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3021  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 12, 2014, 08:12:16 AM
This era's most extreme international crime, the United States-United Kingdom invasion of Iraq, was therefore not a break in world order—because, after failing to gain international support, the aggressors didn't cross Russian or Chinese red lines.

In contrast, Putin's takeover of the Crimea and his ambitions in Ukraine cross American red lines.

They again fail to mention Yugoslavia as the most extreme crime.  Undecided

How can Crimea's joining Russia, Crimea with a predominantly Russia population, Russian naval port, and Russia territory of the last 300 years be crossing American red line. It does not compute. Or have they already placed a NATO base there in their minds in internal maps?
3022  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 11, 2014, 08:18:01 PM

"National Guard" opens fire on civilians and journalists, after people plead them to go away.
3023  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 11, 2014, 06:37:14 PM
In Krasnoarmejsk "National Guard" fascists opened fire at people who came to vote. Oner person murdered:
Fatality, injuries in Ukraine's Krasnoarmeysk as national guards open fire - witnesses
http://rt.com/news/158264-dead-ukraine-krasnoarmeysk-shooting/

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One civilian was killed and several others wounded in eastern Ukraine as the National Guard started shooting at protesters and voters, who had gathered around a seized polling station in Krasnoarmeysk, self-defense forces and witnesses said.

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“I just saw the National Guard kill one and injure several others,” Russian journalist Ilya Azar wrote in his micro-blog. Later this was confirmed by Denis Pushilin, the co-chairman of the self-proclaimed People's Donetsk Republic.

"People were just standing there, unarmed, outside the city council seized by the Guard," Azar tweeted commenting on a photo of the dead young man:

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“Before the shooting took place in Krasnoarmeysk people were negotiating with the 'national guards' in the administration building.They have told people that they are here peacefully and were asking for cigarettes, next thing we know they start shooting.”

“We are lying on the ground. Burst fire over our heads,” Timur Olevskiy, correspondent for Echo Moskvy radio station wrote in his Twitter page. “The killed person had pushed a guard. I didn’t see it. The people standing closer said.”
3024  Other / Politics & Society / Eurovision: What were your top 3? on: May 11, 2014, 06:22:43 PM
It not a secret that Eurovision is a highly political event, where the quality of the song does not play any role. The fact that Germany did not give a single point to Russia, despite a dedicated and large Russian-speaking community, and general Russian-friendly public is telling.  Roll Eyes

If not for politics, the songs from which countries would have you selected?

I would have chosen:
1. Russia (wonderful voices, song text and strong performance)
2. Belgium (didn't make the finals, very good words and professional voice)
3. Austria (not for the beard, the voice is good Tongue)

3025  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: May 11, 2014, 06:00:37 PM
Just watched a documentary drawing parallels between the technology of destruction of Yugoslavia and Ukraine. The signature of the criminals, their motives and their opportunities seem to be similar.
3026  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 11, 2014, 03:40:59 PM
Alas, I don't have time to translate it in full - translate.google.com is your friend here.

However, here's a short synopsis of the events leading to Mariupol massacre.

Police and the protesters had an unwritten agreement in Mariupol that the protesters don't take to arms, and the police does not interfere with marches and meetings.

On the 9th of May the chief of police Androshuk, collected all officers and told that he got a directive from Kiev that the Victory Day memorial meeting will have disruptive elements and that police is to disperse this meeting, and should anyone protest, to open fire without warning.

Police officers refused to obey such orders, so Androshuk shot one of the officers, wounding him. He then called in Right Sector backed reinforcements that attacked the police head questers. The people at the Victory Day demonstration still didn't know what was happening.

By the time shots were hear, people rushed from the demonstration to the police headquarters to assist the besieged policemen, who were trapped in the burning and shelled HQ building.

Androshuk is found hanged near Mariupol airport:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/11/mariupol1/



The number of confirmed dead during the Odessa massacre is now 48, with 200 wounded:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/05/11/n_6143993.shtml



Meet-up for referendum in Lugansk region is over 75%:
http://www.forbes.ru/news/256883-yavka-na-referendume-v-luganskoi-oblasti-prevysila-75



In Krasnoramejsk (RedArmyCity) the voting was aborted due to military intervention, taking over the voting locations:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/11/zahvat/
3027  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 11, 2014, 03:10:58 PM
Mass media (German Bild) told about participation ow Western mercenaries (from Academia/Blackwater) in punitive operations in the East of Ukraine:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1178108?utm_medium=rss20

Here it is in English:
400 US mercenaries 'deployed on ground' in Ukraine military op
http://rt.com/news/158212-academi-blackwater-ukraine-military/

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The Bild am Sonntag newspaper, citing a source in intelligence circles, wrote Sunday that Academi employees are involved in the Kiev military crackdown on pro-autonomy activists in near the town of Slavyansk, in the Donetsk region.

On April 29, German Intelligence Service (BND) informed Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government about the mercenaries’ participation in the operation, the paper said, RIA Novosti reported. It is not clear who commands the private military contractors and pays for their services, however.
3028  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 11, 2014, 03:03:26 PM
Everything seems to be going fine (looking for some wood to knock on)...

Video:
Hundreds elbow their way to polls as Eastern Ukraine votes in referendum
http://rt.com/in-motion/158220-mariupol-ukraine-votes-referendum/
3029  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 11, 2014, 02:27:06 PM
Kiev’s troops roll through E.Ukraine in ‘bid to disrupt voting’ – self-defense forces
http://rt.com/news/158184-kiev-attack-referendum-lugansk/

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“Around 15 APCs have come near Novoaydar,” Aleksey Chmilenko said. “Our self-defense guards are trying to stop the attack and prevent the vehicles moving farther in the direction of Lugansk.”

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“In four districts – Belokurakinsky, Svatovsky, Troitsky and Melovsky – APCs of the Ukrainian National Guard do not let residents pass to the referendum polling stations,” the sources said.

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Meanwhile, the acting head of Ukraine’s presidential administration, Sergey Pashinsky, said Kiev’s military operation in the Donetsk region towns of Krasny Liman, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk was in its its final stage, adding that “a lot of separatists have been eliminated during the operation.” He would not provide any figures thought.

Some reader comments:
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Victor Manino 11.05.2014 14:18

Voting is always legal, coups never are. Americanism 101

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António 11.05.2014 14:18

The fascist groups in ukraine now part of the Ukrainian army, placed there by the puppet government of Kiev. is this even trained with weapons and NATO army that is murdering people from eastern ukraine

Mark 11.05.2014 14:21

TO:António
training and incorporating pro Bandera storm troopers into the regular army will produce immediate result: total destruction of discipline and military code of conduct in the armed forces! NATO idiots have never learned what not to do from the failure of Hitler!

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Peter Bushel 11.05.2014 14:24

It makes sense that democratic elections would not be permitted by the coup Kiev government. They don't believe in democracy so they will do anything to stop it from happening.....

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Fredrick Da Great 11.05.2014 14:33

I was watching live transmition of the ongoing referendum. Lot (and I mean it) of people in que waiting to vote despite the ongoing military assault by western forces. Such hudge participation I did not see even during the referendum in Romania to impech their president.
3030  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: May 11, 2014, 02:00:53 PM
Yes, that's the general idea. Especially since WTO is forcing Russia to close the tax heaven in Kaliningrad.
3031  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Transnistria (Pridnestrov'je) seeking independence from Moldova on: May 11, 2014, 01:58:20 PM
I begin to wonder if this whole thing was a PR stunt.
Rogosin said yesterday that Russia could hardly hope for better PR for those signatures than Moldova seizing them.  Huh
And Rogosin is not as subtle a politician as, say, Lavrov....

It would be best for Romania to publish the air traffic control communications, if the plane indeed tried to enter Romanian airspace.
3032  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea on: May 11, 2014, 01:10:31 PM
Russia’s ‘civilized’ offshore? Moscow allocates $1.5 bn for Crimea
http://rt.com/business/158196-crimea-invest-offshore-russia/

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$1.5 billion (55.4 bln rubles) has been allocated by Moscow to the Russian republic of Crimea and Sevastopol to balance its budget in 2014. But what is on Moscow’s mind regarding the peninsular?

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“The special economic zone in Crimea will be based on best examples in world practice and we are not going to substitute the Ukrainian system for a Russian one. We have a unique opportunity to capitalize on the current lack of a bureaucratic chokehold in Crimea. Our goal is to not make Crimea just like Russia, but a lot better and then spread the model throughout the country. The draft law regarding the special economic zone on the peninsula is in the making and we tried to include as many things that are on the minds of officials and business community as possible,” the minister for Crimean Affairs, Oleg Saveliev, told Russia’s Vedomosti newspaper.
3033  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Transnistria (Pridnestrov'je) seeking independence from Moldova on: May 11, 2014, 12:53:32 PM
Well, I agree that it was not the most intelligent comment that a politician could have made in such a delicate question, so I can see why Romanians are enraged.

On the other hand, Romania should not have gotten involved. This was between Russia and Moldova, and the feud over Transnistria has been going on for some time. A bit of reporting from RT (I'll quote some statement that caught my attention the most):

Stuck in rogue airspace: Moldova seizes Transnistria petitions from Russian delegation jet
http://rt.com/news/158164-moldova-rogozin-airspace-romania/

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“Moldovan secret services on-board our plane are confiscating boxes with Transdniestrians’ signatures for reunification with Russia,” Russian Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin tweeted.

These documents, according to Rogozin, were transferred to him by activists during his visit to Tiraspol for Victory Day celebrations.

“Yesterday we received signatures that were handed to us by activists of the Union of Russian Communities,” the Deputy Prime Minister added.

Shouldn't he have some immunity from searches? On the other just recently the Bolivian president's plane was force-landed and searched for Snowden...

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The Moldovan authorizes were able to seize the documents after the plane carrying Russian politicians was forced to land in Chisinau after both Ukraine and Romania restricted its airspace to the Russian Rusjet Yak 42.

On Saturday, Rogozin tweeted that Romania closed its airspace “at the request of the US.” Ukraine also banned the plane from flying over its territory.

Here is the offending statement in question:

Upon a US request, Romania has closed its air space for my plane,” he tweeted. “Ukraine doesn't allow me to pass through again. Next time I'll fly on board TU-160,” he said implying that with all the neighboring airspaces closed only Russia's largest strategic bomber could pierce through.

So, the US trace again... But, oh the music of the word "sanctions". It can justify anything:

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“The threat of using a Russian strategic bomber plane by a Russian deputy prime minister is a very grave statement under the current regional context,” the statement read.

Romania justified its own actions by “simply following sanctions” imposed by the EU against Russia over Ukraine, although it remains unclear how the visa ban of one person is related to the rejection of crossing airspace for the whole aircraft.

The Romanians did not mention why the same rules were not followed during Rogozin's initial travel to Tiraspol on May 8, when his plane was forced by Ukraine – and was allowed to – fly over Bulgaria and Romania to reach the veterans of Transnistria for Victory Day celebrations.  

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“Our plane was ordered to return to Chisinau, threatening forced landing in Ukraine,” Vladimir Medinsky, Russia's culture minister said on Saturday, explaining that at first, the jet was cleared for takeoff, but as the flight just started to ascend, it was forced down, most likely following Washington's request. Kiev itself explained that Rusjet (RSJ) was not given flight permission “in connection with gross violations of Ukraine's airspace use, namely landing at a closed Simferopol airport.”

About Transnistria:
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Transnistria is a breakaway region of Moldova located between the River Dniester and the eastern Moldovan border with Ukraine. Since its declaration of independence in 1990, unrecognized by the UN, and the War of Transnistria in 1992, it has been governed as an autonomous territorial unit with special legal status. Most of its citizens speak Russian. Up to 1,500 Russian peacekeepers are protecting order there, under the agreement with Moldova.
3034  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 11, 2014, 11:05:48 AM
A man opened fire from traumatic gun at a voting location in Donetsk:
http://ria.ru/world/20140511/1007346560.html
Other than this and a couple of drunken debauchees, there were no provocation to disrupt the voting.

2/3 of voters have already given their votes in Lugansk region:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375664



Kiev told that their operation in Donetsk is in its final stage:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375661



Mass media (German Bild) told about participation ow Western mercenaries (from Academia/Blackwater) in punitive operations in the East of Ukraine:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1178108?utm_medium=rss20



About 15 APC are concentrated near village Novoajdar, trying to push to Lugansk. The defence forces are fighting them, preventing them from reaching Lugansk.
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375655



Timoshenko declares that the referendums should be put a stop to:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375656



Ukrainian armed forces using APCs blocked delivery of voting ballots to some locations in Lugansk region:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1178293?utm_medium=rss20
3035  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Transnistria (Pridnestrov'je) seeking independence from Moldova on: May 11, 2014, 11:03:32 AM
The boxes of signatures for Transnistria's joining Russia were confiscated from Rogosin's plane.
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375644

Romania seeks explanation for Rogosin's Twitter comment regarding his flight being blocked by Romania, that next time he is going to fly in TU-160
http://echo.msk.ru/news/1317788-echo.html


 Grin
3036  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 11, 2014, 10:58:47 AM
Alas, I don't have time to translate it in full - translate.google.com is your friend here.

However, here's a short synopsis of the events leading to Mariupol massacre.

Police and the protesters had an unwritten agreement in Mariupol that the protesters don't take to arms, and the police does not interfere with marches and meetings.

On the 9th of May the chief of police Androshuk, collected all officers and told that he got a directive from Kiev that the Victory Day memorial meeting will have disruptive elements and that police is to disperse this meeting, and should anyone protest, to open fire without warning.

Police officers refused to obey such orders, so Androshuk shot one of the officers, wounding him. He then called in Right Sector backed reinforcements that attacked the police head questers. The people at the Victory Day demonstration still didn't know what was happening.

By the time shots were hear, people rushed from the demonstration to the police headquarters to assist the besieged policemen, who were trapped in the burning and shelled HQ building.

http://rusvesna.su/news/1399769975

Бойня в Мариуполе, подробности (новые видео)

Бойня в Мариуполе, подробности (новые видео) | Русская весна
В Мариуполе было достигнуто соглашение с местной милицией - ополченцы не вооружаются, милиция — не разгоняет. Это была устная договоренность после трагедии у части ВВ, и оно, это соглашение, до последних дней реализовывалось.

Личный состав милиции Мариуполя накануне 9 мая 2014 г. собрали на совещание, начальник УВД Андрощук поставил задачу обеспечить порядок во время шествия и митинга в честь дня Победы. Вскоре после беседы с Ляшко, Андрощук сообщил личному составу о том, что ситуация изменилась и имеет место новая задача. По указанию Киева личному составу было доведено о якобы имеющейся информации о том, что на митинге будет много провокаторов, и что необходимо предпринять меры к задержанию участников. В случае любого сопротивления был отдан приказ стрелять без предупреждения. Андрощук таким образом отдал приказ личному составу применить силу против мирных граждан.

Работники милиции Мариуполя уведомили начальника, что выполнять преступный приказ не будут и переходят на сторону народа. В ответ начальник милиции достал оружие и выстрелил в одного из своих подчиненных, серьезно ранив его. Сотрудники подняли бунт, Андрощук забаррикадировался в одном из кабинетов в здании УВД и вызвал на помощь нацгвардию. Те оперативно приехали и начали атаку. Нацгвардия пришла уже за милицией.

Сотрудники МВД были объявлены изменниками и стали мишенью для нацгвардии, они были заблокированы в здании УВД города и расстреливались не только из стрелкового оружия, но и из гранатомётов, крупнокалиберных пулемётов и боевых машин десанта. К моменту штурма на улицах города находилось много мирных жителей, которые принимали участие в шествии ко Дню Победы. Бойцы нацгвардии стреляли на поражение в гражданских, не давая никому приблизиться к зданию УВД.

В ходе обстрела здания из бронетехники и из гранатомётов загорелось здание УВД Мариуполя. На тот момент в здании находились правоохранители, среди стражей порядка были и женщины. Здание объял огонь с первого по третий этажи. Внутри ещё оставались защитники-милиционеры. Люди сорвали решётки на первом этаже и открыли путь к спасению. С третьего этажа людей спасали от пожара с помощью пожарной лестницы. Горожане заблокировали выезд из управления и не позволили увезти трёх захваченных в плен защитников. Войска, по требованию жителей города и во избежание столкновения с массой безоружных людей вынуждены были отпустить захваченных заложников. Пожарные, которых долгое время нацгвардия не подпускала к зданию, потушили пожар. Есть сведения, что пожарная машина была «допущена» к зданию через несколько часов, как в Одессе.

Андрощук во время штурма пытался скрыться. Местные жители догнали и избили его. О дальнейшей судьбе милицейского начальника информации пока нет. По информации Ляшко, его похитили — «из горящего здания УВД его на машине пытался вывезти один отставник. Их авто подрезал джип, боевики ранили ножом водителя, а А. запихнули в багажник и увезли в неизвестном направлении».

Выживший в огне милиционер: «В здании куча трупов, было страшно, пришлось выпрыгнуть с третьего этажа, выхода не было. Два шанса, или сгореть или рискнуть, к сожалению большинства мы уже никогда не увидим, спасибо вам за поддержку».

Глава СБУ Мариуполя С. Скляров также рассказал о причинах событий в городе: «Сегодня утром киевские власти собрали всех силовиков города. И заявили, что мы все должны перейти на их сторону. Милиционеры (кроме начальника горУВД В.Андрощука) им ответили, что они с народом.
Тогда к зданию горуправления милиции подъехали машшины БМП и БТР и из них расстреляли здание. Начался пожар, кто из милиции успел, тот выпрыгнул, а сколько там людей сейчас в здании — неизвестно».

Точное количество убитых и раненых как среди гражданских так и среди работников милиции на сегодняшний день пока неизвестно. Пишут, что в Мариуполе количество жертв среди гражданского населения и милиции может превышать Одесские.

Захваченную практически голыми руками жителей Мариуполя БМП, с помощью грузовой машины притащили к зданию горсовета и подняли над ней флаг Донецкой республики. Оружие из БМП, которую оставила нацгвардия, попало народу в руки. Местные также забрали оружие из оружейного магазина.

Узнав о ситуации в Мариуполе, ополченцы Донецка выехали в Мариуполь сразу же с митинга Дня Победы. Люди, одетые в камуфляжную форму, с оружием, загрузились в кузов двух грузовых автомобилей, которые подъехали на площадь.

Почему Андрощук поступил именно так как поступил? Мое личное мнение. Должность начальника УВД Мариуполя максимально «хлебная». Мариуполь богатый город, должность не достается бесплатно, он естественно платил за нее. Он понимал, что не выполнение приказа Киева автоматически лишает его кресла. Кто-то может остаться офицером и человеком и уйти со службы, не идя против совести когда становишься перед таким выбором. Он таким образом поступить не смог.

Тем сотрудникам милиции, которые остались живы, придется вывозить семьи и прятать. Гореть в аду таким начальникам. Подонки, которые поставили деньги и власть выше человеческой жизни, достойны ада при своей жизни. На том свете это слишком легко.

И еще мерзко читать украинские СМИ и смотреть это же ТВ. Вся ситуация переврана бессовестно. Журналистам пора уже тоже подумать о совести и морали. с Шустером понятно, а свои, местные? Как они собираются жить после этого. Наше общество раскололось надвое и открылись самые низменные сущности, о которых никогда не подумал бы, что они до такой степени сущности..

Дополнительно цитаты с форума Мариуполя:

В Мариуполе удачно прошла АТО против жителей и милиции.. главная цель по
запугиванию мариупольцев достигнута. браво, аваков! чтоб ты сто лет жил! в
тюрьме!

только пришли,ходили к исполкому и РОВД, УВД это жуть...все в следах от
снарядов, пуль,выгорело полностью, много цветов...есть люди которые плачут
там, а есть нелюди которые радуются((

Что касается потерь среди личного состава, достоверно известно, что погиб
начальник ГАИ Виктор Саенко, а также сотрудник батальона патрульной службы
Михаил Ермоленко.

У меня есть знакомый, работает в прокуратуре г. Киева, сейчас он в
Мариуполе. Говорит, что в здании УВД погибло 64 человека.

В г.Мариуполе в УВД были расстреляны и спалены 52 милиционера за то , что
они не захотели стрелять в своих родных, в свой народ, также был убит
начальник ГАИ В.САЕНКО. На улицах постреляли мирных людей. Царство им
небесное. Вы наши герои.
3037  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 11, 2014, 08:57:00 AM
Lugansk and Donetsk regions vote for self-determination
http://rt.com/news/158160-lugansk-donetsk-referendum-vote/

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The referendum is in full swing in Ukraine's Donetsk and Lugansk regions, seeking independence from the central government. Local self-defense forces boosted security, fearing that Kiev could stage provocations to disrupt the self-determination vote.

Turnout at the referendum is exceptionally high, the head of the Central Election Commission of the self-proclaimed “Donetsk People’s Republic,” Roman Lyagin, told Interfax.

“The turnout is not just high, it’s off the charts,” Lyagin said. “People are queuing up at polling stations, and election commissions are working at full capacity.”

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3038  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 10, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
Gunshots, explosions near Ukraine's Slavyansk as checkpoint attacked
http://rt.com/news/158132-slavyansk-fire-shooting-referendum/

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A checkpoint of the self-defense forces in Slavyansk has come under heavy gun and mortar fire, with explosions heard from the city. The attack, which was reportedly launched from a TV tower, comes hours before a regional referendum is due to begin.

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"They used mortars to shoot at us and fired mine shells," an anti-government activist told RIA Novosti. This is not the first time Andreevka comes under fire.

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“Yes, there is gunfire on the outskirts of the city, apparently heavy weapons. There are casualties on our side,” Slavyansk self-defense spokeswoman, Stella Khorosheva, told RT.




Odessa massacre 9 days on: Dozens still missing, residents commemorate the dead
http://rt.com/news/158124-odessa-fire-memorial-radicals/

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Residents of Odessa, Ukraine have gathered for a memorial service to commemorate the victims of the May 2 bloodshed who died in a fire in the city’s House of Trade Unions which was set ablaze by pro-Kiev radicals.

Several hundred people turned up Saturday on Kulikovo Pole Square in central Odessa – the site of the tragedy that shocked the entire international community. The participants of the memorial service brought flowers, candles and lit icon-lamps.



E. Ukraine’s regions gear up for independence referendums
http://rt.com/news/158096-ukraine-referendum-donetsk-lugansk/

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Voters in the two south-eastern regions will be asked if they “support the Act of state self-rule” of the Donetsk People's Republic or Lugansk People's Republic respectively.

Organizers of the Donetsk referendum say they have printed over 3 million ballot papers and set up over 1,500 local election commissions. All in all, they have spent just about 20,000 hryvnas (US$ 2,000) preparing for the vote in Ukraine’s industrial region, the heart of the country’s coal-mining.

“We get no support from Russia,” Roman Lyagin, the head of the self-proclaimed republic’s election commission told reporters on Saturday, cited RIA Novosti.

“The referendum will be considered valid whatever voter turnout will be,” he added, according to Itar-Tass.

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“According to a survey, 83 % of Lugansk residents are ready to support the Act of state self-rule of the People’s Republic of Lugansk,” the head of the local election commission, Igor Shakhov told Interfax.

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“I personally do not think that Kiev want a peaceful solution to the crisis. So far, we have seen that they only want its escalation,” a co-chair of the republic’s government Miroslav Rudenko told Interfax.
3039  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: May 10, 2014, 10:25:40 PM
Interesting Op-Edge from RT:

Lessons of World War II forgotten: Will Germany be the peacemaker?
http://rt.com/op-edge/157716-lessons-of-ww2-forgotten/

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There is a grim irony that Gen. Philip Breedlove, the NATO Supreme Commander in Europe, should have announced that the alliance was considering permanently deploying troops in Eastern Europe only days before May 9.

This day is celebrated as Victory Day over Nazi Germany throughout Russia and other former Soviet republics.

For through World War II, the Russian, American and British peoples were all joined together in a desperate struggle for survival and then victory over the most monstrous tyranny in recorded history. And as Western leaders at the time, especially Winston Churchill, full and openly acknowledged, by far the greatest role and sacrifice in ensuring that victory over Nazism and fascism was suffered by the Russian people and the Red Army.

The irony grows even greater as over the winter we celebrated the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Kiev and the heart of Ukraine from the Nazi tyranny. Yet the current interim government in Kiev which was established, not by democratic process and lawful elections, but through a violent coup, is already moving to lift the ban on expressions of Nazism that was maintained by all previous Ukrainian governments of both the left and right since national independence at the end of 1991.
3040  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: May 10, 2014, 09:47:29 PM
It is a big country with lots of agricultural land and resources, they should declare independence and become a neutral country.  Kiss

Well, they were independent, until US/EU/NATO got involved and installed their puppet government.

When were they independent? They were service a nasty local dictator (who actually was a Putin puppet btw.)

He had a nice palace though..




And US-intalled ones don't?

I think the most funny thing here is that the most part of this $5 billion was stolen  Cheesy

Just like the most part of those gas subsidies.

Here's where some of the money went:

Timoshenko's mama's house:


Timoshenko's house:


Turchinov's friend's houses:



Turchinov's house:


Yatsenjuk's house:



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