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3061  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: May 09, 2014, 11:18:49 AM
Nuland has tough time justifying US involvement in Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/157808-nuland-grilled-ukraine-costs/

Her name is Nudelman, btw.

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But instantaneously she came under fire from Dana Rohrabacher, a republican congressman from California.

“We did have legitimate election before, and the legitimate president was removed after we had major street violence. There were pictures of people running around that we were told were neo-Nazis,” Rohrabacher challenged Nuland.

Nuland faced a hard time coming up with answers.

“First of all the vast majority of those who were participating on Maidan were peaceful protesters. There were mothers and grandmothers and veterans,” Nuland said, but before being able to continue, Rohrabacher reminded the diplomat of vast presence of violent Ukrainian radicals.

“I saw those pictures and I also saw a lot of people throwing fire bombs at groups of policemen. There were people shooting into the ranks of police. So, yes, there were mothers with flowers, but there were also very dangerous street fighters engaged in those demonstrations. The question is: were there neo-Nazi groups involved?”

Nuland could not provide a definitive answer, saying that “there were many colors of Ukraine involved including very ugly colors.”

For the record, Nuland submitted and read out a statement where she said that US policy towards Ukraine is based on four pillars.

First of all Washington is offering “financial, technical and non-lethal security assistance” for the May 25 election.

In addition to $92 million in FY2013 State/USAID funds and $86 million in FY2014 funds, we are providing an additional $50 million in technical assistance and the $1 billion dollar loan guarantee under the authority passed by Congress on April 1st.


Also:
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“The Russian economy ... is already buckling under the pressure of these internationally imposed sanctions. Its credit ratings are hovering just above junk status,” said Nuland.

Not everyone agreed, with Ted Poe, a Texas Republican, saying many are not convinced that sanctions do indeed produce any effect.

“I don't think it's worked,” he said. “In all fairness, I don't think it's stopped Russia from doing anything.”

Who cares about credit ratings? I'm still buying into Russian equity funds, as now is a very opportune time... Grin
3062  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ukraine rejects Russia Gazprom gas price hike on: May 09, 2014, 11:13:32 AM
I would not be surprised if one of the IMF conditions was that the money were not to be used to pay Russia for its gas.
3063  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 09, 2014, 11:10:34 AM
Civilians being shot at in Mariupol on the 9th of May.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLP99XQ5MZo

On video, the deputy of the city council of Mariupol, representative of the legislative power of the region had been shot at while walking by, unarmed.
He tells that his grandfather was killed while fighting against Fascists, and he was in the parade commemorating the Victory Day.
3064  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ukraine rejects Russia Gazprom gas price hike on: May 09, 2014, 10:56:50 AM
Russia does not preclude that gas deliveries to Ukraine will be stopped.
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1562172&cid=6

"The main question now, is if Ukraine can use IMF-supplied loans to cover its gas debt and if those loans will be enough to cover the debt in its entirety."
3065  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 09, 2014, 10:47:01 AM
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"Yesterday we were told that some provocations were being prepared, but people didn't believe it, so a Victory Day parade was scheduled for 9am today," a local resident, who identified herself as Victoria, told RT.

Ukrainian MP Oleg Lyashko claims that forces loyal to the Kiev coup-installed government have orders “not to take anyone alive.” He wrote in his Facebook account that “the perimeter around the Interior Ministry department building in Mariupol is completely blocked by the armed forces. Terrorists are barricaded inside and are now returning fire. An order has been issued not to take anyone alive.”

Resistance reports that chemical weapons are being used in Mariupol
http://ria.ru/world/20140509/1007115825.html

"We hope that the Organisation for prohibition of chemical weapons will conduct an investigation"
3066  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 09, 2014, 09:52:14 AM
Those Nazis unsurprisingly cannot even show basic respect to people on the 9th of May:

Armed men shooting in Mariupol city center, injuries reported (VIDEO)
Tanks, armed assault in Mariupol city center, injuries reported (VIDEO)
http://rt.com/news/157884-shooting-mariupol-eastern-ukraine/

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Shooting, military vehicles and armed fighters clad in black uniforms are reported to be in the center of Mariupol in Eastern Ukraine. Unconfirmed reports suggest one person has been killed and four wounded in the offensive.

The participants of the Victory Day parade in Mariupol have headed to the local interior ministry HQ to try and stop the assailants from taking control of the building, self-defense forces reported as cited by Interfax.

"About 1,500 people left the parade and went to the local interior ministry HQ. People in camouflage confronted them, shooting into the air using lethal weapons," a witness told Interfax.

“Camouflaged people are storming the building of the city’s interior ministry department. A bus with soldiers has driven up – they are from a military unit located in the vicinity of Mariupol. Policemen who refuse to obey Kiev regime’s orders are being detained,” a representative of the self-defense forces told Interfax.


A reader's comment:

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Mikhas 09.05.2014 09:38

Barack Banana`s Nazi freaks was expected to take advantage of V-Day, which is a day of mourning to them, as their genocidal fathers and grandfathers where defeated as always, by the Russians.

Banana and his white masters has choosed the worst kind of bed-fellows imaginable, since everybody, 100%, will rise to crush both them and their US sugardaddy again!


3067  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Report: Russia to Begin Moon Colonization by 2030 on: May 09, 2014, 09:22:42 AM
This news item on RT:

Russia will begin Moon colonization in 2030 - draft space program
http://rt.com/news/157800-russia-moon-colonization-plan/

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“Moon is a space object of the future reclamation by Earth civilization, and in XXI century there might be a geopolitical competition for lunar natural resources,” the authors of the draft project state in the opening line.

This is why it is important to focus on creating an arsenal of necessary means in advance, they stress.

 “The Moon is not an intermediate point in the race,” Russia’s Deputy PM Dmitry Rogozin who is in charge of space and defence industries said back in April. “This process has the beginning, but has no end. We are going to the moon forever.”

Good for Russia! Much of our on-Earth improvements of the last years came from space-related research. This will be a driving force for improvement of Russian economy and technology. And Russia already has a solid technological platform to build on.

PS: Here is the link to my topic that I created one the original statement by the Russian MP was mad:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566263.0

IMO, they are too arrogant. First they try to conquer the Ukraine and then the Moon. What is next?

What Bryant said. Plus, if Russia wanted to conquer Ukraine, you would have known about it by the presence of Russian forces in Kiev and Lviv after a 10-hour campaign.
Besides, you know the joke they tell in South-East of Ukraine?
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- How many Russian division would reach Kiev, if Russia invaded with 2 divisions?
- 10 or 12.
3068  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Nintendo's rejection of gay relationships gives fans a lot to be angry about on: May 09, 2014, 08:02:41 AM
Good for them for having the balls to make a statement. It's starting to get tiring will all this in-your-face gayism creeping in from everywhere.
3069  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 09, 2014, 07:53:21 AM
You are proof that all rusophobes are insane  Cheesy

I've added him to ignore list. No need to talk to madmen.
3070  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russian roadmap to Solar System colonisation. Moon is the first step. on: May 09, 2014, 07:37:38 AM
Something new cropped up on this topic!

Russia will begin Moon colonization in 2030 - draft space program
http://rt.com/news/157800-russia-moon-colonization-plan/

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“We are going to the Moon forever,” the Russian Deputy PM said in April, and it was not just empty words. It appears Russia does plan to colonize the Moon by 2030 and the first stage of the ambitious project may start as soon as two years from now.

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“Moon is a space object of the future reclamation by Earth civilization, and in XXI century there might be a geopolitical competition for lunar natural resources,” the authors of the draft project state in the opening line.
3071  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 08, 2014, 08:57:37 PM
Stalinist, please stop quoting Pagan. We have him on ignore.

But since he mentioned it, what he is referring to is today's military drills to repel possible nuclear attack.
http://rt.com/news/157644-putin-drills-rocket-launch/

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"At the Priozersk training area (Kazakhstan), a successful interception of a ballistic target by a short-range countermissile was carried out. A massive rocket nuclear strike was repelled by a ballistic missile defense unit of air and missile defense troops," the representative said.

It's a demonstration of what Russian rocket shield can do against NATO rockets stationed in Eastern Europe.

And on this note.
Russia holds drills by running simulations on its territory.
USA holds drills by attacking other sovereign countries.
3072  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 08, 2014, 08:30:11 PM
Follow the legacy of Lenin: During a revolution you need to have control of "telephone, telegraph and railway stations"
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/encSlov/3/105.htm.
Substitute "telegraph" for "TV" and they are making a statement.
3073  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 08, 2014, 08:04:02 PM
Donetsk self-defence forces took control of the TV station "Donbass":
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/05/08/tv/
The employees of the TV centre did not resist, simply asking them not to interfere with everyday work.
3074  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: May 08, 2014, 07:57:37 PM
And following these news, unknown people attack the control post on Russian-Ukrainian border:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/05/140508_rn_ukraine_russia_border_attack.shtml

This might escalate into a war..?

Two buses arrived at the check point to arrange papers for exit from Ukraine, once on the territory of the check point, about 40 armed men jumped out of the buses and spread around the perimeter.

They demanded that the border guards put down their weapons and surrender within 30 seconds. 30 seconds later they started throwing bottles with flammable liquid. Border guards opened fire. In the ensuing flames, the attackers got back into the cars and drove back to Ukrainian territory.



In other news, Poroshenko proposes to rename Victory Day celebration into Memory Day celebration in accordance with UN and Western tradition.
http://www.interfax.ru/world/375474



Russia introduces return sanctions in reply to the ones introduced by US/Canada. The names on the sanctions list will not be announced. They will know about it once they apply for Russian visas.  Cool
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/375496
3075  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ukraine rejects Russia Gazprom gas price hike on: May 08, 2014, 07:52:28 PM
Russia introduces the system of forward payment for gas for Ukraine:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/05/140508_rn_russia_ukraine_gas.shtml

While Lithuania gets significant rebates:
http://www.regnum.ru/news/economy/1799922.html
3076  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: May 08, 2014, 07:45:55 PM
Are NATO completely out of their minds?

Ukraine deploys 15,000 troops to Russian border, NATO beefs up forces in E. Europe – Moscow
http://rt.com/news/157736-ukraine-troops-russia-borders/

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Antonov also urged official representatives of NATO and the Pentagon "to quit cynically deluding the international society concerning the real state of affairs on the Russian-Ukrainian border."

He stressed that in the past two months Russia has contributed to about a dozen inspections, including emergency observation flight of Ukraine across the border region with Russia. The most recent flights took part on May, 6 when an American-Norwegian group held its inspection along borders with Kharkov and Lugansk regions, and on May, 7, when the same group flew across the city of Bryansk.

“There was not noticed any undeclared military activities in these regions,” Antonov said. But despite this fact was recorded “in the presence of Russian representatives in the official protocols”, on public “opposite propaganda cliché statements accusing Russia of violating its commitments were broadcast.”

They are trying Russian patience... Russian roulette?  Roll Eyes
3077  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 08, 2014, 07:29:57 PM
И тут тролли? Ахуеть Grin

А ты думал, глобальная херня

Ага, но не мешало бы держаться в теме, несмотря на троллей.
Yep, but it it won't hurt staying on-topic, despite trolls.

Everyone: just add Pagan to your ignore-list.

A small side-note. He chose a proper name for himself. A word with the same root in Russian ("Paganec" / Паганец) means "heathen", with the underlying connotation "a worthless piece of shit".
3078  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 08, 2014, 07:27:56 PM
Despite Putin's request, Right Sector leader says that the military operation against the Donetsk and Lugansk federalists will continue.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/parubiy-says-anti-terrorist-operation-will-continue-as-separatists-in-luhansk-donetsk-reject-putins-call-to-postpone-referendum-346933.html

Iv'e got a question for You: Why to You right
"Despite Putin's request, Right Sector leader says that the military operation against the Donetsk and Lugansk federalists will continue."
When in the link You posted is written:
"Parubiy says anti-terrorist operation will continue as separatists in Luhansk, Donetsk reject Putin’s call to postpone referendum"
??

Basically because Donetsk and Lugansk leaders were disappointed by the proclamations from Kiev, which followed Putin's request:

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“People don’t trust Kiev authorities,” Miroslav Rudenko, one of the Donbas self-defense leaders, told Interfax, “Also the reaction of [coup-appointed PM Arseny] Yatsenyuk to the proposal of Russian President [calling for an end to Kiev’s military operation] was inadequate.”
http://rt.com/news/157640-donetsk-ukraine-referendum-may/
3079  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 08, 2014, 02:37:34 PM
2 southeast Ukrainian regions to hold referendum May 11 as planned
http://rt.com/news/157640-donetsk-ukraine-referendum-may/

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“This is not our decision [of the politicians] , this is the decision of people of Donbas region,” said Andrey Purgin, one of the leaders of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic, “People of Donbas [Region] got their chance to make a heroic deed and we can’t deprive them from this chance.”

The decision of holding a referendum as scheduled was approved on the council of People’s Republic of Donetsk unanimously.

People don’t trust Kiev authorities,” Miroslav Rudenko, one of the Donbas self-defense leaders, told Interfax, “Also the reaction of [coup-appointed PM Arseny] Yatsenyuk to the proposal of Russian President [calling for an end to Kiev’s military operation] was inadequate.

Here is what Yatsenjuk's reaction was:

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Ukraine’s coup-appointed PM Arseny Yatsenyuk criticized Putin’s proposal to postpone the referendum.

“The fact that Russia asks to postpone some referendum? Then we need to inform the Russian president that Ukraine hasn’t planned any referendum on May 11. And if terrorists and separatists, who are supported by Russia, were ordered to postpone what wasn’t planned, then it’s their internal affairs,” he said.

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Earlier Thursday, the head of Ukrainian National Security and Defense Committee, Andrey Parubiy, said that the military operation in the southeast of Ukraine will continue, regardless of the decision made on the Donetsk regional referendum.

“The counter-terrorist operation will continue unhindered, despite the presence of terrorist and insurgent groups in the Donetsk region,” he said.
3080  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: May 08, 2014, 02:36:24 PM
Please create a separate topic for USSR discussion, not related to the region of Novorossia/Ukraine!
I might be interested in replying to some of the statements then.

Do I have to ask you even more politely?
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