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3141  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Iran legalizes mining on: July 23, 2019, 06:37:24 PM
Just think what a great decision Iran made. Having legalized mining, the country has created best conditions for large miners, because now it is safe for them. Perhaps the electricity fee will not be the most profitable but the police will never break your home to arrest mining farm

What is your opinion about that?


https://cointelegraph.com/news/iran-finalizes-electricity-pricing-scheme-for-cryptocurrency-miners

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While Ha’eri did not elaborate on the exact price scheme, he stated that the price is dependent on market factors such as fuel prices in the Persian Gulf.

The head of Iran Electrical Industry Syndicate, Ali Bakhshi, previously proposed a price of $0.07 per kilowatt hour for cryptocurrency miners. Electricity in Iran is currently very cheap due to government subsidies; one kilowatt hour of electricity currently costs $0.05, with power being cheaper in the agricultural and industrial sectors.

To put these prices in context, Mostafa Rajabi Mashhadi, the Energy Ministry spokesman for the power department, previously stated that the production of a single Bitcoin (BTC) uses about $1,400 in state subsidies.

Actually more bad news than good.

The reason mining was so profitable their cheap subsidize electricity.
That is over , rate will be at least .07 per kilowatt and most likely higher and a tariff charged on all imported ASICS.
Don't forget , nothing stops them from later outlawing it and then seizing the ASICS for their own use.

This also increases the possibility that the US will Ban Bitcoin like they did the Petro.
All it takes is one executive order from Trump and Bitcoin is FUBAR.

Petro is centralized an thus easy to block and shutdown. All you have to do is block access to the single server, or make something happen to the single data center where its few (private) nodes reside. Absolute garbage.

On the opposite you cannot block Bitcoin, there is no single point of failure. If a country like Iran wants to evade US sanctions, all they have to do is use any decent crypto, such as Bitcoin and not bother with centralized garbage.

Besides Venezuela is having enough trouble managing to keep the lights on, yesterday we had yet another nationwide blackout of over 12 hours, and again the "evil Americans" with their "electromagnetic pulse weapon" are to blame (again).
3142  Other / Meta / Re: why are more posts deleted in this few days? on: July 23, 2019, 06:21:23 PM

I agree this should go to meta, and i also agree that message deletion in this forum is way too common. The worst offending part, is that there are zero explanations, its like random entropy that might hit you at random for no apparent reason and you have to live with it like a part of life...
3143  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Proxy for antminer s9j on: July 23, 2019, 06:06:22 PM
I need some method that My ISP (Internet Service Provider)  doesn't find my location of usage their internet ? there is n't any method ?! Sad

I just told you to use Tor... Set up a router with tor and have your LAN use that, or a vpn or whatever you like. Your ISP can tell you are using Tor, but they can't tell what for... In countries like China they can visit you if they want to inspect your suspicious encrypted activity, so in there you have to disguise it even more.

It should be possible with a couple of S9s, but not 200...
3144  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: SSH Unlock for antminer s9 firmware, anyone interested? on: July 23, 2019, 05:35:45 PM
Freedom. You only remember it when you want to do something outside of the norm, but then its too late, because you foolishly committed to them. I can simply counter your argument, there is nothing the Bitmain firmware can do that Braiins OS can't do much better, AND you keep full control of your device...

Just because they made the chips doesn't mean they are the best to use them. There are countless examples in history, but i would mention: Atari, Activision and the Stella graphics chip (hint: The rainbow). We could go over all 40 years of personal computing history, and this history only repeats itself.

You would have never gotten that "multi-option" menu without bOS.
3145  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: You can't prove if someone is Holding Bitcoins | Indian Crypto Ban on: July 23, 2019, 05:23:44 PM
According to a recent bill's draft:
"India has proposed a jail term of one to ten years for those who mine, hold or sell cryptocurrencies."

I was wondering how someone could say that 'A' is holding 'X' amount of bitcoins in his address 'Y'.
What if the person generated the wallet and learned the passphrase leaving behind no physical evidence of the ownership of the address. At that point, it would just be an address with a balance on the blockchain ledger.
Or if he just made the backup of private keys on a paper and destroyed it upon inspection (having a backup somewhere else). How is the government going to track down who's holding at what address? That's just stupid.

Similarly, they can't impose a ban on mining as it is just a computer software and blockchain protocol cannot be blocked by the government.

What do you think? Would the govt. be able to catch someone who violates this?

By being careless, yes they can. If you are careful, and never reveal it to anyone, and use tor in your spv (ie. Electrum) wallet, they can never tell.

Mining is quite easy to detect and block unless you go with something like tor for that as well.

As for keeping the seed words safe, you could steno-graph them. By, say, taking some book and mark the words with a little mark or such. Possibilities are endless in how to hide 12 words in plain sight.

Most likely those caught would be because they revealed it online, and have ties online that link your username to your real name.

It is not easy to make a brand new online virtual identity completely untied to the real you, but it is possible. I would recommend the use of something like Tails for starters. Boot that from a dvd, and when you finish turn the pc off and its all gone. No traces in that pc.

This is not just India, but any of the other 15 countries that "ban" bitcoin. Don't let your guard down even if the authorities are inept and corrupt.
3146  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A logo for Satoshis, the smallest unit of a bitcoin. on: July 22, 2019, 07:20:53 PM
My country's garbage fiat is already 1:1 with the satoshi so you could temporarily call them bolivar... (it won't last long, at current hyperinflation rates).

1 satoshi is always 0.00000001 BTC.

Over here 5 million satoshis would buy a 4k display, this can be simply expressed as:

0.05000000 BTC but obviously convention dictates the zeroes to the right are redundant, so the TV is just 0.05 BTC. or. 5 million satoshis.

Those who think expressing in satoshis is hard, is people who have never lived under inflation. Expressing things in thousands, millions, or hundreds of millions is how i remember prices for more than half of my adult life. Given that the moronic government keeps removing zeroes and remaking the banknotes, Zimbabwe style as if that would stop anything (and we are headed to the same result, already people are setting prices in USD albeit that's technically forbidden. But you know how it is between politicians and reality...

In theory the word "cent" already is telling you 100 (remember per-cent)?

Then what is a satoshi?

1 BTC is 1.00000000 or 100 000 000 that is 100 million satoshis. Therefore a centimillion (a hundred million part of a Bitcoin).

This also happens to be 10 nanos using SI nomenclature. Maybe you could also say hectomega (100 million) satoshis

Instead of cent you could say cenmil, or centimillion. Perhaps something resembling a ˘ᴍ or ᴄᴍ squeezed to be a single char size, with a vertical stripe.
3147  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is Bitcoin so valuable just because it was first? on: July 22, 2019, 06:08:57 PM
I have thought about this a lot, especially more recently as I question why I'm using Bitcoin. Since cryptocurrency began, there have been so many new and improved versions of the "Bitcoin blockchain", one of the most notable probably being Ethereum.

It's always painful to use Bitcoin in comparison with sometimes up to $5 transaction fees for sending even $10, not to mention the amount of time transactions take. It kind of feels like Bitcoin is a sinking ship in some ways, because of the increasing problems that occur with a blockchain system. However, this doesn't seem to faze many, as the price keeps rising again and hitting new records.

My ultimate question is: "Is Bitcoin so valuable just because it was first?" As technology progresses it's inevitable that new and better ways of doing things will be discovered. But is it really about just being first in today's world? What are your guy's thoughts on this? Do you think there will be a breaking point aka, amount of inconveniences people will put up with before moving on?

Bitcoin was the first one that did it real good. It could be improved, but it was good enough for many issues, thats where its value comes from.

Other forms of digital money existed before, but they weren't as secure, or were centrally tied (meaning weak); or were simply to cumbersome to use.

Bitcoin fee is often a mixture of misunderstanding and, in my opinion, bad wallet design. You see, for most situation you are fine with the lowest fee, regardless. Can you wait like one day? Then don't bother paying more than 1 Sat/B. But in many wallets this is either unavailable or quite hidden.

Being able to buy that cup of coffee instantly would mean perfection, but is not necessary to be useful. And yet off chain solutions are filling that void anyway, or you could be a bit more old fashioned and carry some spare change in some altcoin for these. Thanks to segwit the same thing people think to do with LN, could be in theory be done with say, Litecoin. That's because they can be exchanged directly now without going to an exchange, going straight from wallet to wallet. All that's needed is wallets that would do it...

Or if the world ls pleased with LN, then so be it. Only small quick transactions would need that anyway.

Being the first successful gave it a lot of value. and being alive after a decade (where several others have perished) has proven it to the markets.
3148  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: 2019: Which coin is the most profitable? on: July 22, 2019, 05:25:53 PM
I am looking for advice. Which coin is the most profitable in 2019

Given the profitability lifetime of several altcoins, which could be measured in seconds sometimes, your question is rather pointless. Other coins might be less "profitable", but can hold their value longer. And very few can actually keep increasing their value, if slower every year, 10 or so.

2019 is simply too long a lifespan to give you an answer. Its like asking whats the best smartphone in 2019, when a few months can make a difference. Now imagine it when a few seconds can make a difference...

Sure, once its over you could come and say: coin xyz was the most profitable in 2019, all the 3 seconds its pump lasted before getting dumped into oblivion...

Can you dare ask the same about the past decade? The answer is obvious: Bitcoin.
3149  Economy / Speculation / Re: BITCOIN Will hit 1 Million $$$ ? What do you think ? on: July 22, 2019, 05:15:55 PM
Or, given that 1 BTC is actually composed of 100 000 000 satoshis, meaning nearly 2 100 000 000 000 000 satoshis in total, but unrelated to your outrageous price i already answered to in the other thread, it basically means that, no, it isn't getting to that price.

Either way there is a cap. Yes, 21 million sounds scarcer than 2 quadrillion*, but the net effect is the same. It is a deflationary currency surrounded by a world of inflationary money.

*Quadrillion in the short scale used by Americans and many English speaking countries. Its actually just 21 hundred billion in the long scale used in many more countries...
3150  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs Gold? Which one you would choose to invest for long term? Why ? on: July 22, 2019, 05:03:10 PM
We all have different  prospective regarding the investment , be it long term or short term.

 Bitcoin has been the most amazing invention and has given massive return of investment for those who joined from 2013. From low point in 2013 to 20k in 2017, it has gone from one end to another end. Right now today its trading at $10461 per bitcoin. The prediction is with just 21 million maximum supply it will reach 1 million bucks per coin one day.

Gold has been one of the most popular investment for centuries. Every country or government be it in the past or present always prefer gold reserve over their own currency even to prepare themselves for financial meltdown. Right now GOLD is being traded at $1425/oz.

So my question is which one you would chose for your investment ? Which one you would chose to outperform the other ? GOLD or BITCOIN? Please tell us with a reason why ?

Thanks everyone for taking part in this discussion.

You know its far more easier to hide your bitcoin stash (a single piece of paper with a bunch of words written by hand) than a gold stash. You see, that piece of paper can literally hold billions of dollars (or a few cents).

I personally do not think that outrageous price you mention will be reached (unless USD collapses), so forget the get rich quick scheme, that only worked for the early investors, the later ones can make some money but are destined to never reach those gains. But, if you happen to have a bunch of gold lying around, you can actually trade it all for bitcoin and save a lot in the process. No more vault/bank renting, or hiring security guards, etc...

The mere existence of bitcoin might press against the gold price. I think at some point you will see some people selling their metals to go into Bitcoin, once they learn Bitcoin's benefits.

Think again. Your many stories high fortune can take the same space than 1˘: a piece of paper with a bunch of written words by hand... And if you are clever, you can even steno-graph those in some book or so...

There is probably going to be a new type of millionaire that remains hidden in plain view, someone who never works but doesn't appear to be in financial trouble either, ever. If the person is disciplined (no stupid "rich" life), he/she can spend the rest of their lives in complete anonymity.
3151  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In 10 years from now a quantum computer on: July 22, 2019, 04:46:54 PM
In 10 years from now a quantum computer will have sufficient computation power to give a 51% attack on the bitcoin network.

Please discuss.

In 10 years Bitcoin+blockchain:
1.Won't exist.
2.Will improve to a level,in which quantum computers won't be a threat,they could even help. Grin
Let's hope that the second option will happen.
This topic has been discussed 100 times before,so it's pointless to ask the same questions again and again.

No, albeit Bitcoin can be improved to be even more resistant, it is of my knowledge that Bitcoin right now is safe, IF people stick to using Bitcoin addresses ONCE, and only ONCE.

Once the proposed soft fork or whatever gets passed, then even this won't be as critical, but as it has always been since the beginning, if you want to be safe, use your Bitcoin address only once, then move on to the next one.

This is unrelated to the 51% attack, that doesn't even need to break the encryption, or use quantum computing.
3152  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will the price of BTC stabilize at around $10,000?🧐🧐 on: July 22, 2019, 04:39:02 PM
Will the price of BTC stabilize at around $10,000?🧐🧐

Bitcoin can never stabilize at any price. Bitcoin isn't inflating its price by arbitrarily producing more so it can reach a 2% yearly inflation quota, which is what they do to the USD and other fiat currencies.

When bitcoin matures it will oscillate less, but it will still keep going the opposite direction than fiat money. Its not bitcoin's fault, that the current world monetary policy induces inflation.
3153  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price, am I right? on: July 22, 2019, 04:32:26 PM
I’m new to crypto world, still learning and there’re lots of things I couldn’t understand yet. Following is one of that,

It’s saying something like the Bitcoin price decides by the demand. As I was understood, when more people buy Bitcoins, the Bitcoin price rises and wise versa.

Before asking the next part of the question, I need to know that, is what I was understood right?

This is a basic rule of everything actually. It is the famous Supply and Demand model. Basically yes, this affects bitcoin price, but as any other commodity in the market, other factors can also influence its price.

On a long term basis, the price will tend to go up, but it should go up slower and slower as the years and decades pass. This is because the thing people use to compare value loses value yearly by (foolish) anti-deflation policies of countries who just can't bother to read the Austrian economists and are scared of deflation, which Bitcoin is designed to be.

So all things equal (say in 100 years), if you then always moved all your money into Bitcoin, it would "earn" 2%, but that is actually everyone else inflating at least 2%.

Think of it as if you today moved all your money into gold, and only at the moment you were to buy something, changed only the minimal amount needed to purchase things (because the shop won't take your grams of gold directly). Of course real gold is a hassle to deal with. Bitcoin actually makes things easier.

I guess Digital Gold is an ok analogy.
3154  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Affected by bitcoin Copy paste address on: July 22, 2019, 03:34:25 PM
when i copy paste my bitcoin wallet address i get this address
18v8Uqjt9wvEXXGbDCh9bLk15qXkFGeYmX
i have tried different address but result is same. any help

In your situation my recommendation would be to boot from a secure linux media, a thumbdrive or dvd with a live distro such as (*)Tails. There install the wallet and recover it with your seed words. Then create a new wallet, write down those new seed words, and transfer all funds to it.

Turn off the pc and do whatever it is you want to do to fix your computer, such as malware scanning, or just wipe it all like others suggest. In the future, it would do you very good if you used a better OS in the first place, but even if you do having a live iso at hand is always a must.

Please people, stop ignoring these basic security steps. Don't do your money stuff with the same OS you use for pleasure. Even if you do run something decent like Linux as your daily desktop, booting from a live image would ensure no surprises. Especially important when handling (cold) paper wallets.

* The reason i tend to recommend Tails is because it comes configured to use Tor by default, of course you can do the same with any other distro.
3155  Other / Off-topic / Re: Which job would not be replaced by technology? on: July 22, 2019, 01:32:25 PM
So much progressed has been made in AI, Robotics, and science in general that more and more jobs are being threatened to be obsolete. I do not worry much about those as I am a believer that even though some jobs are going to be lost, new type of jobs would be created. However, which jobs do you think will never be replaced by an AI or a machine?

I believe that there is an irreplaceable job, it is the work of the mother, of the upbringing of a child since he is newborn,
 no matter how much they place a robot as a mother, they can never have a sixth sense that identifies what only a mother can detect of his son.

Watch this movie: I Am Mother (2019) Smiley
3156  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Review] Whatsminer M20S 65 TH on: July 22, 2019, 01:19:54 PM
a bit off-topic but still related.

when ordering from them, how are they keeping in touch? does communication exist? updates? delivery time respected?

Thank you

I don't think MicroBT does direct unless you speak Chinese and can do very large orders. I think people here use third parties such as Pangolin, and they do have a Telegram channel and some support people available.
3157  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Proxy for antminer s9j on: July 22, 2019, 01:10:22 PM
I don't think "a proxy" is going to help you with that, perhaps you are thinking vpn or such. Hiding yourself is not easy as you might think, perhaps you can achieve something using Tor.

In mining normally proxies are used for something completely different, such as consolidating all your hash rate to look like its coming from a single unit (or simply make less (but larger) connections to the pool).

Besides in hostile countries miners are usually caught by electricity consumption.
3158  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tim Draper Believes Bitcoin Will Change the Way We Live on: July 22, 2019, 12:44:58 PM
I don't really believe that bitcoin will change the way we live in 10 years, rather I believe that blockchain will do it! The way we are moving towards digitization, we will soon need a robust system which can't be altered by an influential person, blockchain is the only technology that is giving us hope for the same!

However, I don't think bitcoin is not going to be the reason for the change, but it can be a small catalyst towards the change only!

But for the average Joe, blockchain is invisible. "Oh they claim "thing" is safer now, great." At least bitcoin as a virtual currency has a bit more impact to the mind of end users, they are "using it" to pay with and be paid with.

Tim Draper is right, but one must not exaggerate. I think banks becoming optional can make life better, but only so much. Some people are actually desperate for others to handle their riches in exchange of fees, which can still be done with Bitcoin of course (just use an online wallet or exchange if you don't care).

Incidentally its the exact same way the Austrian School proposes to end fractional reserve banking, a bank with 100% reserve would actually charge you fees for storing your money, not the other way around... Unless you voluntarily want to lend it, and if that is so, your money would be unavailable during the time of the lend.

These things might seem annoying, but its the proof of a non fractional reserve system, which in turn makes a deflationary economy (based on real savings, as opposed to debt) thrive.

And if Bitcoin pushes the world away from Chicago economics into Austrian economics, you could in fact expect a (good) change in the way we live...
3159  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: Tuning antminer S9i/j/ lower power consumption. braiinsOS on: July 19, 2019, 12:17:28 AM
My 14.5TH s9i  by default running on 14.5TH and consume 1330W/h   at default frequency => 675Mhz and 8.6V
I  get  14.5TH    by changing voltage to 8.3  with power consumption 1230W/h   at default frequency => 675Mhz
It means that i save 9% of energy on 8.3 volt.  at lower voltage the hashboards needs more time to achieve their hashrates .

Actually it is good if they manage to achieve their ideal hashrates after a while. You shouldn't rush it. And remember to treat each hashboard differently, you will find some can take voltages that others can't. They are not identical.
3160  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin as a Form of Anarchy on: July 18, 2019, 11:32:01 PM
I'm curious to know why/how do you think today's technologies give the possibility to citizens to be part of an anarchist movement on 'a large scale'? Anarchism, Libertarian, whatever people call it, history showed we don't need technologies for this. Since this is a rather broad term, we could also consider the Amish as anarchists (they're great people btw). Don't need to have the same anarchist movement worldwide, different needs for different populations/histories/cultures...

Ok, how do you poll 100million people on an issue, or since they are the lawmakers, all the discussion involved? Now this can be done online in days.

Yes, it would have been technically possible to do it with snail mail in the span of months or years, but also prone to sabotage and fraud. Blockchain technology also happens to help secure it too...

Perhaps it would be more accurate to say: current technology helps facilitate a form of State-less government, where every citizen is the law maker and the decision maker, and provides justice. Unless you want to go down the slippery road of representatives, and rebuild a system with rulers and ruled again.

Of course, i'm also aware of some ideas involving AI, but i won't get in to that here. Just technology that facilitates (and secures) communication and decision making.
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