's of people at home.
But if it will be a problem for Dash, we can vote for a change in algo or any change to prevent centalization in the future.
Decentralized Governance by Blockchain is fantastic idea.

Yes, this would be a fantastic idea if dash wasn't an oligarchy of instaminers.

Another assumption. I bought mine masternodes. Does it make me an instaminer?

I know you prefer to be a communist  Wink

Ah, and look at Bitcoin. See what is happening? Dash learnt a lot from it.

Another assumption.

I know you prefer to be a dumbass.  Wink

I assume the guys who instamined 1.5 million coins in two days are disingenuous and the lack of proof of fair distribution means that i have to trust them in order to assume the distribution is spread out enough to be decentralized. Excuse me if i find this scenario laughable, naive, chimerical or stupid.
3012  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 28, 2015, 02:34:57 PM
IMHO thats wrong
i think ASICs are the cancer of crypto. i prefer an algorithm which runs perfectly on cpu / gpu and cant be made better on an ASIC (monero tries to do that; but same as with ltc in the beginning: only future will show if thats a success or not).

IMHO asics lead to mining centralization.

one cpu one vote...that would be perfect. (granted cpu only has the "problem" of botnets - which sadly also tend to centralize mining)
ASIC's are inevitable if there is incentive to make one for a specific algo.
How can you prevent centralization of cpu power? Buying 1000's of them? And there is this "problem" of botnets as you said.
You can't prevent it. ASIC's (like Antminer) has to be cheap enough to run it by 1000's of people at home.
But if it will be a problem for Dash, we can vote for a change in algo or any change to prevent centalization in the future.
Decentralized Governance by Blockchain is fantastic idea.

Yes, this would be a fantastic idea if dash wasn't an oligarchy of instaminers.
3013  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 28, 2015, 05:02:10 AM
As for what you plan meeting reality and mashing algos together being good crypto, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Yes, lets just talk about this then. How is X11 bad for crypto?

It's used for proof-of-work and protecting our decentralized oracle implementation. How would you use a weakness in one of the 11 algorithms to attack the currency?

Do you also realize if I'm wrong and we got attacked, we would just switch to another algorithm? Just like if SHA256 had issues, the bitcoin team would have to switch as well. Instead of switching out the entire algorithm, we could use 10 hashes instead of 11 as the chain.

Also, speaking of distribution. The whole idea behind inventing X11 was that it would reduce the heat/wear-and-tear on GPUs that were used for mining. This allowed a really long period (...still going after 1.5 years) of hobbyist miners using GPUs to mine Dash.

Had to call on an expert to answer this precisely. But here you go.

"If any one of the hashes in the chain of 11 hashes has a lower entropy then the entire chain does. Say you found this vulnerability and didn't announce it. Instead you could use it to amplify your hashrate. With that you could take unfair levels of mining rewards, or potentially launch double-spend attacks.

Fixing it after the fact also probably means the inability to unwind the damage already done if it had gone on a long time undetected.

So 11 hashes is 11 times more likely to have a vulnerability than 1 hash."
3014  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero vs Boolberry Chess Challenge and CryptoNote technical discussion on: September 28, 2015, 02:23:11 AM
I would like to join Team Boolberry

My move choice is e7-e5

Care to make any comments about Zerocash based on the recent tweet of Matthew Green?

https://twitter.com/matthew_d_green/status/648221218773049344

Has the zkSNARK setup (requiring trust to ensure an unlimited number extra coins are not produced in secret) problem been solved?

CryptoNote definitely is the best solution available today.

View key functionality may also future proof its ability to comply with regulatory compliance in a way the competition cannot.

I think the more privacy tools the better. Who wants to play chess with all knights?
3015  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 28, 2015, 01:44:54 AM
....I will continue to point it out as long as the dash literature says "no premine."

It doesn't say "no instamine", so I think "no premine" is ok.
Man, you care more about Dash than I  Wink


Dash defamed itself. I'm merely pointing out the facts.

Defamed? It's gaining traction.
You can point out those "facts" as long as you can. I don't care about what you do with your time.


As for dash's masternode system with its human points of failure, this system will garner the attention of authorities who can break it if the market cap ever gets big enough to matter. I intend for people to know all the flaws of your coin and make certain that a system that is flawed and gives people a false sense of security/privacy never lives long enough to reach that ignominious day. My motivation is to call the fraud for what it is and make certain that a good privacy coin takes its rightful place. If you have a problem with that, pick  another coin to shill.

As I said, Dash explores. You can't even say nor imagine what system we can incorporate since we have "Decentralized Governance and Budget System".

"Our coin was instamined but it's ok to advertise NO PREMINE" is the type of semantic niggling that leads me to believe little to none of the dash defenders has an inkling of fairness in advertising. Sure it's true that high fructose corn syrup isn't sugar, but I'm certainly going to call bullshit on any company who has this additive in their products and puts "sugar free" on their labels. The reason is that the consumers who are most concerned about avoiding sugar calories are most likely the same ones who are looking to avoid corn syrup. Dash's advertising "no premine' gives the same impression to consumers who are most likely looking for a product that didn't reward itself dishonestly or accidentally. The fact that dash advertises "no premine" and then tries to hide the intsamine facts by burying it in their literature goes to show the community is aware of the bad perception it gives and that a few people would not buy the coin if they knew the truth. I'm amazed that Evan has come out of hiding to acknowledge it--though his defense is the standard, "but everyone does it," which is the cliche answer of those who got caught but aren't apologetic.

As for masternodes, you're an idiot if you think human dependency belongs in a cryptocurrency when it doesn't have to be there. These systems were designed to take as much error and greed out of the hands of humans as possible. A system that willingly incorporates it into their design, and especially a design for privacy, is begging for that system to break--whether this is added out of ignorance, stupidity, arrogance,  greed or another "accident" is beyond me. All I know is that it doesn't belong there.

3016  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 28, 2015, 01:03:43 AM
One of the cryptonote coins that launched fairly should be #1 (XMR, AEON, BBR)

Should be? Well, it is not. Now everybody can see what your motivation is in defaming Dash.



Because they don't claim to be private...
...it shows that some in the community are banking on public ignorance or are ignorant themselves of what makes a good privacy coin.

Bitcoin was an experiment. Dash also is an experiment but it explores. Its privacy hasn't been broken yet and it will be even improved.
But there are more things that makes coin a currency.

Dash defamed itself. I'm merely pointing out the facts. Either it was instasmined by accident and the dev should have rescinded the launch to avoid later criticism or it was a sham launch to line his pockets. You can blame you dev for that, not me. And I will continue to point it out as long as the dash literature says "no premine."

As for dash's masternode system with its human points of failure, this system will garner the attention of authorities who can break it if the market cap ever gets big enough to matter. I intend for people to know all the flaws of your coin and make certain that a system that is flawed and gives people a false sense of security/privacy never lives long enough to reach that ignominious day. My motivation is to call the fraud for what it is and make certain that a good privacy coin takes its rightful place. If you have a problem with that, pick  another coin to shill.
3017  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 28, 2015, 12:32:56 AM
I just want those who aren't aware of the situation to have all the facts before they invest their money in what is either bad or worse management.

Yeah right.
Did I see you in those real scam coins thread? No, I didn't. Why?
Guess what?

Because they don't claim to be private, and if you look at my sig and my post history, you'll see that is my interest. It's sad that the leading market cap in privacy is a coin that depends on a hackneyed crypto system and a dev who is either a liar or shows poor long term planning. One of the cryptonote coins that launched fairly should be #1 (XMR, AEON, BBR), until a better privacy system is achieved (zerocash, quantum money...). It shows that some in the community are banking on public ignorance or are ignorant themselves of what makes a good privacy coin.
3018  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 28, 2015, 12:14:15 AM

You're missing the point. If you want legitimacy as a coin without having to explain why the instamine doesn't matter, you relaunch the coin. I don't care if you relaunch dash or not. Masternodes are a ridiculous privacy system and that's enough to keep me out.

Legitimacy as defined by who?

You?

I personally don't have a problem with the coin because as stated in the OP "This one is for all those who fall in love with a coin."

I don't fall in love with coins therefore this "legitimacy" that you speak of is irrelevant for a balanced system to revolve.

Perfection is something that should be sought after.

That much is commendable.

Expecting actual perfection is a fools game that will always be lost.

Name one thing in life (man made) that is perfect.

I can't and i'm ok with that.










If you are fine with a man in leadership who is either lying/misleading you about the instamine or didn't have the foresight to see that the instamine would haunt the community and a relaunch would be a simple and efficient means to avoid the situation permanently, then good for you. I just want those who aren't aware of the situation to have all the facts before they invest their money in what is either bad or worse management.
3019  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 27, 2015, 11:37:27 PM
What an utterly irresponsible response for a coin's core dev/founder to make.

The uncalled for, unprofessional, baseless assumption of motivations ('I guess you bought hype about Darkcoin when it was $12') is bad enough.

You're right. I take it back, I shouldn't have speculated.

But the 'everybody does it' tu quoquo is an atrocious deflection of responsibility for Dash's uniquely botched launch and concomitant insta/pre/oopsy-mine.

I take 100% responsibility for the instamine as a bug and as a feature of Dash. As it turns out, all cryptocurrencies have founders with more than 5%. It's not "everybody does it", but "it's required for the success of a cryptocurrency".

Glad to see you being more reasonable, but you still lack any factual/evidential basis on which to assert "all cryptocurrencies have founders with more than 5%."  Coblee doesn't have 5% of LTC; tacotime/fluffypony don't have 5% of XMR.

Now please maintain that rationality and follow our agreed-upon premises to their logical conclusion, that Dash should be relaunched in a fair, transparent, and competent manner.

I am not sure who is more entertaining?

Between you and generalizethis I am just about in tears (of laughter) over this bickering.

When you guys say "it's not fair" all I can think of is the way children react when someone takes away their toys.

"DASH should be relaunched"?

LOL

Setting any bias I have for LTC/DASH aside that has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard!

Now without letting this thread (LTC vs DASH) get anymore out of hand with this third wheel Monero piggybacking can you please tell us what the crypto community stands to gain from DASH relaunching?

More specifically what do you have to gain from DASH relaunching?

I would also like to point out to you that Time Travel Signups are now open to the public.

Feel free to sign up: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1194084.0

Then maybe you can undo the past or something to gain the advantage you are looking for.





You're missing the point. If you want legitimacy as a coin without having to explain why the instamine doesn't matter, you relaunch the coin. I don't care if you relaunch dash or not. Masternodes are a ridiculous privacy system and that's enough to keep me out.
3020  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: LTC vs. DASH on: September 27, 2015, 09:57:37 PM
Your article doesn't persuade that the coin is fairly distributed. It's based on circumstantial evidence and supposed common sense--whereas the most common sense move would have been to relaunch the coin after the faulty launch (supposing that is the truth).

I did relaunch the coin! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg4588649#msg4588649

The first launch was broken and not "fair" so I relaunched...

You can't have a decentralized, fungible, private currency with too many coins being held in too few hands*.

Mass Adoption is the goal.... lots of hands are going to be in the pot.

I don't, anymore than i trust mashing 11 algos together is best practices in crypto or having human fail points in a privacy scheme is a good idea.

Anyone that says X11 isn't secure doesn't understand how it's actually being used. Apples and Oranges.

The second launch was broken and not fair (~1.5 million coins in 48 hours), so you should have relaunched if you wanted to avoid the conversation we are having right now. Again, either you are lying or couldn't see an obvious pitfall (and i'm being generous with pitfall as some would say impossible gorge) on the road to legitimacy.

As for what you plan meeting reality and mashing algos together being good crypto, we'll have to agree to disagree.
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