And when you die, you lose control of your narrative.
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As long as science keeps on making up these fantastic theories, and then believing them to be true without proof, and barely any evidence, they are pushing science into the realm of strong religion. Well this is a refreshing change. At least your admitting that a strong religion like Christianity is based upon no proof and barely any evidence. Maybe we're managing to pry those tightly shut eyes of yours open at long last. Just a tad mind, but least it's a start. Well done! Well, thank you, again, for showing us that you can't read, and that you don't really know very much. But, that is like most of us, isn't it? At least until we learn. Why don't you learn? The fact that the universe operates through cause and effect, and the fact that it is very complex, and the fact that we find nothing other than universal entropy... these three universal facts prove that God exists. If God didn't exist, one or more of these three facts would have to be non-existent, as well. Oh, so one minute your saying science has fantastic theories without proof and barely any evidence, now in your next post your saying science proves God as fact. Make up your mind. That's the problem, when someone starts believing a crazy mixed up book, they themselves start getting crazy and mixed up in the head too. And the deeper they're into this book, the more mixed up they get. You're very mixed up. But I do want to thank you. The more you prompt me to say this, the more opportunity people have to see and to start to understand. My question is, do you understand? Oh, yes I understand exactly what your trying to do. Don't worry about that, I can read you like a book. Well, spell it out simply, the thing that you understand, and what you read in me the "book," so that everyone can understand. It's now beyond any resonable doubt to everybody on here your not interested in God or the truth. That's quite clear. Absolutely no interest what-so-ever. You are however very keen in attempting to deceive us by sucking us into your religious cult and worshipping your extremely obvious false god. Jesus was God as well as man.
Assumption. Jesus-God spoke the universe into being.
Assumption. Moses and the other prophets of the Bible were told by God spiritually what to write.
Assumption. Oh, you and all your silly assumptions about the facts that I offer.
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we can base our religion on faith in what God tells us. What has "God" ever said, I have a problem when the Universe is personified into "God". Gods are all figments of our own and collective imagination. No God has ever uttered a word. Jesus was God as well as man. Jesus-God spoke the universe into being. Moses and the other prophets of the Bible were told by God spiritually what to write. When a person doesn't know the history of the Bible and the nation of Israel, it is easy for him to think that God hasn't spoken through these people. But those who have studied the Bible and how it came into being, along with the nation of Israel and its history, realize that these things couldn't have come into being without God making them to exist. On whose authority are any "prophets" given that status? On the authority of God, working through Moses, to do miracles through Moses, which destroyed the people of Israel who didn't do what Moses said. The orders that Moses gave for future prophets said, that if what the prophet said didn't come to pass essentially every time he prophesied something, he was not a prophet of God. Many so-called prophets died at the hands of the people of Israel who realized that the prophet was a false prophet by the fact that the things he said didn't come true. Saint Paul in New Testament times did a few miracles that showed he had the power. Some of the miracles were against bad people. That's what it is all about. The power. Check the history of the Bible and Israel in detail to see that the Bible has the power.
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Atheists are not as bad as rapist. They do not violate your free will.
Because, just like theists, they are not smart enough to know how to live freely except that they go to God for the instructions God has placed in the Bible. Wait, did you just say religious people are too stupid to know how to live without reading instructions from bible? In a lot of ways, yes. And so are the rest of the people.
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Atheists are not as bad as rapist. They do not violate your free will.
Their problem is that they don't realize how using their freedom to rape (for example) actually takes their freedom from them. They start to realize it when they are thrown into prison, where they lose a lot of their freedoms. God damn it you are such a stupid fucking asshole Atheists are the most moral of all people (evidenced by statistics)... 20% of Americans are Atheist, yet only 0.2% of prisoners are Atheists... do you need any more statistics than that? According to prison statistics, Christians are 10,000% (100x) more likely to commit a felony than an Atheist... People like to think Blacks commit more crimes than White people... but it's only like 3-to-1... Christian vs Atheist is 100-to-1... Basically, Christians are the ones committing the vast majority of crimes in America... statistically proven to be true Tsk, tsk. How you talk! Just be glad God doesn't take your freedom away for how you misuse it. How's the statistics for how many before-prison atheists find religion when inside? As far as Christians doing worse than atheists (if your statistics are even accurate), the devil already has the atheists. He doesn't need to work so hard on them. He is trying to get the Christians, so he focuses on tempting them. Since Christians are only people, they often fall for this greater tempting to do wrong. Doesn't mean they are less saved as Christians... or that atheists will be saved at all as long as they remain atheists. Turn while you can, and be saved for eternal life. As it is, you are throwing your freedom away.
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we can base our religion on faith in what God tells us. What has "God" ever said, I have a problem when the Universe is personified into "God". Gods are all figments of our own and collective imagination. No God has ever uttered a word. Jesus was God as well as man. Jesus-God spoke the universe into being. Moses and the other prophets of the Bible were told by God spiritually what to write. When a person doesn't know the history of the Bible and the nation of Israel, it is easy for him to think that God hasn't spoken through these people. But those who have studied the Bible and how it came into being, along with the nation of Israel and its history, realize that these things couldn't have come into being without God making them to exist.
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Atheists are not as bad as rapist. They do not violate your free will.
Yes, but. An atheist believes in freedom. If he didn't, he wouldn't freely do the things that religions say you shouldn't... like raping. The trouble with atheists is not in that they love freedom. Loving freedom is great. Their problem is that they don't realize how using their freedom to rape (for example) actually takes their freedom from them. They start to realize it when they are thrown into prison, where they lose a lot of their freedoms. Now, I am not saying that all atheists are rapists by any means. I am not even saying that the majority of atheists lack understanding of how to be free in a general way. I am simply saying that their idea of freedom from God isn't really freedom. Why not? Because, just like theists, they are not smart enough to know how to live freely except that they go to God for the instructions God has placed in the Bible.
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Science is not a religion - science is a religion killer . Scientists always trying to dispel the all myths about God so i don't think that science is religion.
I dont think that is the point of science. Science with evidence and patience to process a research. Science gave us infos about ancent civilizations and even dinosaur which i think we didnt know from chruch books. It's not to contradict but religion focuses on miracles. Which is hard to see. Feel free to comment. Agreed, Science is an source which provides us the history of each and everything happening around the world. As mentioned science can be experimented but religious is truly on belief and miracles which can't be proved but only the left behind objects one has faith on religion. What?! Science barely explains anything around the world. And when it explains anything in detail, it gets so complicated and convoluted that nobody can understand what it is saying. yeah and bibile can explain it all with so much detail that even a kid can understand it. wow im so impressed As I attempted to say above, here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1418441.msg14607732#msg14607732, neither science, nor religion, nor the science religion explain everything in detail. Science is limited mostly to things that are not important. Science doesn't explain the most important things, the souls and spirits of people, and the spirits of animals and plants... although scientists are finally trying to apply science to these. But religion talks mostly about these important things. Neither has the theoretical detail down in a factual way that can be tested. If science has such, it is theory no longer. Rather, it is fact. Since science has proven that God exists, we can base our religion on faith in what God tells us. This doesn't prove something that God says to be true. But that is what religion is all about... faith, not proof Science theory that is believed in as truth is religion by the believing, same as other religions... by the believing in something that has not been proven to be factual.
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Science is not a religion - science is a religion killer . Scientists always trying to dispel the all myths about God so i don't think that science is religion.
I dont think that is the point of science. Science with evidence and patience to process a research. Science gave us infos about ancent civilizations and even dinosaur which i think we didnt know from chruch books. It's not to contradict but religion focuses on miracles. Which is hard to see. Feel free to comment. Agreed, Science is an source which provides us the history of each and everything happening around the world. As mentioned science can be experimented but religious is truly on belief and miracles which can't be proved but only the left behind objects one has faith on religion. What?! Science barely explains anything around the world. And when it explains anything in detail, it gets so complicated and convoluted that nobody can understand what it is saying. Religion explains everything about the world. And it describes nothing in any detail that anyone can understand, so important religious books can be interpreted different by different scholars -- leading to radically different explanations of how the world works. Science may not explain everything, but at least it is internally consistent. No, religion doesn't explain everything about the world. For example. Show me where Christianity talks directly about that one weed growing between the cracks in the pavement outside your apartment. No explanation exists about that weed in the Christian religion. A broad generalization might exist, wherein the weed might or might not exist. But religion falls far short of explaining everything about the world. Why does it fall far short? Because that isn't what religion is there for. Science is there to explain everything about the world. But it does not. Science is not internally consistent. For example. There are 3 major Big Bang theories that are all different. There are 4 Black Hole theories that are distinctively different. There are scientists who understand that none of these have been proven to be fact. There are other scientists, some of which believe in each theory. There are still other scientists that believe the theories aren't true, but that something like them is true. Science is picky in the detail area. Because of this, when it doesn't find all the details, it is almost useless. Religion covers the broad generalities. Religion is better than science, because religion shows all sorts of things that science will never be able to show, because of the complexity of nature, the universe, and life. That's the reason why many scientists have turned science into a religion for themselves, by believing in parts of it that have not been proven to be fact. Just like other religion, scientists have turned science into religion, hopeful and believing that parts of science are true, when in reality these parts have not been proven to be true... just like religion.
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I agree with this statement. Nobody is bad because of his religion, race, nationality, sex etc. We are good or bad persons based on our character and personality, not because I'm Christian and you are Muslim. Unfortunately, after each terrorist attack people forget it and start to accuse all Muslims or even Islam for the evil deeds of a few people. It's not right attitude and thinking. We should do better and show tolerance and acceptance to loyal Muslims in our local communities. If we don't do this, more Muslims will feel isolated and unwanted in their European countries and this may help further radicalization of young Muslims in Europe.
Except for one thing. There is a major piece of thinking about this whole thing that always makes it very unclear. Here is what it is. The Koran and the Hadiths essentially order Muslims to be terrorists against people of other religions at times. The Christian Bible New Testament forbids Christians from being violent to other people, always. What does this mean? It means that if a Muslim is not a terrorist against people of other religions some of the time, he is not a good Muslim. He might still be a Muslim. But he is not following the requirements of his religion if he is not being a terrorist some of the time. Many of the Koran and Hadith orders for Muslims to be terrorists against people of other religions can be found here http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx. What about Christians? There are no directives for Christians to do violence. Check the New Testament, the part of the Bible that speaks to Christians. Orders to do violence are not there. Who are the weak Christians? Weak Christians are those who are terrorist Christians. Why are they weak? Because they are not following the rules and directives of Christianity as found in the basic place where Christianity comes from... the New Testament.
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We havent met aliens yet because they are shy.
No they are not. Look at them out there on the dance floor.
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Science is not a religion - science is a religion killer . Scientists always trying to dispel the all myths about God so i don't think that science is religion.
I dont think that is the point of science. Science with evidence and patience to process a research. Science gave us infos about ancent civilizations and even dinosaur which i think we didnt know from chruch books. It's not to contradict but religion focuses on miracles. Which is hard to see. Feel free to comment. Agreed, Science is an source which provides us the history of each and everything happening around the world. As mentioned science can be experimented but religious is truly on belief and miracles which can't be proved but only the left behind objects one has faith on religion. What?! Science barely explains anything around the world. And when it explains anything in detail, it gets so complicated and convoluted that nobody can understand what it is saying.
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Freedom of speech should have a limit, people mix these things when hit the limit and most of the people in this case would do like erdogan. I know people make jokes and humor but not to exaggerate it.
Where will you put the limit at? Making fun of a president is definitely not crossing the limits. I have seen hundreds of Western comedians making fun of non-European heads of state, such as Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Hassan Rouhani, and Evo Morales. None of them have been prosecuted. So my question is, what makes Recep Tayyip Erdoğan any different from them? Limit is at ........... Reached the limit.
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They wouldn't recognize an alien if one was sitting on their shoulder. And they wouldn't tell you if they found an alien.
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I have seen this in local news and the comedian deserve it, a joke has a limit and comedians should not make jokes about presidents like this comedian did, Erdogan does not tolerate even in his country so lets see what will happen with this comedian in germany.
That was supposed to be the difference between Turkey and Germany. Germany claims to be a democracy with the freedom of speech granted to all the residents. On the other hand, Turkey is an Islamic dictatorship where the freedom of speech does not exist. If the German authorities behaves the same way as those in Turkey, then how can they claim to be any different from the Turks? On the Wikipedia common law page at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law, there is a map of the world legal systems. This is an excellent map. It shows that Germany is not exactly the democracy that people think... neither is the United States. Germany is a civil law country. A great and short description of civil law, along with a comparison to common law (United States), can be found at Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_law_%28legal_system%29 where it says: Civil law, civilian law or Roman law is a legal system originating in Europe, intellectualized within the framework of late Roman law, and whose most prevalent feature is that its core principles are codified into a referable system which serves as the primary source of law. This can be contrasted with common law systems whose intellectual framework comes from judge-made decisional law which gives precedential authority to prior court decisions on the principle that it is unfair to treat similar facts differently on different occasions (doctrine of judicial precedent, or stare decisis). Basically, the point about civil law is that a government set up that way is virtually a dictator over the people of the nation. There isn't really any democracy. Government rules by giving itself best benefit by allowing the people democratic-like freedom. Without freedom, people don't benefit the ruling class. Since the idea of democracy is majority rule ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy), the United States isn't really a democracy, either. Why not? Because supreme law is vested in the court system in the States. No matter what law is democratically set up in the States, a jury can judge the law to be of no effect in a case. Such is called jury nullification, and the jurors are the judges in the common law court system of the United States. Such a thing is not available to the people of Germany.
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Please don't be too upset. Like as there are people who believe the stupidity of Big Bang Theory and Black Hole Theory (not that black holes don't exist, but that the theory about what they are is a bit nuts), there are also people who are going to focus on something and call it the work of Satan. Youtube search on "Graham Hancock" and watch a few of his videos. A major point that will become clear by doing this is that Stonehenge is not unique. The astronomical alignments that have been attributed to Stonehenge, are also found in many ancient sites around the world. The point for Christians is that, although sites like Stonehenge were astronomically aligned, they were often being used by the ancient peoples for astrology. And ancient astrology was being used to upset the authority of God in the hearts and minds of people. Then God upset ancient astrology by sending the Great Flood of Noah's day onto the earth, thereby rendering these astronomical/astrological sites useless, because there weren't any people left to use them for a long time. Astrology is back, and has been for a long time. Nowadays it has a sister called modern science. Both of these are attempting to upset the authority of God again. Once more God will upset the foolishness of mankind. But this time, it will be a complete destruction of the whole universe. Not to worry, however. Since people only last about a hundred years max, anyway, the destruction of this universe will open a place for mankind in a new universe that God is making, where there will be no anti-God sentiment. Everything will work smoothly in that universe - no pain, no trouble, only love, peace and joy. Can't wait.
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Perhaps Buddhism was meant to be philosophy, and not religion. But for those who embrace it as a religion, it is a religion.
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So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.
But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.
WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?
Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.
Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.
i dont think atheists (im atheist) hate religion, i think they (like me) hate what religion do to people, like wars, dived families, abandon and things like that Simply another point that shows that atheism is a religion. How? Because atheists do all these evil things as well. Poor logic. If some A = C and some B = C and some C = D, it does not follow that any B = D. Take A as god believers, B as atheists, C as evil deeds and D as religion. Bro, you can't use login in an argument against an overly religious person or a muslim. You need top go lower, use their language. Let me try now.... Uga,uga oooga booga bogaa ugh I think BADecker is a smart person. He or she just has an intellectual blind spot when it comes to Christianity. Stand me up next to any other average person. What do you see? Some of these people are more intelligent that I. Some are less. Some are smarter; others are less smart. Some eat more; some eat less. But we all have the same DNA to within 99.9999%... even if the pronounced DNA isn't quite the same in all of us. We all need air to breathe. We all need water to drink. We all need food to eat. We all need clothing and shelter. We all have emotions. We all have religion. We are very similar. Some of the less sensitive among us don't recognize that we all have religion. It doesn't mean that their beliefs and activities in life aren't religious, or that those who understand that we are religious are more religious. It just means that the so-called irreligious people don't think about their religion in the same way as those who recognize that everyone is religious and has religion.
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That is the reason why I always think and say that the world is so unfair. The world does not belong to rich. Their riches and wealth have nothing to do. The world only belong to those who have pure hearts. How can this rich getting richer and poor became poorer. The law must need to change for justice.
Perhaps. But think about the info in my post, above. Many of the people who built those mansions that are abandoned, were poor. Then they figured out ways to be rich. Then they became so rich that the mansions were useless to them, and it wasn't even worth the time for them to sell them. So they left them. You can do the same thing. Anybody can if he wants to figure out the way to do it. If the law is changed, you will not have your chance to do it anymore. So, what do you want? A pure heart or wealth? Let those with hearts that aren't pure have their wealth. You go and figure out how to have wealth in a way that is right, so you keep your pure heart along with your riches. If the laws change, you won't have this opportunity. Well I just thought that the law have nothing to do with the pure heart. Well those poor people who built mansions and left them realize that wealth is not more important than morality. Well it is good to be rich but in a good way. The only people who have pure hearts are those who have believed in Jesus salvation, and have washed their sins away in His blood, shed on the cross. Jesus tells these people to continually obey the two greatest laws... love God above all things, and love their neighbor as themselves. All the rest of the laws hang on these two great ones. We don't know why those people built their mansions and left them. The articles about it seem to indicate that the mansions were only some kind of catalyst to making greater wealth, and leaving them was the way to secure that wealth.
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