First, fiat system isn't a closed one. It means money is added in the system on a regular basis.
It used to be a closed system. It remained closed for centuries. There was a time, less than half a century ago, when you could exchange US$ for gold. Those were the good old days, where paper was backed by something real, long-lasting and shiny. Some politicians from the far-right regularly ask for a return to that convertibility. You need to remember. Paper is still backed by stuff. If you have enough paper, you can trade it in for just about anything that exists. Try it sometime. You might even be able to trade some paper in for a Burger King Whopper and fries.
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Imagine if you were raised a Christian, you felt you knew the truth and was very passionate about your beliefs. Then you find out most of the Beliefs of the Christian religion are based on older versions of Paganism, Astrology and other Secret Orders
... and then you found out that the truth was known to Adam and Eve and may of their descendants, and the pagan peoples corrupted it to the point that God couldn't take it, so He set Christianity in place to bring it back.
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The reason both Ron and Rand quit was because they both would audit the Fed, and then shut it down. This would mean their assassination, or at least assassination of family members, and they know it. The point? All there is that might not be assassinated are crooks, criminals and liars. Jury nullification bypasses almost all the government can do anyway. Study and promote it.
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Right down that poor eagle's back, just like he would do to the American people. We can live colorful lives without Bernie color-pissing down our backs.
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Atheists do not believe god and religion believe god So they hate religion.
I also do not believe in the tooth fairy, santa claus, unicorns, and pokemon... does that mean I hate all those too? How do you hate something you do not believe exists? Atheists know God/god exists. They know it because they set themselves up as gods by simply suggesting that God doesn't exists when they know that they don't know for sure that He doesn't. say what??!? where did you come up with that pearl of wisdom? i also simply suggest the easter bunny doesnt exist, does that set me up to be god too? Okay. Now, watch. snip The scientist atheists know that God exists. When they attempt to set themselves above Him by saying that He doesn't exist, they are setting themselves up as gods. Atheism is a self-contradictory ideology, and because of the way it exists, it is a religion. Now, if you don't read this through and think about it, why answer? Your answer will only be based on meaninglessness. speaking of meaninglessness.... my goodness, what a load of bollocks That's one of the major reasons scientists are looking for spontaneous evolution and spontaneous whatever else. It isn't only because they are interested in anything and everything. The real reason is that they are trying as hard as they can to prove that God doesn't exist. The have ignored Him completely within themselves. Now they are looking for the proof they need to make their ignoring absolute. The funny thing is, that since they haven't been able to find any proof against God, they are starting to say that their theories are truth when everybody (including they themselves) knows that theories are not fact until they can be proven to be fact.
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If BADecker was born somewhere in the Middle east, he would be spouting Islamic verses all over this forum.
You really got to have a free mind to understand that religion is pure indoctrination, (poison) to keep you from understanding the truth. Keeping you under the thumb so you do not resist authority.
If BADecker had been born in the Middle East, the Middle East would all be Christian by now. The anti-religion religion is an exercise in self contradiction... "Keeping you under the thumb" of stupid ignorance "so you do not resist authority."
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I think everyone loves peace. not only discussed atheists and religious people. but only those who do not understand about the peace who always think negative and hate others. positive thinking and try to be a better person.
America loves peace. That's why the U.S. soldiers are over in other countries fighting. They are trying to bring peace to the world.
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I prefer the American President who will inform the people about how to legally get out of income taxes.
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I just put those numbers (20:13) to google and this is what I found Leviticus 20:13 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. But anyways I was mainly referring to other gods as I haven't heard Christians killing many people these days. You are starting to like all those killing... aren't you?!? " Thou shalt not kill" - Ex 20:13 Best regards. No, I don't like killing, why do you think that? But it is funny that you think your thoughts are gods thoughts even though he basically approves them even if they are the exact opposite. You are not really getting guidance from god, you are really thinking all on your own and you just think you got it from god because no matter what you decide god will approve it somewhere. Kill nobody = god approves Kill somebody = god approves So where do you need this schizophrenic since after all you just do your own decision and the find sentence from bible that backs up that thought you just made? See you and BADecker for example, you both think different yet you both think that you think like god would want you to think Unfortunately for BitNow, BitNow has claimed to be in the Old Testament. We can see that the idea of a Messiah has not entered BitNow's spirit. Thus, there is only law for BitNow. Since BitNow can't follow the law perfectly, and since God requires perfection, BitNow is damned. Perhaps BitNow will come to understand salvation in the Messiah Jesus sometime before death, and be saved.
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summary; Obama doesn't want the Saudi sued over the few thousand killed in 9/11 as it opens the USA to being sued buy the millions its recently and currently killing or displacing in protecting its own interest; makes sense.
No, it doesn't "open the USA up" or any such thing. Sovereign nations under English common law have immunity from lawsuits. This carries over and down into states, and even counties and cities having similar immunities. What is interesting is a question about the immunity of (hypothetical) a single Saudi Prince. I think he's not able to piggyback on the immunity from lawsuits enjoyed by his nation. Simplifying it a bit. Say a Saudi prince goes to England, shoots a man in cold blood, then returns to Saudi Arabia. Is he immune from prosecution in England? I'm not an attorney but I think NO. sorry but your waffle missed my entire point it's not a waffle, and your point seemed to be that damage from war could be solved with lawsuits, which is ridiculous on it's face value. In America, Canada, Britain, and Australia, and a few other countries that have juries, any person can bring any claim before the court in jury trial. The jury has the right and duty to judge according to its conscience. The jury could require damages from another country, and require the nation to go to war to retrieve those damages. If the nation didn't appeal it and get it changed by another jury, it would be against the law to not go to war after the damages.
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I just put those numbers (20:13) to google and this is what I found Leviticus 20:13 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. But anyways I was mainly referring to other gods as I haven't heard Christians killing many people these days. You are starting to like all those killing... aren't you?!? " Thou shalt not kill" - Ex 20:13 Best regards. Actually, the Hebrew word translated "kill" in the time of King James, would be (and is) translated murder in standard American English nowadays. Government, at times, has the duty to kill. For example, even in the days when Moses gave the command not to kill, shortly thereafter God through Moses commanded the people of Israel to go out and kill certain peoples and nations in the land of Canaan... and even in the wilderness before they went into Canaan.
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And some people kill other people because they think that is what their god wants them to do.
" Thou shalt not kill" - Ex 20:13 Best regards. I just put those numbers (20:13) to google and this is what I found Leviticus 20:13 13 “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. But anyways I was mainly referring to other gods as I haven't heard Christians killing many people these days. This is a good law. It would make America much more stable if we had it. However, it is a law for the Jews in their country, not for Americans in America.
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Regulations within the USA are responsible for a systematic degradation of America as a country, mainly from an economic perspective but also from others.
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It's not the regulations. It's the ignorance of the people. Who cares what the regulations and the structure of Government are. Informed people don't care. Why not? Because they can do anything that they want as long as they do no harm to other people, nor damage the property of other people. Suppose that someone disobeys a regulation. Then government comes after him. There is a jury trial. If the person is smart enough to be able to wake the jury up to jury nullification and freedom, the regulation goes down the tubes and has no effect. Why doesn't it have any effect? Because the jury is over and above regulations. For example. Some guy smokes a joint in his house. SWAT breaks in and catches him. There is a jury trial. It's up to the jury. The jury doesn't have to follow the judge's (magistrate's) orders regarding their decision. They can set the guy free, and make government pay the guy for time lost. It simply depends on how informed the jury is. If the judge takes the jury to trial for not following his orders, the jury can do the same to the judge for not following their orders. Another jury trial. Now and a gain, and informed jury sets a pot-smoker free from punishment by government. All the juries could do this. Most of them are simply ignorant of this fact.
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i just hate religion cause they hate so many things about a person and sometimes some of them are judgemental.
Lots of people hate all people because all people are religious creatures. Some hate people so strongly that they commit suicide on account of it. And some people kill other people because they think that is what their god wants them to do. And some people become doctors and nurses because they think that God wants them to help other people live.
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Funny. Badecker is still there with his "proofs"?
Why are you still replying? ^^ If badecker even cared for logic or real argument he would agree to list his arguments in an ordered and precise way so we can refute them one by one. As he prefers to just give vague un unreliable explanations without ever defining his terms or context, he's probably even aware that it's nothing but wind.
SO you can't convince him, cause convincing need the other one to think in a , if not perfectly logical, at least reasonnable reliable way.
It's good practice. Of course I won't convince BADecker but it's an interesting task to unravel the tangled logic that he/she produces, and it's a difficult process to argue against since BADecker is usually not starting from a foundation of logic or knowledge. It doesn't matter how I explain the proof that science gives for the existence of God. You simply aren't interested in hearing it, or in thinking it through. You both are stuck in your atheism religion, and you like it that way. If you weren't stuck, or didn't like it, you would go out and examine science and nature to see that God really does exist. The other idea is that you know that God exists, and are simply fighting Him. You haven't given any scientific proof. Name one piece of scientific evidence you have to support your theory. Name one experiment you've performed to obtain said evidence. You have neither, so you have no 'scientific proof'. That isn't my job or goal. I have given you all the info you need to go and look at the proof where it exists. See the freedom I have given you? I have given you the freedom to stay ignorant, or to inform yourself. Looks like you would rather stay ignorant. It might not be your "job or goal" to make such claims about a "scientific proof of god", but you sure do seem to make that claim a lot. Are you backing away from your "scientific proof of god" claim now? So far, that I am aware of, I don't have a "scientific proof of God" claim. So, there is nothing for me to back away from. However, if you would like to see the scientific proof for God, simply research the info that I have made available many times, about cause and effect, complex universe, and universal entropy. You claim to not have a scientific proof of god anymore? Did you realise you were wrong, or have you changed your mind about needing a scientific proof of god? You seem to be hung up on the idea that I have some claim regarding scientific proof that God exists. Yet you won't tell us what you think my claim is. Because of this it is very difficult to even know what you are talking about. Science itself has the proof that God exists. There are at least two ways that Science proves this. 1. Cause and effect combined with complex universe combined with universal entropy, is one of the ways that science proves that God exists. 2. The fact that nature acts like a big, complex machine proves God. Why? Because all of our machines have machine-makers. We have no experience of any of our machines that have come about spontaneously, without a machine maker. Since the machine universe is as complex as it is, Whoever made it fits our definition of the word "God."
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i just hate religion cause they hate so many things about a person and sometimes some of them are judgemental.
Lots of people hate all people because all people are religious creatures. Some hate people so strongly that they commit suicide on account of it.
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This brings me back to my original point which was "how can there be a first cause if everything must have a cause?". This was the point to which you responded "Just because a thing is literally unthinkable by us humans does not mean that it is impossible!", but I'd like to hear a better reasoned argument than that. That's not a point/argument, it is merely a rhetorical question. The initial cause would have to be self-caused, but this is seemingly absurd and unthinkable by us. However, we are led to conclude a first cause by inductive reasoning, and to suppose any cause is to suppose a first cause. We are compelled to regard sense impressions as the effect of some cause. "If it is not the first cause, then by implication there must be a cause behind it, which thus becomes the real cause of the effect. Manifestly however complicated the assumptions, the same conclusion must be reached. We cannot ask how the changes in our consciousness are caused, without inevitably committing ourselves to the hypothesis of a First Cause." Spencer's treatise: http://www.constitution.org/hs/first_prin.htmNot necessarily. Consider that the first cause would have to be at a time when there was no universe. Why? Because everything that we have found in the universe acts by cause and effect. We have found nothing that acts without cause and effect. We barely understand the concept of no cause and effect. Cause and effect are universe "traits." Cause and effect might be something that exist outside of the universe, but we know absolutely nothing about that. So, the first cause might NOT need to be self-caused. The first cause might have been made to exist through some entirely different means and methods than we have thought of or could ever think of.
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I think God works via miracles and science works via proof. It doesnt jive.
God works miracles. But most of the time He uses science that only looks like miracles, because we haven't found out about that science, yet. After all, He made all the parts of all science.
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I am sorry but I disagree with some of the comments proving that god exists. If you read the bible, it says to have faith. So why are we looking for proof when we just need a little faith? There can not be a simpler answer than that.
The Bible doesn't say to have blind faith in God's existence. Rather, it says to have faith in the things that He tells us. We all know in our hearts that God exists. Science simply proves it scientifically. Faith is faith in the things that He tells us, especially about Jesus salvation.
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Atheists do not believe god and religion believe god So they hate religion.
I also do not believe in the tooth fairy, santa claus, unicorns, and pokemon... does that mean I hate all those too? How do you hate something you do not believe exists? Atheists know God/god exists. They know it because they set themselves up as gods by simply suggesting that God doesn't exists when they know that they don't know for sure that He doesn't. say what??!? where did you come up with that pearl of wisdom? i also simply suggest the easter bunny doesnt exist, does that set me up to be god too? Okay. Now, watch. First off, atheists are not stupid, are they? I mean, all you need to do is look at some of the things that they say, and how some of them are scientists, to see that they are not stupid. Second, if anyone simply believed that there was no God in the face of not being able to prove that there was no God, that would be bad enough. But in the case of God, nature shows by the fact of its existence that there must be a God. How and why? Because all of nature acts like machinery, and machinery needs a maker to exist. Simple as that. Third, science has proven that God exists. When you combine the science of cause and effect, with the commonly understood science of a complex universe, and universal entropy, the result has to be that God exists. If God didn't exist, at least one of these three could not exist. Since they all exist, God has to exist. Think it through. Everything operates by cause and effect. We have thousands of scientific operations that we know happen because something or some group of things causes them to happen. We have found nothing that we know operates by pure spontaneous random chance happenstance. Complexity in the universe is common knowledge. If there were not great complexity in the universe, we would have scientifically figured out how to live for a thousand years, long ago. The universe is so complex that we don't have a clue how to make ourselves live for a thousand years, even though we have been working at finding out for a long time. Entropy says that the universe had a beginning. If it didn't, everything would have dispersed and diffused into simplicity long ago. Put it together. Something caused the universe to begin. In the face of the all-pervading entropy that followed, this "Something" used cause and effect to make intelligence after countless cause and effect actions over thousands of years so that we have the intelligence of mankind today. And even our great intelligence has not been able to figure the cause and effect universe out it is so complex. The definition that we have for this "Something" is "God." God is highly intelligent, and fully capable way beyond understanding. Fourth, atheists know this. Perhaps your standard, everyday-on-the-street atheist hasn't more than glimpsed this. But the scientific atheists know it easily. That's why they are so desperately looking for some spontaneous, pure random happening... so that they can say that there is something other than cause and effect in existence. The scientist atheists know that God exists. When they attempt to set themselves above Him by saying that He doesn't exist, they are setting themselves up as gods. Atheism is a self-contradictory ideology, and because of the way it exists, it is a religion. Now, if you don't read this through and think about it, why answer? Your answer will only be based on meaninglessness.
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