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3201  Other / Meta / Re: theymos: I don't recognize Ripple IOUs as binding agreements. on: May 21, 2013, 09:20:15 PM

The opinion of theymos isn't either.
3202  Other / Meta / Re: theymos: I don't recognize Ripple IOUs as binding agreements. on: May 21, 2013, 09:13:55 PM
Could you reference the contract? The only contract I see is here:

https://ripple.com/terms/

Theymos is correct about it, it isn't binding.


That's between Opencoin and whoever using ripple.

Here is the ledger of TF: https://ripple.com/graph/#rH3bZsvVUhzugvcYuJVoSYCEMHkfK6wHNv

Yahoo answers tends to agree with me:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20121206181148AAUHiy0
3203  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple XRP on: May 21, 2013, 08:06:49 PM
Dollar parity this year is kind of likely. But that also would mean stagnation of BTC prices.
3204  Other / Meta / theymos: I don't recognize Ripple IOUs as binding agreements. on: May 21, 2013, 06:50:26 PM
I don't recognize Ripple IOUs as binding agreements.

I don't know if you guys are following the TradeFortress vs Ripple drama, but as it turned out it raises the issue of how to threat ripple IOUs in the future.
Now theymos made the above statement, which I must say I have a problem with.

It is self contradictory to use ripple and at the same time not recognize IOUs as a form of contract. I would like to have a detailed explanation of how and why anybody thinks Ripple IOUs do not represent a binding agreement.
Was that just for the case of TFs "game" or in general? Should ripple users post a new forum thread "validating" their thrust relationship each time they enter into one?

I also see a potential conflict of interest since TF payed for advertising the ripplescam.org site on the Forum, and theymos taking partisan.
3205  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress is a scammer. on: May 21, 2013, 06:30:28 PM
I don't recognize Ripple IOUs as binding agreements.

Why?
3206  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why regulation will absolutely NOT cause Bitcoin price to go down. on: May 21, 2013, 01:58:29 AM
"regulation" as you Libertarians call it (really just compliance with money laundering laws)
  Huh Huh Huh

I assumed this is in response the the mtgox/dwolla account seizure, cuz that is what that was about. What else can it be?

Ah ok, I thought you were saying that money laundering laws weren't regulations!  Cheesy

Regulation of exchanges =/ regulation of Bitcoin
3207  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why regulation will absolutely NOT cause Bitcoin price to go down. on: May 21, 2013, 01:43:49 AM
"regulation" as you Libertarians call it (really just compliance with money laundering laws)
  Huh Huh Huh

I assumed this is in response the the mtgox/dwolla account seizure, cuz that is what that was about. What else can it be?
3208  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why regulation will absolutely NOT cause Bitcoin price to go down. on: May 21, 2013, 01:39:59 AM
What has "regulation" as you Libertarians call it (really just compliance with anti money laundering laws) to do with a fixed (non-floating) exchange rate?
3209  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress VERY untrustworthy, owes me 10.15 BTC, possibly others. on: May 21, 2013, 01:14:55 AM
As usual, my understanding of things is always suspect, so if anyone would like to point out any boneheaded things I've said in expressing my understanding of this situation, please go ahead.

So you are basically cheering for separating suckers from their money. I have done that as well some times, but never serious.
3210  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bank Funded Staged Terrorist Event in an attempt to control Bitcoin on: May 21, 2013, 12:52:55 AM
IRL facepalm
3211  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress VERY untrustworthy, owes me 10.15 BTC, possibly others. on: May 21, 2013, 12:39:21 AM
It doesn't matter what Tradefortress said or how he formulated it.

Rule of Acquisition #17 states that "A contract is a contract is a contract,"
The irony is real governments around the world see that exactly the same way.

Tradefortress you dun goofed.
Right, but I have not signed a contract. A Ripple IOU is not a contract (we went through this already), and theymos has the same position.

That doesn't matter if even one of those deceived has the balls to sue you. And the greatest irony is if you loose the case you would have given ripple the biggest stamp of legitimacy currently thinkable.
3212  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress VERY untrustworthy, owes me 10.15 BTC, possibly others. on: May 21, 2013, 12:20:27 AM
It doesn't matter what Tradefortress said or how he formulated it.

Rule of Acquisition #17 states that "A contract is a contract is a contract,"
The irony is real governments around the world see that exactly the same way.

Tradefortress you dun goofed.
3213  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress VERY untrustworthy, owes me 10.15 BTC, possibly others. on: May 21, 2013, 12:01:32 AM
Whether TradeFortress is honest or not his shennanigans reveal Ripple is a tremendous security vulnerability for anyone who uses it, unless you use an utterly paranoid set of precautions that have yet to be worked out.

Bullshit, it's only when the participants do not understand the concept of trust. By that logic pirateat40 revealed a tremendous security vulnerability too.
Yes, but pirate didnt say, I am taking your money and not giving it back. 

Tradefortress said that here is an IOU I WILL NOT HONOR. 

In a sense IOU is a contract too.
Yes, it is.  And if someone handed you a contract that they said they were not going to honor, would you accept it then try to push to get it fulfilled? 

Yes. And I would sue them too.
3214  Other / Meta / Re: Ripple trying to take over the Bitcoin Discussion thread on: May 20, 2013, 11:56:53 PM
I have just been at bitcoin conference in san Jose ca, this was a great thing for bitcoin. One thing I noticed while at the conference is there where heaps of ripple employees/promoters their pretending to be bitcoin users and supporters. They where very sneaky and have also disguised themselves on this forum as bitcoin users by building up lots of posts. Have have seen ripple for what it is now. ripple is a group of people trying to fool people into using their system and their own crypto currency to get rich and hold a monopoly on the market.
ripple is not decentralized.
ripple is polluting bitcoin. they do not like bitcoin and this can be seen easily when speaking to them face to face. don't be fooled by clever marketing.
Ripple should only ever be discussed in alternate crypto section.

I am re posting this hear because it was deleted from the ripple for bitcoin users discussion.

So it is like Ripple is the Romney campaign with paid supporters while Bitcoin is the Ron Paul campaign with unpaid grassroots supporters.

How many BTC has Tradefortress spent yet btw?
3215  Other / Meta / Re: Ripple trying to take over the Bitcoin Discussion thread on: May 20, 2013, 11:46:58 PM
We need more ripple paranoia.
3216  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress VERY untrustworthy, owes me 10.15 BTC, possibly others. on: May 20, 2013, 11:42:16 PM
Of course pirateat40 did. Trust and greed are the opening for many security vulnerabilities.

I'd say it's rather greed that's a security vulnerability to trust.
3217  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress VERY untrustworthy, owes me 10.15 BTC, possibly others. on: May 20, 2013, 11:31:47 PM
Whether TradeFortress is honest or not his shennanigans reveal Ripple is a tremendous security vulnerability for anyone who uses it, unless you use an utterly paranoid set of precautions that have yet to be worked out.

Bullshit, it's only when the participants do not understand the concept of trust. By that logic pirateat40 revealed a tremendous security vulnerability too.
Yes, but pirate didnt say, I am taking your money and not giving it back.  

Tradefortress said that here is an IOU I WILL NOT HONOR.  

In a sense IOU is a contract too.
3218  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress VERY untrustworthy, owes me 10.15 BTC, possibly others. on: May 20, 2013, 11:09:54 PM
Whether TradeFortress is honest or not his shennanigans reveal Ripple is a tremendous security vulnerability for anyone who uses it, unless you use an utterly paranoid set of precautions that have yet to be worked out.

Bullshit, it's only when the participants do not understand the concept of trust. By that logic pirateat40 revealed a tremendous security vulnerability too.
3219  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: TradeFortress VERY untrustworthy, owes me 10.15 BTC, possibly others. on: May 20, 2013, 10:56:53 PM
You are taking that vendetta of yours too a little too far.
3220  Economy / Speculation / Re: You guys gonna become paranoid about Ripple on: May 20, 2013, 05:35:20 PM
Shameless self bump, I'm seeing it pop up in every discussion, meanwhile the FUD machine is in high gear, steering into a brick wall (end of beta)

How many Bitcoins have the ripplescam.org guys already payed?
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