Here is a 2-hour long film that takes to task to reconstruct the events of that fateful day. Subtitled in English: ODESSA 5/02: The Untold Truth of Kulikovo Field [Part 1 ] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whqQCx6RXkYODESSA 5/02: The Untold Truth of Kulikovo Field [Part 1 ] HD 1080p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja4c8sHHhSE Published on 7 May 2014 The first part of Odessa 5/02 documentary film, compiled of the extensive amount of video footage done on that day by various witnesses and investigated throughout an independent view point. Soon we'll post the second part that will include further footage, few interviews of survived witnesses as well as the Right sector searches inside of the building later that night. Thank you all, friends, for a positive feedback! We encourage you to rip this video using http://www.clipconverter.cc and re-upload it to your channel in order to spread this material and protect it from being deleted by Youtube. |
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Looks like Pagan has come into office and started his working day   You can set your clock by him, and judge the importance of the day that passed by the density and aggressiveness of his posts. And it seems Pagan has punched his card off on his way out of the office for today. Judging by the working hours, he's in US. Reposting this, that got pushed out: Kiev lets loose 'Men in Black' death squads on East Ukrainian civilianshttp://www.sott.net/article/278894-Kiev-lets-loose-Men-in-Black-Death-Squads-on-East-Ukrainian-Civilians |
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Looks like Pagan has come into office and started his working day You can set your clock by him, and judge the importance of the day that passed by the density and aggressiveness of his posts. |
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Investor Protection Fund of Crimea has opened a special account in the Russian National Commercial Bank (RNCB) for the settlement of loans taken by Crimeans in Ukrainian Privatbank, which blocked all the accounts of their customers and stopped operations on the peninsula, according to the fund. http://www.utro.ru/news/2014/05/12/1194325.shtml |
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Yes. They will have to exist as an independent nation for a few years, before being granted accession with Russia. Any immediate merger will prove extremely expensive for Putin. Not to say, controversial. In the meantime, they see strength in numbers, so Donetsk People's Republic announced their readiness to merge with Lugansk People's Republic: http://www.interfax.ru/world/375861Ukraine continues its invasion of the neighbouring state, heavy artillery fire is heard in Slavjansk: http://ria.ru/world/20140512/1007526444.htmlUkraine closed border control posts in Lugansk region. Do they have jurisdiction to do so now? http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/12/border1/This is because Lugansk officially proclaimed their independence right after Donetsk, with grounds in international law: http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1573899&cid=999Here is Dontesk people's Republic independence proclamation news: http://www.tvc.ru/news/show/id/39459The USA Founding Fathers should be happy. More nations are following their example!
State Duma factions welcome Ukraine referendum resultshttp://rt.com/politics/158412-russia-duma-ukraine-referendum/“Such referendums are even more in line with the original referendum idea than those held by the state as these are real grassroots events,” Melnikov told reporters. ”If the share of those who support federalization is above 90 percent, it becomes a primary political factor that simply cannot be ignored,” he added, calling the event “an important signal flare for the fight of all southeast [Ukraine].” |
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Well, Serbia refused to participate this year, and I hope other East-European countries will follow suite.
I agree that the few talented performers who do end up participating are wasting their efforts. And now, with the semi-final model, they often don't make the final, which makes the rigged system even more obvious.
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Russia Threatens to cut off Natural Gas to Ukraine http://news.yahoo.com/russia-threatens-cut-off-ukraine-gas-june-3-154426657.htmlMoscow (AFP) - Russia's state energy giant Gazprom warned on Monday that it may halt natural gas shipments to Ukraine on June 3 in a move that could impact the supplies of at least 18 EU nations.
Gazprom chief executive Alexei Miller said Ukraine must pay upfront for its June deliveries because of outstanding debts. He added that Kiev had until the morning of June 3 to make the payment "or Ukraine will receive zero cubic metres (of gas) in June," Interfax reported. Not so much to cut of, but to actually get some money for the gas they are going to delivering: Gazprom to cut supplies to Ukraine from June if no prepaymenthttp://rt.com/business/158444-russia-ukraine-gas-supplies/Kiev already owes the company more than $3.5 billion, which compares to Gazprom’s annual gas supply to Poland.
“In case Ukraine does not pay for the June supplies, Gazprom will notify the Ukrainian side, before 10am on June 3, and the volume of gas will be supplied to Ukraine in accordance with the advanced payment,” Miller said. But Europe will suffer if Ukraine does not pay: “The Ukrainian energy minister, Yury Prodan, conveyed alarming information saying that Ukraine does not guarantee gas injections to underground storages in the summer period… which means they do not guarantee the transit of gas to European countries due to the lack of resources – and the unwillingness to solve the problem in principle,” Novak said. |
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That russian-chinese border is not where both side want it for real.
Although the USSR and the PRC fought a disastrous war over the border in 1969, an agreement acceptable to China was reached in 1991 (the Sino-Russian border agreement, where the disputed area was ceded to China by Russia). Both sides are happy with the border as of now. And both countries ratified their common border with UN, something that has not been done with Ukraine.
Further on the topic of Ukraine, a lonely voice of reason in US. Ron Paul: Why is US involved in Ukraine?http://rt.com/usa/158448-ron-paul-us-involved-ukraine/ “The US sees this as a Russian-sponsored destabilization effort, but is it so hard to understand that the people in Ukraine may be annoyed with the US and EU for their involvement in regime change in their country?” he asked. “Would we be so willing to accept an unelected government in Washington put in place with the backing of the Chinese and Iranians?”
Sanctions, what sanctions? France refuses to block Mistral warship deal with Russiahttp://rt.com/news/158468-france-russia-mistral-deal/ "The Mistrals are not part of the third level of sanctions. They will be delivered. The contract has been paid and there would be financial penalties for not delivering it.
"It would be France that is penalized. It's too easy to say France has to give up on the sale of the ships. We have done our part," the official said.
Oh, this is what Ukraine needs! The Ukrainian Minister of Economic development announced that all state investments into Ukrainian industry will be frozen. http://itar-tass.com/ekonomika/1181058?utm_medium=rss20This is done to not enforce further social austerity.
SBU got warning about preparation of assassinations against Yatsenjuk and Turchinov , as well as Presidential candidates Bogomolec, Dobkin, Ljashko, Poroshenko, Tigipko, Timoshenko and Tjagnobok. And they reacted to these threats by increasing the spendings on their guarding. http://ria.ru/world/20140512/1007502286.htmlWhat all of them at once? |
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Medical jet with wounded RT journalist lands in Moscowhttp://rt.com/news/158408-rt-cameraman-wounded-ukraine/“We are also very grateful to the medics at Mariupol hospital, who did everything possible to save our journalist’s life. Thank God he was wearing a bulletproof vest. According to doctors, if not for the bulletproof vest, he would have died at the scene,” she added. “We were approximately 300-400 meters away from the Internal Affairs HQ building. Your journalist was showing to the armed people in masks that he was unarmed and that he was with the press, that he was a journalist. Then he tried to cross the street, and that’s when the shot was made and he fell down,” the resident said in an interview to RT.
Donetsk People's Republic asks Moscow to consider its accession with Russiahttp://rt.com/news/158436-donetsk-republic-ask-join-russia/This is interesting, and, I think, a bit hasty. They should rather reinforce their independence and ask for peacekeepers.
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There is a precedent for it. Look up Baarle-Nassau in Google Maps. Some houses have front doors in Netherlands and back doors in Belgium. They tax by where their front door is.  Yeah , but that is a problem with the border. If every village could join what country they want you could go from France,Germany,china,japan,us,Canada in less than 3 km.  Half of the population would be border patrols and customs officers. And that would solve unemployment problems! I said before that people who think that today's borders are set in stone are fools. Yugoslavia was re-written. Other borders will be as well. It all needs soak time. |
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We had a mayor who wanted a referendum that his village would become part of Germany also . Wonder how the world map would look like if that would be possible. There is a precedent for it. Look up Baarle-Nassau in Google Maps. Some houses have front doors in Netherlands and back doors in Belgium. They tax by where their front door is. |
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the questions is why dint the west send observers if they support the democracy concept ? why are the west against the referendum on the first place ? if the Ukrainian Junta is so confident why they dont allow the referendum ? it will fail anyway no ?
"Referendum" is the West's new no-no undemocratic word right there along with "terrorism".
People's Republic of Lugansk refuses to participate in the Ukrainian presidential elections: http://www.interfax.ru/world/375810
A resident of Krivoj Rog demands that his house is annexed to Russia. http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/12/ask/
Janukovich demands that EU-backed Kiev junta pull the military from the South-East. He said that "you can ignore the results of the referendum despite the turnout, but you cannot ignore the fact that there are no terrorists in the South-East, and the the war is waged on the own people." http://www.interfax.ru/world/375811 |
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There is one thing I don't get it.
If it's a canal , man made , doesn't it have already some debit control gates built in?
Why the hell do they have to build a dam?
Judging by the sat images, there is one here, at the start of the canal: Paste into Google Maps search: 46.759748, 33.398324 They can't just close the dams, though. In the CabMin meetings Turchinov proposed cutting off water supplies by blaming construction/maintenance works. |
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The figures from Lugansk are out. 96.2% voted for independence. That is much stronger voice for independence when compared to Donetsk (89%)> Have to remember that the turnout in Lugansk was higher than that in Donetsk as well.
And be honest , do you really think those numbers are real? Even Jesus won't get that many votes pro when running for pope I think those numbers are real, from the base of those who decided to participate in the voting. Plus, from the recent set of events, the emotions are flying high. I read several accounts of those who were hedging, saying they made their minds after Odessa and Mariupol. |
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This thread is no longer a discussion , it's a propaganda war with people posting news. Why the hell do you post the entire wall of text just to make my mouse wheel scream?
Post the link and that's all.
I agree with you there. Posting a link, with a short quote for the lazy ones is enough. I also think that the initial intent of this thread was to collect news items pertaining to the events. The events are usually reflected in the news, preferably the first-hand sources. |
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There is a third option. Wait out until the 25th and the Ukrainian presidential elections. Then talk with the actual legitimate government of Ukraine. I have a suspicion it'll be the chocolate king.
If anything, referendums can be re-run in calmer conditions. Norway had two referendums about joining EU, both times voting 'no', so there's nothing wrong having two referendums about the same question.
In the meantime he should sugegst moving in UN peacekeeping forces under, say, Serbian command to avoid further massacres of the civilians.
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No voting booths? A definitely saw some, as reported from various locations. Also, check out this yesterdays broadcast of Vesti: http://russia.tv/video/show/brand_id/5402/episode_id/986747/video_id/999088About the Victory Day celebrations in Crimea: at 10:00 About the Odessa massacre at ~30:00 (The nazi admitting on camera that everything is coordinated with the local police, in a clip taken prior to the events) They draw a parallel to the events leading up to NATO's invasion of Yugoslavia: a number of bloody provocations and massacres that were not reported by the Western media, then when people started to retaliate, it suddenly got reported on front pages as aggression, justifying an invasion. About the referendum in South-East: at 45:00 (you can see the booths ) About Montenegro referendum: 1:45:00 (The difference between yes and no was then a little over 1000 votes) |
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I was making a statement by placing it in Politics. Interestingly, lack of interest in this topic is an indicator all of its own. |
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