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3121  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 2X on: September 25, 2017, 10:07:03 AM
Its not the merits of core vs 2x thread. As i said in OP, I am curious as to how this might play out. When will we know how many are "locked in" to either side? Will the fork happen regardless and we wont know until after how many miners support each or is it possible that the fork will not happen due to overwhelming support for either side?

As long as there are miners supporting either side a hardfork is inevitable and will occur as soon as the first SegWit block will be mined that is to large for core. Which side will see more long-term support and thus have more mining power is anyone's guess.


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Your right hardforks have risks, I "feel" though that not hard forking can have risks of stultification. I wonder if some sort of dynamic scaling would allay your hard for concerns.

Thanks for your considered opinions by the way. I like it when you address point by point.

To be honest, after the BCH split of I see hardforks as having merits of their own. Given that there is a proper 2-way replay protection. Dynamic scaling leads to yet a different set of challenges, but I didn't follow that discourse too deeply.

3122  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How do ICOS's work? on: September 25, 2017, 07:36:41 AM
Good to see that people are finally looking at ICOs more critically. For a couple of weeks I thought the whole (crypto-)world went mad.


I was wondering how much money it takes to start one's ICO. Example given: I want to issue X number of tokens worth $125.000. What will be my expenses like?

I think there's next to no money needed to start an ICO, you'll probably just need to look up on how to issue a token on the Ethereum network. The value of X tokens will be defined by how much people are willing to pay. How much people are willing to pay depends on what you have to offer.
3123  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 2X on: September 25, 2017, 05:50:36 AM
I do not see that core's has any tenable objection to 2X.

[1] Tech has moved on, 2mb is not that big, HD space and bandwidth are much cheaper

2x is a "physical" blocksize increase to 4-6MB, not just 2MB. Regular SegWit already leads to 2-3MB blocks.


[2] BCH has proved you can go bigger blocks and have significant value network, and BCH network has not collapsed.

BCH has barely any blocks that are larger than 50k because there are hardly any transactions being made, so it hasn't proven anything so far.


[3] It provides choice as to on chain or of chain transactions

Regular SegWit does as well.


[4] there is no such thing as spam in the network, but I will use the word "spam" as shorthand for transactions person A does not like.

Spam is defined as transactions that are made explicitely for the purpose of clogging up the network, akin to DDoS requests. While to my knowledge there's little "hard" proof that spam transaction exists, they are not simply "transactions person A does not like."


[5] If you say go 8 times the blocksize and 1/2 the price for fees it will be 4 times more costly to "spam" a block while providing much lower fees. Given there are limited bitcoins, the spammer will run out of BTC to spam.

Agreed.


I welcome any discussion as why I am in error, but as it stand to not 2x then a few years later 4x and so on, seem in bad faith by core. It forces the question cui bono?

Problem being, that this approach would require a hardfork any time a block size increase takes place. While it went fairly OK with BCH, a hardfork is always a risky endeavour.
3124  Economy / Speculation / Re: As BTC raises..ETH will fall! on: September 24, 2017, 08:42:11 AM
I am trying to find the connection why the fall of ETH as percent is higher than BTC!

There is this hidden gathering of limiting btc supplies....while offering too much ETH!


Agree ..Disagree?


Historically, whenever BTC loses value, the alts react even stronger. Many people know this, so they trade accordingly, lest they are left holding the bag.

To add to that, in times of uncertainty people tend to move to assets that they perceive as safer. Apparently BTC is still more trusted than ETH.

3125  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you think China has halted the pace of bitcoin reaching new high?? on: September 24, 2017, 08:30:38 AM
Do you think China issue has halted the pace of bitcoin reaching new record high?? How much time do you think required for bitcoin to forget China issue and pick-up the pace to touch new levels???

Imo the correction we saw would have happened without all the china bs as well. Maybe not so quick and not so hard.
But the market was obviously overbought and needed some cooling off.
The problem right now is that the china situation created some uncertainty. And as long this is not solved (will there be regulated exchanges or will they move somewhere else? What about a mining ban? Will it happen or not?) the price will range between 3000 to 4000(4500).

Definitely. It would be naive to think that BTC would have simply continued to grow without any much needed corrections along the way. Once the China situation has been either resolved or forgotten BTC can move on. I think at this point it doesn't even matter whether China decides in favour of or against BTC. Even a negative decision will be better for the market than the current uncertainty.

Additionally, SegWit2x looming on the horizon doesn't exactly help the situation.
3126  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Atomic Swap on: September 24, 2017, 12:14:48 AM
trust is a huge factor in anything crypto

Having to trust is the very thing you want to get rid of in crypto. You store your own private keys so you don't have to trust exchanges. You have consensus mechanisms such as PoW so you don't have to trust miners.

The moment you have to trust a third party, such as the USDT issuers, you left one of the most important features of crypto behind.
3127  Economy / Gambling / Re: SafeDICE.com ★ Bitcoin Dice ★ Monero ★ 0.5% Edge ★ Fast Cashout ★ Since 2014 on: September 23, 2017, 11:57:05 PM
Safedice is a huge platform. The admin should at least hire a few person for support rather than handling each of them on his own. People are waiting weeks for a reply.

Most support issues are cold storage / hot wallet related, thus I understand that the admin prefers not entrusting those parts to anyone else. But indeed the general email support / community management aspect is slightly lacking, which is a pity for a site that has proven itself to be trustworthy so far. I'm sure that with more consistent customer support more players would be drawn to SafeDICE.
3128  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Future proof hardware wallets? OR paper wallets? on: September 23, 2017, 08:14:36 AM
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Paper wallets seems nice because they are free. But I don't know if I should use them or not. The positive for paper wallet seems that we can make multiple copies of it and store at different places and there seems to be no issue in them like hardware wallets of malfunctioning hardware etc. But I think there are no paper wallets for all the top altcoins as well?  Also, am not sure how do I check if my money has been transferred to a piece of paper and how much that paper is worth...

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Each hardware wallet comes with a 24 word long seed phrase that can be used to restore your wallet in case your device breaks or gets lost. This seed phrase you can and should back up, giving you the ability to back up multiple copies just like with a paper wallet. Worst case, if your hardware breaks, you can always restore it to a software wallet such as Electrum (or to a new hardware wallet, should you decide to buy a new one).

If you stick with paper wallets, you can check its balance by entering its address in a block explorer such as blockchain.info. Most other alts have block explorers of their own.


I dont know how paper wallets work as I have never used them myself so will refrain from comment on that. However, I have used a hardware wallet in Trezor. I will say that hands

down I feel secure using it and moving forward I think a hardware wallet is necessary for any crypto trader. Regardless of what you do you got it right in the sense you should not

keep any funds on an exchange.

thanks,  however if one is trading is it not feasible to store the coins on the exchange as moving them to and from from the hardware wallet would be a cumbersome process and all the IN/OUT fee charges that would be charged as well?

If you're actively trading it makes sense to just leave the coins on the exchange. Once you stop actively trading and decide to just hold, however, it makes sense to take them off the exchange to mitigate the risk of the exchange being hacked or going bust.
3129  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Investing vs Trading and why? on: September 23, 2017, 07:38:04 AM
Hi everyone...

Just a newbie and am planning to put some money into crypto. Now the thing which is stopping me is whether I should go for trading as the currency is volatile and can give some quick gains or buy it and sleep over it for a few years. Or should I go with 50% trading and 50% investing.

Need experts guidance please

Whatever you do, if you're new to crypto you shouldn't be trading. Trading cryptos is risky / hard enough as is, moreso if you're not familiar with the market.

Additionally, try to focus on BTC. While some alts may have merits on their own, many of them are just ways to extract money from newcomers.
3130  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Atomic Swap on: September 23, 2017, 07:26:23 AM
Is it possible to use Atomic Swap in near future to dump exchanges like Poloniex?

So i could sell bitcoins when price is high to another coin which price have been for long staying same and later when bitcoin price is low i could change another coin back to bitcoin. Or it would be better if i could use something like usdt not some random coin.

The way I understand it atomic cross-chain swaps could indeed be used to enable decentralized crypto-currency trading. However amongst other technical limititations the logic for atomic swaps would need to be implemented for each respective currency so you'll probably have only a handful of alts available for trading -- if atomic cross-chain swaps ever come to full fruition.

Btw, USDT is running on top of the BTC blockchain via OMNI, so by definition you won't see any atomic cross-chain swaps for BTC / USDT. Other technical solutions may be viable though.

In other words: long term we may be able to decentrally trade some alts, but it will take a while to get there.
3131  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much closer is Bitcoin to being mainstream? on: September 22, 2017, 10:14:47 PM
Bitcoin is already mainstream. Big media platforms are writing articles about it. Also when you look the unconfirmed transactions, the amount increases every second. It passed PayPal's marketcap a couple of weeks ago. PayPal is quite mainstream, even my mother knows it.

Nah... Bitcoin has become more widely known and people are just starting to realize that there might be something to it, that's true. But it's still quite far from mainstream, albeit we're slowly getting there.

Knowing about something and using it are two very different things. A lot of people knew about cars, computers and the internet before the general populace started using them.

PayPal's market cap is a useless metric in this regard, unfortunately. It will be mainstream once the userbase is the size of PayPal.
3132  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2017-09-21] Germany's Central Bank: Consumers Won't Use Blockchain for Payments on: September 21, 2017, 10:55:42 PM
Actually the title is slightly incorrect, reading the statement of the Deutsche Bundesbank [1] itself it should say:

"Germany's Central Bank: Consumers Won't use our Blockchain for Payments."

And with that, they're not wrong.

[1] https://www.bundesbank.de/Redaktion/EN/Topics/2017/2017_09_20_monthly_report_dlt.html
3133  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lightning Network where are the transaction records stored? on: September 21, 2017, 10:41:42 PM
[3] Yes. I mean no one can force you to delete them if you want to keep the locally, but they become invalid. Only the transaction for opening a channel and a transaction for closing the channel is stored on the blockchain.

Maybe there would be a reason to keep invalid transactions to prove they took place? If a pair of commercial partners has a dispute over whether or not a payment took place, records may be desirable in order to prove what happened (I guess this is highlighting a weakness of Lightning; no such problem can be exploited when transacting on-chain).

How can it be exploited if both parties keep track of and agree on each transaction that takes place while the channel is open? The involved parties are able to see whether they received the correct amount each step along the way. Whether the selling party actually delivered the goods or services for the payment received is neither LN's nor the blockchain's responsibility.

Apart from that commercial partners need to keep books either way, regardless of whether they get paid on-chain, off-chain, via traditional banking or in cash.
3134  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitstamp Unwanted Failed Deposit Operation on: September 21, 2017, 10:11:13 PM
Hello,

I have a failed 5000 EUR credit card deposit on my Bitstamp deposit page. What does it mean?

I never did that. I'm worried right now.

I only clicked on the Credit Card deposits and on the "Buy" button on the 5000 EUR choice just to check something but never planned to go further.

I tried to repeat the operation to check if clicking on the buy button and not actually purchasing anything logs a "failed" deposit on the deposit list but I don't see anything.

Even if it did log it, it should be written "canceled" and not "failed".

What is going on? Anyone familiar with Bitstamp who could help me?

I already sent a mail to their support/complaint adresses and opened a ticket.

Does anyone know how fast they tend to answer?

Thanks in advance guys!


Bitstamp has a fairly good reputation, so while it's hard to tell how fast they will respond (depending on how swamped their support is right now) they should get back to you reliably.

Either way I wouldn't worry too much. Depending on at which point of the process you cancelled the deposit, Bitstamp may not be able to tell an aborted credit card transaction from a failed one. This means they will likely just log the attempt as "failed". Either way this should affect neither your credit card nor your Bitstamp account balance.
3135  Economy / Speculation / Re: So if Bitcoin goes to $1m or $10m or $100m a coin.... on: September 21, 2017, 07:24:46 PM
And becomes a giant world currency...

Wouldnt there be quite the HUGE interest by govs of US, russia, china to own huge parts of it?

I'm afraid it would need to be the other way round... first the world governments would need to be interested in using BTC as a reserve currency, then we would see a market cap like that.

Nonethelesss I think USD 1M,- is way out of league. In my opinion even USD 100k,- is already a long shot, but there's still a lot of growth potential nonetheless.


Bitcoin can reach $100,000-500,000. But $1M and up is impossible. Maybe in 50 years.

Well, all you'd need is for the dollar to become worth next to nothing Tongue
3136  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Low Trade Volume on: September 21, 2017, 03:25:10 PM
Hi. Recently started trading Ethereum and Bitcoin so this all new to me. I was wondering what the decrease in trade volume could indicate? Seems like some a sign of big movement in one direction soon, but I'm just guessing there. Any suggestions?

My guess would be that it's the calm before the storm, due to the uncertainties regarding China. Most people already have taken position in the last few days, may it be fiat or crypto. But right now everyone is just waiting and watching in which direction the market may move next.
3137  Economy / Speculation / Re: Nice ride but i'm dumping on: September 21, 2017, 07:23:30 AM
What makes you think that BCH will fare better than BTC during the SegWit2x fork? Even without replay protection people could try to get their hands on both sides of the BTC/ SegWit2x fork. With BCH they will have neither. In addition we will then see 3 forks competing for the same hashpower, with BCH possibly having the weakest support from miners, merchants and the community.

I mean there's very likely going to be a BCH pump in anticipation of the SegWit2x fork. I just wouldn't be so sure about what comes after that.

Just my 2 Satoshis. Nothing wrong with taking profits. Good luck out there! Smiley
3138  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Only 10 days until the SegWit2x fork on: September 20, 2017, 11:46:45 PM
I initially thought of SegWit2x as a good approach to bring the community back together, but the more time I spent looking into the matter, the less convinced I was. The final nail in the coffin being the deliberate lack of replay protection.

I'm all for hardforks to let the market decide which currency prevails, but the lack of replay protection is just reckless. Say what you will about BCH, but at least they got that part right, albeit barely.

The BCH developers waited until the last few days before the fork (i.e. the 11th hour) to add replay protection. Just like the Segwit2x guys, they didn't want to add replay protection because 1) it would make BCH not Bitcoin and 2) there wouldn't be working HD wallets out the box. Those two aspects make a hard fork much less attractive, so naturally, the forkers want to maintain the position that "consensus has been reached, so replay protection is not necessary."

Of course, hard forks basically guarantee network splits, so replay protection should always be necessary. I hope that this becomes the normal etiquette. Everyone should be free to fork, but lack of replay protection means many people will lose money -- guaranteed.

That's what I meant by BCH getting that part barely right Smiley

If I recall correctly they had their wonky first 2-way replay protection already earlier in place (wonky in that it was opt-in for BTC transactions). It's just that the final 2-way protection got implemented about 2-3 days before the fork.
3139  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Only 10 days until the SegWit2x fork on: September 20, 2017, 10:27:59 PM
I initially thought of SegWit2x as a good approach to bring the community back together, but the more time I spent looking into the matter, the less convinced I was. The final nail in the coffin being the deliberate lack of replay protection.

I'm all for hardforks to let the market decide which currency prevails, but the lack of replay protection is just reckless. Say what you will about BCH, but at least they got that part right, albeit barely.
3140  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: If you cannot beat them, join them.... on: September 20, 2017, 10:03:43 PM
Permissioned blockchains as a settlement layer between banks may be viable at one point, nonetheless I yet fail to see the benefit. Governmental issued crypto-currencies however... nah.

I don't think any central bank would be crazy enough to try it. Well, the PBOC maybe, but apart from that I'm sure that deep inside they are themselves aware of the absurdity that such a public-facing crypto-currency would represent.

However if such a digital currency would arise, I wouldn't be surprised if people actually bought in. Just look at XRP for example. Or USDT. We're practically there already.
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