Scam means we mislead. Scam means a trick. We did neither of those things. There also must be a gain. We gain nothing from this scenario. It sucks, we've apologized for it, but there isn't much we can do.
You can provide the proof of insurance and the letter of claim denial. Scam or not, unless you properly insured its your loss. I've been doing some more thinking and digging. According to Jay, the insurance claim was denied because the value of the goods had changed taking it across some arbitrary threshold such that their policy no longer covers it. This apparently caused the insurance company to deny a claim, not only for the replacement cost, but also for the original cost. I don't know the name of the insurance company or policy, when the insurance was taken out on the item or when the claim was allegedly filed so I can't do any detailed digging, but I did have some thoughts: - The insurance company obviously has something in their T&Cs which states that if the value of an item changes by a certain percent or value, then they won't cover it. Coinabul should reasonably have known about this. - Silver is a volatile market. Coinabul should have reasonably expected the price of silver to fluctuate between taking out the insurance and a possible claim. - The above two points together show that Coinabul could (and should) have reasonably taken steps to ensure that their insurance arrangements were adequate to cover market fluctuations, but was negligent in failing to do so. - I could not have reasonably known about this or taken steps to avoid this, not being a party to the insurance contract or having access to the details of the contract. - Coinabul, not I, have been negligent in this instance and should therefore be culpable. That they have allegedly changed their insurance structure to avoid this only attests to their negligence in my case. I no longer think this is at the foot of the insurance company. It is clearly at the foot of Coinabul. This moves it firmly into scam territory. Coinabul mislead me to believe that my order would be sufficiently insured but failed to do so. This is quite reasonable and indeed the buyer is not of fault here. Watching this thread closely to see how it turns out. |
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The site and G+ accounts seem shady and a job of another noob scammer. Anyone falling for that is best to be parted with his bitcoins early...
Uh, where on earth did he claim to be riX? riX's account seems dormant, and a common tactic by scammers is to impersonate MIA members.
He sent a link to riX2000's otc rating to a message to one of my customers on facebook. I asked if he was him on the phone and he said yes. I can post our emails if anyone is interested? Never believe any claims like this unless the message was signed using the key to that account. For example, I never issue bitcoin addresses to another party without signing it with my GPG key to prevent someone else hijacking my account and using it maliciously. |
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There's other reasons why the restrictions were imposed. Scammers were making accounts en masse and changing accounts once they're being found out, and the restrictions make their lives harder.
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I suggest doing this in the auction subforum as the posts cannot be altered there.
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Referral Rewards Paid
Note, many members have not yet supplied their public key so they can be paid theirs.
Timestamp Paid To Amount (BTC)
3/2/2013 10:28 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.1786 BTC
3/2/2013 10:22 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.1958 BTC
3/2/2013 10:03 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.1605 BTC
3/2/2013 09:57 1NKy846DmN3JPTYutuMsHtdZSNt8t8JdHi 0.2120 BTC
3/2/2013 09:50 1FainN22tQG7o5Eif1cpQPVnYAvaLn6Gzf 0.1745 BTC
3/1/2013 19:02 12sZNBKuKDk4SgSJCY4GTytBuYquwi715P 0.1712 BTC
3/1/2013 16:57 158mKq7YGDfNi1rMynGuZAC51GCRvh6VGq 0.1983 BTC
3/1/2013 16:52 17QnSEcTQV2SSCJbuCvSPiMzDNn9vjbKUD 0.2230 BTC
3/1/2013 16:46 1NKy846DmN3JPTYutuMsHtdZSNt8t8JdHi 0.2230 BTC
3/1/2013 16:37 1FPkpgo5a2fMJhakY4Tu4F2bN8P7G8yowF 0.1746 BTC
3/1/2013 11:28 1AiG9RcXF7ESXt7R6iBhT2R8Dodq7basfX 0.2187 BTC
3/1/2013 10:53 1FainN22tQG7o5Eif1cpQPVnYAvaLn6Gzf 0.1992 BTC
3/1/2013 09:24 16T6GRXKXmAfiaAwufdjLahm2dzjz4yyKK 0.1900 BTC
3/1/2013 09:20 1FPkpgo5a2fMJhakY4Tu4F2bN8P7G8yowF 0.1684 BTC
3/1/2013 09:15 1DhismZCVhGA7LdrgvBUYSPxUXWBPdAgha 0.1781 BTC
3/1/2013 09:06 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.1957 BTC
2/28/2013 22:55 1B5413UGfcqmcuM9HQ3gBUn4BHsg7H1vsr 0.1880 BTC
2/28/2013 22:51 17EGaY9NXhA18rjWhwstUTr8pwYutWbtQa 0.1786 BTC
2/28/2013 21:07 1DhismZCVhGA7LdrgvBUYSPxUXWBPdAgha 0.2017 BTC
2/28/2013 19:16 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.2011 BTC
2/28/2013 19:07 12sZNBKuKDk4SgSJCY4GTytBuYquwi715P 0.2247 BTC
2/28/2013 18:54 154gcyXZN7CZwVFFTqF6ftn87co4aVWMQA 0.1625 BTC
2/28/2013 18:52 1JLgYjfMuupCcVcvHuSwCoh5orkC214KwJ 0.1903 BTC
2/28/2013 18:50 1JLgYjfMuupCcVcvHuSwCoh5orkC214KwJ 0.1929 BTC
2/28/2013 18:48 158mKq7YGDfNi1rMynGuZAC51GCRvh6VGq 0.2107 BTC
2/28/2013 18:45 17QnSEcTQV2SSCJbuCvSPiMzDNn9vjbKUD 0.1822 BTC
2/28/2013 18:42 191wKFAyPNPs5gfMguZZJcqorKZVc6ZYAC 0.1921 BTC
2/28/2013 18:31 1FPkpgo5a2fMJhakY4Tu4F2bN8P7G8yowF 0.2068 BTC
2/28/2013 18:08 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.1780 BTC
2/28/2013 17:31 1LVYWxr5ey2DrM89gGQiCirKkp5PsLohVb 0.1990 BTC
2/28/2013 14:28 1NmSs6SkmTGRheTjfM2AAy9n4M1no6W2fF 0.1859 BTC
2/28/2013 14:24 16eJUwhDu1tr9JJ3gkCHZKQmPpHTu1UNiX 0.2137 BTC
2/28/2013 13:56 14XQXbcazUX4t3re9c6HaamJ4GK5emAfAk 0.2289 BTC
2/28/2013 13:36 17EGaY9NXhA18rjWhwstUTr8pwYutWbtQa 0.1958 BTC
2/28/2013 13:29 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.2058 BTC
2/28/2013 13:11 1NKy846DmN3JPTYutuMsHtdZSNt8t8JdHi 0.1739 BTC
2/28/2013 13:10 1NKy846DmN3JPTYutuMsHtdZSNt8t8JdHi 0.2183 BTC
2/28/2013 12:35 16T6GRXKXmAfiaAwufdjLahm2dzjz4yyKK 0.2090 BTC
2/28/2013 12:22 1NKy846DmN3JPTYutuMsHtdZSNt8t8JdHi 0.1938 BTC
2/28/2013 03:52 14XQXbcazUX4t3re9c6HaamJ4GK5emAfAk 0.2188 BTC
2/28/2013 03:47 12sZNBKuKDk4SgSJCY4GTytBuYquwi715P 0.2264 BTC
2/28/2013 03:31 17EGaY9NXhA18rjWhwstUTr8pwYutWbtQa 0.2376 BTC
2/28/2013 03:25 1DhismZCVhGA7LdrgvBUYSPxUXWBPdAgha 0.2071 BTC
2/27/2013 16:52 12sZNBKuKDk4SgSJCY4GTytBuYquwi715P 0.1694 BTC
2/27/2013 16:36 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.1791 BTC
2/27/2013 16:10 17EGaY9NXhA18rjWhwstUTr8pwYutWbtQa 0.1999 BTC
2/27/2013 16:02 1DhismZCVhGA7LdrgvBUYSPxUXWBPdAgha 0.2041 BTC
2/27/2013 15:56 1DhismZCVhGA7LdrgvBUYSPxUXWBPdAgha 0.2046 BTC
2/27/2013 15:37 1Q9FRhcGny6c4ahCyDBq31TYrqCQ7id5bW 0.1795 BTC
2/27/2013 15:13 1FPkpgo5a2fMJhakY4Tu4F2bN8P7G8yowF 0.2160 BTC
2/27/2013 15:07 17EGaY9NXhA18rjWhwstUTr8pwYutWbtQa 0.1864 BTC
2/27/2013 14:55 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.2237 BTC
2/27/2013 13:49 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.2343 BTC
2/27/2013 13:41 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.1818 BTC
2/27/2013 13:35 1NKy846DmN3JPTYutuMsHtdZSNt8t8JdHi 0.1779 BTC
2/27/2013 12:44 17UMqrAYo45SKrazNXU4vx1oU1LjZBwqQK 0.1996 BTC
2/26/2013 15:47 14QYu6YJQfNThZYHdcbUwLbujSMUVEYW2N 0.1734 BTC
2/26/2013 11:11 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.1847 BTC
2/26/2013 10:39 1NKy846DmN3JPTYutuMsHtdZSNt8t8JdHi 0.1776 BTC
2/26/2013 03:23 1NmSs6SkmTGRheTjfM2AAy9n4M1no6W2fF 0.2210 BTC
2/25/2013 19:51 1AbZGXN3dyc7C4EUfPzFedyi1CUr4BgK8F 0.2222 BTC
2/25/2013 15:32 1FPkpgo5a2fMJhakY4Tu4F2bN8P7G8yowF 0.1811 BTC
2/25/2013 12:10 1AbZGXN3dyc7C4EUfPzFedyi1CUr4BgK8F 0.2321 BTC
2/25/2013 10:07 16T6GRXKXmAfiaAwufdjLahm2dzjz4yyKK 0.1636 BTC
2/25/2013 09:52 1AbZGXN3dyc7C4EUfPzFedyi1CUr4BgK8F 0.2146 BTC
2/24/2013 23:09 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.1682 BTC
2/24/2013 19:42 16T6GRXKXmAfiaAwufdjLahm2dzjz4yyKK 0.1995 BTC
2/24/2013 12:02 1DhismZCVhGA7LdrgvBUYSPxUXWBPdAgha 0.1679 BTC
2/24/2013 11:58 1JE5dWuwo7z67VAAgzrfRUiNpvHsenhW5U 0.1729 BTC
2/24/2013 00:46 16T6GRXKXmAfiaAwufdjLahm2dzjz4yyKK 0.2116 BTC
2/23/2013 08:18 1NKy846DmN3JPTYutuMsHtdZSNt8t8JdHi 0.2350 BTC
2/22/2013 23:19 1B5413UGfcqmcuM9HQ3gBUn4BHsg7H1vsr 0.1727 BTC
Okay, why don't you just say that you're the operator instead of masquerading as a user? There's been instances like this where the actual operator hides under the guise of a 'user'....  |
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I was writing some kind of contract but the hell with that. I'll just mail Friedcat. Once he confirm transfer of shares I want to release 114 BTC to address: 16wZcXGMAMLGqc8hKk5Vz8trSvELAQUprm. 1 BTC is fee for John
Confirmed again with the address to release the escrow to, and thanks for the fee. |
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They're still here, but not in the lending subforum for the time being. Try taking a look around the Marketplace and Service discussion for 'investment opportunities' and fast 'deals'.
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The site and G+ accounts seem shady and a job of another noob scammer. Anyone falling for that is best to be parted with his bitcoins early...
Uh, where on earth did he claim to be riX? riX's account seems dormant, and a common tactic by scammers is to impersonate MIA members.
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He is banned from this forum, and someone giving him access to their own accounts will be banned for this too.
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No I do not know how to check. Here is the email I sent this morning it has a list of the problems I have with it all.
Okay what I am seeing is that there is no protection for me what so ever. It seems to be a poor service in general to me with very high fees. i understand your reservations, I believe the best way for us to gain trust is to do small transactions over a period of time. To be honest it looks like a scam to me there are to many holes in your story, I think I am just going to pass on doing business with you.
The problems I have---
You have 0 feedback as a seller
You require a large up front purchase
I have no way of knowing if you are the person you claim (riX2000)
you are not in the pictures of you mining rig
your gmail account is new
If you are the user you claim to be you are known to gamble (15000 at once)
You wont use escrow for erroneous reasons.
Willing to pay 11% fees doesn't make sense
I also do not like that the word Predator is in your email address.
I posted under bitcoin forums that i believed your service to be a scam and for other users to avoid you.
If you would like to defend your service you can reply to my post under scam accusations. It is entitled "suspected scam! dont get screwed!"
Virwox is currently the most reliable way to transfer from paypal to btc. There are a lot of fees involved, and time, too. I think the fees come out to be like 11%, and they only sell whole btc (not .05 btc, for example).
Needless to say, it's complicated, expensive, and not really satisfying. Yet, they do a lot of business in BTC, mostly to newbies trying to get some btc by using a credit card or paypal.
-- also that user bought large number of coins recently, which doesnt make sense. He claims to mine 250 a month and is meeting to buy 100's of coins?
If you're concerned he's not riX, have him sign a message with his OTC key. That'll be proof enough. The rest is not valid arguments. |
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Thanks John for providing the escrow. 115 BTC sent. For 237 ASICMiner shares. https://blockchain.info/tx/84fd93cd1f6eeba5c137873d61da9c22df1ca994f0666efc6bcf99a27365e763Friedcat already has my details. I would like these 237 ASICMiner shares to be associated to the same bitcoin address that already has 300 shares: 13BKqLgfL5vjaLiK4jobkksw5A3xSzPfkf I'll send along an email to him so that he can transfer and confirm the shares. Bitme - please send him an email as well. Confirmed, thanks. |
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
The escrow address for Bitme and wisard's 237 ASICMINER share auction would be: 1G3wgXmEpTYSikanfjHrgQnrd2B1sCz4Ns
Please state and agree to the conditions beforehand.
If possible, GPG sign your agreement to prevent any discrepancies later on and please ship with tracking to prevent problems during delivery.
On the event that any problems arises, I will release the escrow to whichever party that presents me with the most convincing proof after an open discussion with others and/or theymos.
John
March 2 2013
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Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32)
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/vjSaka3Ot3NRu14qRmU/DgPZzz4advsljwiyO7aQEhuwPJWlIGtEE/512I8Sh6O
ysXIBhVpX2vR4Nz28chOt3t+s4flDcZOZaVef2lLuCi0Kvl+Jsji42hg1DWeds4K
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fla5xjBNr1H1tS35zqvJnpdhYzNSKYYlVFdeejduOmDhGQ+Id32EWfj0XdmA3r9R
AqoJ0q/NnXXfq14WlaonKF4wKosX+R7fhwnFfVh5NH1nGPEnM4qDzcILZh5MSlmM
JO5cGtGRVktrwm3MZ0zoDD6Ahp/UgS7fMlDm/+52C1H9mQvcJhXOUCUgQeTpRmjA
4HV9jAxqlX7mlhhqO7kPBuC6iJr5ho2J9J126XRUwK/6dAMCE46z5pGUxexERw4T
dcel1OpocZTyxbOODgg8mPC+PYvZlO0E2w2YDX4CUoieanFEmANrOxFLRDlZ2MTT
fgCApm4m0ykL1ovDCwFI7M/eXtu6w236hLXUEVQah/+aRH/FQbqrN7A5z+u/Zx1R
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Give me a second and I'll post a signed contract here.
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He's permanently banned for the PM spam, thanks theymos.
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Why keep this one open at all, btw? Shouldn't it be handled like all the other Mavrodi-Style ponzis/pyramids that frequently pop up here?
Well, there's always this clause: Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose. |
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Escrow released to the specified address in PM.
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Should have banned outright. IMHO
I'm requesting a cool-off ban due to him repeating his actions. |
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I'm sorry to do this kind of things, but I don't like scammers, and this forum is full of them.
Yeah, you get those scammers and spammers in every big forums. We're trying to keep them down though. Always be wary for any suspicious offerings and deals. |
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He might be trying to make a quick profit off you by using your account to participate in the ripple giveaway which is worth like 0.6~BTC now. Sent him a PM with a final warning to stop spamming or get banned.
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^Thanks for the positive reviews, I'm also thankful for the hassle-free transactions too. Thanks everyone that used my escrow service this month, and the tips! A record amount of BTC were escrowed, totalling to an excess of 3500~ BTC, which is worth ~$122,500 in present day value.  |
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