After this, the base is not a secret anymore That's the trick of much of the Internet. You might be able to find the photographer, but you might, also, find that he is unable to tell us where he took the picture.  |
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Everything you said following this was based upon either deliberately or accidentally ignoring that which has been highlighted. Here's one for you : A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.[1]
The so-called typical "attacking a straw man" argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition by covertly replacing it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and then to refute or defeat that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the original proposition.[2][3]
This technique has been used throughout history in polemical debate, particularly in arguments about highly charged emotional issues where a fiery, entertaining "battle" and the defeat of an "enemy" may be more valued than critical thinking or understanding both sides of the issue. Not sure what you are getting at. Disbelieving something is simply a stronger way to say it that to say believing it is not. For example, in law, if there is a void judgement, one would not say, "the judgment is void." To say, "the judgment is void" is to at least suggest that there was a judgment. If it is said like, "the void judgment," there is denial that the judgment even existed. Call it what you will, or attempt to believe or disbelieve what you will, the fact is that there is scientific proof that God exists. Someday, this proof may be overturned. There are reasonable theories that are almost doing it right now by becoming proof. Until they come out of the theory stage, God exists. In the face of proof, disbelieving is a religion... especially if it is expressed with evermore firmly understood and repeated dogma.  As a layman, I'm pretty well informed, and have not seen this so-called proof. I've seen a lot of bunk science from "young earth creationists". So, gimme links. As always, I'm willing to consider other points of view. Right in this thread at: snip
Proof for God lies in the combining of 3 things:
1. Action and reaction (cause and effect), Newton's 3rd Law;
2. The fact of a complex universe, including all things therein;
3. Standard, simple entropy, which doesn't include all the latest theoretical stuff about entropy.
snip However, what I was getting at, very specifically, is that you used the modern definition of atheist (which I accept) to make an argument and refute it. That argument was predicated on NOT ACKNOWLEDGING that part of that definition is a simple disbelief, not a dogmatic "there is no god". I work from the "the proofs are insufficient for such a bold claim" ideation. One cannot disprove a negative. Thank you for extending the explanation of your dogma regarding your religion of non-religion. I will state, AGAIN, that if there IS an all powerful deity, it doesn't care to be worshipped. This, too, is based on logic. If there is an all powerful deity, and it wishes to be worshipped, there could only possibly be ONE religion. Because if the deity is all powerful, it can EASILY make it's wishes known, and if it wishes to be worshipped, it would do so. The fact that there in existence literally thousands of ideations of "gods" proves beyond any reasonable doubt that they are all false. Now you who don't want to believe that there is an all powerful Deity are trying to dictate what such a Deity would be like? How silly! Even if God were not all powerful, He is so far beyond anything that we can imagine, that there is no way to limit Him by our tiny logic. I mean, do you have the understanding of how He rolled out the heavens? Do you have any clue whatsoever about how He made cause and effect to operate for thousands of years so that it produces the intelligence of people today? Come on! Give yourself a break! This of course does not directly address the question of whether or not there are gods. Because if there are, they are hiding their existence, and have structured the universe in such a way that it CAN BE understood based solely on observed phenomena, and those observed phenomena generally have a less fantastical explanation than "god did it". Rather, it is people like you who are attempting to hide the existence of God. Look, again, at the proof for God listed above, and if it isn't quite enough proof for you, it is such strong evidence that it outweighs all the evidence that God doesn't exist, a million+ times over. The understanding of the physical universe at the times of the writings of the various "holy books" was, to put it politely, dismal. That they got a few things right with almost no rigor is nothing short of amazing, but it does not make the overall paradigm work. Most of it does not. For instance, most "learned" men at the time of the writings of the New Testament still believed the earth to be held up by four pillars on the back of a turtle, and that the stars were holes in something called the "firmament". Better understanding via observation and testing (the beginnings of what has been formalized as the scientific method) proved beyond any doubt that this widely held ideation was just plain wrong. With every advance in scientific knowledge, the "god did it" argument got pushed further into the background until there was only a small amount of gaps. Which the religious seize on like a drowning man will grab a stick. However, in light of the fact that today many people want to believe that a supremely evident God doesn't exist, people have only gotten worse regarding how dismal they are in their understanding of the universe. disbelief is NOT a system of belief. Skepticism, however, is. I am a skeptic. On damn near everything. I hold to Mark Twain's observation that Faith is the belief in what you know ain't so. Disbelief is simply the other side of believing that there is not. They are essentially the same at their root and core. When it comes to Christianity, it is so self contradictory within it's own books, leaving alone the sects, that it cannot possibly be inspired by an all powerful deity. Quite the contrary. The Bible is not at all contradictory. Unless, of course, that deity is completely mad. I suppose that's possible, but hardly cause for admiration or worship. You cannot, for instance, simultaneously condemn and command murder. Yet the bible does so, and that's peripheral. The PRIMARY DOCTRINE of christianity is that it's perfectly legit to kill an innocent man to "atone" for the crimes of the guilty. Try that one in a courtroom some day. The Bible does not command murder. The Bible is a record. At times within that record, it will be found that the government (ancient Israel) was commanded, by God, to execute peoples and nations for doing evil. That is one of the jobs of governments. They exist to at times execute those who deserve to die, just to keep the peace. Further, within the Christian scriptures it says that churches and places of worship are vain, as god cannot be seen or heard in such places. Rather, and this one isn't a paraphrase, "The Kingdom of God is within you". Yet a very pious group of men who made that connection were hunted down, forced into a mountain retreat, besiged, and killed at Montsegur in 1284 by other very pious men. Both sides were utterly convinced that they were right. This is the sort of crap that strong religious belief breeds. Divisions that need not exist, and in many cases throughout history have led to bloodshed on a massive scale. Christian people are people. Just because they are Christian, doesn't mean that they are suddenly perfect. It means that they are blessed with the knowledge of salvation to everlasting life... even though we (the Christians) must go through death in this life to gain eternal life in the resurrection. If you look at the known history of the world, you will find many non-Christian peoples and nations that were far worse than Christians. Consider Genghis Khan, for example. And think of Stalin who wasn't a Christian, and he killed at least 30 million, and maybe 3 times that number. God is not the author of wickedness or evil. People are, by following the devil, Satan. That Islam is now convulsing in the same way is not surprising. Organized religion, regardless of it's pantheon, is based upon control of the masses. It will fight for that control at ANY cost, conceding only when not doing so would utterly destroy the organization. Christianity reached that point about 150 years ago. If the timeline remains similar, that means Islam has about 550 years before they stop believing it ok to kill for the faith. Given modern communication, I suspect it won't take that long.
The difference is, there are no Christian directives from God for violence. The directives in the New Testament (from whence Christianity flows) are literally peace for all people. Yet the Islamic directives for violence in the Islamic writings are many. Islam is of its false god, Satan. Christianity is of God over all. You are badly mistaken. However, if you will change your understanding to the truth, God is willing to forgive even you for your struggling against Him. |
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I think everyone should be allowed to open-carry shoulder-fired nukes.
But they are heavy. I don't even like to carry a pistol. I mean, think, dude. For the same weight you could carry a six pack of beer. The dude has completely run out of things to say and is just spamming roughly the same thing to many threads. Hard to know what his goal is, or even if he has one at this point, but it's also hard to give a shit. A non-interesting troll has lost any residue of usefulness. They often go out in a brief puff of random energy release and I'd guess that that is where Beliathon is at at this point. That's what happens when you crawl up onto Stan's lap, vehemently speak with a voice like Satan's, then get rebuked enough so that you start thinking about why you are on Satan's lap, and start wishing a little that you had not crawled up there. |
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And before ISIS was al-Qaeda and after ISIS something alike will come up... Then you talk of propaganda!
This is a generalization. Things like this have been happening over and over for thousands of years. But there are differences today. Never has there been such a great world population in the past... at least that we know of. Never has there been such wide spread communication and transportation, worldwide... at least that we know of. Time marches on. Just as there was a Beginning, there will be an End. Nobody knows when his or her end will come. In the same way, nobody knows when the End of everything will come. One thing we DO know... we are getting closer to the End with every passing moment. |
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USA have found the cure of CANCER? Yes.  Well, not all cancer. Not the cancer of jokers like Beliathon. |
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While I am not a proponent of Trump's, one thing stands out. Islam in any land or country or nation is far more of a disgrace than Trump could ever be, under any circumstances, except if he became a Muslim. |
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I don't think most hate islam per say but your guys' extremest are definitely fucking shit up for your religion.
The Christians are pretty fast to forget about the crusades and I think this is basically the same idea ISIS has going on at the moment. The crusades are long gone. Islam is here. Islam should be hated because it is driving Muslims to Hell. I don't believe in condemning many for the actions of few, But sadly most human aren't as understanding as I am. There is no Islamic condemnation for Muslim terrorists. The reason is because they are following their Islamic religion better than the peaceful Muslims. Peaceful Muslims who condemn Muslim terrorists are not following their religion very well, simply because they are peaceful. When they condemn Muslim terrorists, it is weak Islam trying to condemn fatihful strong Islam. Very few people want to condemn peaceful Muslims. And they don't want to have to condemn Muslim terrorists. But people need protection from Islam. And it is the peaceful Muslims who need it the most, because the Muslims terrorists are against the peaceful Muslims for not obeying Islam by becoming terrorists.
Mindless hate is human nature.. and only through education will be be able to fight this and further ourselves as a species.
That's why it is a good idea to get rid of Islam, so that Muslims who want to obey a peaceful religion won't have to become terrorists to obey. |
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You are free. You are not forced to believe in Jesus salvation. But, it will be good for you if you do believe.
Get Jesus salvation however you can. The only clear way is through the Bible.Mate, do you think that I am not accept Christ? Then tell me why I speak about the Holly Spirit or the Light? There are a lot of people who speak about the light without talking about Christ. You have asked me two questions here. Yet you have not said that you accept Jesus salvation as the Bible states it. You keep on wanting teasing me with questions while not making a statement. Besides, the admonition was really rhetorical, anyway, regarding you personally. The only way if we want to reach to that level of consciousness What is a level of consciousness? Why would one want to be more conscious that he is when he is conscious? If there is something in the idea of being conscious that you like, then go for it. is by accepting Christ as our savior! Every word who came up from His mouths was about the Light, every word that Apostles preach us was about the Holly Spirit. Sometimes, Paul admitted that even he doesn't understand the words, because it is not he who is talking, but the Holly Spirit. We are still humans and we are far away of this level on consciousness, but I am sure that there will come a time where we will all be transformed and discover the power of the the Light!  One does not need a special level of consciousness to believe in Jesus salvation. Remember that Jesus said that unless we become like little children (who believe in Him), we will not make it to Heaven. If you want to see the Jesus light, you need to become like a little child who believes in Jesus. |
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The Holy Spirit is a "person" as we are sentient beings. He opens our hearts and minds to understanding the philosophy that is hidden in the words of the Bible, the philosophy that is not understood by simple mental processes.
True! The Holy Spirit is a person who lives in our body, but the moment when you awake that person is the moment when you start to understanding the words that you have been read it from the Bible. The next faze is when you start to practicing. You will never feel The Light if you weren't able to experience that... The Holy spirit doesn't need awakening. He is constantly trying to work knowledge of Jesus salvation in everyone. Every little piece of Bible knowledge a person gets into himself/herself is part of what the Holy spirit uses to do this work. If the person happens to be weak enough, the Holy Spirit can work His work in them. Not sure what you mean here. When you say "word," are you talking about some specific word?That is the point mate! The meaning of the word and the meaning of the word in a sentence is very different! What I am trying to tell you is that you can not decode the words if don't see the meaning of the sentence. I get it. You are talking about taking things out of context, right? You still need to know definitions of words to understand what they mean in context. Why do I need to push further. Why do I need to see some so-called deep meaning? The deepest meaning in the whole Bible (and the whole world) is Jesus salvation, and the whole story surrounding it. That story is evident, clearly, only in the Bible. The Holy Spirit awakens my heart to its meaning when I read and believe the Bible.I agree with you, but let me remind you why should go further: " Listen, I tell you a mystery: we will not all Sleep, but we will all be Changed — in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. I Corinthians 15:51 " Tell me, are you able to live without food? Hm? We don't know what we will be changed into in that twinkling of an eye. We don't know if there will be food or no food. We don't know how the life will be sustained in any detail. All we know is that God will sustain our lives, initially through Jesus, but possibly in Heaven, without the constant need for Jesus in the ways we need His life here. We simply don't know, as the passage says. However, that is not the further I meant. There is enough knowledge in the Bible for the Holy Spirit to instruct us for a thousand years. If I go further into some other writings, I may be drawn away from some of the good Bible knowledge, especially if those other writings are spiritual writings. The Bible is the best, and is all sufficient for spiritual training. |
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On second thought even in real life almost nothing is anonymous........ We are like ants with a camera above now  ... Wich the reason to this trend is??? Exactly. The only reason for needing anonymity is that you feel endangered by not being anonymous. The only reasons why you feel endangered are: 1) there are crooks who are going to harm you if you are exposed; 2) you are a crook who will be punished if you are exposed. Stand up and be the man or woman that you are. |
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Probably, in a flat-earth view of things, Saturn wouldn't be that big, and it wouldn't be that far away. In America, there are a lot of Saturns. |
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Who made taxation, and who said that handling money in certain ways was illegal? People did it. Why do some people have the ability and right to impose tax on others? They don't. Why not? Because taxation is stealing. If they steal, it is because they are stronger. Stronger doesn't make it right. It only makes it doable. |
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No garage. No wife. Much happiness. |
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You want to know why Islam is what it is? Because it manged to stay Medieval for last 1000 year. That is why mindset of Muslim people is so different from rest of the world - either western of eastern society.
While world evolved Islam stayed the same with its barbaric methods, outdated way of treating women and hateful ideology towards everyone who is not Muslim.
ISIS has guns and other military equipment. They also transport crude oil using trucks. That isn't medieval. Can you explain the ways in which they are medieval? |
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Thank you for informing me of things that I know. You are such a wonderful person for doing so. Preachers tell people to do many different things. Some preachers preach good things. Some preachers preach bad things. Most preachers preach a mixture. Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach? When they tell us to read the Bible, shouldn't we do it? If we do, it is then that we will get pure Bible religion. I can not stop, because I see that you use the word religion instead of spiritual... I am sure that if you read the whole Bible, you will see that there isn't such a word like ''religion''. This word is create by us (humans) to define something that we still don't understand it. What is written in the Bible and what is interpreted by the church is very different! I can not remember now, but will you please give your definition about what is the meaning of the word ''religion'' and what is ''spiritual''? - In your point of view, please! Isn't it about time that you stop listening to the bad things preachers preach?No, it is time for a revolution and the only way to start the revolution is to start talk against the preachers, because their the ones who bring this world in to chaos! Some people have a religion of spirituality. Some people have a religion of materialism. Most people incorporate some spirituality and some materialism into their personal religion. Since we are both spiritual and material beings, there is nothing wrong with incorporating both into our religion. There is danger, however. Wherein? Wrong spiritualism, and wrong materialism. Sometimes revolution is good. Revolution is NOT good if it is rebellion against the God of the Bible. What is rebellion against God? It is not believing in Jesus salvation as explained in the Bible. You are free. You are not forced to believe in Jesus salvation. But, it will be good for you if you do believe. Get Jesus salvation however you can. The only clear way is through the Bible. |
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Mate, the whole Bible, especially the New Testament is written on a philosophical way and the only way to understand the words who were spoken by Christ and the Apostles is by using the philosophical view!
This, then, is where we have a difference of understanding. Certainly there is philosophy in all the Bible that can be understood by simple understanding. However, this is not the only way for understanding it, nor even the greatest way. The Holy Spirit is a "person" as we are sentient beings. He opens our hearts and minds to understanding the philosophy that is hidden in the words of the Bible, the philosophy that is not understood by simple mental processes. You see, you are trying to find the sense in the word... It is the same thing when you past a word on google translate and wait the browser to find you the sense in your sentence! Not sure what you mean here. When you say "word," are you talking about some specific word? And, yes. I often try to find meanings of words that are unclear to me. Don't you do this as well? Or do you simply make up new meanings for words you do not understand? I can see that you have good prior knowledge, but you need to push litter further so can you see the deep meaning of all those parabolas and metaphors. God always give us a choice, 2 roads, but one destiny and it is up to you. You are the one who is responsible for you path. If chose to walk the path of the sinners, you will meet the death and if you choose The Light or Christ you will be already blessed with eternal life!
Why do I need to push further. Why do I need to see some so-called deep meaning? The deepest meaning in the whole Bible (and the whole world) is Jesus salvation, and the whole story surrounding it. That story is evident, clearly, only in the Bible. The Holy Spirit awakens my heart to its meaning when I read and believe the Bible. When Adam and Eve sinned, they closed the choice for all mankind. Why? Because all mankind come from them. When Jesus worked His salvation, He re-opened the free choice for all mankind. Believing this, is itself the free choice of light that Jesus opened up for us. Such faith or believing only comes through the reading or hearing of the words in the Bible. That is the only way the Holy Spirit works salvation faith in the hearts of people. Without the Bible, there is no other place that teaches about Jesus salvation in a clear enough way to understand it. |
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It was basically one guy from a superrich family. He probably organized some thinkers to advise him, but he may have worked alone. Not every superrich guy is a playboy. some of them are real thinkers, just like the rest of us real thinkers. He simply didn't like the way the superrich of the world were playing the money and the people. If they figured out who he was, they would execute/assassinate him just out of spite and revenge. Perhaps that is the reason why we don't know who he is, and why he doesn't contact us anymore. He was found out. |
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