Esta noche estuvo gmaxwell en el IRC. Os dejo un extracto de sus frases y alguna más de apoyo. Lo siento pero está en inglés, no puedo pararme a traducirlo. [2014-02-07 05:06:11] < gmaxwell> I talked to him some a while back and offered support, an gave some advice. It's my belief that the original issues are likely fixed now and there is just a cluster-@#$@# of double spent transactions that needs to be sorted. [2014-02-07 05:07:08] < gmaxwell> dizko: I believe they're all failing now because they're frequently spending previously spent inputs not due to non-canonical signatures. [2014-02-07 05:08:05] < gmaxwell> dizko: no, they had two original problems. One was that they were spending immature coins, resulting in transactions which _couldn't_ be confirmed for up to 100 blocks. [2014-02-07 05:08:38] < gmaxwell> And their wallet tracking problems were such that this wasn't trivially fixed. [2014-02-07 05:09:05] < gmaxwell> the other was that they were producing signatures was invalid der encodings (excessively padded) which the bitcoin nodes stopped relaying and mining in 0.8+ [2014-02-07 05:09:22] < gmaxwell> dizko: there appears now to be a third issue [2014-02-07 05:10:05] < gmaxwell> dizko: which is that if someone helpfully 'fixed' the R,S non-canonication by removing the excess padding and the network confirmed the transaction mtgox's software wouldn't notice and would attempt to spend the same inputs in a future transaction. [2014-02-07 05:11:53] < gmaxwell> dizko: the reason for this is that the 'fixed' transactions had a different transaction ID and thus were ignored by their software. [2014-02-07 05:14:17] < gmaxwell> dizko: in any case, as phantomcircuit pointed out here the non-recognition of the mutated transactions may have caused doubled payments. [2014-02-07 05:15:11] < gmaxwell> so now, I _imagine_, there is now a huge mess to sort out which of the reissued transactions were really originally confirmed and thus mistakingly refunded / reissued to the customer. [2014-02-07 05:15:27] < gmaxwell> (e.g. and they may have been robbed a bit in the process) [2014-02-07 05:18:42] < gmaxwell> modrobert: Yes. Or at least reissued and issued. E.g. they make a payment to you that gets stuck, someone helpfully fixes the payment and helps it go through, then mtgox notices the transaction is stuck— but doesn't notice the fixed transaction because it has a different txid— and tries it again using different inputs. Perhaps both go through. [2014-02-07 05:19:17] < gmaxwell> Then you have the software thinking that the original coins the first transaction spend were unspent, and it tries to use them on someone elses transaction— and so that one gets stuck too. [2014-02-07 05:20:39] < gmaxwell> This mostly stems from a minor design flaw in the Bitcoin protocol that we've been slowly removing— that Bitcoin transactions can be mutated by third parties to change their TXIDs— (it's difficult to remove since wallets must change their signing behavior)... plus mtgox's custom wallet software failing to handle the bad things that the design flaw results in. [2014-02-07 05:21:24] < gmaxwell> modrobert: right but there are _other_ non-stuck transactions which spent the coins that the stuck transactions were trying to spend. Sorry, it's a bit difficult to explain this to you because you've likely been misinformed about how Bitcoin works under the hood. [2014-02-07 05:23:12] < gmaxwell> oakpacific: nah, the nature of the bug was that it would only be eronious some percentage of the time. The problem was that they were making the signatures fixed length (e.g. always 34 bytes or whatever) and sometimes the numbers in the signature were smaller and so the signature should have been smaller. [2014-02-07 05:27:21] < gmaxwell> modrobert: so mtgox has some software problems due to not accomidating a surprising design error in bitcoin, where they've lost track of which coins of theirs are already spent or not, and they keep spending them over again. [2014-02-07 05:27:46] < gmaxwell> (the design error in bitcoin being that a third party can change the txid of your own transactions) [2014-02-07 05:28:18] < dizko> gmaxwell: shouldnt they just export their private keys and import them into a working wallet? they can stop withdrawals for the weekend and come back with clean outputs to spend [2014-02-07 05:29:12] < gmaxwell> dizko: maybe they're doing that now, with their fantastic communication skills you wouldn't know! :) they also have to make sure they don't let anyone withdraw funds they already got. [2014-02-07 05:29:48] < gmaxwell> dignork: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_Malleability (I haven't (recently) reviewd that page, so I can't vouch for its accuracy on the details) [2014-02-07 05:31:10] < gmaxwell> Magicaltux used to talk here a lot but I think he made problems for himself in doing so. e.g. speaking prematurely or on speculation. It's especially hard to communicate when you have to contend with regulators trying to shut you down and lawsuits and such— anything you say could be prejudicial to these interests. [2014-02-07 05:32:44] < gmaxwell> I have gotten the impression that a lot of the gnarly core technical stuff is being done by magicaltux personally and that he simply doesn't have the bandwidth for that on top of the legal and regulatory matters, especially at gox's current siz.e [2014-02-07 05:32:45] < drenllateno> "gmaxwell (the design error in bitcoin being that a third party can change the txid of your own transactions)" Can this be changed or fixed? [2014-02-07 05:34:11] < gmaxwell> drenllateno: we're fixing it, but it will take years to fix completely because all sigining software must be updated. The first concrete step towards this was forbidding excessively padded transactions in bitcoin 0.8. Because mtgox was still producing these transactions some times this contributed to their initial issues, highlighting how hard and dangerous fixing this stuff is.
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[2014-02-07 06:43:39] < gmaxwell> 20:29 < gmaxwell> dizko: maybe they're doing that now, with their fantastic communication skills you wouldn't know! :) << There we go: https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140207.html
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A mí también me lleva todo el día sin funcionar. No somos los únicos. Edito: ah mira, acabo de ver que ya me funciona. Pero hace media hora todavía lo tenía roto. No hay nada como quejarse!! ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) (he separado este asunto del hilo de análisis técnico, donde no pintaba nada)
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I would only use an exchange as a last resort if there is no possibility of a local p2p trade.
LocalBitcoins.com
Agreed but the spread in Spain (or Madrid at least) is awful. People are greedy.
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Mtgox ha devuelto los 2 btc a mi cuenta. También he recuperado el 0.001 de comisión que cobraron. Estoy feliz ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Gracias por el dato ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) .
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En la respuesta de blockchain.info a Apple pone lo siguiente: The decision attacks a nascent and innovative technology that is empowering more than 2.5 million users on a vast variety of computing devices A saber de dónde se habrán sacado el numerito.
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¿Algúna teoría metraquilata?
Probablemente ni sabe hacerla ni tiene para pagar a alguien que se la haga.
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Alguien sabe alguna manera mas directa de contactar con ellos? Que no sea ticket.
Usuario de este foro tienen?
El twitter lo tienen capado.
El facebook lo mismo y no actualizan desde diciembre.
Algun mail que no sea el de prensa?
En el IRC puedes hablar con un par de personas o 3 que están en plan soporte, pero no van a decirte nada que no sepas ya. Si tienes mucha suerte a lo mejor te responde el señor Karpeles en persona…
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@majamalu @paraipan: ¿qué se hace con estos hilos escritos en inglés? Otro que me mosquea bastante, a pesar de las buenas intenciones del autor, es el de soporte de btc-e.
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Fuck useless petitions on the internet. If you want to speak, do it with your pockets. An please share the videos of your iDevices in flames ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) .
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Han salido al paso de las quejas con un comunicado diciendo que solo pasa a unas pocas transacciones y de cantidades grandes, MENTIRA. Con el debido respeto, es mentira que hayan dicho que "solo pasa a unas pocas transacciones y de cantidades grandes". Lo que han dicho, con énfasis mío, es "This problem applies primarily to larger transactions, […]. Smaller transactions should be fine in the meantime", que en mi humilde opinión no es lo mismo. Ayer a las 19:30 retire un poco mas de 1 BTC y TODAVIA ESTOY ESPERANDO, el hash que pone en account history no aparece en blockchain , tampoco si busco por la direccion de destino. Hay gente que intenta retirar 0.1 y tampoco le chuta. Depende, entre otras cosas, del número de inputs que tenga la tx, y de aquí viene aquello de que es posible que sacar poca pasta vaya mejor, pero no hay garantías. También leí que alguien sacó 100 BTC sin problemas. En fin, que sacar coins de gox es una lotería. Tal como mencioné en otro hilo, las coins se quedan 7 días en el limbo y luego te vuelven. Fíjate si te devuelven también la comisión, que en teoría ya debería estar listo (a mí no me la devolvieron). He abierto un ticket y ni lo han visto, porque te notifican cuando lo asignan a un agente y ni eso.
En mi experiencia los tickets tardan unos días en ser asignados. Sí que da penica, sí…
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What a BS statement. What transactions are considered large? 5btc?
Because i just tried to withdraw 5btc and nothing. Same problem of not showing on blockchain. Fck you Gox.
There are people in #mtgox with failed 0.25 BTC withdrawals. So the "smaller is better" is total BS.
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¿Esto no debería ir a esquina libre?
*runs his ass off…
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Wait what? someone finally created Coinjoin? This is so awesome! ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) There are a couple of previous attempts, search for andytoshi and coinmux.
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Las retiradas de BTC que se hayan quedado en el limbo, cuando llegan a 7 días, se cancelan y aparecen en el saldo de nuevo. En el historial aparece un apunte diciendo que es por "timeout". La comisión por retirar (0.0010) no la devuelven pero "están trabajando en ellou". Fuente: irc://freenode.net/#mtgox.
En mi caso, la cosa ya estaba en 12 días y puedo confirmar que me han reintegrado las coins en el saldo. En fin, no es en gox donde las quiero pero prefiero que estén allí y no en la otra esfera.
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Most people who got there btc from legit transactions wouldn't need any mixing service.
So you wouldn't mind your landlord upping the rent after learning your monthly income?
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I heard the shared coin still leaves a connection to the original coins, where as shared send was a complete tumbling service?
If everyone uses this, eventually all coins end up being "tainted".
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Estoy en una duda grande: si dejar que mis BTC se depositen en Blockchain (y así correr un poco más de "riesgo" por estar más vulnerable a terceros) o usar un software offline como Multibit. Uno offline en linux, con un usuario dedicado, es una opción razonable. Mi otra pregunta es la siguiente: una vez que tengo un fichero .wallet creado en Multibit, ¿directamente ya estoy habilitado a recibir el pago con mi ID? Recibirías pagos en tus direcciones. No sé a qué te refieres con tu ID. En caso de querer abrir esta misma billetera en otra computadora, ¿debo usar el archivo .wallet y automáticamente me muestra los fondos que tengo?
En principio sí pero esto no se recomienda hacerlo. Si ese otro equipo no es tuyo, no uses bitcoin en él. Si es tuyo, usa otro monedero diferente.
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-Imprimiré en papel varias veces las contraseñas únicas. Las contraseñas no se imprimen ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) . -Cada archivo cifrado lo volveré a cifrar con una contraseña más simple y habitual que pueda recordar y que será la misma para todos los archivos. ¿Qué finalidad tiene esto? -Descifraré las dos claves e importaré la clave privada a algún servicio como Blockchain.info Mejor usa un electrum local. Existe una probabilidad distinta de cero de que BC.i sea hackeada justo un minuto antes de que tú les regales tu privkey.
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-Usaré mi viejo portátil pero cargando Linux Tails (en principio parece la más recomendada, ¿es pasarse ya esto?) desde USB.
Tú defines lo que es pasarse y lo que no. Pasarse es incómodo pero si no te pasas, a lo mejor te quedas sin coins. Yo a veces cuando meto contraseñas bajo la persiana… incluso estando a oscuras en la habita (ya que raramente enciendo la luz). Yo mi paper wallet lo generé con Tails.
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El autor es el mismo, y con un minuto de diferencia... Eso me suena BIPOLAR...juasjuasjuas
No, me refiero a que estos de El mundo hace unos pocos meses tenían un discurso muy diferente a este.
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