Big sell wall on mintpal.. Can we say manipulation boys?
I would say manipulation if there would be BUY-walls ;-) |
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In response to the constant talk of bad PR and bad management etc etc.
You can go round and round talking about things all day long, this isn't right or that isn't right but it doesn't change a single thing because actions speak louder than words.
I'll be more active once Cecil is here but until then... it's just wasted energy. Communication is action. And if you take a look at the chart you see the re-action. And: This Price-Drop is not an irrational reaction. It is rational, because the market depends on trust. And trust depends on transparency. And since some weeks, there is a lack of communication and transparency. And: It's more about the "how" than about the "how often". |
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That's really great! Buying some more. :- )
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I've already voted. But just 4 Votes and 3rd place... Don't know what to think about it. But I know what I think about 0.0009999... too cheap.  |
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My only suggestion is that we have a community pot, and every time asks about Wallet v. 2.1 just have v.2 is released they put in 10 NEOS to get the Dev team pizza and donuts!
10 Neos for Pizza and Donuts? Neos-Price exploded last light? No but considering the amount of people who will ask, 10 NEOS each time will add up quickly. And: It could come to a price that fits! 1 Neos = 1 Dollar is possible in my opinion. Not tomorrow but maybe in 4-8 weeks. |
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My only suggestion is that we have a community pot, and every time asks about Wallet v. 2.1 just have v.2 is released they put in 10 NEOS to get the Dev team pizza and donuts!
10 Neos for Pizza and Donuts? Neos-Price exploded last light? |
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Nope.
Different style, same person. Same goal ;-)
2nd thing: Bobsurplus = Alty
Nice story. Don't believe all the crap that somebody tells you per PM. |
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Where is the one market ?
There.Is.No.Such.Thing. There wasn't, there hasn't been, there isn't, there won't be and there won't have been anything called "OneMarket". Or, to say it with some altered form of community's members' words: mark my words and you'll cry later. Finally, I turned into a cynicist. Hope this condition passes as time goes by. Alty said onemarket will be tested on testnet soon. It was supposed to be today, A simple delay means "there was never a OneMarket" to some. I think it is just a delay, very common in the programming world. But you can draw your own conclusions. I admire people who can still be positive. Also, I'm a programmer by profession and I know about the delays. But this is something completely different. To me, it's just a feeling: we have announcements, nice PDFs but where are the things that are listed on those PDFs? Does anyone even know what half of the features there are supposed to be? At the moment, they are just pastime for guessing funny acronyms. Everything gets delayed, we hear that something will come without anyone even knowing what that is supposed to be (besides OneMarket). Just think about it. In the last two months, couldn't it maybe be possible that there wasn't anything being developed on cloak? Regarding everything we got, was there anything, any sneek peek to what's being developed? Has anybody ever seen any development in the past weeks? I mean, not just heard about it? Maybe I'm wrong (I would be glad to be wrong [see, YourMother: no problem admitting being wrong]), but to me it could also be likely that this coin is just being used to produce some money by releasing news from time to time. Nice and easy income, rinse and repeat. Still, I hope I'm wrong. PoSA exists. There were the testings. There were the differences between MrRGnome and the team but even if he was very disappointed, he also confirmed that it's all there. This is absolutely no Scam. If it would be one, they would have announced a passed audit, than sold .....and away. The problem is: There are delays. It's not the first one. But, even this I don't see as a big problem if there is communication. And in the first time there was a lot of communication and explanation. But now... one Tweet. That's all. And T H A T , for me, is the biggest problem and it threatens the whole project, because it looks fishy. Some think they are gone. Others think they could intend a price-drop to buy before the release and so on. I personally think: They are under a lot of pressure and they don't know how to handle it. They don't want questions and they don't want to answer these questions. Therefore they avoid communicative ways like IRC or Forum. But I also think: There will be a release. First, I like it how different points of view can be discussed here w/o being called a fucker, a retard, a fudder or whatsoever.  Next, I know PoSA exists. I'm talking about events which took place after the famous audit. If they are under pressure, that would mean they work hard because they care about their product. Caring about a product in cryptoworld means that it should be used because the price reflects its state in the community. So it would be very important to get this PR thing done (maybe by asking someone else to do it), because this kind of "PR" (also related to this forum, clowns like YourMother etc just don't work for PR) totally destroys the coin. I doubt they don't know that. So if they decide to not care about PR, they might not care much about cloaks image, place in the community etc. And a product I don't care about... I wouldn't invest time in development. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? This whole thing I mentioned earlier, plus the PR, leave the impression that the coin is just a means to an end. Not for the community, of course. Again, I hope I'm wrong. Totally agree! But pressure I mean it more in a psychological way. Imagine you begin with such a project. And you make it very good. You work hard and for the most you are Jesus, because the price is rising etc. But also: The price does not reflect everytime how much you invest in it. The Community-Feedback is often disrespectful particularly the price falls or just stagnate for some weeks. A few people always starts complaining if there is not something hyping in a two-day-timeframe. And than: You see dumping. Whales who bought in early sell at the top without fundamental reasons. And: At the same time something big (PoSA) does not work out as good as intended. There are some issues and it all maybe comes together with private plans (vacation for example) and it is all very different from the plans. You are revised and your Investors are disappointed, your own investment is down, too. You need some money and you sell some of your own Coins, much cheaper as intended. There are problems inside the Team... Short: It`s a real hard time. And in such a time, people often don't have the psychological energy to face a critic community. And every word could lead to a dump. Completely honesty can lead to a dump, even if it's just about some more time. If a Dev would say: Sorry, my daugther is ill. Family first for a week... The price would drop and some would ask: Is he lying? Manipulating? Scammer? etc. What I want to say is: There are times, you can't do it really right. You just can do it "as right as possible" or "not too bad". And psychological... you don't get such a project out of your mind. You always know, whatever you do in private: Thousands of people are waiting for progress. That is the Master-Plan to a big burn-out. And, to make it clear: I don't want to defend the way how Alty acts in the moment. But I can imagine the pressure and I know from myself: Under pressure and nearly burn-out... all what I would like to have is just some time out. No talking, no complaining... maybe working, but without contact to people who are always pushing. I know it from my own projects (not Software but with similarities in the dynamic). And if there comes a time, one just want some rest... it all becomes a risk. The honest people could think about running away. For me, under the line: I'm totally convinced, that Alty and nobody of the project, ever intended a scam or big manipulation. Should they give up, than because they couldn't face all the pressure in Crypto. And that's a lot... And, to come to an end: Satoshi Nakamato had not that pressure. We all can't know, if Bitcoin would exist if he had had such pressure. |
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Where is the one market ?
There.Is.No.Such.Thing. There wasn't, there hasn't been, there isn't, there won't be and there won't have been anything called "OneMarket". Or, to say it with some altered form of community's members' words: mark my words and you'll cry later. Finally, I turned into a cynicist. Hope this condition passes as time goes by. Alty said onemarket will be tested on testnet soon. It was supposed to be today, A simple delay means "there was never a OneMarket" to some. I think it is just a delay, very common in the programming world. But you can draw your own conclusions. I admire people who can still be positive. Also, I'm a programmer by profession and I know about the delays. But this is something completely different. To me, it's just a feeling: we have announcements, nice PDFs but where are the things that are listed on those PDFs? Does anyone even know what half of the features there are supposed to be? At the moment, they are just pastime for guessing funny acronyms. Everything gets delayed, we hear that something will come without anyone even knowing what that is supposed to be (besides OneMarket). Just think about it. In the last two months, couldn't it maybe be possible that there wasn't anything being developed on cloak? Regarding everything we got, was there anything, any sneek peek to what's being developed? Has anybody ever seen any development in the past weeks? I mean, not just heard about it? Maybe I'm wrong (I would be glad to be wrong [see, YourMother: no problem admitting being wrong]), but to me it could also be likely that this coin is just being used to produce some money by releasing news from time to time. Nice and easy income, rinse and repeat. Still, I hope I'm wrong. PoSA exists. There were the testings. There were the differences between MrRGnome and the team but even if he was very disappointed, he also confirmed that it's all there. This is absolutely no Scam. If it would be one, they would have announced a passed audit, than sold .....and away. The problem is: There are delays. It's not the first one. But, even this I don't see as a big problem if there is communication. And in the first time there was a lot of communication and explanation. But now... one Tweet. That's all. And T H A T , for me, is the biggest problem and it threatens the whole project, because it looks fishy. Some think they are gone. Others think they could intend a price-drop to buy before the release and so on. I personally think: They are under a lot of pressure and they don't know how to handle it. They don't want questions and they don't want to answer these questions. Therefore they avoid communicative ways like IRC or Forum. But I also think: There will be a release. |
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I'm not a cheerleader for anybody, and I already said what I had to do about Alty and his lack of PR skills in my long post today.
The tweet that you are citing was never posted on Alty's twitter account - I have checked it on the day it happened, and you can check it now - there is no such a tweet on Alty's Twitter. Somebody fabricated this and posted it on the forum and now it is making rounds. Just want to make things clear here, for there are obviously so many fraudsters and scammers around here - you really don't know who to trust.
"Only your friend knows your secrets, so only he can reveal it...Who the cap fit - let them wear it"
Robert Nesta Marley
The Tweet was there. I don't find it when I go to Altys Twitter-Account, but I find it if I go under my own Tweets, because I retweeted it: https://twitter.com/CryptoPioneer/status/508705270889861120Maybe it's because it is an "@-Tweet"? |
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Where is the one market ?
There.Is.No.Such.Thing. There wasn't, there hasn't been, there isn't, there won't be and there won't have been anything called "OneMarket". Or, to say it with some altered form of community's members' words: mark my words and you'll cry later. Finally, I turned into a cynicist. Hope this condition passes as time goes by. Alty said onemarket will be tested on testnet soon. It was supposed to be today, A simple delay means "there was never a OneMarket" to some. I think it is just a delay, very common in the programming world. But you can draw your own conclusions. I personally have no big problems with delays. With the focus on quality delays are sometimes just necessary. But: The "communication" sucks. It's getting hard to defend how they are acting. |
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And if you read carefully, he says the main release. So there will still be a release today/tomorrow MF. lol... he changed the tweet to "main release" No... he did not change it. I copied it seconds after the Tweet. |
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alright guys conspiracy theory here, what if altys twitter got hacked.
What are the chances? Because if he thought making a half ass explanation hours before the release, for his coin which has already been megashitstormed before and thinking it wont cause another megashitstorm then he has to be pants on head retarded.
Or he doesn't give a flying fuck?
Or he is terrible incompetent and uncommunicative as fuck.
So lets vote for fun:
1-Hacked
2-Pants on head retarded
3-Doesn't give a fuck
4-Incompetent
Not hacked. He would know it and denied. Rest: Too much pressure. |
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Guys, please... don't make that pressure. Neoscoin started 22 days ago. In this phase the up and down of the price is irrelevant. For a crypto it's stable anyway. And the "original supporters" who are leaving now, let them go. In Bitcoin everybody who bought in the first 2 years is a "early Adopter" and now it's about losing "original supporters" after 3 weeks?
Finally we've found a great project with a great team. Please, don't burn them out with pressure-making! ;-)
I am not trying to pressure the devs. Especially at the early stages of a project, not only the product, but timing is a factor as well, and now more than before. Just something I'm suggesting they focus on as well as the product itself. Not pressure, just awareness of the effect timing can have at the early stages of a project. I wish it wasn't a factor, but it is. Not the end of the world, just a factor we should be conscious of at this point. I only want the best for Neos, and I am just trying to help, not freak anyone out here. Just something that I'm noticing that is starting to become a factor here. It's not about rushing them, or putting pressure on them, but pointing it out as a piece of the puzzle here. I don't mean it personally and I know you are supportive. But under the line it is pressure. You talk about timing, and yes: Timing is not irrelevant. But timing is about how things fit together. It would be bad timing to make a great release but without communicate it for some days. It would be bad timing to release something that could be technically great but nobody gets it, because the design is lacking. It would be bad timing to hype something weeks before and than delay the release and so on. But, we see nothing that way. There is daily communication, there is nearly everyday progress. Yesterday Poloniex added Neos. Mintpal will follow. V2 will come. This is a time just a few people even know about Neos and it's normal and it will change. |
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This is why devs shouldn't give themselves deadlines.
Too many impatient children involved in these markets beg for a deadline, then cry when dev can't meet them and the price drops.
pathetic.
Agree... It's easy to be an "Investor". Buying, hyping, complaining, selling. Devs do all the work and it wouldn't be a surprise if they would burn out. This all pressure-making of Communities is one of the most destructive dynamics in the whole market. Even more destructive as FUD of some Freakos. |
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Guys, please... don't make that pressure. Neoscoin started 22 days ago. In this phase the up and down of the price is irrelevant. For a crypto it's stable anyway. And the "original supporters" who are leaving now, let them go. In Bitcoin everybody who bought in the first 2 years is an "early Adopter" and now it's about losing "original supporters" after 3 weeks?
Finally we've found a great project with a great team. Please, don't burn them out with pressure-making! ;-)
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No your just spewing absolute shit, saying uneducated shit. Like saying not even 5btc has been invested? Even tho it had like a 320btc market cap up from 100... do you even know what your saying? Sort your shit out at least learn how to fud properly.
Pumpers and whles? We just normal traders here bud.
My God, in a year or two these conversations about how many satoshis we went up or down today are going to look so silly! I would say a week or a month. ;-) |
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Wow trolls should stop asking question which have answer already ! SuperNet was discussed and it's not going to have out participation and no ETA for v2. So stop asking the same question every 5 posts, please. Just have the faith, get some cheap NEOS while they are....
"Faith" in today's crypto scene? That would be nice. No offense to twoturtles, and not implying anything about him at all - he really looks like one of the good guys -- but some people are fearful of being disappointed after being so often burned on scams. Maybe a screenshot or two would help. I understand this might've been shown in IRC. Might help to put them up here as well. The Risk is always included in this market (and every other market). There is no project without risk. And everybody who gets scared within a few weeks and although there is obvious progress and the best Dev-communication I personally know, should not invest in Altcoins. Because he will get scared with every Investment and every Project. |
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Ok I double clicked setup, I double clicked run and the wallet synced in, I put http://127.0.0.1:18000 into my browser and all I have is a black screen is this normal? I thought something was supposed to be there HAHA maybe I am missing something (...) It's a little bit more complicated, but I'm sure they will "de-complicate" it. Take a look here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS2fm36A11dRE7S2VYa3H3w |
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