too good to be true this and seen far too many giving GH away and contracts make a few payments get the punters coming in and customers and next min poof gone and never seen again. give me 20TH mining contract for 1 year make payments to me and ill split the coin and reinvest and continue with it.
I see more than 10 users signed up to this and see people talking. Anyone actually got paid from this yet or no one got payment?
1st payment will be on 1/20/2015 GH Bought: 250 GH/s
Paid: 2.00000000 BTC
Price Per GH: 0.00800000 BTC 1 Year Fixed Rate: 0.00008500 BTC Per Day Per GH (361 Days Left) Next Payment: 20/01/2015 Your Earnings Daily: 0.02125000 BTC Weekly: 0.14875000 BTC Monthly: 0.65875000 BTC Yearly: 7.75625000 BTC Your ROI Total ROI Time: 94 Days Reach ROI in: 90 Days lets see if i will recieve payment from them Looks like you signed up just before they reduced their prices by 90%...how do you feel about that? EDIT: The website appears to be parked. That's not a good sign, is it? |
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..... think of it as a social experiment.
LMAO, that's got to go in the Ponzi Hall of Fame  |
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Its people like you that ruin this community by slandering legit services.
Its people like you that ruin this community. We are a legit cloud mining company.
Coincidence? What is that even meant to mean? We are in direct competition with thmining, what is the coincidence? LOL, very tetchy  It just made me laugh, the same way scammers grasp at straws. This seems to be the fashionable kneejerk attempt to turn the tables on skeptics, accusing them of "ruining the community" when, of course, the reverse is true.. Hooray, Congrats on your work. You could have just scared away a good service and if you are correct and it is a scam, They can now scam people in their own environment. You have possible made them more BTC  I really don't know where you are coming from. You are shilling for a company that you cannot possibly have any rational confidence in, because any basic due dilligence would show that their claims are completely unverifiable. No one can stop scammers having their own hug box where they have total control over the content, but if strongly worded questioning drives them away from BCT, don't you even ask why? Enjoy the circle jerk echo chamber @ http://minethatcloud.com/forum/ . Maybe you'll come back here from time to time and let us know how it's going.  If you google slander, if you know how to use it, Its a search engine.
Yeah, and if you Google "Minethatcloud" you will see this forum at No.1. That may help a few people save some money, hopefully. |
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Its people like you that ruin this community by slandering legit services.
Its people like you that ruin this community. We are a legit cloud mining company.
Coincidence? |
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i just notice, Sr Member started a ponzi.. you only risk your account doing this  I'm surprised that there aren't more deposits the bonuses are great and a Sr. member! Looks like he bought the account around Sept 28th if you have a quick look at the posting history. |
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puppet you are completely wrong .
minethatcloud is INNOCENT untill proven guilty. you have to prove him guilty . he doesnt have to prove his innocence.
yelling scam scam scam doesnt make it a scam it just makes you a troll.
also willing to bet on it is not proof for a scam . however it does show that you dont know and that you are willing to gamble on it .
I don't agree with you. This forum is not a court of law, no one will be sent to prison because of someone else's opinion. It obviously suits some people to frame legitimate criticism in this way so as to deflect from obvious shortcomings in the various schemes being promoted as cloud miners. In an anonymous environment where caveat emptor applies even more than the fiat world due to lack of redress, due dilligence is vital. In my opinion, Puppet is undertaking public due dilligence, asking questions within a reasonable framework, trying to establish whether or not money being invested in these schemes has a chance of achieving the results promised. The check list that he applies in his 101 thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.0 is reasonable and should be welcomed as the basis for investment decisions in a sector which is rife with scammers. Keep up the good work, Puppet. |
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In an honest game of chance the odds should estimatable by the player, yes. A ponzi isn't a game of chance, it is more skill based like poker. You need to know which ponzi to "invest" in, get in early and get out at the first sign of trouble and know how to spot signs of trouble too. How could anyone figure out if the operator or his alts was in the queue?
If the operator promised.............lol Thats like saying how can you figure out your opponents hand in a game of poker. I bow to your superior knowledge lol, but if I were to play poker with you then it wouldn't be with a deck you (nothing personal) provided and later turned out to have another set of aces living up your sleeve. |
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What does it matter if the owner has accounts in the payment queue? That's like saying that it'd be bad if Casino owners didn't have people playing poker for them or something... Do the game owners say that they don't participate in them themselves? If they do, then you got a problem... but all that I have seen don't say they don't play.
Let's say a 50% ponzi "game" runs out of steam at 450 BTC and ends. The first 300 BTC owners get their stake back plus 50% i.e. the balance. The last 150 BTC owners get jack shit. You are seriously telling me that if the operator of the "game" owns 200 of those first 300 BTC then the "game" is in any conceivable way fair? What do casinos have to do with it? I think this thread is more to do with your own feedback than anything else. In an honest ponzi, the returns should not be guaranteed.
It is up to the players to figure out if the operator is in the queue. Being able to detect such schemes is a skill a good ponzi player should have. If the operator promised he wasn't in the payment queue and later on it was found that he was, then he would be untrustworthy, but if no such promise was made then thats a risk the players take when playing the ponzi.
In an honest game of chance the odds should estimatable by the player, yes. How could anyone figure out if the operator or his alts was in the queue? "If the operator promised..........."..lol |
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This idea of an "honest" ponzi needs to be buried.
Until it can be proved that the operator of the scheme or his alts are not in the queue for payment, a queue that they can both anticipate and manipulate, then players in the "game" cannot possibly know that the returns that are promised are achievable.
As for leaving trust on the basis of opinion, this has been flogged to death recently.
The people can check the blockchain, and we're talking about Ponzi Games... So what if they can check the blockchain? That's what I'm talking about too. |
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This idea of an "honest" ponzi needs to be buried.
Until it can be proved that the operator of the scheme or his alts are not in the queue for payment, a queue that they can both anticipate and manipulate, then players in the "game" cannot possibly know that the returns that are promised are achievable.
As for leaving trust on the basis of opinion, this has been flogged to death recently.
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A Ponzi can never ever be provably fair. An owner can (and most likely will) put money into it, this to make it seem like it's active and attract new players. Nothing can or will prevent that. It's impossible.
I 100% agree with you. An owner can put money in his own ponzi game to attract investment. But, a dice site owner can also play in his own game to attract players. None of this are scam, because none of this are disturbing the probaility of win of any individual. There should be another investor in a ponzi game after one's investment. If the last investor is owner, he will lose, if the last investor is anyone else, he'll lose. Which part is scam here ? This is simple probability !!! Nonsense. Yes, many businesses can use methods that make them look busier, without actually defrauding their customers. BUT The ponzi owner also can make sure he is at the front of his own queue. He takes the majority of the failed late bet money for himself. Of course it's a scam!! You are trying to convince yourself (and us) that it will be possible to trust a ponzi based game to be fair. The answer is NO. |
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No matter how secure and innovative would be Bitcoins, they are just some bytes on a digital storage medium and they can be copied as well as any digital information. We've... blahblahblah... you can get rich very quickly.
C'mon Brahiim, you're too lazy to even write your own bullshit. Fail.See post #9 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=765469.msg8784427#msg8784427 |
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Somebody's just watched Superman III lol.
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I understand wanting proof but at the same time its there choice, your demanding stuff like you have some sort of authority over them
He's just asking questions, like you. His criteria for investment may be a little higher than yours.
to be honest i'm peppering them with questions on there site and so far they have given satisfactory answers to everything.
What questions are you peppering them with? Have you tried: Can I choose my own pool? What hardware do you use and can the manufacturer confirm this? Who are you? As in who am I dealing with, apart from a website and a wallet address? If your operation is marginally profitable as you agree it is, how/why can you afford 7% affiliate fees?
if they carry on paying out, surely its not a scam?
That's just a lol. |
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Ponzi can be good with some strict rules and guarantees for last investors.
How does that work? You have a 150% ponzi game payout with 5% fees. To pay out the first 100 BTC of bets means that the last 55 BTC in bets is lost. That's definitely guaranteed. |
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.. The operator could easily invest their own money into the ponzi from various addresses, knowing that they would have the money returned to them even if they have to payout to other investors. If they do not receive enough money then they simply run away with their own money plus the money of their other investors.
The idea with ponzi games is that the operator does not play. Its PvP players gamble against each other and the operator gets a little bonus for providing the service. Youd have to prove this for a ponzi to be provably fair. So you have to prove that a certain person and their friends are not playing. Proving a negative is considered impossible.
tl;dr: A provably fair ponzi would have to prove either that the operators are not playing or make sure that everyone is a player.....
This ^^^^. Until you can solve that conundrum, there is no way that any ponzi game can be considered legit or fair. |
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Thanks, follow up dumb question: where do I find my % ?
Click on Report to moderator, you'll see the number of reports and accuracy % there. Thanks.... Yay, 100%, do I get a prize? (Apart from that warm fuzzy feeling)
Popular boards by activity is misleading, it's not based on your posts, but your posts relative to the number total in that board.
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Pretty useless if you ask me.
Yeah, it isn't very relevant by the look of it. Thanks for the help. |
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Maybe like opening the round and not letting any transactions in(if they still send it,that it would be returned) for few mins would help(to prove that the owner cannot take any advantage and everyone has the same chance of being first). Any other ideas?
I can imagine what will happen here ... everyone will pile in the second the round opens and after that nobody will put in any more money for the rest of the round. The operator can easily write some doo dad (technical term) to ensure that the bulk of the early money is his. How do you stop that? |
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There is no notification. If you haven't reported much, then your percentage will be changing all the time , so you will know roughly when you made a incorrect report.
Thanks, follow up dumb question: where do I find my % ? Did you move your thread to Turkish board accidentally? I'm checking your posts now. Found it. Somebody move this thread to Turkish board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=824055I'm moving it to Archival. Check your stats page again. Fixed, thanks. |
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