Why implement it at all? Nobody has made a real argument which proves the need. So, again, why?
That's you, i guess. I'm glad to see that you have thought it through so thoroughly. That's about par for the course though. Sad, Sam |
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Unless I see a significant number of requests, there will not be a 'no vote' option.
I have yet to hear a valid argument for the need to implement this. I'm not saying I'm for or against the modifying the block chain. I'm just saying nobody is putting up a good reason to do it in the first place. So I guess I would vote for a server which has a no vote capability. Is that convoluted or what  Sam |
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Because he promised, and this is his duty.
Why implement it at all? Nobody has made a real argument which proves the need. So, again, why? |
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It's time to support BIP16, [Tycho].
Why? |
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Overclocked to 950 Mhz, memory underclocked to 300 Mhz, intensity at 9. Used to average 270 Mhash, and still do. I don't know what kind of bad issues I was supposed to experience, but just letting you know there aren't any issues with mine.
That seems like a low hash rate. On my 5830 I get 295Mhash at 935 Mhz and 313Mhash or so at 950 Mhz. What SDK were you using to start with. I'm using 2.4. Sam |
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Then, how many blocks exactly? it's 268(26%) already.
How many do you need? may be 300?
It's 366 blocks now,
more than 50% or other 70% of mining power.
When will you support BIP16, DeepBit?Why? |
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What does long4 vs. long8 mean in the .bin filename?
Sam
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That's a possibility that may occur, but do we modify the blockchain willy nilly for every possibility that may happen?
Also who's responsibility is it keep a key logging program off of my system? Who's responsibility is it to suffer the consequences if my computing behavior allows that to happen on a system that contains a wallet? I assume you would say it is the Bitcoin communities?!?
Sam
To answer your first question. No. To answer your second question, you are responsible for anything that happens to your wallet. Now, I say again, do we want Bitcoin to remain a niche product for computer experts, or do we want regular people to be able to use it and feel secure with their money? I'm all for personal responsibility, possibly to the extreme, but I feel Bitcoin has the potential to do some good in this world by taking control of money away from the few and giving it to the many, and I don't want the limit on potential growth to be that you must be a computer expert to be secure. I want Bitcoin to be safely usable on the most virus infested machine you can find. We can worry about teaching people to practice safe computing later. Sorry for getting so OT. I just wanted to talk to [Tycho] about the impression he gave me regarding "not acting". I apologize for being off topic as well. But nobody seems to want to talk about this in any forum. There will always be people who write their PIN on the back of their ATM/Credit card and write their password on their monitor. That CANNOT be ameliorated. So I ask again where is the security flaw in Bitcoin that requires these multisig's to correct? Feel free to point me to the forum topic where this would be more appropriate to discuss. Or you can just continue to blow it off, Sam |
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If we want Bitcoin to be a success, it has to be functionally secure
In what way is Bitcoin currently functionally insecure? Sam If someone gains access to your wallet, they can spend your coins. So the encryption used in the client is faulty? Sam I would imagine that it's only a deterrent. A keylogger is the first thing to pop into my mind. That's a possibility that may occur, but do we modify the blockchain willy nilly for every possibility that may happen? Also who's responsibility is it keep a key logging program off of my system? Who's responsibility is it to suffer the consequences if my computing behavior allows that to happen on a system that contains a wallet? I assume you would say it is the Bitcoin communities?!? Sam |
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If we want Bitcoin to be a success, it has to be functionally secure
In what way is Bitcoin currently functionally insecure? Sam If someone gains access to your wallet, they can spend your coins. So the encryption used in the client is faulty? Sam |
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If we want Bitcoin to be a success, it has to be functionally secure
In what way is Bitcoin currently functionally insecure? Sam |
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We have experienced some outages caused by problems at the datacenter. I'm going to change the routing in next ~15 minutes, this may help with submit delays. Now it's more than 50% of 50%,
will you support BIP16?
Looks like you are so concerned about that Please don't worry, I won't do it way too early. I care about the bitcoin system and will always try to be on the safe side. There are conscious on supporting BIP16, cause it will make bitcoin more safe. as you can see, slush & BTCGuild are supporting BIP16, and more than 5 TOP10 pools are supporting BIP16, You are acting against it, you're not making bitcoin safe. I have yet to hear, or see rather, a valid argument for the actual need to do this. Again another example of doing something just because we can with no real forethought of the consequences. Sad, Sam |
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If you know of a more appropriate CUDA miner, I'd love to hear about it!
rpcminer-cuda is the only CUDA miner, I think. But rpcminer doesn't support longpolling or any other advanced features. OpenCL miners are a little bit slower. cgminer does it - but it seems no one who uses it knows what is required to install to get it working  Does it or Did it? I see no references anymore to NVidia or CUDA on the top post. Sam |
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It seems to me that if I were going to mine with an NVida card with the CUDA stuff already installed I would use a mining program that was built for that purpose, until I got a my AMD GPU that is.
Sam I agree completely, is there one? I have guiminer, but can't find a way to get it working with P2Pool, and I think that's the right pool for the future of BTC. If you know of a more appropriate CUDA miner, I'd love to hear about it! Ufasoft Miner 0.27 - Windows/Linux, x86/x64, SSE2/OpenCL/CUDA, Open Source. Your making me look like I'm plugging someone else miner on the CGMiner list. I'm really not trying to do that!!!! I'm just trying to get you mining. I don't know if it will work for you but it's worth a shot. Sam I read through the the Ufssoft thread, but there doesn't seem to be any lilnks to the 0.27 version for windows, only 0.25. I'll give it a shot. Don't feel like you're directing me away from cgminer. I'll be back on it as soon as I get my AMD card!  I tried the CUDA SDK files, they made to difference. cgminer still crashes the GPU driver upon launch. Always look in the mining software threads top post for the download links and latest version information. Sam |
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It seems to me that if I were going to mine with an NVida card with the CUDA stuff already installed I would use a mining program that was built for that purpose, until I got a my AMD GPU that is.
Sam I agree completely, is there one? I have guiminer, but can't find a way to get it working with P2Pool, and I think that's the right pool for the future of BTC. If you know of a more appropriate CUDA miner, I'd love to hear about it! Ufasoft Miner 0.27 - Windows/Linux, x86/x64, SSE2/OpenCL/CUDA, Open Source. Your making me look like I'm plugging someone else miner on the CGMiner list. I'm really not trying to do that!!!! I'm just trying to get you mining. I don't know if it will work for you but it's worth a shot. Sam |
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I see a bunch of stuff about SDKs flaoting around. Do I need to do anything with that or does that only apply to Linux/AMD/whatever?
That applies to mining ... Again, I have no idea about nVidia and CUDA but I even typed your google search for you and found this page: http://developer.nvidia.com/cuda-downloadsNo idea if you need something else to mine, but no doubt the fact that your NON-ATI miner doesn't work at all probably means you are missing something to make it work ... and at a wild guess it may be that? (I don't know) Thanks for doing that search for me, I don't think I'd have ever thought to search for that particular string. I'd downloading the GPU compuing SDK and the CUDA toolkit. They're massive downloads, about a gig between the 2. It seems odd to me that we'd need development tools to run miners, but I guess I'll add that to the list of things I don't understand about mining! lol It seems to me that if I were going to mine with an NVida card with the CUDA stuff already installed I would use a mining program that was built for that purpose, until I got a my AMD GPU that is. Sam |
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I see a bunch of stuff about SDKs flaoting around. Do I need to do anything with that or does that only apply to Linux/AMD/whatever?
I like using the AMD Catalyst 11.6 which includes the OpenCL SDK 2.4. That seems to work pretty good for me. But if you get one of the newer GPU's you may need to get a newer Catalyst version. Post that question again when you get said GPU and someone will, I'm sure, have a more informed suggestion for you. In the meantime, while I'm still on the GTX480, do I need to be concerned with anything SDK-related? I don't know anything about Nvidia GPU or Cuda, so I couldn't say. Sam |
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@Sam: I'm not interested in trying another miner, since I plan to get a good AMD card, and have heard great things about cgminer.
I'll try the new drivers and report back.
That was probably going to be one of the next "suggestions" someone was going to make. When you get the AMD GPU CGMiner is definitely what you will want to use. I see a bunch of stuff about SDKs flaoting around. Do I need to do anything with that or does that only apply to Linux/AMD/whatever?
I like using the AMD Catalyst 11.6 which includes the OpenCL SDK 2.4. That seems to work pretty good for me. But if you get one of the newer GPU's you may need to get a newer Catalyst version. Post that question again when you get said GPU and someone will, I'm sure, have a more informed suggestion for you. Good Luck, Sam |
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New version: 2.2.5
Finally fixed the opencl created zero sized binary bug.
Hey, I finally have a brand spanking new set of .bin files for Windoze. Sam Excellent. I could cry seeing you say that  Especially since the kernel filenames and format has changed and it's essential that it can actually create the binaries. In fact it was this bug that made me reluctant to try and make any new kernels in the past. Well it sounds like we can all move forward more confidently now. Since your not doing the --donation anymore is just sent you 1 BTC. Thanks, Sam |
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@Elmojo: you forgot to add at least some of the following arguments, otherwise the header wouldn't show:
-D -T --verbose
Here's a sample of what it should look like:
Yeah, I put in all the args. It looked just like your example, until it crashed the GPU driver, then it went crazy. By the time I could get control back, that's the part I could copy/paste. No, because when you use -T you will not get that output you pasted ... However, the problem is CUDA related (from the -n output) nVidia mining, not ATI mining - in case anyone didn't notice I did, that's why I suggested the ufasoft miner. Not having ADL support and not needing failover, since he's mining to localhost, there is not much need to use CGMiner, regardless of where the problem lies. Sam |
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