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3201  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 29, 2014, 06:40:20 PM
Can anyone tell me what is going on here:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-action-spilno-tv

Looks like Kiev? Someone does not want that this whole thing gets filmed. They talk Ukrainian.
The guy said, explaining that those are not mercinaries but the self-defence of Maidan.

They are making a corridor so that the Ukrainian patriots of Right Sector might come though.

You're observing Maidan.
3202  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 29, 2014, 06:12:47 PM
Kerry told about spying on telephone conversations of Russians in Eastern Ukraine:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1156833?utm_medium=rss20

Even though I would not be surprised if Russia had some advisors/observers in Ukraine, it's the case of teapot calling a kettle - CIA has a whole floor in Kiev to themselves!

He uses quite a lot of harsh words there, but among them I did not see a single reference to hard proof.



USA will return Yanukovich's money to Ukraine:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1156916?utm_medium=rss20
"It'll be a lengthy process and will require cooperation of all countries around the globe", said Holder.

I wonder how Yanukovich managed to transport 32 billion dollars, which equates to about 320 tonnes or a whole trainload of money out of Ukraine, when he fled from being murdered in Ukraine.

And will US return the Ukrainian gold reserve?

And will US demand that Yatsenjuk return Russian Scythian gold?



Former ambassador of US in Russia complained that Putin did not love him, and even confessed it to him personally a couple of times:
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005965888.html



And here is something bordering on tragic absurdity:
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005948110.html

Ukraine refused to participate in France in memorial event, commemorating victims of Chernobyl disaster.

Well, with the recent US-supplied incompatible nuclear fuel for the Ukrainian nuclear plants, the whole of Ukraine will be one big Chernobyl.  Undecided
3203  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 29, 2014, 05:37:01 PM
The chief of Police of Lugansk resigns from his post:
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005962951.html

Lugansk pro-federalisation forces took control over the prosecutor's office and over the TV station:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/04/29/lugansk/
3204  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 29, 2014, 05:35:59 PM
Darth Vader wishes to become the mayor of Kiev:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/374346
3205  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 29, 2014, 05:05:43 PM
Hardly anyone speaks Ukrainian in Crimea... and yet Russian was not an official language? Also, there are 5 times as many Russian speakers as there are Ukrainian speakers in Nikolaev.  Sad

The town of Nikolaev gave Russian official status on the town level (blue flag).
3206  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: April 29, 2014, 04:52:03 PM
the consensus is that religiosity was a survival aid to primitive societies

Consensus is meaningless if there is no way to demonstrate whether primitive societies might have faired a whole lot better discovering critical thinking *before* made-up-shit(tm).

BTW, pro-tip, you can't prove anything by general consensus. Just because a bunch of people believe something to be true, it does not in any way, make it true.

Well, humans like stories. We are rather "pan narrans" than "homo sapience" (as Terry Pratchett so aptly put it).

"Don't go there because a terrible corcodile god will be upset and curse you and all your descendants" appeals much more to our charchteristic trait, imagination, than "don't go there or you'll be eaten by a crocodile".

Religions provide such stories and an easily conveyable form to retell them, thus setting reference points for the society to function in. The probles start to occur, when those reference points become so entrenched and are no longer updated to match the reality, as it happens now with Radical Islam and Orthodox Judaism.
3207  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: April 29, 2014, 04:46:19 PM
The question science should be asking is 'why have human beings spontaneously and ubiquitously evolved religious forms of behaviour?'

Seriously!?!

We used made-up-shit(tm) to explain why things were the way they were. Thunder was someone's God kicking off, lightning, equally so.

Understand?

The ONLY way we have established factual knowledge in order to properly represent a correct understanding of our Universe is by way of the scientific method.

Everything else is either straight-up made-up-shit(tm) or deep-and-meaningful-navel-gazing-nonsense, which is just philosophical made-up-shit(tm) by another name.

The way I interpret dancupid's statement, it's actually rather sensible. There are scientific disciplines that concern themselves with just such questions: psychology and social anthropology are two such examples. For example religious hierarchies that humans construct (polytheism, monotheism) correspond to the predominant social hierarchy of human tribes adopting those religions at the time.
3208  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 29, 2014, 04:24:21 PM

Some commentators think this address to the people of Zaporozhje to meet tomorrow to rally for creation of Zaporozhje Republic might actually be a provocation, staged by SBU to catch those who do not  see eye to eye with the current Kiev junta. The wording and choice of proclamations is a bit strange.
3209  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 29, 2014, 03:03:55 PM

These two. Riot police in Lugansk return to their dislocation base, with people letting them go in peace, and chanting "Well done, guys!"
3210  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: April 29, 2014, 02:52:17 PM
Everything is relative to an observer, including this statement.

"It is the absolute truth that everything is relative to an observer, including this statement."

It is the absolute truth for that specific observer that everything is relative to an observer, including this statement.

You see what I am doing? The same trick as "turtles all the way down".

And to repost: Have you read Ludvig Holberg's "Erasmus Montanus", perchance? Wink
3211  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: April 29, 2014, 02:42:02 PM
Everything is relative to an observer, including this statement.
3212  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why Science Does Not Disprove God on: April 29, 2014, 02:37:46 PM
1)  Actually, God is a logical *necessity*, but unless you're actually curious about why this is, I'll spare you a lengthy explanation.  For example, if you can prove absolute truth exists (this is ludicrously easy as any attempt to deny absolute truth only reaffirms its existence), and you set 'absolute truth'='God' or 'x' or 'Allah' or whatever else, then you're no longer speculating -- instead, you are reasoning about something that is demonstrably provable.  If you have any doubts about the existence of absolute truth, I can dispell all of them in a few sentences.

I think you enter a fallacy region here. By the very same logic I can prove that you, "the joint" is a big green blob using mind tricks to appear in a human form. And it'd be interesting to hear your seasoning about "absolute truth".

Have you read Ludvig Holberg's "Erasmus Montanus" perchance? Wink  Tongue
3213  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 29, 2014, 02:24:50 PM
While searching for a map, I came across the following blog from last year, showing maps of Ukraine, and its division along linguistic, political, industrial lines. The maps are a bit old, but telling.

http://yablor.ru/blogs/dve-ukraini/3638493

For example this map shows the language of the registered users in the social network VKontakte (aka Facebook). Ukrainan tends towards red, Russian tends towards blue.


Or this map, showing which regions had Russian as an official regional language, in blue (note Crimea and the dissonance with the map above!)


Or, the percentage of people naming Russian as their mother tongue per 2001 (Sevastopol: 90%, Kiev: 30%):


And a curiosity map. Where statues of Lenin dominate (yellow means "none", blue means "a few"):
3214  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 29, 2014, 02:05:07 PM

Storming of Lugansk administration building.
One of the commentators wrote: "Everything repeats itself. The administration buildings in the West of Ukraine were taken in the same way." Another replied: "But it's forever in Lugansk." Smiley

Liked that the publisher used image stabilisation in video post-processing.
3215  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 29, 2014, 01:36:18 PM
"EU, shame on you!" I think that would make a good slogan. At leas after this:

EU ‘should be ashamed’ after sanctions on Russia - Moscow
http://rt.com/news/155620-eu-japan-sanctions-russia/

Quote
“Instead of forcing the Kiev clique to sit down with south-eastern Ukraine to negotiate the country’s future political system, our partners are toeing Washington’s line to take more unfriendly gestures towards Russia,” the statement declared.

“If somebody in Brussels hopes to stabilize the situation in Ukraine by this, it is evidence of a total lack of understanding of the internal political situation in that country and invites local neo-Nazis to continue their lawlessness and thuggery towards the peaceful civilians of the south-east,” the statement said. “Are you not ashamed?”

Quote
Russian Senate Speaker Valentina Matvienko, who was targeted by a previous round of personal sanctions, said Russia “may thank the West, because with their actions they are consolidating further the Russian society, while Russia has enough resilience to respond to any possible damage from such sanctions.”

 Grin Tongue

Also:
Anti-Kiev protesters take control of govt building in Lugansk Region, east Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/155640-protesters-government-building-ukraine/

Quote
“The building is ours. That’s it,” local protest leader Oleg Dereko told RIA Novosti.

No injuries or violence were reported during the takeover.

 Grin
3216  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 29, 2014, 01:10:32 PM
Has anyone done a decent map of Ukraine showing the regions controlled by Kiev, Russia, "unidentified forces," and "activists" or something along those lines? At this point a visual aid would be useful to keep track of all these different regions in flux.

There is a 3-day old map here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518645.msg6402626#msg6402626
Balthazar, where did you find it, is there an updated version?
3217  Local / Skandinavisk / Re: Hvor fører man gevinst ved bitcoinsalg og bitcoinformue i selvangivelsen? on: April 29, 2014, 12:15:07 PM
Takk, folkens. Sitter og fører inn selvangivelsen i siste liten, og tror det er best å ha alt på det rene nå for å slippe ubehagelige spørsmål senere.
Var også overrasket å se at bitcoins ble nevnt i veiledningen fra skatteetaten. Virker som om valutaen er på riktig vei i Norge. Smiley
3218  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: April 29, 2014, 11:10:17 AM
The terrorist dogs of Mariupol: they sing along to the Russian anthem!  Grin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_tlrUMQ4J4
3219  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: April 29, 2014, 08:51:54 AM
In NATO invasion-prepping news:

Britain, France deploy 8 fighter jets to Lithuania and Poland
http://rt.com/news/155504-uk-france-baltic-jets/

Quote
On Monday, Russia’s Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu has urged his Pentagon counterpart Chuck Hagel to help cool down the rhetoric over Ukraine and described NATO troops massing near Russian borders as “unprecedented.”

Speaking to Hagel by phone on Monday, Shoigu classified the growth of NATO activity in Eastern Europe as “unprecedented,” saying it was accompanied by “provocative” rhetoric about “containing” Russia.
3220  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: April 29, 2014, 08:51:35 AM
Yes, they just need to keep doing quantitative easings, and the final stop will be Zimbabwe. Smiley

Ah, more sanctions from EU. I was starting to get worried that EU tops were off on a sick leave and could not publish today's sanctions.  Grin
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/04/140429_rn_eu_russia_sanctions.shtml

Prosecutor General of Ukraine blames Yanukovich for transporting with him 32 billion dollars to Russia?
http://ria.ru/world/20140429/1005865596.html
Russia says it has no grounds for extraditing Yanukovich as his is the legitimate president of Ukraine.

Besides, will they be prosecuting Yatsenjuk for transporting Ukrainian gold to the US?
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