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Unfortunately I've had to put monsterer on ignore. I really thought he was going to be of great assistance and I am shocked at this result. My original judgement was that he was very smart and mathematical, and I had great respect for him.
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Cryptodromeda's point may be that you miss the obvious sometimes. And design work is part of marketing.
Everyone misses the obvious sometimes ( and especially when rushing and not trying to be exacting), and my point is Monero folks think they know everything and don't need to listen to anyone. And they censor what they don't want to hear. And they never identified their strategic market. Design work is one (small) aspect of implementing a marketing strategy. Marketing is about identifying markets and the necessary implementation to achieve those markets. So graphic design is very far down the food chain of marketing (except perhaps in an arena where graphical arts is the major component of the market, e.g. selling art). |
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I saw your quick/draft logo, did you decide on a name for your project? (I might of missed you talking about it).
Yes I did and it isn't any of the names mentioned in this thread. You might be able to deduce it from the rough sketch of a brainstorming idea for a logo I did upthread. Btw, thanks for all the feedback and help on brainstorming names upthread. |
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Surely time itself is a straight line
Impossible because there is no global clock. Time is relative to the observer, thus the word linear is an entirely inapplicable concept to a metric which only has partial orders. For example, they reflect the fact that observers moving at different velocities may measure different distances, elapsed times, and even different orderings of events |
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Get some sleep, and come back to this later  No need. I already pointed out that you continue spamming the thread with obvious errors. |
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Surely time itself is a straight line
Impossible because there is no global clock. Time is relative to the observer, thus the word linear is an entirely inapplicable concept to a metric which only has partial orders. For example, they reflect the fact that observers moving at different velocities may measure different distances, elapsed times, and even different orderings of events |
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PoW has a value. The electricity burned by the entire bitcoin network attempting to produce one block costs 25 BTC on average, because overall, PoW mining is equilibrium centered around break even. Therefore, as the recipient of a transaction for 25 BTC, it stands to reason that I can wait for 25 BTC worth of PoW to get appended to the chain after my transaction appears in a block, because any double spend of this transaction after that point would not be profitable for the miner, since they must expend that amount of PoW to achieve the double spend.
I get frustrated because this post of yours ignores what I wrote in the prior post. There is no such equilibrium because not all miners have the same costs for the same difficulty. Also you can't assume they didn't double-spend more than one transaction. Those are just really obvious errors. I shouldn't even need to make this post. You should have thought of that before making the post and thus realized not to make the post. (I been awake too long and my forehead wants to fall on the keyboard, and even in this dilapidated mental state I can easily see those errors) |
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If you're willing to target recent x86 exclusively, then you can increase resistance by employing the AES-NI instruction.
That is not one but rather a group of instructions. Perhaps you just typoed the missing 's'. One of those instructions was of particular focus of mine. I wasn't sure if it was one or multiple, but was too lazy to figure out which:-( Thanks for correcting... Hmmmm . . . just reading that iPhones have had AES hardware since the iPhone 5S . . . although I'm reading that the AES chip sits between the flash and the main CPU - perhaps meaning it can only be used to encrypt/deprypt data going to/from the flash. If not, perhaps iPhones could be used for efficient mining . . memorycoin, cryptonight, maybe HODLCoin soon enough Understand that I am working on a new concept for unprofitable PoW mining, in which it is not critical that that the PoW hashrate for phones be at par with anything; they will still add to the total systemic hashrate which makes my design more secure. Note that it would be problematic if phones are 100X slower or less efficient on the PoW than desktops. |
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If you're willing to target recent x86 exclusively, then you can increase resistance by employing the AES-NI instruction.
That is not one but rather a group of instructions. Perhaps you just typoed the missing 's'. One of those instructions was of particular focus of mine. I wasn't sure if it was one or multiple, but was too lazy to figure out which:-( Thanks for correcting... Hmmmm . . . just reading that iPhones have had AES hardware since the iPhone 5S . . . although I'm reading that the AES chip sits between the flash and the main CPU - perhaps meaning it can only be used to encrypt/deprypt data going to/from the flash. If not, perhaps iPhones could be used for efficient mining . . memorycoin, cryptonight, maybe HODLCoin soon enough Understand that I am working on a new concept for unprofitable PoW mining, in which it is not critical that that the PoW hashrate for phones be at par with anything; they will still add to the total systemic hashrate which makes my design more secure. Note that it would be problematic if phones are 100X slower or less efficient on the PoW than desktops. |
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My point is if they have no clue where they are headed marketing wise.
 Coming from the person who brought us knife fork and plate coin. Thanks for proving me correct. Graphic arts is not marketing. Try rereading my post to understand that I pointed out Linux's marketing was the identification of a synergy with a natural need of corporations to replace proprietary operating systems. Monero's current technology does not synergize with corporations and private block chains for corporations is the only viable (legal) market I see for anonymity. Thus Monero has failed to do the most basic marketing analysis that one does before starting a project. Those who confuse marketing with promotion exemplify their total lack of knowledge of the field of marketing. As you well know I explained in the Aeon thread that I was brainstorming and produced that image in 30 seconds as a way to exemplify what didn't work visually and why. Monero/Aeon community only know how to attack and never to listen, learn, and be receptive to all open source input. That is why your coin projects will crash and burn. |
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The Monero Devs are developing the tech first, market second and are using the motto of "under promise and over deliver," whereas it seems you are working under the motto of "Over promise, say it's impossible and then move onto the next idea," which is still better than the dash motto, "Over promise and say you've got a better idea when most people figure out that you lied or can't deliver."
My point is if they have no clue where they are headed marketing wise, then the tech is likely to be wrong. And I think that has become the case. I see a complete rewrite will be necessary to adopt Zerocash technology and to fix the block scaling, mining Tragedy of the Commons. |
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How come you are cross posting from all these different threads into your blog right here?
Because your master smooth has been regularly censoring my posts in your Monero Speculation thread. And he tried to convince GingerAle to censor some of my posts in the Monero Technical Improvement thread. So to be safe (since it is difficult to copy them from PMs after they are deleted), I copy them to my thread to exemplify how ridiculous it is that you all are censoring crap and forcing me to put Monero discussion in my thread instead of the official Monero threads.
The Monero Devs are developing the tech first, market second and are using the motto of "under promise and over deliver," whereas it seems you are working under the motto of "Over promise, say it's impossible and then move onto the next idea," which is still better than the dash motto, "Over promise and say you've got a better idea when most people figure out that you lied or can't deliver."
My point is if they have no clue where they are headed marketing wise, then the tech is likely to be wrong. And I think that has become the case. I see a complete rewrite will be necessary to adopt Zerocash technology and to fix the block scaling, mining Tragedy of the Commons.
My point is if they have no clue where they are headed marketing wise.
Coming from the person who brought us knife fork and plate coin. Thanks for proving me correct. Graphic arts is not marketing. Try rereading my post to understand that I pointed out Linux's marketing was the identification of a synergy with a natural need of corporations to replace proprietary operating systems. Monero's current technology does not synergize with corporations and private block chains for corporations is the only viable (legal) market I see for anonymity. Thus Monero has failed to do the most basic marketing analysis that one does before starting a project. Those who confuse marketing with promotion exemplify their total lack of knowledge of the field of marketing. As you well know I explained in the Aeon thread that I was brainstorming and produced that image in 30 seconds as a way to exemplify what didn't work visually and why. Monero/Aeon community only know how to attack and never to listen, learn, and be receptive to all open source input. That is why your coin projects will crash and burn.
Cryptodromeda's point may be that you miss the obvious sometimes. And design work is part of marketing.
Everyone misses the obvious sometimes ( and especially when rushing and not trying to be exacting), and my point is Monero folks think they know everything and don't need to listen to anyone. And they censor what they don't want to hear. And they never identified their strategic market. Design work is one (small) aspect of implementing a marketing strategy. Marketing is about identifying markets and the necessary implementation to achieve those markets. So graphic design is very far down the food chain of marketing (except perhaps in an arena where graphical arts is the major component of the market, e.g. selling art).
I've also noticed that Monero has been inserting itself in numerous Wikipedia pages. Here is an example: Other platforms which refute Zooko's conjecture, include: Twister and Monero OpenAlias.
Monero seems to have not understood that willynilly promotion is useless[counterproductive and perceived as spam] without a marketing strategy. |
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Come on. Corporations is where the meat & potatos is for privacy block chains likely will be.
You guys spent hours debating me on Monday that corporations have no use for blockchains...  In our prior discussion about Bitshares, I explicitly excluded smart contracts and IoT. I had agreed with smooth that Daniel Larimer's DACs (Decentralized Autononomous Corporations) seem to have no application to reality, because a corporation by definition is a hierarchical structure. If corporations are not hierarchical (and not with a representative voting structure), then we don't need corporations and we can just have decentralized individuals interacting via smart contracts on a block chain. Please review the posts I made in that Nxt thread to confirm what I said. @TPTB At least we can agree on something... that Zerocash provides superior anonymity. I have been saying this for a long time, and is the reason I never got on the Monero train. I have always said that eventually better anonymity technology would come out and render Monero outdated and useless since it is its one and only feature.
And I even recently explained Monero's block chain tech does not solve the mining Tragedy of the Commons. I recently bought some Monero because their marketing is on point on this forum (aka spam...), but I am going to be betting big on Zcoin when it is out of alpha.
I know you're going to respond with the "Zcoin is fundamentally flawed"
It is Z.cash, not Zcoin. Zerocoin was an older version of the technology which is inferior. My major complaint is that Z.cash will be requiring miners to pay 11% of the coinbase mining rewards to the corporation. That violates FinCEN guidance that would require all miners to register as MSBs and it will incentivize others to fork the block chain to remove the subsidy. And they do not have my block chain tech so scaling will be an issue, but either they can copy mine (or similar) or vice versa. And my interest in their technology is not for their block chain tech. Other than that, I am interested in the project. Note I reserve the right to find other flaws in Zerocash in the future. b.s. you say about every cryptocurrency, and follow it up with "I am 100x smarter than you peasant.
Please read how a B-lister behaves and realize comments such as the above fit the description. Elevate your discourse to A-lister if you can. I have been doing this since 1842, and you are a child, scammer and a fool."
Not understanding some of key weaknesses of PoS and the hyperbole Bitshares promulgates exemplifies that I was correct about your inexperience. It doesn't mean you can't learn and that you won't sometimes have good insight. I can see some intellect and potential from you, but you need to learn to stop that B-lister crap and distinguish expertise from bullshit. However, I am just going to ignore it because you don't understand how cryptocurrencies derive their value, and you can't be convinced that you are wrong about anything. (hint: it does not 100% have to do with the technology of the cryptocurrency... although technology is a plus)
There you go again. And the adoption of Bitshares is 2 or 3 users? I forgot. |
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Who the hell is Bob Surplus. I used to watch Sanford & Son, does that apply? |
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May I please ask where is the official Monero thread on BCT where I can post my marketing thoughts freely and be on topic? Is there no official thread for Monero for discussing marketing   Probably not. It is an open source project, not a product. If you want to market a product, you should probably team up with people who are offering Monero-based products such as MyMonero, CryptoKingdom, etc. (or create your own such product and market it, of course). There was a Monero Economy Workgroup (run by Risto) which was to promote and coordinate such product activities but it seems there was little sustained interest from him or others and it is being disbanded. As you probably know, I think that is an entirely clueless response, but the explanation for the dissonance between us is at the following linked post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg13636077#msg13636077Marketing always applies, even applied to Linux. If you don't comprehend your business model, then you are going to remain adrift at sea. I hope you seriously think about the fact that you really want to copy Linus and thus you better start focusing on how businesses are going to take interest and fund your open source. I am telling you that sincerely, in spite of any very minor damage any of my posts might do to speculator interest in Monero. Please try to take it constructively. But you do what ever you want of course. I will inhibit myself from posting in this thread again (ditto other official Monero threads), if you will kindly not delete this post. No worries it will soon get buried any way in this 622 page thread. |
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Smooth is demanding that I post my marketing thoughts in a separate thread from my technical thoughts, breaking the conversation continuity up across multi-threads. It was not my desire to post again in this Monero Speculation thread, but it is only official Monero thread I am aware where I can post marketing thoughts that impact speculation decisions on Monero. Where on BCT is the official Monero thread for having open discussions? You can create your own thread(s) with whatever topic(s) you want.
When a thread starter creates a thread with a specific topic, off topic posts are not allowed, and on a self-moderated thread the thread starter can set any rules for participation (I guess as long as the rules don't conflict with forum rules). That is a forum rule, not my rule.
Posts about marketing that directly relate to speculation (are causing price to drop/increase, will cause price to drop/increase, etc.) are on-topic here, as long as it isn't repetitive. Repeating points already discussed recently is not allowed.
May I please ask where is the official Monero thread on BCT where I can post my marketing thoughts freely and be on topic? Is there no official thread for Monero for discussing marketing
That is Announcement thread which is bumped like crazy with noise. Is there no serious discussion thread for open Monero discussion especially pertaining to marketing?
May I please ask where is the official Monero thread on BCT where I can post my marketing thoughts freely and be on topic? Is there no official thread for Monero for discussing marketing Probably not. It is an open source project, not a product. If you want to market a product, you should probably team up with people who are offering Monero-based products such as MyMonero, CryptoKingdom, etc. (or create your own such product and market it, of course). There was a Monero Economy Workgroup (run by Risto) which was to promote and coordinate such product activities but it seems there was little sustained interest from him or others and it is being disbanded. As you probably know, I think that is an entirely clueless response, but the explanation for the dissonance between us is at the following linked post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1219023.msg13636077#msg13636077Marketing always applies, even applied to Linux. If you don't comprehend your business model, then you are going to remain adrift at sea. I hope you seriously think about the fact that you really want to copy Linus and thus you better start focusing on how businesses are going to take interest and fund your open source. I am telling you that sincerely, in spite of any very minor damage any of my posts might do to speculator interest in Monero. Please try to take it constructively. But you do what ever you want of course. I will inhibit myself from posting in this thread again (ditto other official Monero threads), if you will kindly not delete this post. No worries it will soon get buried any way in this 622 page thread. |
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That is Announcement thread which is bumped like crazy with noise. Is there no serious discussion thread for open Monero discussion especially pertaining to marketing? |
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May I please ask where is the official Monero thread on BCT where I can post my marketing thoughts freely and be on topic? Is there no official thread for Monero for discussing marketing |
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I can post the IRC log but it's long and rather pointless.
I personally would prefer to read the transcript than your one-sided summary of what transpired. Plz don't be offended. If you can't produce it, then it didn't happen. I edited my last comment.. i re-offer my deal with you guys  And i will see if i can dig up that IRC log and put it on paste bin or something maybe. I didn't think anyone would want to read a looong argument between me and smooth  EDIT:The previously mentioned chat log with smooth from IRC 2 days ago.. http://pastebin.com/V5EUay2uThe comments from that transcript that stuck out for me are: [02:21] <smooth> you know who else fucking donated to help support development? 00[02:21] <Spoetnik> ifi wanted to bury your crew i would eh [02:21] <smooth> me, you idiot [02:21] <smooth> and most of the other developers 00[02:22] <Spoetnik> all i would have to do is compare you comments from round 1 to round 2 [02:22] <smooth> out of our own fucking pockets I believe the Monero/Aeon folks put a lot of their effort, time, and money into Monero. I sincerely feel empathy for them when reading that. I know from my own failures, how painful it is to have to admit that such enthusiasm didn't work out as planned. Being able to take the axe to the desks as I once did, walk away and start fresh is much more efficient than hanging on to the umbilical cord until the placenta has dried and shrivelled into shoe leather. It is difficult for me to only feel empathy, because their entire overriding philosophy of dominating a sector by stealingadopting Bytecoin's source code and then bashing in anyone's head who tried to argue that the model of socialism they were adopting for a business model was deeply flawed. I have now come to the conclusion that these are guys who are smart in coding, and had some experience at running businesses or being contractors related to computer programming but when they hatched this braindead idea of Monero they were trying some idealistic fantasy and out-of-their-competency/experience level. Perhaps some of these guys have contributed to the Linux kernel or otherwise felt they understood open source development and could apply it here. One of the key differences from Linux is that crypto currency serves primarily speculators unless one invents a design to serve actual adoption markets. Linux was competing over the long-term with proprietary OSes and so many businesses had a compelling interest to fund and join in its development. I have tried to explain to Monero that until they get an adoption market targeted to businesses (given they have no chance in hell of marketing directly to the masses, because their historical experience makes them unqualified), then they will not be able to apply the Linux business model and instead will be in this circle-jerk business model of greater fool, zero-sum speculation community morass that causes them to feel they need to ill-treat other developers and marketers such as myself. The brow beating and censorship on forums will never inspire great innovators to join them. All-in-all I want to emphasize I don't dislike smooth. He helped me and has been enormously empathetic to my illness. I don't wish any ill will or outcome for him. I just have concluded that he and I have different areas of expertise and experience and so much so that it makes us incompatible when evaluating the best vision for running a crypto project. |
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I can post the IRC log but it's long and rather pointless.
I personally would prefer to read the transcript than your one-sided summary of what transpired. Plz don't be offended. If you can't produce it, then it didn't happen. I edited my last comment.. i re-offer my deal with you guys And i will see if i can dig up that IRC log and put it on paste bin or something maybe. I didn't think anyone would want to read a looong argument between me and smooth EDIT:The previously mentioned chat log with smooth from IRC 2 days ago.. http://pastebin.com/V5EUay2uThe comments from that transcript that stuck out for me are: [02:21] <smooth> you know who else fucking donated to help support development? 00[02:21] <Spoetnik> ifi wanted to bury your crew i would eh [02:21] <smooth> me, you idiot [02:21] <smooth> and most of the other developers 00[02:22] <Spoetnik> all i would have to do is compare you comments from round 1 to round 2 [02:22] <smooth> out of our own fucking pockets I believe the Monero/Aeon folks put a lot of their effort, time, and money into Monero. I sincerely feel empathy for them when reading that. I know from my own failures, how painful it is to have to admit that such enthusiasm didn't work out as planned. Being able to take the axe to the desks as I once did, walk away and start fresh is much more efficient than hanging on to the umbilical cord until the placenta has dried and shrivelled into shoe leather. It is difficult for me to only feel empathy, because their entire overriding philosophy of dominating a sector by stealingadopting Bytecoin's source code and then bashing in anyone's head who tried to argue that the model of socialism they were adopting for a business model was deeply flawed. I have now come to the conclusion that these are guys who are smart in coding, and had some experience at running businesses or being contractors related to computer programming but when they hatched this braindead idea of Monero they were trying some idealistic fantasy and out-of-their-competency/experience level. Perhaps some of these guys have contributed to the Linux kernel or otherwise felt they understood open source development and could apply it here. One of the key differences from Linux is that crypto currency serves primarily speculators unless one invents a design to serve actual adoption markets. Linux was competing over the long-term with proprietary OSes and so many businesses had a compelling interest to fund and join in its development. I have tried to explain to Monero that until they get an adoption market targeted to businesses (given they have no chance in hell of marketing directly to the masses, because their historical experience makes them unqualified), then they will not be able to apply the Linux business model and instead will be in this circle-jerk business model of greater fool, zero-sum speculation community morass that causes them to feel they need to ill-treat other developers and marketers such as myself. The brow beating and censorship on forums will never inspire great innovators to join them. All-in-all I want to emphasize I don't dislike smooth. He helped me and has been enormously empathetic to my illness. I don't wish any ill will or outcome for him. I just have concluded that he and I have different areas of expertise and experience and so much so that it makes us incompatible when evaluating the best vision for running a crypto project. |
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