I skimmed, I don't think I have ever posted in that section. All I saw was a wrenchmonkey getting bent over a table by other community members about his comments in support of BFL. I guess blowing smoke is all you have left. Kinda sad.... Do you want me to post the joke DHL notice that shows Avalon delivering to BFL? Sure? Here it is:  Was this what has got you all worked up, Slok? Is that the great controversy of smoke billowing from thy bottom? This was posted by Josh weeks before I posted my joke post....  |
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Hahaha! That's awesome. He wants to defame the company and do nothing but complain, but then he gets all butthurt when they tell him to take his business elsewhere! "I hate you and your company so much, but don't you DARE tell me I can't buy your products!" The hypocrisy is overwhelming! I have, as a business owner myself, had the wonderful satisfaction of telling the very rare disagreeable customer to take their money and get the fuck out. The reaction is always PRICELESS. You're not entitled to force me into an abusive customer/business relationship. If you're unhappy, I'll try and make you a happy customer. If you're going to be a prick, I'll save us both some time, and you can go be somebody else's problem. 99.999% of all of my customer interactions are amicable, and most 'dissatisfied' customers are easily turned into satisfied customers with very little effort, a little dialogue, and compromise on both sides. It doesn't always involve me giving exactly what they asked for in their complaint. If I have a delay in being able to fill somebody's order, I give them a choice of a refund, or waiting it out. Regardless, the choice is in their hands. If they believe that my product is worth waiting for, they will. If not, they can seek other arrangements. Most rational human beings can understand that. I have a customer who has been waiting on a $2900 order since September (This is a customer who orders $20,000 worth of products a year through me), when the original estimated delivery time was back in December. Every few weeks, I provide an update on the fact that I'm STILL waiting on a supplier to provide his order to me, and EVERY TIME I offer to refund him if he doesn't feel like waiting anymore. And EVERY TIME, he thanks me for the offer but chooses to continue with his order, as my price is competitive with everybody else, and he's not likely to get it much faster anywhere else. Keep in mind that due to government paperwork, that even AFTER his order gets to me, it will still be tied up in bureaucratic red tape for another 3-4 Months, even if it showed up TODAY. If, for some reason, he started trolling forums and defaming my business, calling me a scammer, etc, etc. I would write him a refund check, PRONTO, and tell him that his customer privileges have been revoked. Then again, he's not an asshole, so I can't see this ever happening. I fully support BFL's response to the idiots who want to go around trashing them, but also think they are entitled to continue to buy whatever they want from them. The world doesn't owe you anything. BFL doesn't owe you anything. Learn to watch what you say about people that you want to do business with, because business is a two-way street. You have the right to take your business elsewhere, but business owners have the right to send you packing as well. I love it when a company owner has the cajones to remind imbeciles of that fact from time to time. The Westboro Baptist church went to a town near where I grew up one time, to spew their hate at whatever random event was happening that day (military funeral, I believe). Somebody cut 2 of their tires. The WBCers drove all around town on 2 flat tires trying to find a tire shop to buy tires from. Every single tire shop they stopped at recognized them and told them they weren't worthy to be their customers. They finally ended up going to Wal-Mart, who has no standards, and is used to interacting with trash, and got some tires. As far as I know, they've never been back to McAlester Oklahoma.  No clue where you guys are referencing from. The links you guys are using are not even mine or anything to do with me. Keep trying though? |
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Have I missed something Slok? You keep linking to one of Jordans posts....what does that have to do with me? (enlighten me?) I think you might be desperate at this point. |
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Man, obsessed a bit? 37 of you last 40 posts are in BFL topics, a stalking creep, you don't have a life, do you?
quote puerto: "BFL: We raised prices [period] and our employee started taking chips to renovate his mining farm. Thousands of chips. (no, I am not kidding, go look on the BFL forums. It is what got me banned from there.)".
You were banned for spreading lies like this, PuertoLibre, together with your hubby Frizz23 which went as a girl back then, who copied that fud topic from here to bfl, RollerGirl, on which you jumped so quickly?
If you like to see how yellow you are, log out and check. WHOA...WTF? Stop your BS right there pal... This is confirmed. BFL_Josh himself confirmed it and said so on BFL forums! He even stated when his orders were made, how he was losing "thousands" and that it was more than just 2 Minirigs. But he said (I paraphrase) in all his graciousness he was taking less of his pre-order lot than he should have. And no, He DIDN'T apologize to anyone for it. ---------------------- Each Minirig (1.5TH) has/had 192 chips. Multiply that by two (before the power specs went to crap) and you come to ~400 ASIC chips or so. Now as it currently stands, The Minirigs consume much more power and produce way too much heat. The Latest statements by BFL_Josh (Also known as Inaba) state that each individual Minirig will be shipped as two (or more) units to fulfill orders. When this is taken into account with the new revised boards being introduced. The chips in Each Minirig (at best) have doubled. That means where before there were 192 ASICs per case....there is now approximate 400 spread out over two (or more) cases. Josh would then be taking at least 800 ASIC chips under the new revised specs. Josh said the revised boards now take a maximum of 16...up from 8. So do your math and apply a little bit of logic and 2 Minirigs should take up nearly an entire wafer. (1 wafer ~1100 chips @ 65nm) This is no lie. Learn to think and reason. Or if you must shill...at least be exceptional at it. Your piss poor efforts have only dredged up a recent topic that is going to annoy the folks at BFL. |
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I will give away (as a gift) 25 cents (to get a clue) to the first person who makes a thread (as a BFL shill only) that says BFL is expected to ship 500 units by May 20th.
Because, as we all know, they will ship at least that many by the 20th....right?
(Master BFL Shill)
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Another lie from PuertoPrabably, only after being caught he called it a joke. Like the "omg they just bought new benches" fail and countless other fail postings. BS. I was never caught in anything. I didn't even lie about it. -------------------- If you are talking about the BFL benches there was no lie in that either (I am not even sure what you mean). The benches BFL bought was added to their new facility around January 2013. Yes, many thought it was strange that BFL was supposedly going to ship en masse supposedly in October 2012 without those benches. I think you hit your head on the toilet again Slok. The benches topic hasn't a single thing to do with me. I dunno what you are trying to get at....but in case no one knows, Slok is trying to build a smoke screen by blowing it up each and every persons ass. If he made a legitimate critique about me, I'd understand. But pulling topics out of the air and then reassembling them and attributing them to me doesn't even make sense as a critique. I am not sure what his angle is or what it even has to do with me or any lies? If you are going to lie (PuertoLibre, a very hardcore anti-BFL Shill who openly resents and shouts down every customer and employee of BFL on forums) then at least do a presentable lie, maybe someday your ignore button will lose it's yellow urine stains again. Don't hold your breath though, clueless computerrepairclown. It is still yellow? (recall I can't see it as I don't use the default skin) BFL does not need me to point out it's errors. I could go absolutely silent on the topic and still others (including BFL customers) would point it out. Or perhaps you believe I am behind each customers keyboard and disappointed reply as well? Perhaps you need a reality check you shameless shill. If you are going to be a shill at least be an exceptional one. So, now that you posted my profile link, it must also be an easy job to show where the posts are that give substance to your accusations? Next fail, I guess?
Sure, turn the page and keep reading. Everyone will keep an eye open on your posts and see if there is any substance to what I have said about you. In fact, just on the first page there is plenty. Lets see if that changes the substance of your posts in the future.... The truth hurts...huh.. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/members/slok.html |
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In case no one has figured out the subtle messages...It means BFL is still in the testing phase. A full wafer is 1,100 chips according to josh. You only package 100 chips when you are only asking for a sample. Meaning they are trying to save money and probably doing individual wafers. If you take that idea into account, the rest of their recent updates make sense as to why they are evolving so slowly. They are saving money at the expense of time, it seems.
For miners time is money.
Josh has also said that board revisions only take 24 to 48 hours. Recall that he said that last month. Did this revision of PCB's (boards) take 24 to 48 hours? No. It did not.
Learn to read past the bullshit and you will be a smart investor.
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Another busy week here at the labs. We continued to refine the LS/S/MR boards while waiting for our next delivery of chips. We expected them today, Friday the 10th, but the packager has been dragging their feet in the process (and one of the reasons we initiated the switch to a new packaging facility, as mentioned previously). The first bulk shipment from the new packaging house is expected on Tuesday and should consist of several hundred chips, which we will be building into all the product lines, assuming no snags are encountered this weekend on the latest rev of the LS/S/MR boards. If there is a blocking problem, we will build them all into 5 GH/s units, but we don't expect any blocking issues at this point.
The rest of the wafers are expected at the bumping facility the following week, and once bumped, they will head to the new packaging facility which is capable of a much higher volume, so we expect them to be packaged pretty quickly and ready for use after they arrive at the facility. [MAY 10] "Several hundred chips" ------> [MAY 13] "100 chips" So even with the May 10th estimate, now it has changed. So much for forecasts on anything. (Rather than posting new threads, figured I should probably start one long master thread of updates until they start shipping singles. Will aim to keep these first two posts full of "official" information culled from the BFL Forums until Singles start flowing out to customers. Will aim to keep this thread troll-free as there are plenty other troll threads in this sub.) --- https://forums.butterflylabs.com/announcements/692-bfl-asic-status-3.html#post32585
BFL_Josh: 13 May 2013 Update We just got off the phone with our testing facility... they will have ~100 chips in Chicago tomorrow. What configuration of boards all those are going in, I'm not sure yet as I haven't gotten that far, but I wanted to post an update. We should have more chips in Chicago by the end of the week. The chips going through mounting tomorrow should arrive in KC on Wednesday and we'll be shipping out some units then. We are having some trouble with the new Single board and we are working through the issues now and should hopefully have a a resolution before the end of the week. Right now, the board is having trouble powering up the second bank of chips, so we are poking and prodding to figure out where the problem is and get it corrected. When we make a change to a board, we can have a revised board the next day, so it doesn't really set things back when we make revisions to an already existing board. That said, we'll likely be creating a few Singles boards with this set of chips and a number of Jalapeno's. The expected larger quantity of chips later in the week will probably go more towards LS/S/MR boards. --- To those who know about chips and wafers....100 chips means it is a sample of a wafer. That means that BFL is still trying to tackle the issue of power consumption. Effectively (I think) it means that they are doing only samples. They haven't....and likely aren't....going into full scale production for quite some time. Forget May. Aim for Mid June. We hope. |
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I believe the Apocalyse and Second Coming will come long before there exists a BFL ASIC. I see on BFL forums people who also think the same and have opened threads to that same effect. Sad, isn't it?
I'm actually pretty stunned at how much the tables have turned over there on the BFL forums, and even more stunned that Josh hasn't gone on a massive deleting spree of all the negative comments on the forums. Sadly, it has been like that for a while. The fact is, you just can't keep screwing people perpetually. Eventually, you just reach a consensus that "something is wrong". -------------------- The main worry I have is that the next 5 days are probably going to be a SUPER REFUND Festival. Consider: --People from April 1st will be requesting refunds (if they are in anyway smart). Just to renew their 45 day protection from PayPal. --10 days have lapsed since the start of BFL's CONFIRM OR REFUND email. They sent out that email on May 2nd. --BFL has seemingly slowed down significantly to responding to emails. Dave said 2 weeks. Though I see people on BFL forums who are saying closer to a month or never received a response. Basically put, the situation is ripe for a hurricane of refunds. What would you do if you couldn't get in contact with BFL in any reasonable time if you ordered on April 1st? Would you allow the 45 days to lapse? What if you are a customer who has asked about the specific terms of the CONFIRM OR REFUND agreement? What if you want to know something like the below before confirming the acceptance to vague changes?: "When will it ship?" "Can I still ask for a refund afterwards?" "What are the power specs on the new devices before I agree to the changes?" etc. ---------------------------- Would you hold your ground and risk your money not being refunded if you accept the new terms? How would you request a refund to renew your Paypal Buyer Protection if you can't get in contact with anyone at BFL in a reasonable time frame? It looks to me like BFL is immensely understaffed for the customer service side of things. They have 5 people working email but they haven't gotten their times back down to reasonable levels. So that is a red flag for future instability in my view.
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Courtesy of: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/2661-received-mildly-rude-call-bfl.htmlPosted by JunkieXL: I couldn't reply...it was a voicemail.
I sort of feel powerless now and that BFL has me by the balls. The call I received over the weekend (won't say who it was) but you can tell they are at their wits end and they just don't care. This person was responding to my e-mails. Basically it was to ask me to stop asking questions because they have a plethora of e-mails to answer.
I was being accused of asking the same questions...might have had me confused with someone else. Long story short, the questions I ask they have no info for right now and that I should just wait until more info becomes available.
Fair enough but the rudeness in this reply made me realize how little they care about customers now. I wish I could say that was all there was to the reply, but it got worse. It went on to further add how I'm not the highest paying customer...as if to say I don't matter as much as others. Words were attempted to be used carefully but it was a train wreck of a voicemail that exposed how they truly feel. I won't say what this person was replying to, but it was an olive branch statement I made which is why the rudeness surprised me. I was considering buying more and asked them a few things.
I think because my rigs cost them a lot more in hardware costs to manufacture now due to the power consumption screw up estimates...it felt like an attempt to make me want to cancel and I feel they would be very happy if I did.
This post probably doesn't have much purpose as I'm being cryptic to protect who it was that called me. I don't want to start a shit storm. I'm just curious if others have been treated similarly? I understand what they are going through. A lot of people are angry and there are a ton of flames to fan. I'm just a bit surprised.
What I have taken from this whole experience has been extreme disappointment. When the second generation of ASIC comes out, I think I'll be going to a competitor unless there is an awesome upgrade plan of some kind. |
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I can't resist. I've worked as a PM and engineer at GE and HP. If I heard the sort of premise and attitude being displayed by Josh - that person would be canned. Simple.
Results oriented middle management are not push-overs - don't let Josh make you think this.
We had a slang used in management meetings called a "Come to Jesus" meeting. Those meetings were never good - since somebody f'ed the pooch - and they either capitulate or career - game over.
We need one big "Come to Jesus" meeting for BFL. I have a feeling rain of fire, the four horsemen, and the end of days would result if that even had a chance of happening. I believe the Apocalyse and Second Coming will come long before there exists a BFL ASIC. I see on BFL forums people who also think the same and have opened threads to that same effect. Sad, isn't it? Damnit: I broke a cardinal rule of giving personal info. Uhg.
Bad cow....bad cow. Never let them see you naked. |
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What fake Avalon DHL shipping notice? I have only ever made one for BFL headquarters (when Avalon shipped) and that was clearly identified and posted as a joke post. Josh did something similar with an "Empty Box" on BFL forums a few weeks before me at the time. Obviously his wasn't as funny as Avalon did actually ship en masse a few weeks later while all his customers sat on their thumbs for months and months...even up until now...they are still waiting.... If you are going to lie ( SLOK a very hardcore BFL Shill who openly resents and shouts down other customers on BFL forums and elsewhere) then at least do a presentable lie. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/members/slok.html |
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Everyone is just another 'cog in the machine', including you Josh… there are some at the very top, but you aren't one of them. If someone is telling you when something will be done, its because they have management skills and know how to get their 'skilled labor' to do what they need them to do. But that person has their own management skillset (and possibly other skills) and is answering to someone else. You, Josh, are at the mercy of many others… the more you think you are a king, or one of the 'untouchables', the less of a chance BFL and/or your employment at BFL has in the long run. (I am envisioning a photoshop'd picture of Josh with a head 5 times larger… maybe a bobble Josh? if only I had time to do a quick photoshop right now!  ) As for your current employer, you may want to get control of your timeline & your delivering of results over there, boss… or you - oh yes, even you - could be replaced.  Josh really doesn't seem to be the person to make comments about timelines or delivering of results. Nor does he seem like the right person to be upset about not being able to have a "civil, intelligent discussion" on the internet… given some of the immature behavior he has exhibited in both BFL and bitcointalk forums. But, maybe I am just living in a false reality.  I am starting to think that the BFL rep is on rather nasty terms with his employers to make a statement like that. I have never heard of an employee openly saying they are irreplaceable (and not a cog). This leads me to think there are serious problems and this may explain why Josh has been nastier than ever before with his statements. If this is the case, then I just want to let BFL management know that they have my backing for the next step. If nothing else, ejecting a sprocket will give them a healthy image for at least 2 more months while they find someone who can work "more effectively" at their job. Its either that or face the eventual collapse of the company. It is their choice... |
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You probably do realize this account is the troll account from another account here. I think it was created in honor of smoothie.
That is correct, but I do have a 30GH/s ASIC from BFL mining, and I received it as a freebie. No kill-a-watt (they measure power consumption right?), I'll post pics later for the blog post when I've written it up and measured long term performance / stability. I don't mind the power consumption, BFL is covering electricity bills too. Why aren't you posting an immediate photo of your BFL ASIC? We just want proof you actually got one. A review can come later.... |
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what i dot understand is one point ,
BFL ask her Customer for a refund or a new waiting time for a few weeks ...
when will the customer demand again?
after 3 Month ? 10 Month ?
If people used Paypal after April 1st. Then, the noobs will request refunds in about 2 to 3 days if they still want PayPal Buyer Protection. Without it, they are at the mercy of BFL. |
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Nice!, when have you received it?
Today. Nice surprise, didn't even pay for it!.........? Oh man, I hope they aren't shipping out orders to the wrong people.... Considering they are barely answering emails and have huge errors in their order logs....it wouldn't surprise me. How is the heat from the device? Is it warm or hot to the touch? Do you have a power measurement device like a Kill-A-Watt? |
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Like you have anything better to do?
Come on Puerto, you live for this stuff! You troll every BFL thread there is, so I imagine you MUST have some sort of master list of all of BFL's transgressions, right?
That would be too organized for the local BFL busters. I find the fact that they were required by paypal to ship some of their pre-orders interesting... though I don't really understand it. Why did paypal require them to like ship a couple of jalapenos? Why would that make any difference? It isn't logical. Paypal would very likely require them to ship ALL orders. The BFL storyline does not add up nor even seem logical. Paypal gains nothing by a merchant shipping a dozen units out of ten thousand. The story is crooked (in my opinion). Also this thread is about their chips being shipped to the US. I though BFL was using some domestic foundry (in California?).
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I do have plenty to add, I am just not doing it with you. You are a known BFL supported and strong shill for them.
People don't really gain anything substantial by answering your demands. You simply ignore the points made even when perfectly legitimate. (Just as you did now) The question is, are you even worth the effort. I think not.
Bwahahaha that's a long way of saying "I have no evidence, so instead I will resort to mocking". It's not that there is no evidence my slow friend. It just means that wasting time with you isn't the best option at this time. Even when the evidence does slap you, you simply ignore it. Again, you did it just now in the last page. There is no incentive to fulfill your request. |
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