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3361  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY][ICO LIVE]Peculium- First savings system in crypto driven by AI🤖 on: January 28, 2018, 10:38:54 AM
super, your timing and professionalism are top notch gentlemen, well done
3362  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BOUNTY - 2.2M$] 💰FreelancerCoin - A blockchain Freelancing platform💰 on: January 26, 2018, 08:41:42 AM
WEEK 5 (Jan 25 - Jan 31)

Twitter Report
Twitter account URL: https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors
Number on spread sheet: 81
Week: 5

Tweets
1. https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/956808026861850624
2. https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/957561134957105153
3. https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/958307486423011330

Retweets
1. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/956702527986307072
2. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/956248447207735296
3. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/958078944376492032
4. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/958054943553974272
5. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/957861646046846981
6. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/957846021752713216
7. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/956976673408380928
8. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/956981624327016448
9. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/958525491744559104


Facebook Report
Facebook account URL: https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner
Number on spread sheet: 60
Week: 5

Public posts:
1. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214880066855981
2. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214900915217177
3. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214919922212340

Shares & Likes
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2. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214878190449072
3. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214918483736379
4. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214908622169846
5. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214889194084156
6. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214924546807952

All the Best,
Vispilio
3363  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: ★BOUNTY★ $1.200.000 USD TO SHARE★DOCADEMIC OFFICIAL BOUNTY CAMPAIGN ★(MTC)★ on: January 23, 2018, 07:03:36 AM
Twitter Report
Week: 1 (Jan 16-23)
Your number on the spreadsheet: 271  
Twitter Link: https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors
Ether adress: 0x2fac74A3a04B031F240923621a578724C40678af


Links to the retweets :
1- (23/01): https://twitter.com/Docademic/status/954384401294594049
2- (22/01): https://twitter.com/Docademic/status/955350478644240385
3- (22/01): https://twitter.com/Docademic/status/955597699407142912
4- (21/01): https://twitter.com/Docademic/status/954911408482758657
5- (21/01): https://twitter.com/Docademic/status/954887520315047937

Link to your tweets: :
1- (23/01): https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/955695079771033600
2- (23/01): https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/955743879130697729

All the Best,
Vispilio

3364  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY][ICO LIVE]Peculium- First savings system in crypto driven by AI🤖 on: January 21, 2018, 05:33:34 PM
Task Links Period of Jan 15 - Jan 21:
Bitcointalk name: Vispilio
Bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982288
Twitter profile: https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors
Facebook profile: Classified

Retweets & Likes:
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/955049130484748288
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/954908984133210112
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/954681253718052866
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/954511374738182144
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/954059063863758848
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/953656762892210176
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/953424191134498816
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/953309687507808256
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/953119672353816577
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/952994106195742722


Facebook Shares:
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3365  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner on: January 19, 2018, 04:01:52 PM
just out of curiousity, if the 2% fee or custom fee arguments are never respected, what is the effective fee we are paying when we just use EWBF regularly (ie when we don't use the suggested MITM solution) ?.. I suspect the MITM would bring its own stability problems into the mix, although I've never tried that as a workaround before. We know for a fact that for example Claymore's effective fees are also higher than the alleged 2 %, or the miner ends up mining less than an effective 98% because of all the interruptions...

Don't bother, --devfee 0 will have the very same result as MITM. Can't You recognize trolls repeating same things without single screenshot confirming?
BTW Looking in someone else pocket is bad habit. Speaking about is even worse. Can't help, but some things person is learning up to 7 years...

bro your English sounds a bit weird, I don't know what you are objecting to, but the discussion was about profitability and efficiency, not fairy tales of pseudo morality from 17th century...
3366  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner on: January 18, 2018, 06:46:45 PM
As it seems that Terraman didn't support EWBF dev anymore.

And apparently he's quite rich now (in zcash at least)...
https://zec.nanopool.org/account/t1fJuHWrfcWnYMYyP9VAF96vRnvND2NziMG
(361519 EUR/month)
https://zcashnetwork.info/address/t1fJuHWrfcWnYMYyP9VAF96vRnvND2NziMG
Total received: 16521 ZEC (~8.2Million EUR)

You can do a MITM attack on our own rig (no scam as you do it yourself)...
thanks to this contributor (not myself):
https://github.com/Mcracker/EWBF-dev-fee-to-myWallet

This MITM will also help you to verify that the announced 2%fee (or custom one from --fee argument) is never respected...

Enjoy!

just out of curiousity, if the 2% fee or custom fee arguments are never respected, what is the effective fee we are paying when we just use EWBF regularly (ie when we don't use the suggested MITM solution) ?.. I suspect the MITM would bring its own stability problems into the mix, although I've never tried that as a workaround before. We know for a fact that for example Claymore's effective fees are also higher than the alleged 2 %, or the miner ends up mining less than an effective 98% because of all the interruptions...
3367  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BOUNTY - 2.2M$] 💰FreelancerCoin - A blockchain Freelancing platform💰 on: January 18, 2018, 09:09:35 AM
WEEK 4 (Jan 18 - Jan 24)

Twitter Report
Twitter account URL: https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors
Number on spread sheet: 81
Week: 4

Tweets
1. https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/953884287895527424
2. https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/954582206328041472
3. https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/954996676384706560

Retweets
1. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/953740049987842048
2. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/954550923925258241
3. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/954137124453912576
4. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/955094449914286080
5. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/955616867367964672

Facebook Report
Facebook account URL: https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner
Number on spread sheet: 60
Week: 4

Public posts:
1. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214804982098909
2. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214821436270253
3. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214841394889206

Shares & Likes
1. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214802027545047
2. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214820901176876
3. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214811738027803?pnref=story
4. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214841401529372
5. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214850175748722

All the Best,
Vispilio
3368  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: EWBF's CUDA Zcash miner on: January 18, 2018, 02:47:51 AM

wow thanks for this interesting share, EWBF makes 800k+ USD / month on dev fees; gives a lot of clues as to overall miners in ZCASH, and obviously how insanely profitable writing a competitive miner program is !!
3369  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Arbitrage Opportunity - Easy Money - Using Korean Exchange. on: January 15, 2018, 09:46:25 PM
I'm Kevin, I have been in this crypto for 8 months now.
I am a Korean, and I have working bithumb and upbit accounts.

As you know bitcoin and ethereum and all coin prices on Korean exchanges are high.
The lowest margin profit was 3% and the highest was 52% (yesterday).
Basically, you get 0.8 bitcoin for free by buying $50,000.00 USD worth of bitcoin outside Korea,
then selling it to Korean exchange.

So if it's this good, why don't I take all the profit alone?
Well, I did make huge money until the banks in Korea now starts rejecting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/7or3q9/genuine_question_about_korean_exchange_arbitrage/
If you read the post, I wrote that Korean banks are blocking international bank transfers to exchanges now.

So I am stuck here.
I am willing to work with any traders from outside Korea who is able to receive USD from me and
buy from non-Korean exchange and send it to me through wallet. Then, I cash out here in Korean exchange and
split the profit and send it back to you. Repeatedly. I own a company here in Korea with open addresses.
I have no intentions of scam or cheat or any sort of those crap. Just a dude who wants to spread the crypto and
win together. Also, I am not looking to do this with

Shoot me an email if you are interested: j.haesun@yahoo.com

And, if you are a non-Korean who is trying to do arbitrage in Korea.
It is not going to work for now, maybe few months later.
You probably already know this but the government banned
all foreign registrations Sad and dealing with Korean exchange is pain in the ass.
You get your account on hold for trying to sending your own bitcoin to your private wallet...
Seriously...

Hi Kevin,

I'll send you an email about this. I'm in Turkey and we have a similar situation here, BTC is typically priced at a 600-1200 USD premium here, but if Korea is even more profitable I'm happy to do it with you.

Let me know.

All the Best,
Vispilio
3370  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [BOUNTY][ICO LIVE]Peculium- First savings system in crypto driven by AI🤖 on: January 15, 2018, 04:38:04 AM
Task Links Period of Jan 08 - Jan 14:
Bitcointalk name: Vispilio
Bitcointalk profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=982288
Twitter profile: https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors
Facebook profile: https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner

Retweets & Likes:
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/952580577110233088
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/952057719254671360
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/951861586213441536
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/951826549451448321
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/951635007218573312
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/951363653168717824
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/951256119095320576
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/951193213741748230
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/950993183709782016
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/950883391888592902
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/950838413367881728
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/950547848185237505
https://twitter.com/_Peculium/status/950477287937503237


Facebook Shares:
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https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214765145303014?pnref=story
https://www.facebook.com/PeculiumICO/posts/229654500908985?pnref=story
https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214745224645010?pnref=story
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https://www.facebook.com/PeculiumICO/posts/228734734334295?pnref=story

Facebook Likes:
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All the Best
3371  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] WORLDCORE: Trade WRC token on HitBtc and OKex on: January 13, 2018, 01:13:55 AM
Right now every altcoin on Binance is overvalued, so any new comers instantly make 5-10x on that exchange. WRC management should strive every day to get listed on Binance or a similar caliber exchange, that is the best thing that they can do for coin price at the moment.
3372  Local / Alternatif Kripto-Paralar / Re: Vertcoin, yatırımcılarını güldürecek! Vertbase.com açılıyor... on: January 12, 2018, 09:30:58 PM
Vertcoin aslında Litecoin'e ve BCH'ye göre büyük avantajları olan bir coin, yani BTC'nin gerçek veliahtı olabilecek kadar iyi özellikleri var, gerçekten decentralized olması, fair mining, atomic swaps, ve Satoshi'nin orjinal vizyonunu en iyi yansıtan projelerden olması gibi.

Fakat lead developer neredeyse bir çocuk, yani ekip biraz zayıf kalıyor. O yüzden bir türlü dev yatırımcılar bu coin'in arkasına geçip onu şahlandırmadı henüz... Şahsi görüşüm örneğin kurucusunun bile satış yaptığı LTC'ye göre çok daha iyi yerlere gelebilir, ama ekibinin kendini biraz daha ispat etmesi lazım...
3373  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Great list of bots, tools & news {Up to date 01/09/2018} Automate your profit! on: January 12, 2018, 02:14:00 AM
Great thread. The best bots for crypto in my opinion would be the ones focusing on arbitrage opportunities which are so many right now and not saturated at all even in major exchanges like Bittrex and Binance.

There is no consensus view that algorithmic trading can outperform discretionary decisions in any asset class, unless it's doing high frequency trading, reacting faster than human ability... so I would be very curious to find out what your results are using any of the bots mentioned, especially in arb trading.
3374  Local / Pazar Alanı / Re: [Alınık] DOGE (Minimum 10k Üst Limit yok) on: January 11, 2018, 10:48:01 PM
Hangi kurdan almak istediğinizi yazarsanız arkadaşlar ya da ben ona göre yardımcı olabiliriz mesela Koineks kurunu mu baz alıyorsun yoksa Bittrex gibi yabancı borsalardaki dolar karşılığını mı? Eğer dolar karşılığı ise bu alışveriş satıcı kişi için pekte kârlı olmaz, Türkiye'de arbitraj fırsatı var sonuçta.

Yurtdisi fiyatlarindan almak istiyorum buradaki satıcı acisindan karlilik su sekilde olabilir. Koineks ya da var mi baska bir borsa bilmiyorum DOGE alim satimi yapan varsa eger bu borsa da dahil olmak uzere belli bir miktarin uzerinde satmaya calistiginizda fiyati dibe ceker. Zaten ben baslikta belirttigim gibi en az 10bin TL fakat tercihen 50/60bin TL lik doge coin almak istiyorum ve tek seferde alim yapip TL olarak odemek istiyorum. Turk borsalarinda ki Alim emirleri cok nadiren 10bin 20bin TL yi gecer botlari da hesaba katarsanız maker fiyatindan yaptiginiz satisin bir sonraki satisi guncel satisinizin altinda olan bir alim emri ile gerceklestirilir. Bu alim emri gerceklestikten sonra 3. satis emriniz ise listedeki 2 alt fiyatta olan alım emri ile karşılaşınır. Botlar bunları gordugu anda zaten fiyatlar aşağıya doğru gitmektedir. Kısacası tek seferde 50bin TL lik ve üzeri doge satmak isteyen varsa TL odeme yapabilirim.

yurt dışı fiyatından almanız 0 ihtimal, çünkü o fiyattan vermek isteyen zaten o borsada satar sizi tercih etmez. Türkiye'de bütün cryptolar primli biliyosunuz. Hiçbir koşulda kimse doge'yi hacim olmayan Türk borsasında keriz gibi satmaya uğraşmaz... Fiyat beklentinizi buna göre ayarlayın size istediğiniz kadar Doge gönderiim.

İyi çalışmalar
3375  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BOUNTY - 2.2M$] 💰FreelancerCoin - A blockchain Freelancing platform💰 on: January 11, 2018, 04:47:17 PM
WEEK 3 (Jan 11 - Jan 17)

Twitter Report
Twitter account URL: https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors
Number on spread sheet: 81
Week: 3

Tweets
1. https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/951475560726835201
2. https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/951872738330804224
3. https://twitter.com/FeroxAdvisors/status/952757016652603399

Retweets
1. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/951259198532280320
2. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/951586775369158657
3. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/952051059870064640
4. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/952886964604334080
5. https://twitter.com/freelancercoin_/status/953411673506893824


Facebook Report
Facebook account URL: https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner
Number on spread sheet: 60
Week: 3

Public posts:
1. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214752990479151?pnref=story
2. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214761881181413?pnref=story
3. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214780865296004

Shares & Likes
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3. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214784481786414
4. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214795342297920
5. https://www.facebook.com/deniz.akguner/posts/10214798753263192?pnref=story


All the Best,
Vispilio
3376  Local / Madencilik (Alternatif Kripto-Paralar) / Re: İndirimli elektrik fiyatı on: January 11, 2018, 04:19:56 PM

Hocam sanayi ve tic bakanlığının imalattan kastı elektrik harcayıp havuz problemi çözmek değildir.
İmalattan kasıt somut nesnelerle yapılan olarak görür. Yani her enerji harcayan sistem imalat olarak sınıflandırmaz. İmalatçı olarak misal ereğli demir çelik  görünür. Bu örnekle en azından imalatçı sıfatını taşıma vasfını birazda olsa ortaya koyarız. İmalatçı olmak için harcadığınız elektrik gücü, cironuz falan önemli değildir. Yani salt montaj yapan dev firmaların bile imalatçı değil montajcı sınıfında olması(bazı siyasi ilişkilerle zorda olsa alabilmeleri hariç) düşünüldüğünde üretim yapmanın ne demek olduğu anlaşılır gibi biraz daha.
Yani sizin mantıkla gittiğimizde ekmek yememiz bile bizi imalatçı sınıfına sokar kişi bazında.
Parayı harcayıp ekmek alıyoruz, yiyoruz, dışkılıyoruz ve bambaşka bir şey üretiyoruz. Yani şu anlattığınız şeydense bu dışkı örneği bile imalata daha mantıklı bir örnektir.

sen dışkıya falan fazla kafanı takma midemiz kalktı birader Smiley

burada bir felsefe ortaya koyuyorum. Üretim nedir, katma değer nedir bütün bu kavramların context'i değişti ve değişmeye devam ediyor. Bunları yakalayan bireyler ve devletler başarılı olacaktır 21. yüzyılda, Türkiye'deki bazı saçma sapan çağdışı prosedürleri doğruymuş gibi anlatma insanlar da yanlış bilgilenmesin diye bunları ifade ediyoruz.
3377  Local / Madencilik (Alternatif Kripto-Paralar) / Re: İndirimli elektrik fiyatı on: January 10, 2018, 09:01:40 PM
Büyük harfle yazıyorum ki artık o göstersek bu göstersek şunu yapaak olurmu denmesin. Teilyon kere yazıldı her sayfada aynı şey;
SANAYİ ELEKTRİĞİ(trifaze) ALABİLiRSİNiZ. İNDİRİMLİ OLARAK SANAYİ ELEKTRİĞİ KULLANMANIZ İÇİN KAPASİTE RAPORUNUZ OLMALI. BU RAPORUDA İMALAT YAPMIYORSANIZ ALAMAZSINIZ(lütfen coin imal ediyoruz esprisi yapmayon Smiley )

esprilik bir durum yok gerçek bu, enflasyonu çok yüksek olan bir değeri harcayarak (TL) enflasyona ve yabancı kurlara karşı dayanıklı bir emtia elde ediyorsun, bu tabiki bir üretimdir.
3378  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Bounties (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][BOUNTY - 2.2M$] 💰FreelancerCoin - A blockchain Freelancing platform💰 on: January 10, 2018, 04:08:18 AM
Dear EVO / Bounty Manager,

You need to fix Week 1. You marked many people as incomplete when they had done their job perfectly. Check my twitter and facebook tabs, you will see all the entries are there, please change the "insufficient post" status for week 1 to "complete".

Good Luck
3379  Local / Pazar Alanı / Re: Acil 100 DOGE on: January 10, 2018, 12:14:37 AM
yüksek miktarda isteyin uygun fiyata gönderelim diycektim ki hibe eden olmuş Smiley helal olsun tebrik ederim.

Başka Doge almak isteyen olursa benimle irtibata geçebilir.

Bir düzeltme yapayım. Hibe değil borç olarak diyelim. Arkadaş uygun bir zamanda yine doge olarak ona verdiğim adrese gönderecek.
Maksat işi görülsün.

Hocam finansbank hesabın varsa 10 dolarlık dogecoin almak istiyorum senden mümkünmüdür ??

minimum 50 USD'lık veya onun TL karşılığı satış yapabilirim, ilgilenenler özelden de iletişime geçebilir
3380  Local / Pazar Alanı / Re: Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1080 TI Turbo 11GB Ekran Kartı: 3600 TL Son Fiyat on: January 10, 2018, 12:06:33 AM
siz 1080 ti için aurus modelini mi tavsiye ediyorsunuz sayın sergen34 ? soğutması en iyi kart bu mu ?

Hocam soğutması gayet iyi, fakat daha profesyonel olarak hydro'lar var onlara da bakabilirsiniz. Benim amacım kesinlikle alıcıyı yöneltmek değil zaten bütçesine göre satın alacak alan kişi.

Aorus ve Turbo'ya sahibim dediğim gibi, Aorus soğutma anlamında çok daha iyi. Turbolarda kronik ısınma problemi var.

Muhtemelen o senin Turbo'ndan kaynaklanan bir sorundur çünkü bugüne kadar kullandığımız hiçbir Turbo'da veya başka bir 1080 TI'da soğutma problemi diye bir olayla karşılaşmadık. Israrla alışa satışa karışmak istemem diyorsun, sonra gene aynı yönlendirici açıklamanı harfiyen tekrar ediyosun Smiley...

Aç 1080 TI performans raporlarını ayrıntılı incele çok meraklıysan, ama tek bir karttan yola çıkıp hatalı bilgi verme, yanıldığını kabul edebilmek de bir erdemdir Sergen birader.
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