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3141  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: August 22, 2015, 07:42:05 AM
Who do I contact for a lot owned by cryptotown?
3142  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 21, 2015, 07:39:35 PM

Bravo! .  Grin


Was debating whether to read this or to keep watching Mad max--think I made the right choice. When you talk about micro payments (Monero, no?  Sad), I was think of how a site like soundcloud could benefit from penny (or fraction of a penny) listen fees--they only play 15 second adds every half hour or so, but as more manufacturing moves directly to the consumer, it would make more sense to replace that meager sum with micropayents--and since so much of their best content are covers--this would allow the original artist to gain the lion share while those who tweak their work would also benefit and help the original work to stay fresh. The profit division would be content originator, content distributor/centralizer, and sometimes, content  editor. It's mind boggling simple and the efficiency gains are ridiculous.
3143  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What is the perfect hedge for our bitcoins? on: August 21, 2015, 03:05:06 AM
I think this is nothing but another Monero fanboy post cluttering up this forum. 

When are you girls going to give up?  Stop kicking the dead horse.

Dead horse is testing DB and has a game* releasing next week. Your move, hater.   Smiley



*A cyber economy with VR storefronts and property would be a more precise description.
3144  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 21, 2015, 02:44:04 AM
Could anyone else please report username18333's posts to the moderator besides just me. Aren't we tired of the useless noise? I will delete this post.

Can't be tired of what you don't see.  Cool

Seriously, you can report someone for wasting time and being off-topic?

And so usernamexxxxx knows what i mean by wasting time: if you are correct and nothing can be proven (how do you scientifically prove this? --who knows, but it would be more practical to figure this out instead of arguing in circles....) then living your life on this assumption will garner you nothing, while buying into the lie(?) that can't be unproven will garner you experiencess you wouldn't have choosing the non-route. I'll stick with science being correct and wager an increased life expectancy, a hotter wife, and a nice vacation home are better goals than arguing with everyone that there is nothing to argue about.

PS. it must eat you up inside that this unprovable entity of your own making will never see your posts unless someone else of your own making quotes you.  Grin
3145  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 19, 2015, 06:59:29 PM
darkecologies.com/2015/08/19/cryptosociety-the-dark-economy-and-technologies-of-freedom/
3146  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Can anyone explain the Altcoin paradox? on: August 18, 2015, 04:56:49 AM
If you assume that gaining BTC is the point of other coins, then yes, you've gamed the logic so that most everyone who mines or trades alts is using a faulty strategy.

Now, if you assume that some people view some alternative coins as better than Bitcoin (or fill a role Bitcoin doesn't) and are using Bitcoin's price to leverage more of their chosen coin(s), then your presumption loses credibility.

I'd say many are playing it one way or the other, the smarter ones are doing both.

3147  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XMR/AEON Developer Smooth Investigation on: August 17, 2015, 08:22:43 AM
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LOL, Dash shuts up Monero trolls with releases and new things all the time. At dash's side our developers actually doing some crypto  coding, while Monero do what they do best cry*p*to about it here on forums LOOOOOL

A lot of people, and not just some Dashers, are going to get caught by surprise if they assume that Monero development is measured by the over 8 month old "official" binaries. Monero is being very actively developed right now. The real action is going on GitHub https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero and one needs to compile the code to see what is really going on. In the meantime those who have chosen to bet against Monero can live in a false sense of security by focusing only on the "official" binaries.

Can we start giving new builds exciting names that sound like powerful engines?

Dash does it and it makes the coin sound really cool.

I accidentally gave myself a 10% raise this year, but told the CFO it was a dash-raise, so he could only throw his his hands up in the air and say, "why didn't I think of that?" Thanks, Evan, works like a charm.
3148  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XMR/AEON Developer Smooth Investigation on: August 16, 2015, 03:50:06 PM
So so obvious... V12 is out and trrolling stopped. Where is everybody? Ah yes, V12 is OUT!
Trolls have done their job, now they may rest. So SO obvious...

So a dasher starts a thread to drag another coin's Dev through the mud and you think that it was an overt plan to troll dash?



It's better to have smart enemies than stupid friends.
3149  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 16, 2015, 03:31:20 PM
Once you put unbreakable crypto technologies out in open source, TPTB can possibly filter one protocol but a 1000 others will sprout, because where there is a demand supply will go. (And with steganography and perhaps alternative wireless networks, they may not be able to filter)

The smart fork would enable spending the coins from the destroyed protocol into the new protocol, so it is a continuation of the preexisting value and distribution. TPTB can then play Whack-A-Mole.



The more the government stomps on commerce, the more demand for those technologies.

I don't think they can break the core math quickly. And we'll always be driving ahead towards stronger math. Our community hasn't been organized. We haven't been funding mathematicians.

My goal was to get the snowball rolling downhill. I sense the past tense is accurate now.

Edit: TPTB rely on something not being too popular or co-opting the popular movements. How can they convince the people they are stomping on to prefer their walled gardens and jails? The count on being able to divide-and-conquer or pick off a few from the herd at a time, so the rest of the herd doesn't react. But if you do decentralization very well, then any individual can effect his own choice. One problem with Bitcoin from my view, has been we rely so heavily on network miners being not co-opted and thus the battle over BitcoinXT (aka GavinCoin).

In the designer drug game (continuing metaphor), even if the state could outlaw drugs as quickly as a drug was presented to them, you could release 3d printer plans for new drugs as soon as the drug was outlawed and even have chemists (at home and of their own volition) modifying the drugs as they get the plans. The whole thing should and could be made effectively automated+autonomous+rigorously-modified and resistant to day-late-dollar-short countermeasures.
3150  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 16, 2015, 09:25:47 AM
We need [...] some merchants who keep the Moneros (or at least a part of the Moneros). The merchants who hold Moneros are good for Monero economy as they allow people taking bigger positions in Moneros and when people pay their purchases hopefully the merchants keep at least a part of the coins so that the bagholders do not eat all those Moneros.

Could you elaborate why you think a merchant would keep the Monero's it has been paid for the service or product it is offering?

From the consumer perspective I am convinced that true anonymity has value. From the merchant perspective not yet. Please convince me, truly interested.

From a merchants perspective, you may not want competitors aware of your transactions (debits or credits). Especially if they can piece together information like contacts (distributors, wholesalers, ect) from analytic software. A smaller business may not want criminal elements to track their balances. Also, many employers and employees would not like their salaries and wages on public record.
3151  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 16, 2015, 09:02:50 AM

ATM CryptoKingdom gold may make more sense than actual gold. VR worlds are on the rise as the physical world can't hide its costs in blood, sweat and tears. Some woman dangles a diamond in front of me and all I see is a CIA propped warlord, death squads and Nicholas Cage asking, "How do we arm the other 11?"

Popular game currencies have threatened the State enough that overtly totalitarian States had to outlaw them:

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2009/06/china-outlaws-use-of-virtual-currency-for-real-world-items/

And insidiously totalitarian States in the West have effectively outlawed them by forcing anyone who exchanges fiat for them to be registered money services businesses under the AML clauses in the asinine oxymoronically named Patriot Act.

So yes I agree virtual game currencies have shown promise but so far they lacked resiliency against the State (anonymity, decentralized exchanges, decentralized consensus that can't become centralized, decentralized scaling, etc).

IMHO, TPTB will always have the excuse to get their hands into the "next gen" tech of currency. Anonymity, decentralization etc can be achieved when -atleast- one of the cryptocurrencies you can buy/sell with the rest has those characteristics. -IF it's a free market, and that's a great IF- the people will always come around problems in order to get their job done. What will they have to face, in order to achieve it, is a whole different story...

So, in any case, those ideas are not dead; and frankly they won't be dead when at least one person has the ability and will to do otherwise. It has happened before many times throughout history. I think, there's no reason at all for not happening again in cryptoworld.

If you look at designer drugs, you will see the blueprint. Every time the government has one controlled, the labs (always a few moves ahead) just release the next one. One coin to rule them all is about a good a plan as one drug to rule them all. Let the mother fucker burn--survival doesn't belong to the strongest (network), the fastest (confirmation-time) or the smartest (contracts), it belongs to the most adaptable.
3152  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 16, 2015, 06:42:06 AM

Follow up:

Gold simply does not back anything any more because it no longer correlates to the intangible knowledge that is valuable in an era where knowledge moves the economy.

Semi-/precious metals and stones (e.g., rose, white, and yellow gold and diamonds) are "standard[ѕ] of [metallurgical and geological, respectively] beauty," and beautifulness is "intangible knowledge" (TPTB_need_war) (i.e., knowledge).

A miniscule (and shriveling in terms of relative growth) portion of the intangible knowledge economy.

Relative size is an important concept in economics, as well as scalability and relative rates of growth.

And that 'beauty' attribute is not the attribute that historically imparted most of the value to gold. Rather gold was a more rare, compact, fungible, durable physical representation of physical value in a physical economy where trade of physical objects was the major aspect of the economy. It was like packing a bunch of land into a compact, transportable form. Whereas if you review my essay linked from the opening post of this thread, I argue that knowledge creation is accretive, spontaneous, and the property of the creator, thus it can't be tied to money or physical value. Knowledge creation is like an end-to-end principled network in that middle men (Theory of the Firm) can only obstruct it.

ATM CryptoKingdom gold may make more sense than actual gold. VR worlds are on the rise as the physical world can't hide its costs in blood, sweat and tears. Some woman dangles a diamond in front of me and all I see is a CIA propped warlord, death squads and Nicholas Cage asking, "How do we arm the other 11?"
3153  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Promotions - Twitter. Now crowdsourcing content! on: August 16, 2015, 06:31:56 AM
Listening to Smooth and keeping it on track. Why not a "Why does privacy matter to you?" Twitter promotion?

In 140 characters or less:

Privacy matters to me because my account balance
is between me, my account, and the government
I'm paying to mind their own business.
3154  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - 0.8.8.6 on: August 16, 2015, 06:07:34 AM
Are there any plans for someone to pick up where Roosmaa left off with Trezor support?
3155  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Promotions - Twitter. Now crowdsourcing content! on: August 16, 2015, 05:42:41 AM
Cmon, it's the altcoin board, where we only discuss Monero and Bitcoin-XT. If you can't handle the heat, then get out of Saudi Arabia  Tongue

I want the coin to do well myself, but this is not going to make it happen Tongue Focus on getting me a GUI wallet instead.
Oh shit XMR doesn't have a GUI wallet? That is nuts that should definitely be priority number one or at least done before even launching the coin, no wonder it isn't doing better.

Just imagine how good it will do when it has the official enterprise level GUI on top of the community built GUIs already available.  Smiley
3156  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XMR/AEON Developer Smooth Investigation on: August 15, 2015, 09:11:00 AM
I wanna be on smooth's full time FUD team.  He helped me out with some key technical issues I was having and I owe him one.  
  
Is there like an internship, or what?

Lots of hazing. Lots of co-eds. Lots of pin the gold on the donkey.  Grin
3157  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: XMR/AEON Developer Smooth Investigation on: August 15, 2015, 07:18:42 AM
This thread is ridiculous for being 20 pages. There is nothing wrong with a dev bringing attention to scams in other coins. Who is more qualified to do that then a dev?

I think OP has a point. It is probably better to use sock puppets like most of the other coin devs do.

It provides an outlet for disappointed greater-fool-speculators to vent at the perceived cause of their (well-deserved) misfortune. If they knew themselves better, they'd be thanking you for the service.  Wink
3158  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 15, 2015, 07:00:41 AM


Quote from: Eric Schwitzgebel, Alan T. Moore; Abstract; "Experimental Evidence for the Existence of an External World"; 2014
In the first experiment, I exhibit unreliable judgment about the primeness or divisibility of four-digit numbers, in contrast to a seeming Excel program. In the second experiment, I exhibit an imperfect memory for arbitrary-seeming three-digit number and letter combinations, in contrast to my seeming collaborator with seemingly hidden notes. In the third experiment, I seem to suffer repeated defeats at chess. In all three experiments, the most straightforward interpretation of the experiential evidence is that something exists in the universe that is superior in the relevant respects – theoretical reasoning (about primes), memorial retention (for digits and letters), or practical reasoning (at chess) – to my own solipsistically-conceived self.

Schwitzgebel and Moore presume the memories referenced in the citation above to be veridical. (Essentially, they neglect the assertion of Russell's Five Minute World Hypothesis within their specious present.)


For philosophical hyperrealism: "Ex nihilo nihil fit; therefore, the real (here, undefinable [think: epistemological NaN]) begets the specious present."

Thanks for replying to what wasn't cited. Convolutions wrapped in self-diagnosing enigmas. But you do not exist, you are an annoying figment of my imagination which is God's since I am the alpha and omega of reality--thanks for confirming my omnipotence. Back to ignore for you sad delusion.

Note: I see usernameunoriginal is posting after I told him I put him ignore. The reason i disengage from reductionist is the same reason some dogs don't chase their own tail. If I can't realize that it is my own (and it's not my first time chasing tails) I'm just going to exhaust my energy running in circles. And if i realize that is my own, what's the point? Either way I save time and energy better used elsewhere. When he's caught his tail, someone let me know and i'll take him off ignore again. Wink
3159  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Totalitarianism on: August 15, 2015, 05:34:16 AM
Philosophical hyperrealism is a contrapositive of epistemological nihilism: epistemological nihilism asserts "no [extant] thing is knowable"; philosophical hyperrealism asserts "[every extant thing] is unknowable."

Dualism is I think the more accurate term similar to the concept of covariance vs. contravariance in the Liskov Substitution Principle or inductive vs. co-inductive structures in math and logic.

For example in Haskell, the top of all of the types is _|_ (Bottom, i.e. it is all types simultaneously!) whereas in most computer languages the top of all types is Any (it can be any type), i.e. when you cast to (void *) in C.

To express infinity in an inductive representation, you have a starting point and you enumerate an inductive operation from each point to create another point, e.g. the natural numbers are the recurrence relation:

nat = nat + 0

To express infinity in a co-inductive representation, there is an unknown ending point (that is never reached) and a function to return another point of the series. For example streams in computer science are co-inductive. You open a handle to the I/O streams and read input from it until you receive an EOF (end of file).

We hyperrealists say that we can have things, but we don't assert that we have complete control over them and we view the world as an inductive conjunction of global and local entropy. You nihilists say that we don't have any things.

So this is why you think all our efforts are in vain. But I hope you've just realized that it is just a dualism and thus you are neither more correct than we are (and vice versa). And thus the debate between you and RealBitcoin in the Economic Devastation thread about the importance of property rights.



Interesting read on reality:

darkecologies.com/2015/08/12/stanislaw-lems-proof-of-an-independent-reality/
3160  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: August 14, 2015, 07:25:39 PM
i am the only guy that think monero is pretty overbought at the moment?

No, you're not the only one.

mrkavaski too

lol
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