Details....details....  It is not like anyone is actually going to report them to the FCC! Yeah, it must be sheer coincidence that PayPal has contacted customers asking whether they've received their BFL orders and that BFL is suddenly going to issue automatic refunds to customers who don't confirm their pre-orders...right? Who knows why it happens?  In either case, one more win for the customers of Paypal. |
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ETA of Avalons July 30 by most hands. Maybe.
That would piss me the fuck off! They would be useless by then....ugh ESPECIALLY of BFL ships everything Don't worry. BFL will probably screw shipping or something. They can't ship that fast. Bowjob; Remember how these were priced? the formula? Batch III is going to look like crap compared to what it was pitched as. Could be more than double the difficulty. What was the formula again? I am going to buy a couple of Avalons and need to know how much for each. |
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All that jumbo and no delivery date or daily # of units shipping
and asking you to agree to new specs without giving detail of said specs..
http://bfl.ptz.ro/ |
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I did my part in warning people just in case the worst is about to spring up on them. I can sleep pretty well tonight about that little bit.
You are my hero. So noble and stuff. When are you going outside with a cardboard box asking people to buckle up? That is why I am a Master BFL Shill. (in disguise) (Master BFL Shill) You say that like an insult? Come one you can do better than that. Bring up my join date again. I love all my BFL children. You are not my favorite, but certainly not my least favorite. By the way, please buy more. Then my opinion might change. My love is directly proportional to your investment in BFL. (Master BFL Shill) |
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Just in time, a mail from BitSyncom arrived: Lots things to update.
1. We are currently investigating on the three or so shipments that have shown up badly damaged to the customers. They do no appear to be simple delivery damage: they are not dents but some corners of some of the units have been snapped off. It takes a great amount of force to snap 3mm aluminum that's been bolted down with 0.9mm screws in a box with foam padding. We are not ruling out the possibility of sabotage.
In future, when receiving an Avalon package, if there is any rattling sound coming from inside, open the package in front of DHL/EMS and inspect the inside, if there is damage immediately return the package to the sender. The receiver must submit the complaint so us, the shipper can receive this information from DHL/EMS and we can investigate.
Do not worry, even if DHL/EMS does not compensate for the damages, once you send the damaged unit back, we will send you a replacement free of charge.
2. Our new SMT equipment has arrived, it is expected to be tweaked and fully functional by the second week of May. Expect an updated gallery of our facility soon.[b] In the mean time we are going to send out ~20 units[/b] through our new shipping channels and test the waters. [b]We expect to go full throttle once the new SMT line comes online.[/b]
3. We also recently released a new firmware that is our most stabled version yet, it also increases the performance by about 2Gh/s and lowers idle power consumption, see the wiki for full details. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon#20130419
[b]p.s. few people in the Avalon team is sick, so we are moving rather slow at the moment[/b]. How often did we read that from avalon team now ? They wanted to be "full throttle" how many times now ? 10 ? 20 ? Batch 3 should already be kinda "shipped" ?! We should make a new sub-forum "troll the asic companys"... Last I heard they are shipping out Batch 2 and 3 at almost the same time with the new high speed machinery. What is your complaint again? BFL probably can't even use the (really slow) SMT machines they bought. |
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I did my part in warning people just in case the worst is about to spring up on them. I can sleep pretty well tonight about that little bit.
You are my hero. So noble and stuff. When are you going outside with a cardboard box asking people to buckle up? That is why I am a Master BFL Shill. (in disguise) (Master BFL Shill) |
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FINALLY. Only been waiting since 9/2012.
No, your Jalapeno is not on it's way. BFL just sent you a nice letter with lots of yadda yadda. The interesting part is this here: "Please be advised that [1]due to the adjustments described above, we need your confirmation prior to release of your order into the final build queue and on to final delivery. It may also be a good time to [2]review your purchase altogether relative to the bitcoin market as this is the last opportunity to do so. If your order is not confirmed, it will be canceled and your money will be refunded. " They did this because of legal reasons - to be on the save side: [1] They screwed up power and performance, so they want to get your OK. [2] They screwed up shipment dates - and know that it will take a long, long time before your units will be shipped - and difficulty will have sky rocketed and you only make a fraction of the Bitcoins that you would have made had BFL shipped on time. They want to get your OK for that too. Basically it's like a blank check for BFL: "OK we screwed up big time but you have to sign here XXX and confirm that this is still OK with you". Not that some of you guys come up with the idea of suing them ...  Wake up, people! They're doing this not because they are such a customer-friendly company - they are doing this for a reason.Bingo, It appears Frizz is astute (and logical) enough to figure that out instantly. |
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PuertoLibre - I have an important question for you:
Do you have the red font, green font, large text, bold and underline buttons hotkeyed, if so - how do you do this because I feel like a bitcointalk amateur without this rapid ability when I post.
Will
Simply highlight the text you want to change and tap the buttons at the top. The original highlighted part will assume any particulars in the formatting bar above. When you want to modify any other text segment simply highlight that instead. |
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Peurto --
Your assertion seemed to be that they are dependent on new orders for continuing operation. I seem to recall you mentioning it was the return of funds that was giving the illusion of strength. If they stopped honoring refunds, this illusion would be broken, and the pre-order stream would dry up. I don't see how they are able to stop refunds (no matter how much they state, "all sales are final"). I can't make any assumptions on this, my friend. Keep this in mind: Does your (or anyones) assumption about what is "the right thing to do" have any bearing on what BFL will "actually" do? No? Then...? What happens in a customers head is totally independent of what happens at BFL. Customers always complain because they assume things that aren't actual. When a companies actual policy (or change in policy) contradicts what they thought should happen, they get very upset. They always lose. So I am warning people to do their checks so they don't have to feel that way. Nothing more. Better safe and informed than "sorry". I got my refund a month or so ago, as it was clear they are going to be shipping into the difficulty high tide generated from Avalon and AsicMiner. But had I been a believer, I don't think I would have any issues with confirming my order at this point. If they stopped honoring refunds now, it would be give a very strong signal that they are not capable of delivering (something they are obviously trying to avoid).
I do find the timing of this campaign odd given that they just had the bad news about the unusable chip wafer.
I unfortunately assume the worst when it comes to BFL. I did my part in warning people just in case the worst is about to spring up on them. I can sleep pretty well tonight about that little bit. |
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Well folks, you have a choice.
Don't sweat it and do as ocminer says...don't ask questions, just tap that button like a numbskull.
Or do it like I have told you. Make sure they will still honor the refunds in an official statement without restrictions. Then feel free to tap the confirm button.
It's not like I am asking people to do anything super prudent....
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This is fairly straightforward. They promised  but they are delivering  So they need permission to do the switch. If they actually deliver the hash power, I don't think anyone will care the form factor changed. Power consumption is disappointing, but at the current exchange rate and network hash power it is a non-issue. This is actually a sign from BFL that they are acting in a professional fashion to inform their user base. People are ready to assume that if they do accept, they will still have the option to refund. As a sensible customer, they need to realize that once they accept a change of hardware, they also give consent. If people are relying on the refund window still being there without asking BFL: "Hey, if I tap confirm, can I still refund at any time?"Then they are asking for it to blow up in their face. BFL had little leeway in not giving customers their refund. They are obligated to do so as they have failed to deliver. Now that customers are being queried if they accept the changes, and indicate they still want their order ...they are giving consent. Thereby reducing their position in asking for a refund. People need to wise up and ask BFL (in writing through official statement and official channels) if they will still honor refunds requests after tapping "Confirm Order". If you don't then, don't be at all surprised if BFL throws back at you the fact that you confirmed your order as a reason to deny any future refunds. You gave consent as of....May 1st 2013 to "changes" and the "status of an order". They also shipped, which means they don't have to offer you a refund anymore. This is called Disarming the Merchant [from future excuses] and making sure you know what you are getting yourself into. ASK questions, that is all I am telling BFL customers to do. Then, tap Confirm. Don't tap confirm like idiots on a whim or an impulse. |
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Final confirmation is required
Please be advised that due to the adjustments described above, we need your confirmation prior to release of your order into the final build queue and on to final delivery. It may also be a good time to review your purchase altogether relative to the bitcoin market as this is the last opportunity to do so. If your order is not confirmed, it will be canceled and your money will be refunded.
Thank you for your support and we wish you great satisfaction with your product!
Uh oh, Watch out folks! This is part of the legal process of shipping something that is not perfectly conforming to what you originally purchased. The above is asking you NOT IF you want to confirm your order....BUT IF you want your order as it has been "redesigned". If you say no, you don't get your order but a refund instead. If you say yes, then you get whatever they have redesigned. So the first logical step is to ask what the changes will be! The other part of what this email is trying to obscure is the fact that if you AGREE, you lose your ability to refund. You the customer have been queried if you accept the changes, and as such, you lose your refund ability due to changes or any conformance differences. So think before you tap "OK". Ask questions now! Then click.-------------------- Very slick BFL. Very Slick. Eh ... I might be new to BTC, but AFAIK the preorders were also not subject to refunds, still they have done refunds. That you don't have explicit rights for refunds does not mean that it cannot happen. My guess is that this is about the power usage and casing that is different than announced when they launched the preorders. Offc you don't have to think about this as you never ordered or have cancelled your order long ago. Assume absolutely nothing. You assumptions are not enforceable and they may not be realized by BFL. GET IT IN WRITING. DO NOT ASSUME what you don't know with absolute certainty. |
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Final confirmation is required
Please be advised that due to the adjustments described above, we need your confirmation prior to release of your order into the final build queue and on to final delivery. It may also be a good time to review your purchase altogether relative to the bitcoin market as this is the last opportunity to do so. If your order is not confirmed, it will be canceled and your money will be refunded.
Thank you for your support and we wish you great satisfaction with your product!
Uh oh, Watch out folks! This is part of the legal process of shipping something that is not perfectly conforming to what you originally purchased. The above is asking you NOT IF you want to confirm your order....BUT IF you want your order as it has been "redesigned". If you say no, you don't get your order but a refund instead. If you say yes, then you get whatever they have redesigned. So the first logical step is to ask what the changes will be!The other part of what this email is trying to obscure is the fact that if you AGREE, you lose your ability to refund [for said changes]. You the customer have been queried if you accept the changes, and as such, you lose your refund ability due to changes or any conformance differences. So think before you tap "OK". Ask questions now! Then click.-------------------- Very slick BFL. Very Slick. ALSO, PLEASE....ask what the time frame for delivery will be. Get it in writing!This may be a scheme to get you to give your consent without telling you (or giving you) any indication of how long it will be before you receive your order. You are signing on the electronic line that you accept any changes. THINK before you ACT. ASK QUESTIONS FIRST! Get assurances on timeline for delivery. ASK if Refunds will still be HONORED. Don't walk into it blindly like sheeple. |
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Final confirmation is required
Please be advised that due to the adjustments described above, we need your confirmation prior to release of your order into the final build queue and on to final delivery. It may also be a good time to review your purchase altogether relative to the bitcoin market as this is the last opportunity to do so. If your order is not confirmed, it will be canceled and your money will be refunded.
Thank you for your support and we wish you great satisfaction with your product!
Uh oh, Watch out folks! This is part of the legal process of shipping something that is not perfectly conforming to what you originally purchased. The above is asking you NOT IF you want to confirm your order....BUT IF you want your order as it has been "redesigned". If you say no, you don't get your order but a refund instead. If you say yes, then you get whatever they have redesigned. So the first logical step is to ask what the changes will be! The other part of what this email is trying to obscure is the fact that if you AGREE, you lose your ability to refund. You the customer have been queried if you accept the changes, and as such, you lose your refund ability due to changes or any conformance differences. So think before you tap "OK". Ask questions now! Then click.-------------------- Very slick BFL. Very Slick. |
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IF they were mining with the chips, they wouldn't be so stupid to do it on their own pools or under their own names.
Is it possible to see/track the origins of blocks generated by looking at BlockChain.info? There was a guy a day or two ago on BFL forums and Reddit claiming that he saw a ton of Blocks coming from Kansas. The accusation coming from the guy on Reddit was that it was BFL using mining hardware. You can use this site to look at the last 2000+ blocks found: http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/blocklist.phpFind the ones that were found by an "unkown" entity. Click on the blockchain link to see the information of that block located on the far right. It says what IP address found that block on that page on blockchain.info "relayed by: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx". Then you would need to proceed to look up where that IP is located at a web site like this one: http://www.iplocation.net/Oooohh, Thanks. I have the perfect software to sort through this. Will start chewing on it to see what I find. |
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IF they were mining with the chips, they wouldn't be so stupid to do it on their own pools or under their own names.
Is it possible to see/track the origins of blocks generated by looking at BlockChain.info? There was a guy a day or two ago on BFL forums and Reddit claiming that he saw a ton of Blocks coming from Kansas. The accusation coming from the guy on Reddit was that it was BFL using mining hardware. Edit: Found link, seems BFL deleted the thread?: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c1jqd/butterfly_labs_may_be_scamming_us_all/ |
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Does Eligius (Josh's pool) show stats so we can look over the High Hash Rate users?
You mean Eclipse. https://eclipsemc.com/graphs/historical_rate.php+1 TH/s in the past month. But if Josh has half a brain, he'll be mining solo where you can't track him. Looking it over right now. Well, I must say, the guy might have no skill in bringing ASICs to market. But at least he knows how to make a nice looking pool. |
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How in the world do you lose 5,000 ASIC chips? They only shipped 15 Jalepeno's (prototypes)....
Are you sure Josh didn't use the majority of it for his own orders?
Where else do you think the recent network hashrate increase came from? Does Eligius (Josh's pool) show stats so we can look over the High Hash Rate users? Isn't Eligius Lukejr's pool??? Eclipse is Josh's pool Haven't SEEN an absurd increase there....yet  Shit, your right. But since they are both linked, lets check them both. (By the way, I was impressed by glimpsing Eligius pool. It looked very nice.) |
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Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.
Respect is earned and not bought, if someone behaves like an idiot I expect them to be treated like an idiot independent of the size of their wallet. This is pretty much the long and short of it. If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response. Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve. Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples. Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return. In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful. The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former. On my tenth post in dealing with Inaba he threatened to hold a restraining order against me (on bogus trumped up charges). This was to keep me from ever referring any statements to BFL, Himself and/or keep me from interacting with the forum. He stated that my daughter and family might be incarcerated or financially held liable. This was because I dispatched an email and complained to BFL that his behavior was "unacceptable" and he was costing them money. He (Josh) in turn intercepted the emails and then stole my private information contained within the complaint. He then addressed me to de-escalate my interactions in PM. Which I then sent the PM to TheyMos (Site Admin). TheyMos then agreed that Josh was....I don't recall the wording exactly...but something akin to an asshole. He thought I should post it publicly. Josh (in the midst of his threatening PM) asked me not to reveal the PM at that time. I told Josh that he could not prevent me from bringing my complaint to BFL (his employers). Since then he and I have never gotten along. Since then he and I have been cats and dogs. ----------------------- For months now, Inaba has been spreading all kinds of baloney. If you believe him, without actually looking into his claims, then you deserve to be duped. Do you homework first and read up, then make your decision. If it hasn't become pretty obvious by now, he has a pretty low standing in the community due to....all sorts of things. The only reason why people even treat him amicably is because he has others pre-order money and probably because they REALLY (I mean REALLY) want the e-money printing machine. (Jalapeno, Little Single, Single, MiniRig) If it weren't for their pre-order money and a hopeful promise, I doubt most customers would tolerate Josh/Inaba for any length of time. ---------------------- I personally think Josh knows this, so that is why he is such an asshole. He doesn't have to be nice. Not to customers or even to prospective customers. He knows people will lose their pre-order if they lose their cool. So they don't and bite their lip. They are willful "hostages" as another BFL customer mentioned in his "quiet rage" at Inabas/Josh postings and surreal attitude. Keep in mind what you getting into before you send funds to BFL. That is all. Read up on the past, then with that information you will make your own informed decisions. |
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