Looks like a chain to me.
Well done, Stochastic. I can confirm that as well. The funds are coming from a payment chain. That is accurate. I confirmed with the main address taint analysis the address used in the payment chain: http://blockchain.info/taint/19ZQjwkHxn2BZpDLGZv6pmfGWQYpqkLvAL?reversed=trueBranch Address Taint Count
1N8ebzoMdfDHqUCDQB446Cuvux5iiDMaM4 0% 2
1MASgWqCaC5VtJjQx34SFzREL32L5cmWNq 0% 2
1JveA1VLm8NCovet8r9eDccyHqsGFHafRv 0% 2 This are address present in the transactions indicated by Namworld, Bogart and jarsumarsu. What would be the reason to pay in a chain rather than all at once? To keep an eye on the payments just in case of a mistake? When I follow the payment addresses through blockchain.info, it seems like each new payment is being sent from a new IP. |
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If the upstart business gave the person a frying pan then that would not be under SEC rules. This is exactly what growdfunding uses (and we do too) only the "frying pan" is virtual good. As I understand it, BTC is as much as money as frying pan or a Pokemon card in USA or anywhere else in this planet. Good idea. Users would have to understand this and agree too. |
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Got this email:
Your GLBSE account has been partially processed. 90% of your funds have been returned to you with this payment. Once we recieve (yes, GLBSE doesn't even know how to spell receive) the remaining funds from our treasurer and secretary the final payment will be made and you will be informed. We will also inform you when we process your assets, allowing you to continue your relationship with your issuer.
Also @Namworld, what will happen to my share of BTC-MINING?
Thats because Nefario is blackmailing the partners into paying him a wage for september. It seems he is only blackmailing you bitcoin.me as you are the only one willing take responsibility for being a partner of BitcoinGlobal. Although I am sure others are working behind the scenes to try to get everything taken care of, there has been no other person, not even Nefario, that will publicly accept responsibility. I would wait until the asset issuers get a list of record before doing anything. That is where the bulk of the value GLBSE holds. |
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Anyone able to post the time they got the payment on the way email compared to when it showed up in the block chain?
Mine has been over an hour and nothing yet, so I am looking for other data points.
The start of the payments went out at 2012-10-13 20:04:08 a160acaadf440c9a3786dd849fd3c1a548e157a22a6d8e81b955cb68e052a95f Just follow the chain to see many get paid. I did not receive an email until 10 hours later. |
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Why are you people so happy buying fake and illegal securities in non existing (fake) entities?
Why even issue this illegal stuff and call yourself a corporation, while you know, you are not representing any legally existing Co.
If your company is registered, and you offer shares to general public - you are breaking the laws in most of the countries that have internet access.
Obviously this opens the ugly door of SEC/FSA/OSC/... etc, who will start cracking down on this sooner or later and make everyone's life really miserable.
Why not get over the egotrip and start calling it what it is: crowd funding with BTC/LTC/PPC etc.
Because when something is offered as a dividend-paying investment it falls under securities legislation and not crowdfunding legislation. You're offering an investment. It's a security, regardless of what you call it. Attempts to hide unlicensed securities behind crowdfunding legislation (eg, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102010.0) wouldn't stand up for even a minute in court. Can you elaborate? If someone gets some kind of income or return on their capital input then that is not crowdfunding (for now). The JOBS Act that contains the crowdfunding provision does not kick in until Jan 1, 2012, and I believe the SEC will find a way to postpone the implementation or put up some arbitrary rules to slow its implementation until they have enough time to assess what way to better implement this law. If you give some kind of capital input to a upstart business and they give you ownership percentage that has the potential for capital gains or they give you dividends or other kinds of income, then that is not allowed under SEC regulations under some specific rules. You can't publicly solicit funds, you have to have a certain kind of investor, that they know the risks, such as have experience investing in risky investments, and that the total number of investors is not more than a certain amount. This is because they may potentially soliciting the public for funds. (you could make an argument that the bitcoin community is not the public at large) If the upstart business gave the person a frying pan then that would not be under SEC rules. I have invested in Cooperations (not corporations) before which was completely outside SEC jurisdiction and still legal. It is regulated by the state level as the cooperation does not allow ownership rights to citizens outside of the state where it is found. I think they publicly raised over $200,000 and have been around for over 2 years. |
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You should check the GLBSE trade history. If you are able to remember what your bids and asks were at you might be able to confirm the account you should receive back. |
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Some people are starting to get their bitcoins back. It would be beneficial for them to check these records to see if any of their bids or asks were fulfilled before GLBSE was unceremoniously shut down. I checked for mine and none sold so I know what number of assets and bitcoins I should receive.
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My bitcoins is in the returned chain. Also received the email: Your GLBSE account has been processed for bitcoin. The next step will be to send you information about your assets, and to provide this information to issuers (if you agreed) allowing you to continue your relationship with your issuers. |
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For those waiting for balance payments of more than 1-20 BTC being confirmed:
I received over 341 BTC in 3 payments for my 3 subaccounts
327.80 BTC 67da2dd49dd7a7e81099756246b95c33d855cece5c19a4e4a3de0d6441fbb369
11.60 BTC 6f6435591fc8628a757b4700fa60e050a04c2dc101e9f433b51c9708ba732ea5
3.80 BTC 3825092b294f3681b4fff65745230310835f7002ec37691cd6e7d8a312046c65
These are all rounded up to the .1 BTC from what I tracked. In the case of the 327.80 BTC, I was actually expecting 313.38 BTC. There was 14 BTC extra. Some sales/dividends probably have occurred between my last tracking and GLBSE closed.
Looks like this is the main stash http://blockchain.info/address/1AYY5pmP8a3i8eMzJgAFKGq9ZTybYnGQrUand a total of 5443 BTC paid out in that first round. Starting with this address: http://blockchain.info/address/19ZQjwkHxn2BZpDLGZv6pmfGWQYpqkLvAL |
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What does that prove?
If I want to claim I've received some funds I can just lookup any transaction in the blockchain and post it here.
I don't know myself, but many insist on having it. Looks like a chain to me. 1J7iu7Zg6KPUcp8gPBeV2vuXknwgNn9LZN Sends to: 18CoGAeLJzwG3iLkBj1vARYDWW7eC7qUQ1 327.8 BTC 1G8ssT1NLVRf5Sf8g8uz4QPUzSFxurU6bX 3,368.077 BTC Sends to: 18CoGAeLJzwG3iLkBj1vARYDWW7eC7qUQ1 3.8 BTC 1CAzvKFiFcGFEvRjTCGcjjoZMR4BCnkjpn 3,364.2765 BTC ( 3368.077 - 3.8 ) Sends to: 1KCd9zZHYuo6PQAT7vCSXXrtob8VGcvkMm 4.9 BTC 1DpGZdaVKCNuESSWEg2yokmi8DuPYShk2v 3,359.376 BTC ( 3364.2765 - 4.9 ) Sends to: ... and so on |
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nefario is forced to testify in a grand jury.. otherwise he'll get 18 months in prison.
Nefario's not even in the US. There's no such thing as a grand jury in the UK where he is. @Deprived We use a thing called extradition here...... but I'm not sure if that applies where you live. Was just pointing out how dumb that post by Trade Fortress was. Yes I know about extradition treaties - but unless/until nefario was extradited (a process which takes ages with all the appeals process in the UK) he wouldn't be facing 18 months in prison for not testifying. Not to mention that even in front of a grand jury he can't be forced to testify if doing so would incriminate himself (unless given immunity first). Just slip into the Ecuadorian embassy. |
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How do the other shareholders exit the situation? Legally, they probably can't. Morally, publicly stating their desire to do so and making all future actions as shareholders consistent with that promise is sufficient in my view. Morally, again, I think publicly stating a desire to sever all ties and making all future actions consistent with an attempt to undo the harm to the extent one is able to do so is sufficient in my view. All you can ask is that people do all they reasonably can. This is what I tried to say in my post in this thread earlier. We need to hear from Theymos and see by his actions that he accepts his responsibility. If not, I do not want to bear a Donator tag on this forum any longer, like I also said before, and ask Theymos to remove it. What actions can the dissenting shareholders take to sever all ties since it is basically impossible now to offload any shares of glbse ? Legally, nothing. You can't sell an obligation even if you have a willing buyer. If you could, I'd trade all my credit card debt to some homeless guy for a beer. Joel, you of all people have credit card debt? I just didn't take you for that kind of person ;-) I am surprised more people don't ask for his resignation. Even if Nefario pays out 100% of the claims it is still distressing that the site administrator does not know these basic concepts about business partnerships and responsibility. It perpetrates others in this community to also not take responsibility for their actions or investments. I would like to see a statement by theymos and other BitcoinGlobal partners accepting responsibility for GLBSE claims in the event that Nefario does not complete the claims process in a timely manner. A statement after Nefario completes the claim process will be too late. |
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A person can now open a 'company' and name a sockpuppet as CEO.
Nefario is not a sockpuppet, he's real: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmPD_YSQ--kThen when user funds get large blame the CEO for running off with the money. In the bitcoin world, when times get tough no one needs to blame Chinese relic dealers for stealing the funds. Just claim he is the CEO now. As a CEO YOU ARE 100% responsible for your company - not your shareholders, employees or customers. Do you also want to give everyone a scammer tag who invested in pirateat40, Bitcoinica, Matthew's bet,....? If one of Nefarios shareholders is responsible for all this, Nefario has to sort it out - not the community, because we don't have the details! pirateat40, Bitcoinica, and Matthew's bet were not general partnerships. BitcoinGlobal is a partnership and partnerships do not have limited liability. It is not a difficult concept for people to grasp. This is why governments have created business structures like limited liability companies and corporations so that these businesses can get lots of partners but the partners don't have to be vigilant about the management of the company. Go into the real world and start a partnership with someone. It could be anything: a car wash, a grocery store, or home building. Then watch someone get hurt in your business because one of your employees forgot to put up a "Caution: Wet Floor Sign". Tell me then if none of the partners of that business will not be held personally liable for the pain and suffering of that customer. This is why I always advise people not to form partnerships. If someone asks if they want me to invest/work in a company but is unwilling to only give me profit sharing instead of ownership, I say no. This is because if that partner screws up in any way, then I will be liable for their actions because I formed a partnership with them. If people want to have no government registration of their business, that is fine, but that person cannot cry if they don't get limited liability because that is only available if they registered a limited liability company or corporation to get government protection. Otherwise, they have unlimited liability and someone may be able to take your house, your car, or your special collection Night of the Living Dead book. I see no contract between nefario and the rest of the BitcoinGlobal partners that Nefario will be responsible for all debts and obligations of BitcoinGlobal and its subsidiaries. Thus, without any proof, each BitcoinGlobal member has unlimited liability for GLBSE debts and obligations. The ignorance on these forums is amazing. It is like arguing with Creationists. |
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bitcoin.me aka noagendamarket or theymos don't seem to be in control of the funds of GLBSE users - those guys do NOT deserve a scammer tag. It's nefarios responsibility to return the funds and the shares to the users of GLBSE. He clearly controls the domain name glbse.com. Innocent until proven guilty! Scammer tags are more like warnings than findings of guilt.
If that's the case those "scammer tags" should be renamed. A person can now open a 'company' and name a sockpuppet as CEO. Then when user funds get large blame the CEO for running off with the money. In the bitcoin world, when times get tough no one needs to blame Chinese relic dealers for stealing the funds. Just claim he is the CEO now. |
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One could argue that Nefario has stolen glbse. Bitcoinglobal has lost any control or means to influence the coins it contained, the server its hosted on and the domain. I hope people understand thats the situation.
Sorry, but I think if nefario really did steal GLBSE then you guys would have voted to remove him as CEO and posted the transcripts of doing so. If he is still CEO, then he the BitcoinGlobal partners are still allowing him to make the operational decisions, which includes shutting it down and accepting this claims process. I agree, It seems Theymos was outvoted and thus called being outvoted a scam (so much for democracy and by-laws). Seems he lost the election and to get revenge gave Nefario the tag. Theymos now claims he has no responsibility for this (in his mind, but might have admitted to legal responsibility in the real world). Since Nefario is supported by the by-laws and the other stock holders how again did he scam again? Seems so silly and this whole thing was rushed... Anyway I hope this gets resolved and the scammer tag process becomes clear or is just abandoned. Seems like right now its a tool for abuse (to protect Theymos' interests. I know this personally cuz Maged made threats claiming I would get a scammers tag if I did not do something he wanted me to do (related to GLBSE).. such corruption... It is time for a radical correction one way or the other. The Bitcoin Forum is a website meant to host free discussion of Bitcoin and related topics. It is operated as a service to the community, and all profit is reinvested into the forum. It was started in 2009 by Satoshi Nakamoto, the original creator of Bitcoin. It is now managed by Malmi Martti (Sirius), Stefan Thomas (justmoon), and Michael Marquardt (theymos). Donated funds are managed by theymos. I think people should think twice about donating funds to be managed by someone that refuses to take responsibility. |
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Hmm. bitcoin.me if you had sufficient management responsibility, and especially if you shared in making the decisions that have caused the separation of funds & assets from investors, then I think you may have a scammer tag. But, AFAICT, you had nothing to do with day-to-day operations of GLBSE, and had no part in the decisions that closed GLBSE & locked up our money & securities. So, you probably may not have a tag. Nice try though. Thanks.  I do appreciate that there's at least one person who's willing to stand up for their own actions. One could argue that Nefario has stolen glbse. Bitcoinglobal has lost any control or means to influence the coins it contained, the server its hosted on and the domain. I hope people understand thats the situation. Sorry, but I think if nefario really did steal GLBSE then you guys would have voted to remove him as CEO and posted the transcripts of doing so. If he is still CEO, then he the BitcoinGlobal partners are still allowing him to make the operational decisions, which includes shutting it down and accepting this claims process. |
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Welcome to Florida, the weirdest place on earth. |
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let's get back on topic
when will I get my btc back?
From which particular failed Bitcoin enterprise? There are so many. from glbse... Anyway, the answer to the question seems to be more or less the same for all of them... Nevermore, nevermore, nevermore.... What he said ^ Probably time to add more scammers to your signature. |
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The problem with USB hubs is there aren't any "good" ones. There are only okay ones. Newegg has 254 of them and none have significant numbers of high ratings. If you want one that probably won't fail too soon, I'd go with basically anything without horrific ratings from: Inland Bytec SIIG Koutech Belkin Hawking US Robotics Kensington TrendNet Sabrent A lot of those companies make some pretty bad ones but they also carry a couple that are pretty nice. Ultra "makes" really bad products but their hubs I've had a lot of luck with too. (they don't make anything, they buy OEM and put their name on it). if I had to buy one right this second, I'd say none of the above and get this beast: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4621333&CatId=392not a bad price either I have a D-Link DUB-H7 for 4 or 5 years now I think. I have never had any problems with it. The only problem is that it does not contain any USB 3.0 ports. |
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Theymos, you must admit your responsibility and act according to it or resign from your position on this forum until this situation is solved.
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