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3241  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN PoS+ PoW] eXocoin [EXO] - gen 2.0 - developed from scratch! Free Give-Away on: February 27, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
so im going to go ahead and put this out there so that as many people know about it as possible before round 2.

escrow for round 2 will work differently from round 1

Instead of using a spreadsheet to keep up with everything, im actually just going to use the built in functionality of the accounting ledger that is already provided for us by the bitcoin blockchain. There are many advantages. I will not have to do the same work twice for no reason. Also it elimiates the possibility for human error. what this will mean is that if you participate in round 2 you MUST BE ABLE TO SIGN a message with one of the addresses that you send from.

now don't freak out. Its very simple and for anyone who doesn't know how to do this I will personally walk you through every step and teach you how.

im going to be posting this several times to make sure that everyone sees it because the one big drawback to this is that if you send from an exchange or an address that you dont control than you will be donating your coins to me. granted this is a significant drawback but weighed against the advantages I think its worth it.


I suppose that means that is not possibile to send coins
from an exchange directly as it was in the 1st stage?
 Huh

that's correct

F**k NO good for me!  Angry
I don't use bitcoin at all I just needed it to buy some NXT and some other alt coins
as nobody wants to accept FIAT therefore I had to open an account on an exchange site
and send from there.



i understand this is going to be an inconvenience for some people but i feel very strongly that the benefits outweigh the costs.

its very simple to create a blockchain.info e-wallet. it literally takes less than a minute and you will be able to sign any messages you need from there.

Creates a tutorial "SIGN for dummies". I'm afraid to do shit... have money involved.
Smiley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S88ciN9DsRk
3242  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN PoS+ PoW] eXocoin [EXO] - gen 2.0 - developed from scratch! Free Give-Away on: February 27, 2014, 05:50:33 PM
so im going to go ahead and put this out there so that as many people know about it as possible before round 2.

escrow for round 2 will work differently from round 1

Instead of using a spreadsheet to keep up with everything, im actually just going to use the built in functionality of the accounting ledger that is already provided for us by the bitcoin blockchain. There are many advantages. I will not have to do the same work twice for no reason. Also it elimiates the possibility for human error. what this will mean is that if you participate in round 2 you MUST BE ABLE TO SIGN a message with one of the addresses that you send from.

now don't freak out. Its very simple and for anyone who doesn't know how to do this I will personally walk you through every step and teach you how.

im going to be posting this several times to make sure that everyone sees it because the one big drawback to this is that if you send from an exchange or an address that you dont control than you will be donating your coins to me. granted this is a significant drawback but weighed against the advantages I think its worth it.


I suppose that means that is not possibile to send coins
from an exchange directly as it was in the 1st stage?
 Huh

that's correct

F**k NO good for me!  Angry
I don't use bitcoin at all I just needed it to buy some NXT and some other alt coins
as nobody wants to accept FIAT therefore I had to open an account on an exchange site
and send from there.



i understand this is going to be an inconvenience for some people but i feel very strongly that the benefits outweigh the costs.

its very simple to create a blockchain.info e-wallet. it literally takes less than a minute and you will be able to sign any messages you need from there.
3243  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Andreas Antonopoulos on the power of Bitcoin on: February 27, 2014, 03:25:08 PM
A bit long, ain't it? Andreas speaks quite well about the crypto world.

its worth it. hes on fire in this video.
He's always on fire when it comes to crypto/bitcoin.

hes particularly on fire in this video
3244  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Andreas Antonopoulos on the power of Bitcoin on: February 27, 2014, 03:05:17 PM
A bit long, ain't it? Andreas speaks quite well about the crypto world.

its worth it. hes on fire in this video.
3245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN PoS+ PoW] eXocoin [EXO] - gen 2.0 - developed from scratch! Free Give-Away on: February 27, 2014, 02:58:38 PM
so im going to go ahead and put this out there so that as many people know about it as possible before round 2.

escrow for round 2 will work differently from round 1

Instead of using a spreadsheet to keep up with everything, im actually just going to use the built in functionality of the accounting ledger that is already provided for us by the bitcoin blockchain. There are many advantages. I will not have to do the same work twice for no reason. Also it elimiates the possibility for human error. what this will mean is that if you participate in round 2 you MUST BE ABLE TO SIGN a message with one of the addresses that you send from.

now don't freak out. Its very simple and for anyone who doesn't know how to do this I will personally walk you through every step and teach you how.

im going to be posting this several times to make sure that everyone sees it because the one big drawback to this is that if you send from an exchange or an address that you dont control than you will be donating your coins to me. granted this is a significant drawback but weighed against the advantages I think its worth it.


I suppose that means that is not possibile to send coins
from an exchange directly as it was in the 1st stage?
 Huh

that's correct
3246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN PoS+ PoW] eXocoin [EXO] - gen 2.0 - developed from scratch! Free Give-Away on: February 27, 2014, 02:57:27 PM
so im going to go ahead and put this out there so that as many people know about it as possible before round 2.

escrow for round 2 will work differently from round 1

Instead of using a spreadsheet to keep up with everything, im actually just going to use the built in functionality of the accounting ledger that is already provided for us by the bitcoin blockchain. There are many advantages. I will not have to do the same work twice for no reason. Also it elimiates the possibility for human error. what this will mean is that if you participate in round 2 you MUST BE ABLE TO SIGN a message with one of the addresses that you send from.

now don't freak out. Its very simple and for anyone who doesn't know how to do this I will personally walk you through every step and teach you how.

im going to be posting this several times to make sure that everyone sees it because the one big drawback to this is that if you send from an exchange or an address that you dont control than you will be donating your coins to me. granted this is a significant drawback but weighed against the advantages I think its worth it.

Can signatures be written from blockchain.info wallets?

they sure can
3247  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: February 27, 2014, 07:29:33 AM
what kind of font best matches the nxt logo for things like the the text on my silver bar that will say "10 troy ounces of 999 fine silver"?

*edit* rounded letters because the nxt logo is made out of circles but it need to look professional at the same time

Anon, are you close to 'firing up' your silver bullion gateway?

rofl. no way. this is a process. im working on a final sketchup of my mould. then i have to hire a cad expert to interpret it into cad. then i have to find a machinist to mill the mould for me. then i have to buy silver and a forge. then i have to pray to jesus that it actually works!

Are you planning on casting the bars yourself by hand?

yes
3248  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: February 27, 2014, 06:51:16 AM
what kind of font best matches the nxt logo for things like the the text on my silver bar that will say "10 troy ounces of 999 fine silver"?

*edit* rounded letters because the nxt logo is made out of circles but it need to look professional at the same time

Anon, are you close to 'firing up' your silver bullion gateway?

rofl. no way. this is a process. im working on a final sketchup of my mould. then i have to hire a cad expert to interpret it into cad. then i have to find a machinist to mill the mould for me. then i have to buy silver and a forge. then i have to pray to jesus that it actually works!
3249  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: February 27, 2014, 06:43:23 AM
so i really like this motto "Ordo Ab Chao". should i let the fact that this motto is typically used by high ranking free masons stop me from putting it on my bars? i can just hear the conspiracy theories now Roll Eyes

*edit* i really think it perfectly represents everything that our movement stands for
3250  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: February 27, 2014, 06:21:21 AM
i think ill probably go with courier new
3251  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: February 27, 2014, 06:14:24 AM
what kind of font best matches the nxt logo for things like the the text on my silver bar that will say "10 troy ounces of 999 fine silver"?

*edit* rounded letters because the nxt logo is made out of circles but it need to look professional at the same time
3252  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Anon136's Silver Bullion NXT Gateway on: February 27, 2014, 05:13:00 AM
in an attempt to solve a difficult problem i had to come up with a work around for how to design my bar. but in retrospect the changes that i had to make actually are kinda awesome. its going to be a really cool and unique looking bar Smiley

im breaking new ground here guys. this thing im doing. the industry expert that im consulting with, he doesn't think its ever been tried before but he also thinks its going to work Grin
3253  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People actually thought bitcoin was dead because of MtGox? on: February 27, 2014, 05:06:49 AM
The truly decentralized currency will be tradeable directly from the wallet with no middleman whatsoever.

How to do that securely? I don't have the technical savvy to have an answer for that.

its very difficult if not imposable to solve the doublespend problem that way
3254  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: February 27, 2014, 04:56:49 AM
This is an idea that has been going on my mind for some time.I wrote this now,and it is still very ambiguous,as i only want to bring the idea to see if its viable or brings interest.I could develop it more if it gets interest.Note that i am not a programmer or anything similar,so i didnt get deep in this first version with the technical side.I am just passionate about Nxt and read all i can about it and know what kind of things could be done.
 Ive made a living from poker since i was 17(26 now) and I know gambling is not nice for many of you and wouldnt like Nxt related with it,and i am against gambling too in any kind of casino games,or in any way it could be consider hustling. But i think there is nothing wrong if 2 persons want to bet on a fair event.
Gambling is something done worldwide and a new environment for it, fast,private and secure on Internet ,would bring HUGE interest on Nxt




NxtBet

1-Introduction
2-Betting process
3-How can Nxt make this better
4-How it works
5-Risks
6-Conclusion

1-Introduction.
Betting is something that will always exist,it is part of our nature.But betting nowadays is a monopoly of some companies or states(if regulated),which result in abusing odds for everyone,making betting a shell game where only the companies win.

Nxt was born with the idea of bringing a decentralized environment for every kind of exchange,and could perfectly be used to offer a platform where people could exchange “action”.

Online sportsbetting is a huge market that moves billionaire amounts of money.It is possible to bet on many websites,betting against the site,or in an exchange betting against other people.
The objective of this project is not to win money from the bettors,but to give them a place where they can bet fairly with their own conditions,without losing a lot of value.

Normal sites,charge from 10 to 20% for betting in simple events.E.g.: you want to bet on who will start having possession in a football game,which is decided on a coinflip.This should be paid 2 to 1(decimal odds) as there is a 50% chance of guessing,but you often find that you are paid somewhere from 1.80 to 1.95.This EV (expected value) lost,where sportbooks get their margin from,is used to pay taxes,licenses,operation costs and HUGE BENEFITS.


2-Betting process


The idea is to simplify all the betting procedure.

Nowadays to bet you need to create an account on a betting site,give all your personal details and verify ID.In regulated countries governments may have all the information of how much did you bet,and won/lost.
Then you need to deposit money (credit card,bank transfer or online wallet),and verify the depositing method.They may not credit your deposit until its verified,and then you will have a balance that lets you place a bet.

Once you place a bet you have to trust the site to pay it correctly,which often is not a problem.Anyway,there are some markets that can bring some trouble,like tennis games,where if someone retires too soon,the bet could be considered void.Nxtbet would have to be careful with this kind of markets,avoiding them,or having 100% clear rules on how they will be treated.

At any time,you can cash out money,up to the amount that appears in your balance.Depositing and cashing out,is putting trust in the site,hoping they will keep safe the deposits,and pay you.In some cases,disasters have happened,like the mtgox case,with sites not paying out.Often the sites also delay the cashouts as much as they can,to keep the money as long as possible and get revenues from it(interests ,
investments,etc.)


3-How can Nxt make this better

The normal process requires  depositing money in a site,and leaving it there for a long time,in case you want to bet.If you suddenly want to bet on something,it would take plenty of time to create an account,verify it and deposit money.
Leaving money in the site is the best way to catch a bet if you suddenly want to place it,or you risk missing it.And in case you wanted to cash out to use that money on anything else,it  would also take days or weeks until you receive it.

With Nxt a bet could consist of a single escrowed or multi-signature transaction,where a third-party would verify the result of the event,and decide who receives the whole transaction.This way you dont need to trust a site to keep your money and data.
So when you bet on something,for example 100 Nxt,you would only have those 100 Nxt “stopped” until the result is known,instead of having much more money in the site,and waiting to cash it out.
It also provides 100% privacy.



4-How it works

Nxtbet would provide a site similar to www.betfair.com ,which is a P2P exchange market.And it works the same way as any exchange.People places bids or asks, requesting odds on a single event.


When there is a coincidence on the odds requested(A wants 2 to 1 on something happening,and B wants 2 to 1 on the same event not happening), a transaction is created,where each side would put the amount they risk,and a third-party verifies the result and sends the money to the winner.

All this should be done automatically.An option could be to put all the results of the markets in a blockchain,or any kind of ledger,and make the transaction consult that database to verify the result and decide who receives the transaction.

This way the money is never in others hands,and nobody has the information about your bets.


5-Risks

I think all the process could be programmed.But as it happens with P2P decentralized exchanges,there is no way of verifying real life events,so  it  cant be made 100% decentralized.

There is some centralization required to verify the results.It is the only thing that may need to find a solution.It can still be made working as a company,whose only function would be to offer the exchange platform,the mechanism for transactions, and get the results,and put them in the ledger where transactions will search for the result.
Its not how it would work ideally with Nxt,but it is still much better than traditional betting sites.

The only chance of stealing would be to bet on an event,knowing you will put that same result in the ledger to win the bet.It would require real-life mechanisms to avoid that happening.


6-Conclusion

Nxtbet goal is to bring a place where people could bet freely,without limits, on a secure way,without paying huge fees.This would let people bet without losing any value,so they would have the best possible odds,and without giving any private information.

It could be  100% decentralized if possible,or as a private company on top of Nxt.

The market is huge and almost everyone is concerned with how much companies/regulations take from their bets(and they keep betting!).
I think it would be great as a killer app to promote Nxt.

Even as a private company,i think this would bring profit not taking anything from bets,and getting donations,educating people on how they are getting 100% value and its worth to give a tip to maintain Nxtbet,similar to Nxt forging philosophy.But if necessary,it could still get a minimal %,as there is so much margin.

If it had success,the trust it requires from people to use it,would have to increase proggressively;this means,not moving millions the first weeks/months,and bring the necessary real life mechanisms working as a company in the things that require trust.This is risky because a scam in this would have a very negative effect.


just have the derivatives issued by the person who will be the judge of the outcome. or have the judge be chosen by the person who issues the derivative. its the least bad solution.
3255  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN PoS+ PoW] eXocoin [EXO] - gen 2.0 - developed from scratch! Free Give-Away on: February 27, 2014, 04:01:49 AM
so im going to go ahead and put this out there so that as many people know about it as possible before round 2.

escrow for round 2 will work differently from round 1

Instead of using a spreadsheet to keep up with everything, im actually just going to use the built in functionality of the accounting ledger that is already provided for us by the bitcoin blockchain. There are many advantages. I will not have to do the same work twice for no reason. Also it elimiates the possibility for human error. what this will mean is that if you participate in round 2 you MUST BE ABLE TO SIGN a message with one of the addresses that you send from.

now don't freak out. Its very simple and for anyone who doesn't know how to do this I will personally walk you through every step and teach you how.

im going to be posting this several times to make sure that everyone sees it because the one big drawback to this is that if you send from an exchange or an address that you dont control than you will be donating your coins to me. granted this is a significant drawback but weighed against the advantages I think its worth it.
3256  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People actually thought bitcoin was dead because of MtGox? on: February 26, 2014, 07:39:42 PM
This is why we need a decentralized exchange, owned by nobody.   The Mastercoin Foundation is creating the first.  And I am quite certain there are more in the pipeline.

Centralized exchanges will be a remnant of the beginning stages of Bitcoin.  
I haven't read up much on the concept of decentralized exchanges yet.  I'm curious, how would a decentralized exchange handle the process of moving the fiat cash among the users fast enough to act as an exchange?
decentralized exchanges don't operate with the actual underlying asset, rather debt denominated instruments. so you would buy "8 BobOwesMeOneDollar tokens" and then take them down to bob who lives down the street and trade them to bob for 8 dollars.

I'm not sure I see the difference between Mark Karapeles refusing to give me my $8 and Bob from the "decentralized exchange" refusing to give me my $8.

It sounds a bit like localbitcoins.com, which works well if you have someone nearby that is participating, but is completely useless if you live in a region that doesn't have a lot of participation in the "decentralized solution".

sure well there are some similarities ill grant but there are also a lot of differences. it would be a lot like localbitcoins except with price discovery. also it has decentralization which grants it resilience, if bob goes out of business than he isnt going to drag the market down like gox has. maybe he'll bring it down by a dollar or two, not hundreds. it becomes failure tolerant.

on the surface it looks a lot like localbitcoins but by operating as an open source protocol it allows for new layers to be built ontop in a way that we cant do with a centralized system like localbitcoins. its analogous to saying that "i cant really see the difference between bitcoin and credit cards, i can pay for my lunch with either one". one example would be, individual actors could federate, they could agree to accept each others instruments, then we have the best of both worlds, deep and liquid markets with the fault tolerance that comes from the decentralization of different issuers.
3257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information on: February 26, 2014, 07:02:23 PM
One final thing I will say about the (lack of proper) statistical analysis is that for my own involvement in Nxt I would rather be paid in BTC (if I am to be paid anything at all).

I have read proper statistical papers (such as created by Meni) with sound math describing all of the possible attacks upon Bitcoin and I am much more satisfied with that then the "just trust BCNext's algorithm argument" who himself btw actually stated "don't trust me".

It seems that things like "proper analysis" are not things that this community wants to do or even hear about. Sad


i for one appreciated hearing about your statistical analysis. i didn't say anything to you about it because it seems like you usually don't respond to my posts. it could be that im just missing your responses or something, i dont follow everything in this thread.
3258  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People actually thought bitcoin was dead because of MtGox? on: February 26, 2014, 05:47:45 PM
This is why we need a decentralized exchange, owned by nobody.   The Mastercoin Foundation is creating the first.  And I am quite certain there are more in the pipeline.

Centralized exchanges will be a remnant of the beginning stages of Bitcoin.  

I haven't read up much on the concept of decentralized exchanges yet.  I'm curious, how would a decentralized exchange handle the process of moving the fiat cash among the users fast enough to act as an exchange?

decentralized exchanges don't operate with the actual underlying asset, rather debt denominated instruments. so you would buy "8 BobOwesMeOneDollar tokens" and then take them down to bob who lives down the street and trade them to bob for 8 dollars. Next, with time, the market would provide pressure for people to federate inorder to provide deeper more liquid markets and instead of 8 BobBux, you would buy 8 FederationBux of which bob is a member. Insurance companies would arise to allow federations to price and homogenize risk among their members.
3259  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: People actually thought bitcoin was dead because of MtGox? on: February 26, 2014, 04:18:29 PM
I was watching CNN today while getting ready for work and they had a 30 second tidbit on bitcoin... basically saying bitcoin has "collapsed" and users unexpectedly lost money from the shutdown of the most respected exchange. Fucking lol... why is the media so retarded?



when ever the media talks about the thing that you know a lot about you realize how little they know about that thing. however the truth is that it isnt isolated to the thing that you happen to know a lot about, every person who is an expert in a field sees that field butchered by the media but thinks it only applies to his or her field. the truth is they butcher everything just the way they butcher bitcoin and you would see the same sort of shit in every single other topic they cover if you could be an expert in everything.
3260  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN PoS+ PoW] eXocoin [EXO] - gen 2.0 - developed from scratch! Free Give-Away on: February 26, 2014, 06:53:11 AM
I think there is not enough upside being an early-bird investor, 20% more for placing blind faith investment is just not worth it. But, to be honest, I only invested because I thought most people would wait for the second round  Grin most people came to the same conclusion, leading us to here. So in that context its fair we made our bet now we cant cry about it.

im not so concerned about upside. im mostly just concerned that there isn't a downside to it. as long as early birds don't receive less eXo/btc than i think everyone ought to be happy.

Were u really serious about heavycoin Huh why is it called heavy Grin

heavycoin and i were not able to reach an agreement.
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