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31141  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: May 23, 2016, 03:42:09 PM


God is a grey haired black guy - getting warmer.


So you think...


When you stand before Him on judgement day... you will be out of words.
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Mark these words of mine...

Maybe he'll be playing golf that day.  He is God after all. He must have something better to do than just fuck with me.

I don't think I want to go to heaven anyway. As mean and spiteful as he is there's probably little signs everywhere like, keep off the grass or you'll burn in hell, no loitering or you're devil bait, no singing unless you're praising me, stop touching yourself.

And yet, right while you are saying this, He is holding all the atoms and molecules and even your thought processes in place, hoping that you will change and accept Him. Because He is the only one Who can hold you alive, and if you don't accept Him, you die.

Cool
31142  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More than 1,200 new planets that could hold life found on: May 23, 2016, 03:27:21 PM
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It does sound 1980s-ish because it is hard to imagine traveling without the need of a spaceship. Maybe we won't need any vehicles if we can convert ourselves into pure data, each probes sent being a galactic network of bridged routers.
Unless we can remotely feel, smell, taste, humans will always want to travel and be "there". I believe it is part of our nature.

Sure, but reality has zoomed past imagination.  That's what happens with exponential technological change.

Reality is that NOW solar system exploration is by our extended eyes and hands, our tools that do remote sensing without the need for moving live meat around in cans.  The 5-40 year long trips exist right now, right here.  Those are lengths of time to go round trip from Earth to various destinations in this solar system.


That is why we are irrational creatures. Lots of us will still do the trip because it is impractical to move live meat around in cans.



But what if you looked into say, a crystal ball, and could see and talk with people in far worlds?


How would I know it was not a clever trick from a crazy Google AI server from Changhua County, feeling lonely just after its self awareness moment?

People will love the crystall ball. I would love it too. At the same time, 0bama VII would force industries to build a rocket to go there, with her face all over it...

We won't be satisfied with just a video feed... Not in our DNAiers...







Interesting argument.

Unless you went there, how could you trust what you saw?

One answer would be that the feed from the router could predict a future event that Google could not know about, and provide a cryptographic signature.  Several of those and you would know that the signature was an entity that could predict those events.

A light speed communications link from 100 light years away could contain a prediction of an event a month off in the comm data stream.  After a couple of those, the accompanying crypto signature would be strongly established as a source. 

If the signal was established directionally as coming from a certain part of the galaxy or a star, Google or other earth jokers could not fake it.

Just one idea.

Wow! I was only "talking" when I suggested "funny farm." Now it's beginning to look like the truth.

 Shocked
31143  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poll: Which religion is the best religion? on: May 23, 2016, 03:24:42 PM
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The only reason religious people are militant is, they don't realize that they are really atheists. If they believed in God, they would be peaceful and loving, like God commands.

Cool
31144  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poll: Which religion is the best religion? on: May 23, 2016, 03:21:50 PM


In a funny farm!

 Cheesy Grin Cheesy
31145  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: May 23, 2016, 03:20:08 PM
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Atheists don't hate religion. They simply want their religion of atheism to be the top religion.

Cool
31146  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why am I an atheist on: May 23, 2016, 03:16:07 PM
Let's instead ask ourselves why, if we are the creatures formed by natural selection that [we] believe ourselves to be, something as odd and yet as meaningful as the near-death experience could ever have evolved. What's the purpose of it?

The simple answer is that, according to the theory of evolution... mutations are RANDOM... ANYTHING can happen... anything at all... including random things like NDE

This does not imply that it was designed, or it has a purpose, or there is any benefit from it...

The only implication is that it is not detrimental... it is not cancer, or a deadly mutation... it's something benign... benign mutations are not susceptible to survival of the fittest because they are benign... that should be obvious to anyone, even a Muslim
The design is shown to be fact first by process of elimination.

There have never been any beneficial mutations observed. Neat idea, but no fact whatsoever.

Probability math shows us that, even if there were randomness in the pure sense, it would have been impossible to have life through evolution (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454732.0).

The idea of natural selection shows that there is selection. Selection says intelligence. Intelligence great enough to be responsible for the complexity of life we see, suggests God-like intelligence. The overwhelming magnitude of numbers of this kind of intelligence without anything opposite being evidenced, proves that God exists and made the whole universe one way or another.




Survival of the fittest is not even about "better" mutations... its simply about not having the worst mutations in the group...
Survival of the fittest coupled with the idea of evolution shouts "science-fiction." Why? Because, even if probability allowed that something like evolution could have happened, the materials surrounding the evolving beneficial mutation, right at the time that the mutation happened, would have destroyed the mutation right on the spot.

The point? There isn't any way to even give evolution the benefit of the doubt and let it be something that is feasible. Evolution that takes inanimate material to life is totally in the realm of science fiction. Believing it as truth turns it into a religion for the believer.



Analogy: You and I are walking in the woods... we see a bear... I put on my running shoes because I don't have to outrun the bear, I only need to outrun YOU... YOU are my competition, not the bear
Didn't see the bear's significant other.




That is exactly how evolution works... the group would see me with running shoes, and soon, everyone in the group would be wearing them (anyone without shoes is bear food)... the only difference with evolution is that mutations are random, and takes longer than making a pair of shoes

Evolution only works in the minds of the ignorant believers of it. Get rid of religions that are not based in truth. Evolution is one of them. Get rid of the evolution false religion.

Makes for interesting sci-fi, though.

Cool
31147  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More than 1,200 new planets that could hold life found on: May 23, 2016, 02:54:28 PM
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It does sound 1980s-ish because it is hard to imagine traveling without the need of a spaceship. Maybe we won't need any vehicles if we can convert ourselves into pure data, each probes sent being a galactic network of bridged routers.
Unless we can remotely feel, smell, taste, humans will always want to travel and be "there". I believe it is part of our nature.

Sure, but reality has zoomed past imagination.  That's what happens with exponential technological change.

Reality is that NOW solar system exploration is by our extended eyes and hands, our tools that do remote sensing without the need for moving live meat around in cans.  The 5-40 year long trips exist right now, right here.  Those are lengths of time to go round trip from Earth to various destinations in this solar system.


That is why we are irrational creatures. Lots of us will still do the trip because it is impractical to move live meat around in cans.



But what if you looked into say, a crystal ball, and could see and talk with people in far worlds?

Don't tell anyone, except if you are starving on the streets, and everything you own is the clothing you wear. It might even get you a home in the funny farm.

 Cool
31148  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: May 23, 2016, 02:51:06 PM
It is not a mystery in my eyes. It was the terrorist, without a doubt. With an event like that, there will always be conspiracies that surround it.

This is true. It's just that some of the terrorists in this tragedy were high-up officials in the U.S. government.

Cool
There's currently a lawsuit that says some of the terrorists were high up officials in the Saudi Arabian government.  Sounds to me like you are just repeating Anti-US propaganda.

You are starting to catch on! Terrorists aren't your hard-working, average, everyday people. They are the idle rich, and people in governments, who are attempting to steal from the workers. All that you are trying to do is get people to think that it was some stupid, everyday, hard-working Arab Muslims that were the 9/11 terrorists.....
Cool
I don't believed you've adequately answered my question about how you have a massive conspiracy with a billion dollar payout to anyone who talks, and then nobody talks.  Even though you'd like to point the finger at the Evil Jew Silverman, your theory is bullshit, unless you can show how the lid could be kept on such a thing.

Evil Jews, Murderers in the US Government, the least guilty is hard working Arab Muslims....Yep, you are a propagandist for Muslims.  Does it pay well?

Who am I to question what you believe? If you believe little green aliens came down and whisked you off to their planet for an interview with their pet goddess, who am I to question it? The funny farms are full of people who believe all kinds of things. Let 'em believe. Even respect their beliefs in them.

When the events of 9/11 are examined in as much detail as we can examine them, there is clearly a coverup by government and the media. Stuff doesn't happen the way the official government report suggests. The fact that the materials of the Towers were destroyed long before they could be carefully examined, shows that the inside job is rooted in the highest parts of government. The fact that Silverman was involved in the Towers as the owner, shows that he was involved in the whole thing, as well.

Do you literally write your stuff from a funny farm?

Cool
31149  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poll: Which religion is the best religion? on: May 23, 2016, 02:42:35 PM
Doesn't really matter which religion here is the "best". I think at the core of all these teachings we'd find love and respect for others. We tend to overlook these things for more radical aspects of the religion we belong to. I can imagine the reaction of jesus, or buddha, or mohammed seeing us so divided over the same subject that all of them are trying to teach us. For me, all these religions are teaching us the same lesson with different teachers. Cheesy

Here is the reason why the best religion is important.

If you had a teenage child of car-driving age, and your child asked you for the keys, what would you do? Wouldn't you base your decision to give him the keys on how good and trustworthy of a person he was?

God gave us a very wonderful, complex life. Try growing an extra finger on your hand. Can't do it. It is too complex. Yet, life is full of pleasures God has given all of us.

Yet we took our life and destroyed it. God made us to last forever. But we disobey Him all the time, and live basically less than 100 years because of our disobedience.

We disrespect God greatly (to put it extremely mildly). So why should God give us eternal life? Why shouldn't God give us the damnation we deserve for disrespecting the Controller of everything? He has the power. Why shouldn't He destroy us all? It is an honor thing.

Some religions offer eternal life. Islam has no reason why God would offer eternal life to us bad people. The Christian religion not only shows the whys and the wherefores, but it also shows how it all works. No other religion has the way to keep one from going to a soul-destruction that is fraught with pain.

Love, peace, and joy in this life are great. They are the things that should exist. But the life after this one is way more important. Find the religion that has the truth of it. It means an eternity of peace and joy and love, as opposed to an eternity of the opposite filled with pain.

Cool




I totally agree with most of what you said sir, I mean I myself am a christian and christianity has great and wonderful teachings.

I'm just saying that at the base of pretty much all religions, it's the same. They teach to be respectful to others. To love, to share.

Its too easy for us to believe that the religion we belong to is the best among others but I think we also have to understand that, given the different cultures we have, people from other religions would think the same way about theirs.

This keeps us divided as humans. And the God that I know, for me, doesn't limit eternal life and paradise to christians or catholics.

It doesn't matter if you're christian, or muslim or hindu or an atheist, as long as you stick to the basics of your religion, which for me would be love and respect for others regardless of what religion they're affiliated with, the gates of paradise should be wide open for you. Cheesy

Your thinking is right. And it is the reason why Jesus taught and trained His disciples to go into the world and tell the Gospel to other people. It is the reason why, in the Acts of the Apostles, when the great persecution of the Church in Jerusalem came about (a few years before the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 A.D.) that the Christians were scattered, and told everybody that they met about the Gospel.

People generally believe things that make sense. There are few people who really believe atheism, because atheism is blind faith. Most humble atheists are despairing people who are grasping at straws because of some traumatic happenings in their lives. Then they become settled in this thinking, and build on it. If they would take the time to really step out of their blind faith thinking, they would turn to God one way or another. Many have done this.

Preaching the Gospel and the Bible brings logic to people. It shows people that there is something greater than the foolishness they had been believing in their favorite, pet religion. It brings clarity. If they read the Bible in humility (or listen to it being read) God actually works with them to let them understand.


People are generally not great thinkers. Even scientists (who attempt to be great thinkers) miss the fact that nature shows that God exists, and that their own science proves that God exists. People are not made to be great thinkers. They are made to be great listeners. Listening to the Word of God in the Bible brings them into clarity of the truth.

Cool
31150  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: May 23, 2016, 02:28:02 PM
It is not a mystery in my eyes. It was the terrorist, without a doubt. With an event like that, there will always be conspiracies that surround it.

This is true. It's just that some of the terrorists in this tragedy were high-up officials in the U.S. government.

Cool
There's currently a lawsuit that says some of the terrorists were high up officials in the Saudi Arabian government.  Sounds to me like you are just repeating Anti-US propaganda.

You are starting to catch on! Terrorists aren't your hard-working, average, everyday people. They are the idle rich, and people in governments, who are attempting to steal from the workers. All that you are trying to do is get people to think that it was some stupid, everyday, hard-working Arab Muslims that were the 9/11 terrorists. You are so far off base with this that you are completely in a different game... one that barely has any facts in it at all.

Cool
31151  Other / Off-topic / Re: Poll: Which religion is the best religion? on: May 23, 2016, 07:02:11 AM
Doesn't really matter which religion here is the "best". I think at the core of all these teachings we'd find love and respect for others. We tend to overlook these things for more radical aspects of the religion we belong to. I can imagine the reaction of jesus, or buddha, or mohammed seeing us so divided over the same subject that all of them are trying to teach us. For me, all these religions are teaching us the same lesson with different teachers. Cheesy

Here is the reason why the best religion is important.

If you had a teenage child of car-driving age, and your child asked you for the keys, what would you do? Wouldn't you base your decision to give him the keys on how good and trustworthy of a person he was?

God gave us a very wonderful, complex life. Try growing an extra finger on your hand. Can't do it. It is too complex. Yet, life is full of pleasures God has given all of us.

Yet we took our life and destroyed it. God made us to last forever. But we disobey Him all the time, and live basically less than 100 years because of our disobedience.

We disrespect God greatly (to put it extremely mildly). So why should God give us eternal life? Why shouldn't God give us the damnation we deserve for disrespecting the Controller of everything? He has the power. Why shouldn't He destroy us all? It is an honor thing.

Some religions offer eternal life. Islam has no reason why God would offer eternal life to us bad people. The Christian religion not only shows the whys and the wherefores, but it also shows how it all works. No other religion has the way to keep one from going to a soul-destruction that is fraught with pain.

Love, peace, and joy in this life are great. They are the things that should exist. But the life after this one is way more important. Find the religion that has the truth of it. It means an eternity of peace and joy and love, as opposed to an eternity of the opposite filled with pain.

Cool
31152  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What do you think about 9/11 mystery? on: May 23, 2016, 06:19:07 AM
It is not a mystery in my eyes. It was the terrorist, without a doubt. With an event like that, there will always be conspiracies that surround it.

This is true. It's just that some of the terrorists in this tragedy were high-up officials in the U.S. government.

Cool
31153  Other / Politics & Society / Re: There IS life after DEATH: Scientists reveal shock findings on: May 23, 2016, 06:16:37 AM
So you neurons are firing longer than they initially thought after your heart stops.

You class that as living?

Seems just like a slightly longer descent into nothingness to me.

Doesn't have to do with neurons firing. Has to do with the extra dimensional soul that rides the body, and analyzes the neuron firings.

Our soul rides our body in a way similar to a person driving a car. If the engine breaks down, the car is useless. This doesn't stop the person from examining it.

Our soul can examine our dead body, just like a person can examine his "dead" car. The difference is that our soul doesn't have the means and the tools to repair the dead body. Science is finally starting to measure the soul in tiny ways.

Cool
31154  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: May 23, 2016, 06:06:19 AM
Hi! I don't really think being an atheist generally makes you hate religion. I mean let's face it, religion throughout history is one of the main reason we people misunderstand, judge or even hate each other. I think, for me personally, not having to believe in a certain god or teaching makes you look beyond the differences religion creates. So there, I think being an atheist doesn't necessarily mean you "hate" religion, you just have a different perspective about things that are not bound by any teachings. Cheesy

Human beings are religion-minded beings. This is because they don't know the future, and need something for security. Atheists and agnostics are religious people just like other people. The difference is that atheists try to be non-theistic about their religion. But they can't. There is too much evidence for God in the universe. Their religion is a religion of man as god, and lies about the real God existing.

Cool
31155  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why am I an atheist on: May 23, 2016, 06:00:36 AM


Out of sympathy for you (and for your finding on the article quoted on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1481567.0), I'm going to answer you, but, as usually, we think according to different logical rules:

"If environmental circumstance and chance could produce the complexity that we are"

Evolution is proven beyond doubt, based on fossils and genetics. The mechanisms of evolution are adaptation, based on more or less random genetic changes, to environmental circumstances, ergo environmental circumstance and chance created our complexity.
"Evolution" has many meanings. If you are talking about inorganic material changing into a human being, the odds are so far against it that it is way impossible under any circumstances. The longer the time (age of the universe), the more impossible it becomes. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1454732.0.

Fossils show no missing links. All they show is a great variety of plants and animals, greater than we have at present.

There is no random. Cause and effect, which is upheld by Newton's 3rd Law, shows that all effects are caused. This means that there is no pure random.

All the things that you are talking about are conjecture in the way that you are talking about them. This is why evolution is classified as theory rather than fact.



"it would have destroyed the complexity almost faster than it could make the complexity."

This is a statement of fact, I guess you have hard evidence to justify why it would be faster destroying than making us? Anyway, if you gave chance enough time, it will destroy us. Just don't wait standing.
Chance doesn't have anything to do with destroying us or not. The thing called "death" is what has been destroying us for years now. However, there are always some people still around. So, life is stronger than death.



"Math and probability prove that the complexity of the universe could not have happened by chance."

Since we are more complex than any galaxy (we have more cells than a galaxy has stars and, probably, planets), and we were made by evolution that is determined by chance and adaptation to circumstances, it seems your math and probabilities (that, as usually, you don't present) are wrong.

There wasn't any evolution in the way you are using the word. There isn't any thing called "chance." Chance has to do with our inability to see things in detail. Since we can't see the details, we use probability to guestimate them. In reality, there is no probability... no chance.

God pre-programmed the universe to exist as it does.

Cool
31156  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: May 23, 2016, 05:40:37 AM

Good video, keep 'em posting, don't stop.

The latest from flat earth TV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjahgBTBu24
 

Here is the major flat-earth wrong thinking about this.

What if Adam and Eve had not sinned? There would be no death. After a time, there would be only standing room left on the earth.

Those billions of planets are out there. They were made by God as a place for people to expand to when earth became overflowing with people.

If Adam were still alive and 6,000 years old, think of all the "science" he could have found out by now. Such things as space flight to the stars on a practical basis would have been discovered long ago. Many other people would have been able to do similar in many ways.

All this has been lost to us because we live so few years that we don't have time to calculate much of anything. In addition, the entropy that has entered our universe due to sin, is causing us to be able to think less well all the time.

On top of that, we really don't know that God has not started His destruction of this universe a long time ago (again, because of sin). The only knowledge we have of the vast cosmological expanses is the light that reaches us from there. We don't know for a fact that a great destruction has NOT already entered our solar system. It would be propagated at the speed of light, and we wouldn't see it until it was right on us.

There is as much or more unclear thinking in the flat-earth model as there is in the standard globular model.

Cool
31157  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New Evidence Could Overthrow the Standard View of Quantum Mechanics on: May 23, 2016, 04:27:41 AM
This is precisely why modern QM is of a probabilistic nature. Something that works and is accurate might be figured out by QM. But if it isn't tested in ways other than QM, it will never be known to be accurate.

Cool

Perhaps we are looking in the wrong place or in the wrong way. Maybe we should be looking for something that combines the two forms of QM, rather than choosing which QM is more correct.

Cool
31158  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New Evidence Could Overthrow the Standard View of Quantum Mechanics on: May 23, 2016, 04:22:48 AM
This is precisely why modern QM is of a probabilistic nature. Something that works and is accurate might be figured out by QM. But if it isn't tested in ways other than QM, it will never be known to be accurate.

Cool
31159  Other / Politics & Society / Re: On the meaning of life and the long-term merits of technologic improvement on: May 23, 2016, 04:18:31 AM
All that technological improvements mean is that somebody will be able to use technology to control someone else easier. Government will use technology to make government people rich at the expense of poor ignorant people who don't have technology.

One of the few pieces of technology that might help poor people from being plundered is a good gun in their hands.

Cool
31160  Other / Politics & Society / Re: More than 1,200 new planets that could hold life found on: May 23, 2016, 04:15:02 AM
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It does sound 1980s-ish because it is hard to imagine traveling without the need of a spaceship. Maybe we won't need any vehicles if we can convert ourselves into pure data, each probes sent being a galactic network of bridged routers.
Unless we can remotely feel, smell, taste, humans will always want to travel and be "there". I believe it is part of our nature.

Sure, but reality has zoomed past imagination.  That's what happens with exponential technological change.

Reality is that NOW solar system exploration is by our extended eyes and hands, our tools that do remote sensing without the need for moving live meat around in cans.  The 5-40 year long trips exist right now, right here.  Those are lengths of time to go round trip from Earth to various destinations in this solar system.

Yep! The science fiction used to be in the books, from which our minds created the pictures. Now it is right in the electronics.

Cool
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