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321  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Which trading platform and why? on: July 29, 2013, 07:22:27 PM
www.legitcoinage.com covers all the alt-trading platforms.
322  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PrimeCoin... odds of finding a block on a solo miner... 19 days per CPU. on: July 29, 2013, 06:22:05 PM
The 19 july statistic is flowed
ypool fixed it block finding few days ago.. now you can see its finding 5-6 block per hour...

Also mine i5 haswell find a block per few days so not so bad, and i think diff started to drop a bit

what the???  There are now 4,420 miners?  So when did it go from 240 to 4,420?Huh!
323  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Changing a coin's proof of work? on: July 27, 2013, 10:53:48 PM
I wonder what the effect will be for existing blocks that used the older proof of work.

I think it won't have much effect.

The hash is of the program version, the hash of the previous block header, the hash of all the transactions in the block and a few other things. I don't see it referring directly to any of the previous blocks (only to the prevHash), so it should be fine.

Disclaimer: I am not an expert
you have to have backward compatibility for blockchain integrity checks but its not too hard to implement.
trivial case is to add something like
if (block.nheight < switchoverheight) {
  block.checkblockOld(hash);
} else {
  block.checkblockNew(hash);
}


This is all in theory.   Is there are coin that successfully pulled this off?
324  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Changing a coin's proof of work? on: July 27, 2013, 03:00:41 PM
It is probably possible, like mustyoshi said.

However, if that is to be done the difficulty has to be taken into account, since different hashing algorithms have different speeds. Moving from, say, SHA-256 to Keccak, would entail a significant hashrate alteration (some searching around gives me 12.5 cycles/byte for Keccak and 14.3 cycles/byte for SHA-256, a difference of ~15%), resulting in probable difficulty plunges or spikes. A good difficulty adjustment algorithm would be able to handle this properly.

If the re-target algorithm is fast enough, then this should not be too much of a problem.

I wonder what the effect will be for existing blocks that used the older proof of work.
325  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Changing a coin's proof of work? on: July 27, 2013, 01:14:38 PM
Has anyone does this yet?

Change a coin's proof of work after millions of coins have been mined?

326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Coins-E fail - dodgy, consider staying away on: July 25, 2013, 05:40:35 PM
Lol @ some of the notions expressed there...

"the daemon crashes and they have to restart it" - any sysadmin with 5 seconds experience could write a cron script to check a process each minute and restart them when they crash - ignorance is a two-way street buddy.

*sigh*

Just because it crashes doesn't mean the process ends.

Megacoin, for example, has a tendency to freeze under certain conditions. The process is still running, and it will even accept RPC requests, but it never responds. A watchdog would have a tough time realising that the daemon needs to be restarted.

Similarly, how would a watchdog know that the local chain is a fork and not the correct blockchain? These issues require manual intervention.

Finally, no sysadmin in their right mind would "write a cron script" (whatever that is, you're mixing technical terms that have nothing to do with each other) to poll ps and restart a process when all of the major init systems already support this functionality. The vast majority of major Linux distros nowadays use Upstart as their init system, and Upstart bakes in auto restart functionality, respawn limits, etc. A sysadmin may write a custom watchdog to poll RPC calls, or he may choose to write this functionality into an Upstart script.

You're right - ignorance *is* a two-way street.

Very interesting!!!!

Megacoin and Primecoin are both based on Bitcoin 0.8.3 code base.

Is there something about this code that causing stability issues?
327  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Pools (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] profit switching auto-exchanging pool - middlecoin.com on: July 25, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
I'm announcing middlecoin.com

It's a new mining pool with several features.

- Switches to the most profitable coin to mine, like multipool.in, but with several more coins. The switching code is accurate and fast. At the moment, it's monitoring 12 coins, with several more suspended.
- Automatically exchanges coins for bitcoins, and pays miners entirely in bitcoins.
- Predicts the value of the next block, for coins with variable block rewards.

There is no registration. Simply connect your scrypt miner to middlecoin.com:3333 with your bitcoin address as your username, and any password. Payouts are automatic, and occur once a day, if your balance is greater than 10 mBTC.

See the FAQ at http://middlecoin.com/faq.html

nice!
328  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Massive ZenithCoin GIVEAWAY! 25 COINS EACH! on: July 24, 2013, 02:16:41 AM
1Dbj9BZsuKvqEjXFGNDAsXb7ZUQ1fW2sCz

thank you!

ok 25 sent
329  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Massive ZenithCoin GIVEAWAY! 25 COINS EACH! on: July 24, 2013, 02:01:34 AM
1a4Bwyheka94fPWqFt9sJUCT73TvNqnPk

thanks!

25 sent!
330  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PrimeCoin; What's the deal? on: July 19, 2013, 09:00:18 PM
I'm curious of the efects of the network once difficulty gets really high and prime numbers to be found are insanely difficult to compute let alone verify by nodes to be efficient in any meaningful way.

That's the 1,000 XPM question.... as you go from a chain of length N to a chain of length N+1, how much does the difficulty actually change?

I think I saw an estimate that difficulty 8 was 30x harder to find chains for than difficulty 7. (But verifying just means checking one more prime, so it's only 1/7 harder in that case.)

Hmmm.. if there are 30 less chains from 7 to 8 then it should still be 30 times harder to find a new chain.  I don't think the extra check reduces the difficulty by much. (Just increases the individual effort, but I don't think percentage wise it is much)

BTW did anyone perform timing as to where in the code it spends most of its time?
331  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / PrimeCoin... odds of finding a block on a solo miner... 19 days per CPU. on: July 19, 2013, 02:32:47 PM
I am looking at the block chain explorer for Primecoin...

For the time July, 19, 2013 14:10:xx

http://primecoin.21stcenturymoneytalk.org/index.php?block_hash=3e9d0f652b456f42df6d714573ebd4cf237bc6b269cb54e7de2fea49f373851f

Block 65818  14:10:54

Block 65817  14:10:32

Block 65816  14:10:13

Block 65815  14:10:05

Block 65814  14:10:02

It appears like its like 5 blocks a minute.

Now I check YPool.net with 232 workers... http://www.ypool.net/stats.php

which gives an average of like 1:600 chance of finding a block for 232 workers.

So for the average miner CPU, the chance of finding a block is 1 in 139,200.

So the AVERAGE time of finding a block assuming current difficulty is 19 days!

Assumimg 12 coins per block. this boils down to .62 coins per day... at today's price of 1.4 USD = .868 a day... $26.04/month.   Double the average time... you'll get only $13.02 per month per CPU.






332  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PrimeCoin; What's the deal? on: July 19, 2013, 02:10:23 PM
I'm curious of the efects of the network once difficulty gets really high and prime numbers to be found are insanely difficult to compute let alone verify by nodes to be efficient in any meaningful way.

That's the 1,000 XPM question.... as you go from a chain of length N to a chain of length N+1, how much does the difficulty actually change?
333  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PrimeCoin; What's the deal? on: July 19, 2013, 02:08:49 PM
There is some use to the data gathered for pure mathematicians (disproving conjectures, possibly discovering new patterns). In the same way you get programs online that allow people to search for higher and higher prime numbers (often Mersenne primes). It's usefulness is in a similar vein to those. The coin in itself will also strongly motivate people to write efficient algorithms that crunch through prime numbers, so a by product of the coin could be a breakthrough in that direction. A lot of 'pure maths' doesn't (yet) have any real world applications. Over the last hundred years though time and again pure maths that was thought to not be useful was later found to be ideal for solving a problem.

At the end of the day it's still primarily a currency, with 1 minute confirmation times. That's it's main purpose. But as a bonus, at least the proof of work contributes to society in some way rather than meaningless forgotten hashes.

Good answer.
334  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WANTED: DEVELOPERS to develop a new coin along similar lines as Primecoin on: July 18, 2013, 08:44:03 PM
the block chain may be able to point to a url to retrieve the computation required for the block.
Once the URL target changes, the block can no longer be validated.

For a compuational to be valuable, there needs to be a means for the consumer of a computation to be able to submit data for computation.

335  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: WANTED: DEVELOPERS to develop a new coin along similar lines as Primecoin on: July 18, 2013, 01:56:36 PM
How about create a P2P (decentralized) cloud. which can be used to store data or computation.
This cloud can be used to host websites, host personal files, do distributed computation. It has a bitcoin-like block-chain to store the payments/transactions. Something similar to Namecoin but more dedicated.
I think it will be much useful.

You know you may be in on to something here.   Storing all the data required by the computation in the blockchain may be problematic for many classes.  So, the block chain may be able to point to a url to retrieve the computation required for the block.


336  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] A GPU miner for XPM is around the corner? (via CUMP). on: July 17, 2013, 04:43:05 PM
Another paper with a nice table, gives you some idea on how things will go.

http://trone.di.fc.ul.pt/images/e/e2/ASAP11-paper.pdf

GTS8800 [17] GTX8800 [10] GTX260 (This paper) GTX580 [39] Intel W3565 [46] AMD Phenom II 1090T [46]
Cores 112 128 192 512 4 6
Frequency (MHz) 1188 1350 1294 1544 3200 3200
Price (USD) 250 173 100 500 300 200
TDP (W) 150 155 202 244 130 125
GFLOPS 399 518 715 1581 102 153
Modexp/s 6504 11074 41426 149464 32608 77002
Modexp/s (scaled) 13052 15282 41426 46973 N/A N/A
Modexp/s/W 43 71 205 612 250 616
Modexp/s/USD 26 64 414 298 131 385
Table I
COMPARISONS OF MODULAR EXPONENTIATION PERFORMANCES ON VARIOUS CPU AND GPU IMPLEMENTATIONS.

looking at the numbers, looks like GPU is only around 2x CPU???
337  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Mass Market Appeal Coin - SantaCoin on: July 15, 2013, 09:06:15 PM
What are the features of the coin? If it's just another scrypt clone I don't see the point.

When the masses come in next year they're gonna buy into ideas that either sound good or ideas they agree with.  Some will buy a coin just cause it sounds cool or its associated with someone famous or has a good rep.  Hardly anyone is gonna ask well, does this one waste less energy than this one and are the transactions on this one faster than on bitcoin.


Very good point.

However, they are going to want and demand ease of use.   

If they all have to download a block chain to make use of the coin, then the deal is off!

338  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How can developers make a decent return for their work in crypto currency on: July 13, 2013, 12:04:34 PM


Also, to be honest, what development work is there on Noirbits besides changing some Litecoin parameters? I feel like I'm the only one not drinking the clonecoin kool-aid around here.

True.  Same as most every other coin out there.

It will however ultimately boil down to which coin adds more utility (i.e. services).  

Bitcoin clearly has superior services, however new devs should consider that Bitcoin has its own constraints that give new coins an opportunity to exploit.

Litecoin for example exploited the first problem,  the lack of decentralization of miners.

Other coins, will eventually exploit other flaws and have a chance to grow.

It is only the miners who care about 'pre-mine', 'insta-mine' B.S.   Actual users don't care.

In fact, the russian coins... NVC and CopperLark  have held on to high prices because they control the mining.
339  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How can developers make a decent return for their work in crypto currency on: July 13, 2013, 11:59:11 AM
i am starting to believe in the hard coded thing. I have been considering methdos of reserving then taking addresses.

Example, i create a new coin. I have hardcoded 10 addresses to each receive 0.3 %

the first one is mine, the next two will be for the two best pools over a period of 1 month. The next two are for The first two exchanges to take the coin.
One will be for a faucet, another for manual bounties and another for giveaway. the last two will be reserves in case the dev team needs a hot wallet.



The miners really have  a different perspective.

But honestly, over time it will change.  It is just not sustainable an environment and there seems to be little reward for innovation.

Imagine if every startup had to sell all its shares to the public and the stakeholders had to buy it back.

Anyway, that's why I built ZenithCoin,  to test out the theory.

340  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: ZenithCoin (ZTC) Giveaway Thread! on: July 13, 2013, 11:50:29 AM
More coins recently mined.... more coins to give away!

Download the client ... or use the instawallet.

Get some free coins!
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