Fair point on Cheap hyrdo power in China eg the 3 Gorges Dam but frankly, that vast majority of overall power production production is spoken for. For most heavily industrialized countries, for just one segment - aluminum production - takes one helluva chunk. ref: http://wordpress.mrreid.org/2011/07/15/electricity-consumption-in-the-production-of-aluminium/"According to Alcoa, the world’s largest producer of aluminium, the best smelters use about 13 kilowatt hours (46.8 megajoules) of electrical energy to produce one kilogram of aluminium; the worldwide average is closer to 15 kWh/kg (54 MJ/kg). Worldwide production of aluminium in 2010 was 41.4 million tonnes. Using the figures above this means that 621 billion kilowatt hours of electrical energy were used in the production of aluminium. To put that in perspective, the total world production of electrical energy was 20261 billion kilowatt hours, meaning that more than 3% of the world’s entire electrical supply went to extraction of aluminium." Toss in the other more pressing power needs of China and you get my point. Ja certainly a lot of low cost power will be available to local (ish) peta-farms but not as much as you think. Outside of being right next to the power plant/dam (the now closed Alcoa smelter site in Washington state comes to mind) the infra over there just does not support someone suddenly deciding to run 25-50MW much less 100MW or more without a helluva lotta prep and time/cash for it to be done. yes but we had 2 months of huge see-saw hash rates. In Nov and in Dec. Seems to me China (bitmaintech) has been setting up this flood the network work idea for quite some time. They only need 5 months or so of cheap power to do what I am saying. Maintain a 15 to 20% growth rate until the ½ ing They do not need 1x 100 mega watt deal from 1 dam 3x 40 mega watt deals do the trick. Or 4x 35 mega watt deals. Remember China has been having an industrial slump and some of these plants may have excess power. I picked the biggest dam because what is 100-150 megawatts compared to 22,500 megawatts less then 1 percent. Basically if this is the tactic being employed. 1 cent power with .3 watt machines A bitfury owner need 3 cent power with .1 watt machines both costing the same per th to be on equal ground. And the bitfury may not be ready until april 1st (hmmm is that a joke) by april first diff will be 293 -300 and a 10th 1000 watt machine would only be earning 4 usd a day with 10 cent power and 5.20 usd a day with 5 cent power And the ½ ing would be 5 diff jumps away. Of course maybe my FUD about the diff is wrong and after this jump to 170 we go flatOr back to more normal jumps of 3 to 6 % Ps thank you for the led light bulb design much better then cfl's
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what are we looking for? Does best share have to equal the difficulty number
no higher not equal so 144,116,447,847 need to be beat by 144,116,447,848 or more. I rounded to the hearest whole numbers. So a stick share of 2,152,593,335 while nice is not close. I think we did do a 19,000,000,000 a while back. when we started diff was only 60 it is now 144 this is killing our chances. In the beginning I ran an extra 2th for the first month. One month I ran an extra s-7. In the best months will pulled enough shares to have as high as a 6% chance of a block.
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Mining in Kuwait could be difficult due to the high temperature there. You need to buy air conditioning for mining.
so if he already has ac and can keep the units cool he has .66 cent a kwatt power. add .34 cent for the ac and he has 1 cent power.
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Hi punin, thanks for your engagement here.
Just to be totally clear, you are saying that, at this point in time, there are no machines anywhere hashing with your new chip?
I can't help noticing that your share of total hash power increased sharply recently too.
That is correct. We have just a handful of chips right now and all are used for R&D and profiling including occasional rapid unscheduled disassembly as we look for the limits of the chip . We are expecting the engineering lots in a few weeks time. Luckily our schedule was not affected by the recent Taiwan earthquake. Our total hash power has increased due to our Gldani immersion cooling datacenter getting to full capacity. So my information was correct 6 pages ago that you do not have a reference board built yet. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1291890.msg13810862#msg13810862I would think not having the engineering samples "for a few weeks" that an end of March product release for home miners is an aggressive (and likely impossible) task. Having said that, I think if you haven't ran a full batch of chips then you are expecting everything to go without a hitch with Batch 1 chips. I think that is also a very ambitious expectation for a new 16nm chip. I am going to go out on a limb and say end of April or beginning of May is a better bet. Will you take 1 BTC bet? Not sure what we are betting on but I will definitely take the bet- So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC. How does that sound? Deal! I put a copy of this for reference https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355468.msg13848252#msg13848252
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Hi punin, thanks for your engagement here.
Just to be totally clear, you are saying that, at this point in time, there are no machines anywhere hashing with your new chip?
I can't help noticing that your share of total hash power increased sharply recently too.
That is correct. We have just a handful of chips right now and all are used for R&D and profiling including occasional rapid unscheduled disassembly as we look for the limits of the chip . We are expecting the engineering lots in a few weeks time. Luckily our schedule was not affected by the recent Taiwan earthquake. Our total hash power has increased due to our Gldani immersion cooling datacenter getting to full capacity. So my information was correct 6 pages ago that you do not have a reference board built yet. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1291890.msg13810862#msg13810862I would think not having the engineering samples "for a few weeks" that an end of March product release for home miners is an aggressive (and likely impossible) task. Having said that, I think if you haven't ran a full batch of chips then you are expecting everything to go without a hitch with Batch 1 chips. I think that is also a very ambitious expectation for a new 16nm chip. I am going to go out on a limb and say end of April or beginning of May is a better bet. Will you take 1 BTC bet? Not sure what we are betting on but I will definitely take the bet- So I will order 50Th-100Th the first day the miners are announced, if they arrive to me before April 1 I will pay you 1 BTC but if they do not then you send me 1 BTC. How does that sound? Deal!
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Thank you Sir for running this club!
It was lot of fun to be a part.
Count me in if you are planning anything like this in the future!
Maybe i will do some dustmining at Kano to get back a fraction of my electricity bill.
You are welcome. I do hope to have a ½ ing misery club pool. I will start it right before the ½ ing Try to make the pain of it a little less. https://blockchain.info/blocks397884 (Main Chain) 2016-02-11 11:58:23 about 12 hours to shut down. . http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.Jan11philipma1957sticks "bestever": 2,152,593,335 this was a stick not a rental!
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Yep I am getting old picks were supposed to open at 600 and close at 1200 that would be 2016 - 600 = 1416 for open and 2016 - 1200 = 816 for close for some reason unknown to myself (at 59 too old is a poor reason) I was thinking we start at 1216 https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficultyBitcoin Difficulty: 144,116,447,847 Estimated Next Difficulty: 176,853,772,569 (+22.72%) Adjust time: After 1284 Blocks, About 7.7 days >> I should have said 1416 not 1216Hashrate(?): 1,207,789,669 GH/s Block Generation Time(?): 1 block: 8.7 minutes 3 blocks: 25.9 minutes 6 blocks: 51.9 minutes Updated: 7:10 (1.4 minutes ago) This contest will be started at 1216. So since I made a moron mistake I will toss in an extra something for the prize. It will end at 816 so the end time will be the same. We have 23 blocks to go.
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I like the 48vdc string feed idea. Considering that is very common telco power it makes for using fairly low(ish) cost but utterly reliable POL bricks to drop higher voltage ac/dc feed lines to board usage levels
Yeah 48dc is smart idea. Plenty of good efficient 48 watt psu from mean well for instance
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What's everyone planning on doing with their sticks that were dedicated to the solo club? Kinda curious. I'm going solo!
I will run the 13 sticks on the linux build (my first linux pc) and due to this thread and compac sticks in general. I will balance them at mmpool.org and solo using this solo address http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.Jan11philipma1957sticksBy the spring this will be my only in house gear. And I will try to have the avalons all in the solar array.
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https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficultyBitcoin Difficulty: 144,116,447,847 Estimated Next Difficulty: 176,328,234,415 (+22.35%) Adjust time: After 1346 Blocks, About 8.2 days >>>>>>>>>> we open at 1216Hashrate(?): 1,192,065,789 GH/s Block Generation Time(?): 1 block: 8.7 minutes 3 blocks: 26.2 minutes 6 blocks: 52.4 minutes Updated: 23:5 (4.2 minutes ago) good luck but this is a no brainer as +16% is optimistic
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Phil, I believe these pinouts and pictures were released in good faith and in anticipation for the upcoming 16nm chips to help developers familiarize themselves with the hardware and layout. They have not (and I believe Mr. Punin said they have no intention still) of selling their 28nm gear as is pictured above.
Thank you for the info, very interesting.
I know they are going to be selling the newer gear the 16nm chips. I am not angry at them. I am stating this because I feel a huge amount of hash is going online in China as I type. I feel it is s-7 like .25 - .30 watt gear. Built cheaply and installed by the builders of it on a 1 cent power deal as a preemptive move against bitfury's .1 watt chip. If I have 100 mega watts at 1 cent my 300 dollar s-7 beats the bitfury chip. I think this is what the diff jumps are about. So I am merely stating that a working bitfury 16nm needs to be shipping no later then March 1 to have any chance of making money. We go to 170 diff in 8 days. We go to 205 diff in 21 days. It looks like China will raise the hash rate so high it makes the bitfury chip effectively outdated. For all but a 3 cent power user. All bitmaintech need is 100 mega watts at 1 cent that = 300 to 400 ph. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam this plant can do 22,500 mega watts it looks like we are facing this right here right now. I do not push Fud but if China asic builders cut a deal with the power plant above from now until the ½ ing the diff could go to 300 really fast. So I brought up that this 16mn gear needs to be on a site for sale with quick shipping. Cause in two months at a diff of 300 we don't need it. remember what happened to the sp-20 when it tried to compete with the s-5 bitmaintech crushed them. this looks like bitmaintech trying to crush bitfury.
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Thank you Phil for putting this pool together. With the little time I have available, I hope my little contributions were helpful. Will always be a supporter of your work!
Thanks for the opportunity. Cheers mate!
You are welcome. Your software and website was very helpful ___________________________________________ ___________________________________________ Phil, this was fun! you done us good with this! I myself need to get my BTC flow going again, but, 'till its dead, I'll keep my stick aimed at your address, it may be worthless (over 1 in a billion), But that's what I can give you for this.
so on that note, I pulled my donations down last night (if we hit a block in the last minute, my shares are yours.. should of done it tonight, but I'm going to be busy then).
As for solar panelling, I so wish I can do that, 3-5KW would do me for now.. but that's what I get for renting a house, no panels for me..
I wish I had the land and it was my solar array. It is buysolar's place and his profession But I will supply most of the mining gear. Hopefully it will work out for us. I am lucky a forum member less then 5 miles from my home in the exact right business for us to do a joint venture of sorts. ____________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ Anyone leaving sticks on the club btc address will be giving me a gift as of Feb 12th.
I'll be leaving mine pointed to the club for a while, until whenever the next time I need to restart my computer is or if you stop mining to it first. http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.Jan11mikestangstick{"hashrate1m": "24.6G", "hashrate5m": "24.7G", "hashrate1hr": "23.8G", "hashrate1d": "25.3G", "hashrate7d": "26.4G", "lastupdate": 1455155674, "shares": 16367814, "bestshare": 2936702.6111035105, "bestever": 179524550} Would be karmatic if the club hit one for you after the 11th. Thanks, Phil. I did do that magically done karma with a solo block once before. I hit a block to my address but another guy mined it. I should look for that link. ________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ Thanks so much for setting up the club! Raising awareness of the Compac stick was important for the community. It was a lot of fun, regardless of whether we hit a block or not. Although there's still a little time for that block to happen I'll leave the email notification running for one more day, then I'll turn it off. Yeah it was fun until "Gollum and the evil one crept up and slipped away with her" Led Zeppelin quote dates me but it is how I feel about the difficulty rise. ____________________________________ ___________________________________ https://blockchain.info/blocks397819 (Main Chain) 2016-02-11 03:09:13 about 21 hours left._
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phil, this club spurred me (and many others Im sure) to dig deeper into hardware, electronics, testing, setups etc than any previous mining endeavor. the speedrun in particular was the most fun Ive yet had mining, and my current setup is based directly on this clubs observations and testing.
thanks to everyone! and especially THANK YOU PHIL!!!
you are very welcome. and we are now at which is just over 24 hours left. https://blockchain.info/blocks397786 (Main Chain) 2016-02-10 23:18:32 I will keep the rentals going until 2016-02-12 00:00:01 http://solo.ckpool.org/workers/1JiWuyX94wrCr7JhkAn7x5qNMCEef1KhqX.Jan11philipma1957sticks
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Do a whole house surge protector at your main panel.
Square deal makes them.
You need two open circuits on the panel.
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A lot of this can be avoided if you use 2011 or 2012 model mac minis.
Two mac minis say 2012 basic models and a few external cloned hdds with indentical wallets. + bitcoin core.
One macmini uses an internal hdd without bitcoin core 0.11.2
one macmini uses an internal hdd with bitcoin core 0.11.2 it runs the node 24/7/365 and is up to date
clone the hdd 4 copies
two in a safedeposit box
two in house .
a clone with made with superduper will work on any 2012 model macmini
when it boots and you start bitcoin core you will not be behind by a lot and you can have pretty good backups.
this also solves the dead mother board issue since the cloned hdd will work on any 2012 mac mini.
the biggest security issue is losing the cloned hdd. but a decent password on the bitcoin core is pretty helpful.
just do not run two cloned hdds on two mac minis at the same time since they are the same bitcoin core it could confuse the block chain
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nice to something from your company.
you simply look to be far too late to bring the new gear to market.
last few jumps make your gear look poor roi to many of us.
next Jump we go to a diff of 170 and a Hash Rate of 1300 ph.
Difficulty History
Date Difficulty Change Hash Rate Feb 07 2016 144,116,447,847 20.06% 1,031,625,717 GH/s Jan 26 2016 120,033,340,651 5.89% 859,232,121 GH/s Jan 13 2016 113,354,299,801 9.12% 811,421,684 GH/s Dec 31 2015 103,880,340,815 11.16% 743,604,444 GH/s Dec 18 2015 93,448,670,796 18.14% 668,931,642 GH/s
If you want people to get your gear it needs to be here now.
Last time I purchased Bitfury gear I spent 17 BTC it was delayed and by the time I got it it was obsolete.
Looks to me like you are bringing out your new gear far too slowly just like you did back in 2013.
I would have liked something maybe 5 to 6 thousand worth maybe even 10 thousand usd , but It just seems to be I won't get it anywhere near on time.
Next jump a 4th unit fully built for 600 usd that would burn 280 watts looks like an okay piece of gear.
We both know there is no way you will be delivering that unit in 8 days. More like 8 weeks.
Sad as the gear I purchased from your company (bitfury chips were in it) was good gear just came along too late.
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@ xZork you are welcome @ DICE1904 you are welcome.
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What's the numbers for a 48-chip refit giving you 4TH 240W wall down to 2.6TH 200W wall for, say, $600 all in? That could be possible with ASICs at about $8, which is really about the most I'd want to pay.
I will play with that set up . If you can build 4 th at 600 usd that uses .07 watts which is 280 watts it could do roi right near the ½ ing based on 6 cent power---------- based on 600 usd price for the miner based on 399 usd a coin. and based on 7% growth. the need for gear may be not for filled as diff is that high. I believe s-7's built at 300-400 usd mining at 2 cents are doing the diff jump
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so lets look at growth and when would chips get into sidehack's hands crunch numbers yada yada yada this is a bust at 1,000,000 usd for 75,000 chips. even if a board was made and ready to populate right now. lets say current hash growth has been done by bitmaintech to hurt the bitfury chip. they succeeded. if I make a bitfury miner that can do .07 watts to .12 watts per gh 20 chip miner 1th to 2th 70watts to 240 watts the 20 chips will cost me 260 usd controller software etc I can't build a board to fit an s-3 as a drop in fit for 300 usd not with chips costing 260 the assembled board and the shipping will be at least 350 usd (certainly more) So I tell an s-1 or an s-3 owner give me 500 for 1 drop in board that maxes at 240 watts and 2 th or mins at 70 watts and 1 th . I can mail it to you by the 175 diff mark which is in a few days. so do an roi on a 500$ board assuming you have an s-1 or an s-3 to drop it into. roi at 20% is never roi at 15% is never roi at 10% is never drop price to 400 power at 6 cents roi at 20% is never roi at 15% is never roi at 10% is never so a 2th 240 watt drop in board right now does not roi and I am not counting the ½ ing even if growth drops to 5% it does not roi. We are watching a play much like Gordian knot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordian_KnotChinese mining farms at 2 cent power have decided to max hash and take as many of the coins they can before the ½ ing. A company that builds the s-7 for 200 or 300 usd and makes 1000ph of them can just add them and keep growth rate over 10% this unties the knot with brute force. The 14-16 gear will lose money at 6 cents power and 400 usd for 2th in hand right now
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