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3161  Economy / Economics / Re: Fund to Let Investors Bet on Price of Bitcoins on: September 27, 2013, 01:14:42 AM
didn't read before i typed.. already addressed here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301650.0
3162  Economy / Economics / Re: Fund to Let Investors Bet on Price of Bitcoins on: September 27, 2013, 01:07:06 AM
my takeaways are:

BTC exposure to Wall Street investors (the Winklevoss offering will prolly be red taped until bitcoin is regulated)

older money is starting to look towards BTC as a speculative vehicle/tax refuge

the attention of "accredited investors" means a lot more capitalization/innovation in the btc space

investors are looking for a hedge against a banking system collapse

which are things that all seem doubleplusgood for btc long term
though, like you, it beats the hell out of me why they wouldn't just buy some coins and stick them in a wallet. it must be hard to be filthy rich sometimes  Grin

not an eco major (psych, actually). just a few speculative points of interest.

so, what do you guys think?
3163  Economy / Economics / Fund to Let Investors Bet on Price of Bitcoins on: September 27, 2013, 12:56:28 AM
this popped up on dealbook earlier while i was catching up on the news. always captivates me when i see BTC mentioned by the MSM

not the Winklevii offering, btw

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/fund-to-let-investors-bet-on-price-of-bitcoins/#postComment

For lazier heads:

Fund to Let Investors Bet on Price of Bitcoins
BY PETER LATTMAN AND NATHANIEL POPPER

The upstart stock exchange SecondMarket has made a name for itself allowing investors to buy shares of hot private companies like Twitter. Now that those companies are going public, SecondMarket is turning its attention to the next new thing — bitcoin.

On Thursday, SecondMarket is expected to begin raising money for an investment fund — the first of its kind in the United States — that will hold only bitcoins, giving wealthy investors exposure to the trendy but controversial virtual currency.

The fund, the Bitcoin Investment Trust, aims to provide a reliable and easy way to bet on the future price of bitcoin, a currency generally traded on unregulated, online exchanges based overseas.

“If you speak with people who have tried to purchase bitcoin in the past — you’ll hear, ‘it’s a difficult process,’ ‘it’s a confusing process,’ ‘it’s a scary process,’ ” said Barry Silbert, the chief executive of SecondMarket, based in New York. “We want to make it an accessible asset class.”

SecondMarket’s venture into bitcoin represents the latest effort to bring the virtual currency into the mainstream. But it is also likely to fuel the debate around the legitimacy and legality of a form of money that exists outside the conventional banking system, and has already attracted scrutiny for being used in illicit transactions.

Created in 2009 by a still unknown individual, or group, known as Satoshi Nakamoto, bitcoins exist only in digital form and can be bought with traditional money through the Internet. New bitcoins are “mined” by programmers solving complex math problems. The original programmers determined that only a finite number of bitcoins would be created.

While bitcoin is accepted as a form of payment by a growing, but still small number of businesses, it is mostly the domain of speculators, some of whom are drawn to its potential as an alternative to national currencies. The fortunes of bitcoin have in some ways paralleled the postfinancial crisis interest in gold, another asset that has appealed to investors skeptical of the monetary policy of the major central banks.

“It’s still at a point where the value is set by what the next guy is willing to pay for it,” said Brian Riley, senior research director at the CEB TowerGroup. “Even though it’s got the cool factor to it, it’s still not a place to park your 401(k).”

Bitcoins gained much wider public exposure this year, when the price doubled and then collapsed over a few weeks. Recently, the price of a single bitcoin has stabilized, trading at $135, down from its peak of more than $250 in April. The total value of all outstanding bitcoins is currently over $1.5 billion.

The SecondMarket fund’s creation comes just a few months after Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, the technology investors best known for their involvement with Facebook, announced the creation of a similar product. The Winklevosses’ vehicle, though, will be an exchange traded fund, or E.T.F., accessible to all investors. As a result it must go through a lengthy and uncertain review process with federal regulators.

In contrast, the SecondMarket fund can begin raising money immediately because it will be available only to investors who meet a wealth threshold set by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Those who qualify, called “accredited investors,” must have a net worth of at least $1 million, excluding their primary residence, or annual income of more than $200,000 in each of the previous two years.

Mr. Silbert said that because of the risky nature of bitcoins, they should not be sold to ordinary retail investors who could buy E.T.F.’s.

“It’s premature for this kind of product to be in the public market,” Mr. Silbert said. “It should not be available to unsophisticated investors.”

Mr. Silbert, who started SecondMarket in 2004, has built a business making markets in risky, inaccessible investments. The company operates an exchange on which employees of private companies can sell their shares to wealthy investors, essentially a private-company stock market.

This kind of trading exploded in recent years because of the boom in social networking Web sites, driving up the valuations of start-ups like Facebook, Twitter, Groupon and Zynga.

Now that all these companies have either gone public or announced their intention to do so, there are questions about how SecondMarket and its ilk will adapt. Its biggest competitor, SharesPost, announced a partnership with Nasdaq to raise the visibility of its private exchange.

For SecondMarket, the bitcoin fund signals a push to diversify into new businesses. Beyond its exchange for private company shares, it has facilitated the buying and selling of other hard-to-trade assets like bankruptcy claims and auction rate securities. Another recently created division helps start-ups raise capital.

The company has already amassed a $2.25 million stake of bitcoins that will seed the new fund. SecondMarket has spent the last year developing relationships with over a hundred bitcoin players, including programmers, merchants and exchanges. Those relationships should make it easier for the company to quickly find the best price for bitcoin at a given time.

SecondMarket says the fund will make it possible for investors to have access to the bitcoin market without dealing with the sometimes unreliable online exchanges and the complex security issues involved in storing digital money. Packaging bitcoins as a fund may also allow the investment to be kept in tax-advantaged retirement account, Mr. Silbert said.

SecondMarket’s new fund is following in the steps of Exante, a hedge fund operator in Malta. That firm said that its Bitcoin Hedge Fund has amassed 90,000 bitcoins, which would be worth about $12.2 million.

Mr. Silbert, 37, has already been involved in the bitcoin world, parlaying his early purchases of the digital money into a broader array of investments in bitcoin-related companies including Coinbase, a bitcoin storage company, and Bitpay, a payment processor.

One of the risks for bitcoin investors is the uncertain regulatory environment. A Senate committee and a number of state regulators have been examining whether the currency is evading financial oversight, allowing it to be used by money launderers, tax dodgers and drug traffickers.

The world’s largest bitcoin exchange, Mt. Gox, based in Japan, has had numerous run-ins with American authorities, leading to periodic closings of the service for American customers.

On at least one front, though, SecondMarket is taking advantage of relaxed regulations that went into effect just this week letting financial firms publicly market their private funds. But that does not mean that investment experts think the bitcoin fund will be a smart purchase for most investors, even well-heeled ones.

“Just because the S.E.C. now allows a private fund to advertise an offering doesn’t mean it’s a prudent investment,” said Jay G. Baris, a lawyer who leads the investment management practice at Morrison & Foerster. “And investing in bitcoin does not have the same risk profile as investing in a blue chip stock.”
3164  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: September 24, 2013, 12:10:53 AM
Of course it is simple.  When Dooglus provides me an updated total betting history of nakowa, we can do a shuffle analysis and see for real.  Last time I did it when he was up 4000 BTC, it was around 7% chance.
5% chance is 1/20.
Many people here will be familiar with dice.
Roll a 20 sided dice, get a 20 --> 5% chance.
You know, it happens.
He critted just-dice.


nah, Just-Dice rolled a natural 1..
3165  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin farming, the next frontier on: September 23, 2013, 02:33:19 PM
this is great idea, i often wish i could purchase ingredients like produce and meat (i like to cook) rather than food (ala Gyft).

but i must say, when you look at it, people have been trading bitcoin for "horticultural products" (read: pot) quite extensively via the Tor drug markets.. if one were to look at the capitalization on these markets, i wonder how highly "farm" products would rank in the bitcoin economy?
3166  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 19, 2013, 10:37:46 PM
What brought you to Cyprus?

My daughter and my family.

The island is beautiful, the people are great and the sun is always shining, so I am never leaving for more than 2 weeks ever again (unless business requirements dictate otherwise)!
this.
this level of transparency, the communication.. has spoiled me to the quality of asset I will invest with in the future. In this cryptic world of identity escrows and unregulated securities, an open channel of honest communication is refreshing. With a person. Not a persona. Others would not have even fielded this question.

Asset issuers in the future, heed this. This is the new standard; we will not accept less.

-Green
3167  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 17, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
yezzir.
3168  Economy / Securities / Re: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - The Bitcoin Bank (Cyprus) - LMB Holdings on: September 17, 2013, 05:54:10 PM
Are shares still available, and can i do multiple pushes?
3169  Economy / Digital goods / Re: WTB PED for BTC on: September 11, 2013, 05:45:19 PM
i was on arkadia though last time i checked.. gotta get back to caly. ill hitch a shuttle or something. is space still as dangerous as it was with the pirate situation?
3170  Economy / Digital goods / Re: WTB PED for BTC on: September 11, 2013, 05:43:18 PM
i \'ve been meaning to cash out my assets in Entropia but was too low to withdraw... let me log in, see what i have and I'll send you a pm
3171  Economy / Services / Re: Gauging Interest - Post Apocalyptic MUD with A BTC Economy on: September 08, 2013, 05:07:02 PM
I actually to this day, still prefer text based MUD's. I worked developed on them for.. geesh over a decade now? I would LOVE to develop a MUD with the currency being bitcoin. Why even fuck with Minecraft?

if i get this rolling you'll definitely hear from me

I would suggest getting CoffeeMUD and modifying that to fit what you need. Comes with help documents and everything, and if you want to add some game logic that hasn't been thought up, by all means, do so.

CoffeeMud looks fairly easy to implement with pretty considerable documentation, pretty user friendly

CoffeeMUD is Java. I don't recommend anyone having Java on their computer unless they absolutely need it.

This looks promising: http://www.ranviermud.com/

I like the features of this a little better (seems to lack documentation though, not quite as user friendly. Why would you suggest not using Java? Security flaws?

I'm still stuck standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here.

Open that bad boy up, dammit.  Grin
3172  Other / Off-topic / Re: Phinnaeus Gage on: September 05, 2013, 08:57:06 AM
I think we need to find PG a new hobby!



this. changed my life.

thank you.  Grin
3173  Economy / Services / Gauging Interest - Post Apocalyptic MUD with A BTC Economy on: September 05, 2013, 08:26:41 AM
Hey, as the title suggests, trying to gauge interest in a free to play, fully featured  post apocalyptic themed mud that allows you to earn BTC through game play. I'm a longtime fan of the mud genre; it has always fascinated me how deeply featured/ unique games can be with the limitations of graphics removed. Focus is on game mechanics, essentially, players perform in game professions (hunting, gathering, crafting) to generate loot/tools that can be sold to other players. Game revenue (developer side) is generated through microtransactions (crafting costs for tools, processing costs for loot, to put it in a form usable for crafting). Economy is player driven, players set market value for particular items through trades, not regulated pricing. If any of you are familiar with the any of the RCE(Real Cash Economy) games available like Afterworld or Entropia, I'm talking about an offering similar to these. Sans graphics. With a better plot. The title Fallen Earth, despite having graphics, should give you an example of the thematic elements in going for.


Its hard for some people to swallow a game with no graphics, but with rich gameplay and attention to lore/storyline I believe I can develop a world that will captivate the hardcore gamer in its complexity. Open ended character progression will give you something to do always; still havent figured out how I want to do the skill system (passive vs active skillgain).

So, could any of you guys get behind an offering like that? I have nada programming skills, but I would genuinely love to see a title like this available on the market, not counting the existing similar projects out (Craft4Coins, BitFantasy).

I would do this using the minecraft universe/client as a framework, but I feel that having to purchase the minecraft client is kind of a barrier of entry for some. Also, the animation style/play mechanic is lost on some adults (Id prefer a mature player). Which leads us to the fact that Minecraft is lousy with trolls and young aspiring trolls. The level of customization I would need would also be daunting starting from a vanilla minecraft server.

Discuss!

3174  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: who buys 0.01 BTC ? on: September 05, 2013, 05:51:22 AM
could be test transactions, but it seems like market manipulation
3175  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New Snowden Leak Reports ‘Groundbreaking’ NSA Crypto-Cracking on: September 05, 2013, 04:50:03 AM
Im not too savvy on all the crypto shit, but does this mean that Pretty Good Privacy isn't so good and private anymore?
3176  Other / Politics & Society / Re: We are living in the 2nd coming of the 60s on: September 05, 2013, 04:42:11 AM
God is the whole of the law. Not trying to sound all new age and shit. But for Christians, God's will IS the whole of reality. We assert our wills in harmony with the Lord's in order to advance the cause of Order/Good what you will. We constantly pray that our motivations don't stray from this path; this walk with God we try to participate in. Those who serve the Adversary ultimately serve his will, even if they believe they are only asserting their own wills. Your Will Being the Whole of The Law pretty much summing that mindset up. These are agents of chaos/evil.

Off topic, but I felt I needed to clarify. Hell is quite real, but the very definition of hell requires that the experience of it vary from person to person. My understanding of hell is that it is a tailored experience. So don't get caught up in all the old school hellfire and brimstone. Hell is the punishment for narcissistic behavior and the consequent behaviors that arise from the narcissistic mindset (Satan's Sin). Hell is suffering. And, well shit, I don't need to point all of that out that around, do I?


I will admit however, Hell can't be permanent. Because eternal torment doesn't seem like a feature of an infinitely loving and forgiving God. Doesn't mean you can't learn a hot assed lesson for a few 100 years or so. Grin






3177  Economy / Goods / Re: almost free electricity ($0.0223 per KWh) ALMOST FREE! on: September 05, 2013, 03:44:28 AM
A grow tent would allow you to maintain a 24/0 - 18/6 light cycle in the same space you were flowering. As long as its light proof and the lights are on a separate timer, you should be able to get away with veg./flowering in the same space.

Now, I have absolutely no interest in mining bitcoins in this space, but these do however sound absolutely perfect for growing a crop of sensi. To hell with a network difficulty increase. I'd rather spider mites (not really, spider mites suck major, flower destroying ass).

So I ask...

+ Are these units wired for 240?

+ Is ducting available (duct holes i mean), for heat extraction? Or will i have to utilize leds? AC cooled space?
Edit: I Read and Understood this time, my bad

+ How secure is this? Keycard/code access? Keyed entry? Security Guards?

+ I have equipment already. Is it cheaper per month if I bring my own equipment? Or is that figure based off of the pictured setup being provided?

+ Will i have to utilize low odor strains? Been breeding a diesel x abusive kush cross that reeks to high heaven. Is odor control even required?

+ I am currently not a resident of Colorado. Besides federal pressure, will I be subject to any particular legislation that would allow my asset to be seized?

+ If these are classified as condos, in the event of fire, will I be able to recover my assets from catastrophe? (Renters insurance/ storage insurance are not the same service exactly and have different policy recovery limits)










3178  Economy / Currency exchange / Looking to buy BTC with $300 Moneypak on: September 01, 2013, 07:28:44 PM
As the title. Rate is negotiable, prefer trusted members, but open (will consider on a per case basis). John K or KingOfSports for escrow.

Thanks for your consideration in advance

-Green
3179  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: {WTS} My BTC for your Moneypak on: August 28, 2013, 09:11:27 PM
Transaction completed, but I will have more BTC to trade in the future
3180  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: S> Moneypak for BTC on: August 28, 2013, 07:16:31 PM
extremely smooth transaction, sent btc and received a moneypak in literal seconds. has my repeat business, recommended.

-Green
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