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321  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 11, 2022, 12:13:52 PM
You have 1 subscriber on your youtube channel, OP, good job! I can see the message of hate is getting where it's supposed to.
Did you make all this effort to make an account here just to tell us how stupid we are believing in a scam?

I know you don't like it, but what's the purpose of going to a concert to tell people that the band sucks and they should leave?  
It's not that. It's telling people that there's no band, no concert and that the tickets they're buying are fake.

What does it mean "fake"? I can see the band playing, I can hear the music, so do all the people present at the concert. Suddenly one guy comes and starts persuading us that there's no concert.
Sorry, but you need to consult your doctor.

I've done numerous transactions with Bitcoin. I was paid for work, I paid other people, I bought stuff online directly, I've bought it indirectly (gift cards), I've exchanged it for various fiat currencies.
You're wasting your time. I'm sure there are groups where you'll make some impact, but not here.
You did nothing of the sort. You just participated in the system tha creates the illusion of asset by attributing the units of Satoshi's imagined quantity to virtual addresses. Or, to use your analogy, you just participated in the exchanging of the tickets for a concert that will never take place.
322  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 11, 2022, 12:05:13 PM
I am starting to think that these posts are being written by the same person but with different throwaway accounts, but I'll debunk this one too, anyway.

It reminds me of another person who was babbling about quantity a few months ago.

tl;dr
The illusion is created by misusing the concept of quantity and name. ... By writing down numbers and names, the crypto systems create the illusion of assets(money). In that way, they deceive people and trick them out of their real assets.

False. Quantity is valid electronically as it is physically. Take your bank account for example. It *only* exists in numbers - your money is not backed by an appropriate amount of bank notes, because that's how bnks work. Your money is backed by debts - which are statements of amount owed to you, and are hence also numbers.

Debt in crypto is the appropriate amount of US Dollars (or whatever other fiat currency) that was used to buy the bitcoins in the first place. This is what backs the quantity of BTC.

Cheap philosophy. Tell me, what is the institution, organization, person or entity that ows you something when you hold a number next to your address? Well, none. Debt is in the banking system, recorded in the balance sheet of the banks, backed by mortgages and other liens, and paid by borrowers in goods, services or labour to holders of banknotes or deposits prior to every loan repayment.

From the Satoshi's number you can benefit like in every scam - only if new investors voluntarily enter the system.  
323  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 11, 2022, 11:46:17 AM
Bitcoin is a name. You, by having number in a system, are not able to show asset. For e.g, you by having number 1 attached to the addresses, compared to someone that has 0.0001, are not able to show a thousand times more zeros and ones in the system in your possession. Digital asset is zeros and ones. So you own no digital asset. You just have fake number that creates the illusion of asset quantity, as described in OP. Simply, you're the victim of a scam.
This makes me understand you know nothing about Bitcoin.  All you seem to 'know' comes from a false reality you made up yourself or believe in.  You keep saying Satoshi is scamming us out of our real assets.  Tell me, how does Satoshi steal and benefit from my Bitcoin?

You can do whatever you want. I am just telling you how things are.
So you choose to impose your mindset over ours.  When in history did that ever succeed first of all?  Also, can you imagine how this looks like from our side?

A scam is when the only possible way for you to benefit from your investment is from funds contributed by new investors. A legitimate business is when you can benefit from the asset you invested in, such as debt (fiat/bonds), equity, commodity, real estate, etc.

Now, answer me: how can you benefit from a number that you have next to your address without new investors voluntarily entering the Satoshi's system?
Easy.  Bitcoin is what now, $30,000?  Down from what, over $60,000?  Did investors leave when this drop happened?  You have to learn how market offers and demand work.  If you think Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme, you got this wrong all the way.  Read the Whitepaper once, word by word, and you will know it is not.  But you rather choose to believe in a fantasy.

I provided you evidence that bitcoin is a scam system that creates the illusion of asset. You ignored all the evidences, and started to talk about irrelevant things. You're not even responding to the theme of the topic.
Quote the 'evidence', please.  I do not see any, just a conspiracy, unless I missed it all.

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Regards,
PrivacyG
Satoshi benefits from people's real assets that they transferred to him/her in the exchange for the units of his imagined quantity which were attributed to the addresses they initially created. From bitcoin, no one can benefit given this is just a name invented by Satoshi. It's assets from what people benefit. From debt they benefit when the debt is paid. From commodities when they are built into products or utilized as energy. From capital/equity when it is used to produce goods and services. From real estate people benefit by having a place to live or use it as a raw land to farm. Etc. Etc. Satoshi created no asset. He created a name(Bitcoin) and a number (21 million) to use them for creating the illusion of asset and in that way trick people out of their real asset. It is mind boggling how vehemently you people defend that scammer.

As for the evidence, the whole OP is the evidence.
324  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 11, 2022, 09:58:25 AM
You have 1 subscriber on your youtube channel, OP, good job! I can see the message of hate is getting where it's supposed to.
Did you make all this effort to make an account here just to tell us how stupid we are believing in a scam?

I know you don't like it, but what's the purpose of going to a concert to tell people that the band sucks and they should leave? 
It's not that. It's telling people that there's no band, no concert and that the tickets they're buying are fake.
325  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 11, 2022, 09:24:36 AM
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But in reality, fiat money is a debt-based asset. Numbers, on the other hand, just represent asset quantity.  Meaning, when people hold banknotes or deposits, the borrowers owe them economic benefits in the form of goods, services and labor. The holders invested these benefits in banknotes or deposits, that were put in circulation with loans. And that is why, borrowers are forced (via mortgages and other liens) to trade goods, services or labor with the holders, to be able to repay the loans.

Bitcoin is mined, miners use the energy, miners pay the electricity bills, miners do the proof of work to embed the transactions on blockchain. Mined coins are used in monetary system for the circulation, that includes trading, lending, staking, exchange of different coins using bitcoin and even withdrawing that money to the bank account.

This is where the bitcoin world is merged / linked with the real world banking system and therefore I see no difference in using bitcoin or fiat?

Though I read through the arguments up here, I just could not resist but had to explain how I look at the bitcoin and how its not a "paradox". Peeps became 10 year old trying to explain themselves the bitcoin bubble which will burst soon but it was never a bubble and things are still pretty perfect.
Sorry, but you're the victim of false narrative. Nothing is "mined". You invest electricity, which is real asset, and then, the units of Satoshi's imagined quantity are attributed to your address in order to create the illusion of some digital asset. But, as I already demonstrated, you own no asset. You, with for example "10" attributed, and someone with "0.0001" attributed are not different in the possession of zeros and ones in the system. And digital assets are of course composed of zeros and ones. It is literally unbelievable how you reject pure facts and keep defending the scammer and their scam.
326  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 11, 2022, 05:09:02 AM
You're the victim. Try to accept explanations of people that are trying to help you.
Oh you are too kind for hepling us out of the kindness of your heart, after reading your full of knowdgle post I feel so much wiser and want to dump all my bitcoins and run away. If you give me your bitcoin address I will send it all to you and free myself of this illusion.
You can do whatever you want. I am just telling you how things are.
327  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 10, 2022, 04:09:34 PM
Stop. Leave this place. Nobody agrees with you.
Antikvark/Fxsurfer/Antithesis and now under new name Snowshow will keep coming back as long as people keep seriously answering to his drivel. He knows that he won't convince anyone in his bullshit like we all know that we won't change his opinion so what's the point in playing another game of pigeon chess with him? He is obviously ban evading but too bad that forum staff is not willing to ban his last few alts.

His last topic had 17 pages, let's see how many this one gets. Over and out.

You have a myriad of topics to discuss the things you're interested in. Why is it that some of you people constantly come to the topics you're not interested in only to start spreading your personal theories on forum users?
328  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 10, 2022, 01:45:52 PM
I gave you logical arguments. You ignored them all and just responded with ad hominem logical fallacy by saying that I don't understand bitcoin.

You described a bank account. You didn't describe how bitcoin works. On bitcoin I don't have to prove an address is mine, I have only to sign transaction if I want to spend.
On bank I have numbers in account. On bitcoin I have inputs that can be traced back to their inception.
So no, it's you who is missing the logic here. And by repeatingly doing that you prove it's you honor your paper deity, while I don't have to add anything.

Have a nice day.
I provided you evidence that bitcoin is a scam system that creates the illusion of asset. You ignored all the evidences, and started to talk about irrelevant things. You're not even responding to the theme of the topic.
329  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 10, 2022, 01:36:24 PM
But here's the news. It's all just an illusion. A mere narrative. Disinformation and misinformation. There's no digital asset, no money no revolution and no freedom. All there is, is a simple online scam. A scam in the form of a system for creating the illusion of digital asset. The system is designed for one purpose and one purpose only. To trick people out of their money. We will now explain how the scam operates. But first some insight.
It's all just an illusion? Can you argue with me if I say that your consciousness is an illusion created by your brain? If you ask me it's not because I feel when I touch, then have a good deep sleep and tell me about your vivid dreams.

What's your definition of a scam? Governments print tons of money and as a result, prices of everything, including goods and real estate are increasing, while the rate of wage increase is significantly lower. Can you make a conclusion from this? Riches are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, this is the real scam!

But in reality, fiat money is a debt-based asset. Numbers, on the other hand, just represent asset quantity.  Meaning, when people hold banknotes or deposits, the borrowers owe them economic benefits in the form of goods, services and labor.
Will it be misconduct if I say: Meaning, when people hold bitcoin, the borrowers owe them economic benefits in the form of goods, services and labor.

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You don't wanna understand that everything is very simple at the end. Imagine we create an island where only the new generation is born and raised and we teach them that plastic has the value, give them plastic coins and tell that they should work and save plastic coins to get rich and wealthy (and never teach them how to make plastic, just give them limited amount). In this informational vacuum, they'll believe it and work for it.
Maybe it's not a good example to clarify how things work but my main purpose is to make you understand social and psychological value of money.
A scam is when the only possible way for you to benefit from your investment is from funds contributed by new investors. A legitimate business is when you can benefit from the asset you invested in, such as debt (fiat/bonds), equity, commodity, real estate, etc.

Now, answer me: how can you benefit from a number that you have next to your address without new investors voluntarily entering the Satoshi's system?
330  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 10, 2022, 01:31:08 PM
You're the victim. Try to accept explanations of people that are trying to help you.

So you cannot prove anything by logic, so you decided to ask nicely?  Cheesy
Since this has been started, I'll also tell you my favorite quote on Bitcoin:

If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
I gave you logical arguments. You ignored them all and just responded with ad hominem logical fallacy by saying that I don't understand bitcoin.
331  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 10, 2022, 01:04:34 PM
Stop. Leave this place. Nobody agrees with you. Your plan to pathetically and obnoxiously enforce your point of view for the gazillionth time has failed. You don't convince anyone that bitcoin is meaningless. It has been repeatedly told you that the way you've understood bitcoin (and perhaps society as a whole?) is false.

You deserve this quote.
Quote from: Morpheus, The Matrix
Most of these people are not ready to be unplugged, and many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it.
Stop your obsession with the people that are trying to help you. Focus on the system that tricks you, in order for the anonymous scammers to get their hands on your asset.
332  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 10, 2022, 12:50:49 PM
You, by having number in a system, are not able to show asset. For e.g if you have number 1 attached to the addresses, compared to someone that has 0.0001, you are not able to show a thousand times more zeros and ones in the system in your possession. Digital asset is zeros and ones. So you own no digital asset. You just have fake number that creates the illusion of asset quantity, as described in OP. Simply, you're the victim of a scam.

You just proving that you have no idea at all how Bitcoin works. Sadly, what you've described is a bank account. Now ask yourself the right question...
You're the victim. Try to accept explanations of people that are trying to help you.
333  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 10, 2022, 12:46:22 PM
Fiat is debt that gets paid with every loan repayment. Banknotes and deposis are just the evidence of that debt. In the past you got gold for fiat. Today you get borrower's goods, services or labour. Debt is an asset.

Bitcoin is just another manifestation of the same debt.
In the past people have been using shells, or silver, or gold for the same job. Why can't we use Bitcoin? Because it's... digital? Or maybe because the governments cannot alter the value at will with inflation?
Even now, banks and governments use gold for the job. Why don't they just keep <only> the printed paper if it's so wonderful?


Bitcoin is a name that creates the illusion of asset. And thus, a scam. Those who are in the system are deceiving people by claiming they own asset or money while only name and numbers attributed to their addresses exist. That's why one can benefit only if new investors enter the system. Hence, classical investment scam.

Sour grapes much?
Bitcoin is a name. You, by having number in a system, are not able to show asset. For e.g, you by having number 1 attached to the addresses, compared to someone that has 0.0001, are not able to show a thousand times more zeros and ones in the system in your possession. Digital asset is zeros and ones. So you own no digital asset. You just have fake number that creates the illusion of asset quantity, as described in OP. Simply, you're the victim of a scam.
334  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 10, 2022, 12:24:36 PM
In that case, there is a Fiat Paradox as well.  Back when the Dollar was backed by Gold, you knew there was value behind that bank note.  But now, it is really just a rectangular peice of paper that promises nothing.  And people do sell their houses for it, although in reality it has no real value.  Look how much debt we are in.  Look how much USD has been printed since 2019.  The money in your bank account is just like Bitcoin, but completely centralized.  But USD's circulating supply can be increased or decreased by a governing power.  Bitcoin has no central power to decide core changes.

Then I think value is actually subjective.  If all of a sudden nobody thought USD had value, it will not have value any more.  If all of a sudden everyone thought Bitcoin was worthless, it becomes worthless.  We as a society decide what is valuable and what is not, otherwise precious metals would not become worth less during peaceful times and worth more during panic.  Its value changes depending on a number of conditions.

Is 'getting tricked out of real assets' the right way to go?  I would not say so.  Bitcoin CAN be changed, it CAN have infinite supply, it CAN be used in a bad way but it has no central point of failure and any attempt to wrongfully change it by a perpetrator would immediately be declined and reverted by the rest of the users as soon as they notice they have been deceived.  So even if it CAN do all of that, it does not mean it will.

Since Bitcoin still exists successfully even one decade later and nobody has proven it to be a scam and it has been able to provide real utility and value for a ton of users, I do not see any way we can categorize it as a 'scam' unless we want to fantasize about a parallel universe in which Bitcoin was created that way.  I, for one, do not percieve Satoshi Nakamoto as a deity but simply as a genius human or group of humans who were able to invent something never seen before (except failed previous attempts, of course).

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Regards,
PrivacyG
Fiat is debt that gets paid with every loan repayment. Banknotes and deposis are just the evidence of that debt. In the past you got gold for fiat. Today you get borrower's goods, services or labour. Debt is an asset.

Bitcoin is a name that creates the illusion of asset. And thus, a scam. Those who are in the system are deceiving people by claiming they own asset or money while only name and numbers attributed to their addresses exist. That's why one can benefit only if new investors enter the system. Hence, classical investment scam.
335  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / The Bitcoin Paradox - a Simple Online Scam Honored as Deity on: May 10, 2022, 05:33:08 AM
tl;dr
Bitcoin and crypto are simple online scams in the form of the systems for creating the illusion of assets(money). The illusion is created by misusing the concept of quantity and name. Quantity and name are representations of assets,  written on invoices, orders, accounts, deposits, banknots,... when assets such as debt, equity, commodity, real estate... are transferred between people. By writing down numbers and names, the crypto systems create the illusion of assets(money). In that way, they deceive people and trick them out of their real assets.

Video version: https://youtu.be/5k2n3dfK-zI

Long version:
Bitcoin is the name that pops up a lot in the last ten years. You see it on social media, television, newspapers, magazines, books. Your friends talk about it. Colleagues, politicians, businessmen and celebrities as well. People refer to this name as the money of the internet,  digital asset, or gold 2.0. Some view it as a revolution. Others, as freedom.

But here's the news. It's all just an illusion. A mere narrative. Disinformation and misinformation. There's no digital asset, no money no revolution and no freedom. All there is, is a simple online scam. A scam in the form of a system for creating the illusion of digital asset. The system is designed for one purpose and one purpose only. To trick people out of their money. We will now explain how the scam operates. But first some insight.

Whenever an asset is transferred between people, this is represented by quantity and name. These are recorded on invoices, orders, accounts, certificates, banknotes and so on. However, in many cases, people don't even see the asset that is being transferred. They just see quantity and name. For example, if you buy 100 shares of Tesla, you will see only the number 100 and the name TSLA written on brokerage account. Moreover, in some cases, people don't even know that the asset exists. The perfect example of this is fiat money. When you ask an average person what is fiat money they will answer what they see. So, they will answer: "fiat money is numbers on banknotes or deposit accounts."

But in reality, fiat money is a debt-based asset. Numbers, on the other hand, just represent asset quantity.  Meaning, when people hold banknotes or deposits, the borrowers owe them economic benefits in the form of goods, services and labor. The holders invested these benefits in banknotes or deposits, that were put in circulation with loans. And that is why, borrowers are forced (via mortgages and other liens) to trade goods, services or labor with the holders, to be able to repay the loans. In that way, borrowers settle the debt to the holders. But given that in the markets, people don't know which sellers are borrowers, they are not even aware that debt was settled to them. They are also not aware, that after such settlement banknotes or deposits went out of circulation. Due to this ignorance, people have misconceptions about fiat money.

With that in mind, now imagine a scammer. They don't own any asset. Which is why they want to get their hands on other people's assets. This scammer knows what we just described. They know that in the transactions, people often don't see the assets that are being transferred, but just numbers and names. So the scammer comes up with an idea. They will set up a system for creating the illusion of asset. The system will write down numbers and in that way people will be deceived that there's an actual quantity behind them. To complete the deception, the name is also needed. So, the scammer does the following. First they produce a name: "Bitcoin". Then, a number: "21 million". With the name, the scammer will create the illusion of asset's existence. And with the number, the illusion of asset's quantity. Then they set up a system with a database. The system will record the units of their imagined quantity next to the virtual addresses of people. Due to anonymity, no one would know how many addresses are associated with the scammer. Prior to seting up the system the scammer wrote a paper. In that paper they declared that whenever a number will be attributed to an address, that means that the address holder received bitcoins in the attributed quantity. Now the scammer has both ingredients needed to create the illusion of asset: quantity and name. Finally, in order to amplify the illusion, the scammer builds into the system a cryptographic protection of numbers. Because obviously, "the asset" needs to be protected. And now, the illusion is complete. All the scammer has to do now is wait for people naive enough to fall for his scam and start trading their real assets for the illusory (nonexistent) one.

Now, you would think, this scam is too obvious. No one will fall for it. Well, you would be wrong. The system that we described is of course not imagined. It is real. The scammer is called Satoshi Nakamoto.  And there is a whole army of naive and gullible people that fell for his scam. Not only that, some were even giving up  $70,000 worth of real assets, for one unit of Satoshi's nonexistent one. Others believe that Satoshi's system could be the start of a bigger revolution than the Internet itself. Books and articles are written about this revolution. Passionate believers organize conferences and events to talk about the system, or to celebrate it as if it is a gift from the sky. People even say that it might be the only thing that can save humanity. It is literally unbelievable, that a simple online scam was elevated nearly to the level of deity.

When other scammers saw how naive people are, and how easy is to trick them out of their money, they also started producing systems for creating the illusion of asset. The illusions, produced by these systems are known by the name "cryptocurrencies". And are now popping up all over the place like mushrooms after rain.

Traditional scams, which created the illusion of lucrative businesses or revolutionary products to trick people out of their money, are obsolete. So the scammers came up with new and sophisticated ones, which create the illusion of revolutionary money or digital assets. It is mind boggling how easy people fall for them. But hey, in was not in vain when Albert Einstein said: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe."

336  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is a Myth and not Real on: April 06, 2022, 06:50:20 PM
Well, I love dissenting opinions because it shape arguments or opinions. The poster's point of argument is as well as others who are opposing it. Possibly, the op is one who has read extensively in finance and economics and is quite conservative. It doesn't mean he is wrong. I feel that if the op can keep an open mind about Bitcoin and Satoshi for a split second, he or she might get to understand the concept of cryptocurrencies and may even be a proponent of it.
Well, I keep an open mind. That's why I am saying what I am saying. And of course, I cannot be the proponent of something I have never ever saw. I see people showing me their mobile apps, with some numbers on the screen. Sometimes these numbers are zero sometimes greater than zero. They say that they paid money to have the latter. But they have never ever showed me some digital coins in the quantity indicated with these numbers. Then I see people who spend electricity to keep the system running. They say they are paid for their investment of electricity with bitcoins. But again, all they are able to show me are those numbers that change in their mobile apps. No bitcoins, no coins, no assets, nothing digital, nothing tangible or intangible in their possession. So, I see people participating in a scheme where they're paying money or spending electricity to get numbers changed in their mobile apps. A I see people fantasizing about some valuable, precious and scarce coins that no one ever saw.

I'm interested in the Bitcoin Discussion board, but your shit thread keeps coming up.
I have a single thread. This one. If you're upset by it you're free not to participate here.
337  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is a Myth and not Real on: April 06, 2022, 02:51:15 PM
Satoshi is a lying bastard, we're all idiots who use something that doesn't exist, you're a very smart person who has never had alt accounts. Have I forgotten anything? Oh, right, and debt-based broken money FTW.

Can you get the hell outta here now?
If this topic is disturbing your inner peace it's better for you not to visit it.

Bitcoin's definitely not real, why else would people come in every now and then to say it's not, right?

Besides, what matters isn't if it's real but if it has an impact and an effect. Us talking here is evidence it has both.
What is the effect of giving someone real things because you believe unreal things are real? You download some app, pay $45K to get 0 changed to 1 and then you believe that you have a piece of something that's not real? What's the purpose of that?
338  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is a Myth and not Real on: April 06, 2022, 12:18:58 PM
So you would want people banned for telling the truth?

No, I didn't say that anyone should be banned. I was stating the fact that I can't find the thread we were discussing last week. I guess that the OP of that thread got banned and thread deleted for whatever reason. And I also stated the obvious fact that you showed up at the same time that thread got deleted. Interesting...
So, you have a theory on forum users... while the guy below wants to investigate forum users. But, why are you trolling this topic with your personal stuff?
Can anyone remember what was the username of the guy that wanted to let all of us know that Bitcoin doesn't exist? I can't remember but I have a feeling he got banned and that's why Snowshow appeared.


There have been a few. They all failed and left. Someone posted these before but there are many more alts of this person:

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It's tough to figure out if they are just a troll or to poor and living in their mom's basement to even afford 1 doge or just a nutjob fanatic who's cult leader does not like BTC or just someone who bought onecoin back in the day and is bitter about it.

-Dave

Putting you private investigation aside, saying that Zeus is not real doesn't mean that you don't like Zeus. That would be stupid, given you're saying it's not real. Saying that something is not real simply means that no evidence exist that would prove the existence of that thing. The same is with Bitcoin. There's no evidence that this coin exists. In the Satoshi's scheme all you get is a number changed when you pay money. No coins, no assets, nothing digital or physical to show. So no evidence exists that Bitcoin is real. Bitcoin is just a folklore genre consisting of narratives. It exists only as the product of human fantasy.
339  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is a Myth and not Real on: April 06, 2022, 11:15:35 AM
All I can say is that you should have a largely if not an overall view of the different beliefs and critiques surrounding bitcoin. Not coming into conclusion without proper findings and proof to back up false claims about it.
You call it a myth, but a useful myth worth millions of dollars.
What is worth millions of dollars is the property that one group of people transferred to another in order to get numbers changed next to their virtual address. All because they blindly believe a myth that they received a magical coin in the quantity of those changes.
The conspiracy theory claiming that Bitcoin is not real is one of my favorite Kiss

You know what? Bitcoin is scarce and finite, so being its users we favor from this conspiracy theory: there will be more bitcoins left for us. So please do keep thinking that Bitcoin is not real.
Claiming that bitcoin or Zeus don't exist is not a conspiracy theory but something factually correct. Claiming that bitcoin exists but being able to show only a number next to your address is something that is factually incorrect.

Can anyone remember what was the username of the guy that wanted to let all of us know that Bitcoin doesn't exist? I can't remember but I have a feeling he got banned and that's why Snowshow appeared.
So you would want people banned for telling the truth?
340  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Great Bitcoin Secret Revealed on: April 06, 2022, 08:36:30 AM
Ok, this discussion is getting nowhere. For that reason I decided to make a video for you guys. I will call it: "Bitcoin is a myth and not real." I will explain everything there. The video I attached in the OP is somehow misleading. When I created it I was thinking that bitcoin is a some kind of message. But throughout  the discussion in this topic I realized that bitcoin actually doesn't exist. We can say that I was also the victim of this widespread false narrative on bitcoin's existence. So I will delete that video and make a new one. Probably over the weekend. Stay tuned.
Like promised, here's the video: https://youtu.be/jcraRM6vblQ
since the discussion is getting nowhere then you may consider closing the thread instead? because it seems that majority does not even care of your effort to bring Bitcoin down and even no care of what is that video made for
I dunno man, you're not convincing me. If it's a myth, then it's a myth that's worth 880 billion dollars. The fact that it is something that can be used, or useful... means it DOES exist.
perhaps OP has intention that we can call Myth  Grin because no matter what he says , this is Bitcointalk.org forum in which majority is a Bitcoin supporters .
It's impossible to bring down or support something that's not real. It's possible only to suggest people not to behave irrationally by giving away their property just because a system of an anonymous guy is changing numbers next to their virtual address.

For a moment, lets say what you are saying is right. You need to be that anonymous guy and make sure your numbers are increasing against our bitcoin virtual address. Because these virtual addresses are black holes which will eat up all your fiat and banking money.  Smiley
Closing your eyes , love for banking system and hate for bitcoin will only make you at a loss by inflation while rest of us will have the financial freedom.  Cool
I never paid even a dime to have a number changed in the Satoshi's system. So it's your money that is eaten by black holes, not mine. My money, that is, my redeemable product (deposit) is still with me. And I don't love banks, the same as I don't love a retailer that issues gift cards or a casino that issues tokens. I am just using their redeemable products. And of course, when you enter the Satoshi's numeric scheme you have freedom, a freedom from your property.
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