oh no! now we got the win-realease of SA3-kernel fast gpu miner for everyone, not only for linux-miner what a pity  adaseb asked for win-build instruction (see the SA-topic 09/29/2016) and nobody helped - you got what you got  and that's bad because some of us are lazy windows user and called that from time to time . we can't have it ? . and never saw were adaseb asked  . I`m not lazy and can compile with the help of MinGV, but who cares Linux only  why so? ask mrbI assume you mean MingW  He has proven in the past that he's a decent dev, has done a lot for the community, even killed some alts, "Decred, Sia"..  I think this is not the first time he's borrowed from open-source code. When I looked at his ethereum miner, it seemed to have code from ethminer. It also seems to have a completely proprietary kernel that is used for some GPUs. i.e. when it starts up and detects the GPU type (Pitcairn, Hawaii, Tonga...) it chooses between at least 2 different kernels. Of course, the only difference is the dual mining mode, something i've been shouting for months as well.. What made it so popular is the fact that it "seems" to perform better on Eth, but that's just an illusion, if you fine-tune global work size and local work size you'll even go faster. But i don't think i'd have to explain that to you I agree with your assessment that he's a "decent" dev. The best kernel dev I've seen yet is Wolf, who can write impressive code in GCN assembler. Wolf could get a bit better on the algorithms/math side of things though. His GCN assembler keccak implementation is sub-optimal for ethereum mining. The standard 24-round implementation could be done with an in-place implementation which uses less resources, and therefore would be slightly faster.
Can't agree more, i have never met a person like Wolf before, he's extremely gifted, most don't even know how young he is... He has his flaws (Yeah Wolf, if you read this, you know i'm right ), but doesn't change the fact that he's one of the best devs around. By far. Greetings! |
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I've tested 4 different miners for over a week.
Silentarmy version 3 is faster than Claymore. I believe nerdalpha and mrb have the fastest miners atm. Claymore is in 3rd place. Genoil 4th/5th.
Also for the record, Claymore stole/copied mrb's licensed, open source code and was using it to monetize his closed source miner. This was intentional.
I was hinting at this 2-3 days ago.
This is unethical and represents risk factors.
Worst case scenario would be that Claymore also has malware in the miner and he starts stealing people's keys, passwords, sensitive data.
Let me ask you guys: Do any of you personally know who Claymore is?
I am not accusing anyone yet, but I am advising caution now.
There exists the risk of another FriedCat situation happening again.
Greaterninja, you sir said it all. This is exactly what i've been shouting for the past days. Especially the fact that there are alternatives which are faster, open source and completely free. Still people tend to put on their Clayglasses  The malware part, i highly doubt that, but you have some decent points there. No one knows who he is, not that that is something we all should know, but if he would do something like that, he could just disappear and no one would ever know who he was/is or even where he is. On the other side, if i was him, i wouldn't want anyone to know my personal name, where i live, etc.. either.. He has proven in the past that he's a decent dev, has done a lot for the community, even killed some alts, "Decred, Sia".. Ok i'm exaggerating here but it is a fact that those coins have lost a shitload of value from the moment he integrated them in his "dual"miner. Anyhow, i'll be honest, i have never been a big fan and now with the recent events that occurred, my personal feeling about Claymore has dropt even more. Time for some changes in the altcoin world |
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Do you guys even read?? 480 does 50+ with the silentarmy kernel modded by nerdralph!! I even posted a screenshot of this! Yes, modded rom, but the same gpu's only hit 47 max! with your precious claymore miner... Btw, it even does 50 on a 390 nitro! Without fee! Open source! Sorry but you forgot what make Claymore miner value. 1) Stability 2) Remote Manager 3) Support old card like 7950, 7970... Stability? Kidding me? Been running for 24hrs straight. 2cards, average at the pool 115 Sol.. yeah.. Remote manager, sure, if you like to manually enter all of your rigs in a manager. Great if you have 10 rigs, not if you have 200.. Support old cards, of course it does.. it's even faster on those. my 380 does 38-40 sol with nerdralphs mod .. Do you guys even read?? 480 does 50+ with the silentarmy kernel modded by nerdralph!! I even posted a screenshot of this! Yes, modded rom, but the same gpu's only hit 47 max! with your precious claymore miner... Btw, it even does 50 on a 390 nitro! Without fee! Open source! Eliovp, we all know that but we use windows, don't you get that ?  I'm mainly referring to the Linux users here.. But yes, you have a point. There is no stable windows release yet. Let me personally try to change that this week. Greetings |
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my case using zcashclient silent army to claymore zcash miner
280x from 25 to 45 sols
rx480 from 35 to 45 sols
r9 390 from 27 to 50 sols
290x from 30 to 50 sols
amd fury from 40 to 50 sols
is using this miner with 2.5% fee enticing enough for my case? i say yes..
it is still a challenge for the open source community to make zcash mining stable and optimized, specially for windows users..that day will come, but for now claymore is doing something others don't, and making money in the process.
i hope this issue right now gets sorted out.
Do you guys even read?? 480 does 50+ with the silentarmy kernel modded by nerdralph!! I even posted a screenshot of this! Yes, modded rom, but the same gpu's only hit 47 max! with your precious claymore miner... Btw, it even does 50 on a 390 nitro! Without fee! Open source! |
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What about cpu usage on nedralph ft. mrb miner vs. claymore's?
That really is the main weak factor of silentarmy miner. I had to install miner on my friend's PC that is very slow single core Celeron with 1GB of RAM and RX470 x 2 cards. Silentarmy gave me only 7Sol/s per thread, so around 28 Sol/s for TWO RX470. The limiting factor was CPU and bus. I replaced the MB by a better one and got double performance - around 56 Sol/s. Still not a lot since the same miner with H81Pro BTC and G3240 gave more. Replacing the miner by CZM (let me call so the Claymore's Zcash miner further), I've got 90 Sol/s on that slowest mobo with single core CPU. So I hope mrb will pay some attention to this. Otherwise his miner isn't slower for modern cards. Can't say so yet for 79xx. But have to admit that 50% of success of CZM is remote management + telemetry, stability and easy use on all platforms. That pays for itself. And with the same performance people will use CZM just for that. As for me, I would use freeware miner and add telemetry scripting if necessary. But of course, we now need the same performance just to stay in a line with the majority. I must have a seriously powerful celeron cpu then i guess.. 2 x 480 both doing 50+ sol with nerdralph's silentarmy mod... Reference here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1670733.msg16783529#msg16783529Weak factor... |
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This cryptomined fellow is like a Spanish Inquisition. Very aggressive to put as much black PR as he can on claymore... Doesn't look like aggression to me though.. Not even jealousy.. Just facts, that aren't completely true. I went ahead and setup Claymore's 2.5% fee miner and ran it. My 2x480's in my test machine never got over 47 sol per card. (Let it run for an hour). While the Silent army one modified by Nerdralph never got lower than 48!! Even spikes to 56Sol.  Also let it run for an hour to get a better look on the pool results. And yup, those were even higher then the reported sols as well. So basically, Claymore didn't take the silent army kernel and implemented it, he took it, made it slower and put a big ass fee next to it and made all of you people think that you hit the jackpot, haha And now laughing his ass off watching his "Sols" go up in all those pools and thinking : "Suckers...." Edit: I have to admit, after reading the convo between Mrb and Claymore, respect that he admitted his fault and doesn't try to hide it. Kudo's. |
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Just tested Claymore's Linux miner, and it is ~5% faster. Therefore I've changed the title to fastest open source miner.
I think I can get another 15-20% improvement in performance out of the silentarmy kernel, and claim back the title to fastest overall.
do that while keeping it open source and "fee less" and i pledge i will donate .05 ZEC to the address of your choosing. cheers We'll see. Based on JW's experience with ethminer, donations were much less than 1% of mining revenue even before Claymore release his miner. Right now my thought is to have an open-source version that is as fast as Claymore's and one that is at least 10% faster for a private miner. Ha, that's the funny part, it's already faster than Claymore's..  Claymore's doesn't even come close.. I Feel sorry for those who use a slower miner and on top of that give away 2.5% of that.. Keep it up Nerdralph. If you have that private one, send me pm, i'm genuinely interested! |
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Even though Claymore released a linux version, this one is still faster. Yeah, you have to kind of know what you're doing to use this, although that it's still super easy to run/compile.. Kudo's Nerdralph! Just tested Claymore's Linux miner, and it is ~5% faster. Therefore I've changed the title to fastest open source miner.
I think I can get another 15-20% improvement in performance out of the silentarmy kernel, and claim back the title to fastest overall.
do that while keeping it open source and "fee less" and i pledge i will donate .05 ZEC to the address of your choosing. cheers I will throw in some more |
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Here, it'll give you around 44-45 sol stock. Modded rom as you can see does 50+ avarages around 52 at this moment. Thanks! 6 x RX 480 on Linux: Total 300.0 sol/s [dev0 51.2, dev1 48.7, dev2 46.0, dev3 50.1, dev4 52.5, dev5 47.0] 510 shares Total 298.6 sol/s [dev0 51.1, dev1 50.2, dev2 47.0, dev3 50.6, dev4 51.9, dev5 47.5] 515 shares Total 298.9 sol/s [dev0 48.1, dev1 49.3, dev2 48.5, dev3 50.3, dev4 49.9, dev5 49.1] 519 shares Total 299.3 sol/s [dev0 49.3, dev1 47.4, dev2 50.1, dev3 49.3, dev4 50.9, dev5 50.9] 523 shares Total 300.6 sol/s [dev0 48.0, dev1 46.6, dev2 49.8, dev3 48.8, dev4 51.3, dev5 52.9] 524 shares Total 301.3 sol/s [dev0 46.7, dev1 46.4, dev2 48.6, dev3 50.5, dev4 52.4, dev5 52.3] 524 shares Do you know of any CPU miners for ZEC that is better / faster than Nicehash's implemention on Linux? Very nice! |
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A 480 does better.. Direct link: Herenedralph mod + tough timings )) Where can i get the nedralph mod? , it'll give you around 44-45 sol stock. Modded rom as you can see does 50+ avarages around 52 at this moment. |
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A 480 does better.. Direct link: Herenedralph mod + tough timings )) Got that right mate Here, after a little longer..  Still doing good |
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Has anybody noticed if this miner needs more PCIe bandwidth like the genoil miner did?
We're still not sure the PCIe bandwidth is a limiting factor, though it did appear to be a possibility with Genoil's miner. Genoil's miner was very CPU hungry too though. My Celeron and Pentium chips would be at 40% CPU load with Genoil miner, with Claymore miner they're in low single digits CPU usage. But certainly claymore's miner is much quicker for me on my 6 and 7 card rigs. I'm getting almost twice the hashrate with my 7x 290x rig. Oh I am sure the bandwidth was a factor. I had a 4x 480 with Athlon II X2 using PCIe 1x extenders. 26-29 Sol/s Putting the cards into the x16 slots with no other changes 30-35 Sol/s Claymore 41-43 Sol/s Yes, I noticed the same. But only with Genoil miner it seems and probably something to do with the much higher CPU usage. So I'm not sure it's a limiting factor anymore. Looks like right now if you have any RX 470/480
ETC PROFITABILITY = ZEC PROFITABILITY
Still more profitable to mine ZEC on 280x however.
Going by Nicehash and Whattomine data
ETH miners are already fully optimized, ZEC miners are at the early development stage. I still hope to get a lot more ZEC from my 480. Pity ZEC price is plummeting...  Yeah, now if everyone would stop using claymore's super fast and stable miner maybe the price won't dump so much A 480 does better.. Direct link: Here |
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Should I install Ubuntu 16.04 dektop or the other one with black screen ?
The desktop edition works fine. Personally I install the server edition ("black screen") because my system is headless and I admin it over SSH. The README.md file documents exactly the steps to install the drivers and SDK. That out of the way, I know you need to create a file basically lika a config.txt equivalent for it to trigger this. I have tried and just don't know how. It takes me back when I was learning DOS and Qbasic, omg 25 years ago. I guess my question is how do you get this miner to run? I have created the file and #!/bin/bash but after that I just don't know what to put in it. Thanks and I apologize for the ignorance.
You can just put this in the bash script: #!/bin/bash
/path-to-the-silentarmy-directory/silentarmy -c stratum+tcp://your.pool.here:1234 -u your-address-here -p password
And to fix your "make" issue, run "sudo apt-get install build-essential libsodium-dev" as described in README.md. This will install "make" and other required dependencies. I think the vast majority (>95%) of miners have cards with at least 2GB RAM. The kernel I designed (and only implemented a bit of prototype code) is quite similar to yours, but only supporting 2^20 sorting bins (or rows). My design has 2 tables like yours (I consider it to be like double-buffering), but I hadn't thought of dividing the saved indexes between the two tables so they could fit in 28 bytes and leaving 4 bytes for the collision counter. I did see the change of OVERHEAD from 13 to 9, but I hadn't noticed the counter reset at the end of the round. https://github.com/mbevand/silentarmy/blob/master/input.cl#L568Since you say you have to support options other than 2^20 rows, I'll probably fork your code and optimize it for 2^20. I think it should give another 10% performance boost. I also think even more performance can be attained by optimizing for the 256-byte stride size of the Polaris, Tonga, and Pitcairn GPUs. Despite your comment in the code about odd values of OVERHEAD being best for avoiding channel conflicts, I had found 12 was faster than 13 in my testing on Tonga and Pitcairn. I do not see any performance degradations caused by my code supporting other NR_ROWS_LOG values (I have tried implementing only 20). Because all the non-20 cases are #ifdef'd out of the code. Plus the OpenCL compiler is very good at removing loops such as the for-loop in equihash_round() that becomes useless with 20. Tweaking OVERHEAD might gain you a few % here and there. I must say I chose the OVERHEAD value for best performance on R9 Nano and RX 480, but yes I expect the ideal value to be slightly different on different GPUs. If you find a much better value on some GPUs, let me know I am using ubuntu 14.04 on my 4GPU rig (3x radeon 280x and 1 270)
when I silenarmy it stucks, so I had to add config option to use only 1 instance. Now its running fine and it makes total 67 sols. I do not know if that is good.
When I look at gpu utilisation on atitweak, O see utilization is low. why?
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This sounds like a hardware issue. Check your risers, overclocking, overheating, power supply, etc. And atitweak is wrong about utilization being zero. 67 sol/s is what I would expect with your GPUs and --instance 1. Hi, using ubuntu 14.04 + amd gpu pro 16.30 on 6-card-rig (stable on ethereum + claymore) rig I have 0.0 (zero) sols after few minutes of mining. Hardware is Asrock H97 anniversary + RX470 refs. [...] If stop and restart miner threads could not been initialized, so I need to reboot. I am using zec.nanopool.org Here is dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/fg5ZEiaiDitto: hardware issues. In case others come across the issue with python. This script needs python 3.5+, in order to run it you can either apt-get the latest python version. In my case, on ubuntu 14.04 i had to run it from the python 3.5+ binary because it wouldn't run with an older version. So i just run it like so : /usr/bin/python3.5 silentarmy --list |
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Congrats on the release Claymore.
In my case, 6x RX 480, around 280sol while the latest silentarmy one does around 300.
Will let it run for a while to see what the pool says..
Greetings.
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Who wants to guess the dev fee?
5%
The dev fee will stay the same. Claymore is not greedy, he knows 1% of a good miner is more than enough to make some money while keeping a faithful comunity More than 1% will probably take away a significant part of the current legion of miners using his stuff Of course, simply because there are other miners out there with similar or even better results.. |
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Good news: I'm going to release my ZEC miner in a few hours so all ZEC-related discussion will move to new thread finally Bad news: I was not reach 100h/s on 390 in this version. I'm going to improve speed, but people want to have miner asap so I will release it as is, about 50h/s on stock 390X. I don't like to hurry so further improvements will be added later. I'll wait...i don't care if i sleep very late tonight or early morning Latest Silent army release, which is free, without a fee, does 50 as well.. isn't that something? |
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if someone could compile this and make a windows executable he would be a hero
Be a hero yourself: install and run Linux! :-) Seriously, I'll look into Windows support, but not for the next version. Maybe later. I got the solver to build on Windows now, only to find out the miner logic was written in Python... You beat me to it |
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Nice thread Kilo, you'll make a lot of those willing to learn happy with this! And perhaps there are some "hextalents" amongst those that want to learn and we'll discover new things! Good luck! |
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