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3361  Economy / Speculation / Re: The future of bitcoin in 1 chart on: August 21, 2017, 12:40:28 PM
Berkshire Hathaway gets it's value from the consistently good decision making of Warren Buffet

But you cannot say that people in the bitcoin space are making consistently good decisions - some of the things that have been happening since 2013 have been idiotic and damaging.

Warren Buffet's good decision making is based on buying undervalued stocks. Bitcoin itself is arguably an undervalued asset, which is why we see the appreciation that we do.

The problem with Bitcoin's decision making process is that there's no central leadership -- luckily. Thus you get a lot of conflicting interests that can stiffle progress in one way or another. I wouldn't want a Bitcoin with a central decision making authority however. There's too much power aggregated as is.



@kwukduck,

your point of view is wrong.



That post just made my day Grin


3362  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Trade BTC for Paypal USD on: August 20, 2017, 07:15:29 PM
Say please, any people played with www.x-crypto.com giving BTC with receive US dollars by Ppal account? The webpage says perfect rate. Do community believe web site?
www.x-crypto.com

Never heard of them, I'd stay clear if I were you. Also selling BTC to a PayPal buyer is the oldest trick in the book to get scammed. They can easily make a chargeback with no recourse for you.
3363  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin break $4500 this week? on: August 20, 2017, 07:06:34 PM
I think it's much more possible to see $3500 instead of $4500 in next 2-5 days.
$4500 have a huge resistance and people already 'spent' their SegWit optimism. The $4500 is possible but within a 1-2 months, not days.

I share your sentiment. It looks like BTC is stablizing at around USD 4100,- right now. Now if it were the beginning of the bull market I'd be positive that the rally continues. But the way it looks right now I'm afraid that most people will feel safer taking a profit, rather than trying to push for USD 4500,-.
3364  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Over the Counter (OTC) Market Available? on: August 20, 2017, 06:55:02 PM
I tried searching the boards for information regarding an over the counter (OTC) market and couldn't find anything. In the financial sector, dealers and investment managers can buy securities and derivatives over the counter, via phone, messaging and through Bloomberg. Is there something similar for Bitcoin? Does it go by a different name, Peer to peer or something? Thanks!

There's Localbitcoins.com for face to face trading between individuals. If you're within the US I think Coinbase.com acts as a kind of OTC market, but I haven't used them myselfs so I'm not 100% sure. Apart from that you could do a search if there are any Bitcoin ATMs in your area. Depending on your location and legislature there may be other services that offer something that resembles an OTC market.

The most effective way to get Bitcoins however is via exchanges such as Kraken or Bitstamp.
3365  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What's The Minimum Investment? on: August 20, 2017, 02:02:04 PM
In my opinion investing in crypto starts to make sense at USD 200 - 300,-. However you can get your feet wet with as little as USD 10,- so there's nothing wrong about starting small.

Watch out for withdrawal fees though. They differ from exchange to exchange and can take quite a bite off your investment if you invest only little and want to withdraw to a wallet of your own. I guess accounting for withdrawal fees the minimum viable investment amount would be at about USD 100,-
3366  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Freelance Marketplace based on a blockchain on: August 20, 2017, 08:44:32 AM
re: Time smart contract: For sure it's not an ultra final solution of the current freelance marketplaces problems. But while it has no more problems than regular time contracts based on a 3rd party, they have more benefits because of a blockchain. So it seems to be a step forward anyway.

Depends. On one hand blockchain-based time tracking is immutable and smart contracts allow for more automation, both of which are nice. On the other hand there's a lot of tools out there that will be able to do time and process tracking a lot better due to being specialized products in that area. Nonetheless I can very well imagine there being a market for the former.


re: Scope contracts: I agree that it'd be complicated to setup the tests in the way to be sure that if they are passed, requirements were met. But if one will start with defining user stories (for future selenium-based tests), define performance metrics, that can work automatically.
Thank you for a good point about iteration loops. I guess milestones or more Agile approach will make the things there and we'll think of how to integrate this.

This will depend heavily on what kind of clients the market place attracts.

For clients that already have a software development workflow in place and are merely outsourcing modules it sounds viable enough; assuming they are able to define the user stories and success metrics themselves.

For clients that have nothing to do with software development it's going to be the freelancer that has to define the user stories and success metrics. Checking whether these are correctly defined can't be automated (lest you write tests for your tests and so on).

If the market place only serves the first type of client that's fine as well, but you'd leave a huge part of the market unserved. Thoughts?


re: Arbitration: I can't agree with your point there because its's kind of a self-regulatory thing. Freelancer risks with his reputation, which one of the most important actives there, so would try to avoid arbitrations. As well customer, as nobody will work with you if will see that you run into a lot of disputes. So first of all it will motivate them to solve the miscommunication by themselves. I'm telling so because had a lot of freelance experience before and that's how it worked for me.

Ah, I misunderstood you then. I thought arbitration would take place by default in case a scope contract is not fullfilled using the automated measures mentioned above. In that case I fully agree.
3367  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Trezor wallet can be hacked into before it boots up on: August 20, 2017, 12:33:07 AM
Know what's faster, cheaper and better? Paper wallets. I've never had an issue with my firmware from a live USB screwing up my security.

Inb4 Paper wallets can burn in a fire, you can lose them etc... Make three copies. Don't actually keep them on paper. Why not steel? Titanium? The answer is in your own head.

While I don't want to create an argument there is one thing not being considered by your approach. Most Trezor users actually move and use BTC, perhaps even on their mobile phones etc.....  A paper wallet has no hidden wallet feature.  If I find the paper wallet its game over.  If you find and grab one of my Trezors, and even if you can fully breach it (you won't), you will ONLY find the decoy "crumbs" I left just for that purpose.  My real nest egg will be beyond your reach and you can't even prove it exists.  Thats all thanks to BIP39 and features external to the hardware device.

Yep, precisely. The fact that you can use cold storage with the ease of a hot wallet is liberating. Using an airgapped computer to sign transactions gets old real fast. However that's just my humble opinion. Everyone has their own use cases and security needs.

Apart from that, rest assured that even knowing the seed words won't help an attacker if your passphrase is long enough. You could basically create a paperwallet that can be used on a non-airgapped device via trezor without fearing to expose the private key.
3368  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Freelance Marketplace based on a blockchain on: August 19, 2017, 11:23:37 PM
1) Smart-contracts based. Be protected with various types of smart contracts:
   a) Time smart contract: is based on a simple fact that that for every worked hour freelancer will be payed. At the same time, checks the freelancer work logs to make sure he was actively working.
   b) Scope smart contract: after the job is delivered automatic tests are being runned to make sure the system is developed according to the requirements. This will include performance testing, unit testing and selenium-based scenarios.
For freelancers: Be sure that you'll be payed with blockchain.
For customers: Finally you can make sure that work will be done as expected.

Depending on the project type, I'm not sure whether smart contracts are really sufficient.

A time smart contract could easily be cheated on hours tracked, but then again that's a risk you have with traditional hourly pay as well.

A scope smart contract seems like a case of trying to solve a human problem with a technical solution. Performance, unit and integration testing are hardly sufficient metrics on whether a project has been successfully developed or not. Sure, it can work if both client and freelancer are already know each other pretty well and have a proper workflow worked out. It can also work for smaller projects ( < 5 working days). But for anything beyond that it's already difficult to properly define requirements in writing, let alone in quantifiable code.

At least from my experience getting the requirements right is often harder than writing the code itself. This means two things:

1) Think about how to allow for iteration loops, every step along the process, including the adjustment, redefinition and extension of requirements -- which will require both sides to come to an agreement.

2) You mentioned arbitration in your other post. Be prepared for lots of it. Depending on the kind of projects and people this market place attracts, you'll either have a huge quantity of minor disputes, or a handful of really complex cases. Probably a mix of both. And it's not even about people trying to scam each other. Everyday miscommunication is absolutely sufficient for that.


2) Exclude man in a middle. You don't need to pay huge commissions anymore just to make sure you won't be deceived.

3) Fault tolerance. Forget about freezing the project progress because of a marketplace downtimes. With blockchain you will always have a possibility to continue working.

4) Pay anywhere anytime, no more restrictions with cryptocurrencies.

5) Make sure that funds for your job are reserved.

Let me know what you think about it, any feedback will be appreciated. Thanks.  Wink

Not much to add here Smiley Looking forward to see what comes of it. I hope my input was of some use to you.


3369  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Yobit INVESTBOX on: August 19, 2017, 10:31:18 PM
Now it changed a bit. To receive interest of main currencies investments (BTC, ETH, DOGE, LTC, DASH, WAVES) you need to play minimum 5 Dice games daily using these coins. But it doesn't mention minimum bet...
At first I thought the invest box was meant to attract noobs, but at last, the real reason for Yobit to come up with the invest box has been revealed.

I find it not only a greedy move from them to force people to bet their coins before being able to generate interest, but I find it shady as well.

Gladly no one is being forced to make use of the invest box, but I honestly hope people will not actually roll the dice 5 times in order to gain a poor interest rate ~ the risk by far doesn't outweigh the benefit.


Well at least now part of their agenda behind the investbox has been revealed, although it's still a rather... weird?

My first assumption also was that the investbox is more of a marketing ploy than a scam attempt. The gambling requirement seems to confirm this suspicion, ie. the investbox is not only meant to attract noobs, but also to get them to play dice. It still seems hardly profitable from Yobit's view; then again I don't see anything about Yobit's dice game being provably fair, so maybe that's where the money comes in.

3370  Economy / Economics / Re: The world's central banks should get ready for negative interest rates on: August 19, 2017, 04:07:00 PM
Negative financial rates are only for banks. For people, they will remain plus. Perhaps this will begin reducing the cash weight and the gradual transition to cashless payments. Bitcoin also can stop its growth simply because of lack of money. View.

It will only be a matter of time until banks pass the negative interest rates on to their customers. I know a broker that already does this.


Shouldnt the central banks let the recession take its course than force to reverse it by manipulating the money supply? They are building a foundation of the worst of the worth of economic rescessions by pumping the economy with a method so artificial.

Manipulating the money supply to influence the economy is what central banks do. Whether they do it well is a different question. Luckily we all know a hedge against monetary policies gone awry.


That would be bad  Sad, in that case cryptocurrency will be the only way people can hold their assets without losing a part of it every month (assuming cryptocurrency prices don't go downhill)

Well in that case I guess the former will prevent the latter from happening Grin

Apart from that there's still stocks and simply buying stuff, which is probably what central banks want to achieve with negative interest rates.
3371  Economy / Speculation / Re: Not Bubble - Bitcoin Growing Up, Heading to $10,000: Dave Chapman on: August 19, 2017, 03:44:31 PM
Is this going to be the last pump before the whole thing pops? Probably not. We'll see another pump most likely after Segwit activation in less than a week's time since people will actually reap the benefits of Segwit from that point.

But you can be sure to have corrections after the last pump. Price isn't going to stabilize after the last pump, it's going to go down and down. Perfect buying opportunity for when the price rebounds.

All of this has happened before, and it will happen again. Will there be a 10k Bitcoin? Probably. Will it reach 10k before a major correction? Probably not.

Bitcoin is more stable than it has ever been, yet to believe that Bitcoin will just continue to grow indefinitely at its current rate is rather naive. Once the upward momentum is lost profits will be taken, even if only to buy back in at a later date.


It's not that farfetched to believe, look at the rate Bitcoin is growing in hashrate and adoption. Investors hearing about the huge returns crypto-currencies are bringing are bound to start diversifying their portfolios eventually. What I have come to realize, is Bitcoin always seems to amaze. It's easy to look at the 2013 bubble and compare it to now, but there are many different variables at work today.

Bitcoin has grown up for sure. It will still take a while until people fully trust crypto-currencies however. For most it's still a highly speculative asset.
3372  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Question really stuck me! on: August 19, 2017, 01:10:55 PM
I always been very interested in Bitcoin, being merely open-source software code, is a powerful idea and tool to counteract evils of fiat monetary system. But what if bankers are the ones that created Bitcoin in the first place?

Seems unlikely. Most early Bitcoiners seem to have a cypherpunk / open source / liberal background, with a lot of focus on cryptography / code and with comparably little focus on finance / economy. If bankers were involved from the very beginning we'd have a very different rhetoric and very different people. Also they wouldn't be struggling to shoehorn blockchains into their existing systems as they do now.

I'm not saying that there are no bankers amongst the early adopters. I'm sure there's a couple of bankers and people from the financial industry that saw Bitcoin's potential early on. But I doubt that they were there from the beginning. That was mostly a very special breed of nerds <3


Meaning that the wealth disparity in bitcoins is actually WORSE than the wealth disparity between the rich and poor as it stands right now.

Meaning in total those 47+ 880 people own half of the bitcoins in the world, while the other half has to be shared between 1,010,000 people.

Is that true?

Wealth disparity is expected as only very few people entered Bitcoin early. Even today I guess more than 95% of people on earth don't own a single Satoshi. Probably never will. However I assume that for most people that got wealthy due to Bitcoin it was a once in a lifetime opportunity and not yet another investment by someone who already was rich in the first place.

Apart from that, most wealth that got accumulated by Bitcoiners is still nothing compared to actually rich people. Bitcoins complete market cap has not even reached Warren Buffett's estimated net worth yet.
3373  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is like .COM domain, established, but stale and boring on: August 18, 2017, 06:08:54 PM
Bitcoin feels like .COM domains to .io and .me domain. Bitcoin gave us a technology, but we improved it and now have something better and it ain't even finished.

It's a silly comparison, but if Bitcoin is the .com of TLDs than that's fine with me. The TLD of Google, Apple, Amazon... you know, companies that actually make money, rule the tech world and don't just spout random vaporware every way they go.

But you kids have fun. I see you don't remember all the other novelty TLDs that came and went during the last few years. Well... come to think of it, maybe the .io / .me comparison is pretty fitting after all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
3374  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Trezor hardware flaw, hackeable. on: August 18, 2017, 03:58:21 PM
It's good to see SatoshiLabs taking the necessary steps as swift as they did.

Apart from that, as long as physical access to the Trezor is necessary to hack it, I'm not really worried. XKCD's infamous $5 wrench attack would worry me more in this case.


a matter of time all the hardware/software is hacked  no surprises

always use a papper wallet

Did you write your seed words by hand or did you use a printer? Because some printers store printed pages in an internal data storage. Just a heads up for when you throw out your old printer.
3375  Economy / Speculation / Re: So where exactly are we in the bubble? on: August 18, 2017, 11:11:41 AM
In my opinion, we are still in the beginning of Bitcoin. Less than 10 years old is nothing. So I would place Bitcoin in the awareness stage to compare with your graph. There are still a lot to do, a lot to see

Indeed, although we are in the early days of bitcoin, however, the strong outburst of altcoin in the bitcoin platform has made all of us trapped in a bubble, and if it continues to grow, It can break at any time.

Yep... the alt coin and ICO token market was definitely bubbly, although it seems to have calmed down a bit. To me it actually looks like most alt coins are in the early blow off phase of the current cycle, with a couple of coins and tokens lagging behind. Of course it might just be an alt coin bear trap, but I think that alts already have grown way beyond what is healthy and will largely depend on Bitcoin's next movements.
3376  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: what do you do when your idea is taken ? on: August 18, 2017, 09:14:11 AM
Also, TBH, in most cases, ideas aren't worth that much. The implementation usually takes hundreds of man hours, and ideas are everywhere. It's not that nobody thought of "a ride sharing app" or "a dating app" before, and that Uber or Tinder were the first ones there. It's just that they were so much better.

Exactly. Good ideas are a dime a dozen. It's the execution that makes all the difference.

Also whatever your idea is, you're most likely not the first one to have said idea. Even Bitcoin was not a wholly new idea when it got started, but it was the first time someone managed to execute the idea so well that it actually took off.

So don't be discouraged by someone else working on the same idea as you. It will happen pretty much all the time. Look at how they did it, and see if there's some lesson that you can take away from it. Look at their project as a prototype of your own idea and try to improve on it.

And especially, don't give up just because someone else did it before you. If it were for that we wouldn't have the cornucopia of alt coins we have today, because hey, cryptocurrencies are already invented, case closed. So go for it. If you'd give up everytime you see someone else doing something similar you'll never get a project out.
3377  Economy / Economics / Re: central banks and Bitcoin on: August 18, 2017, 08:16:46 AM
Seriously speaking, I don't really understand why we have to push for the fiat money to go. We should let all forms of money exist as long as they are legal tender of a given place and there are people who are using it. It is quite a very big ambition to try to convert all people to get away from fiat money and just use cryptocurrency. We have to remember that the stores we can see down in the isles are not yet accepting Bitcoin and as of now even if they do I will never use my Bitcoin in buying anything because I am speculating that it will further grow in value.


I think most Bitcoiners that took a closer look into the matter are aware that fully replacing fiat with cryptocurrency is not all that viable (in its current form). Nonetheless one can still dream that one day Bitcoin will be as ubiquitous as the Dollar or the Euro. That's all there is to it. English didn't replace local languages, yet it is understood pretty much everywhere. Bitcoin could play a similar role for currencies.
3378  Economy / Economics / Re: central banks and Bitcoin on: August 17, 2017, 11:29:28 PM
Hey,
I am right now a little bit researching about financial stability and monetary policy.
It seems that monetary policy through a central bank is pretty important for the global financial stability.
For example if there is a financial crisis, central banks try activly to stabilize the financial system.
If Bitcoin would replace fiat money and such a crisis would occur, wouldnt this lead to long term financial instability?


Monetary policies can fail or be tainted by conflicts of interests. Decentralized protocols are predictable and uncorruptable.

Apart from that, no worries. Bitcoin will never replace fiat money and doesn't need to. Some form of inflationary fiat will always be required to enable economic growth.

Look at Bitcoin as a store of value and as a hedge against failing monetary policies that just so happens to be usable as a currency as well.
3379  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Tax heaven. on: August 17, 2017, 10:31:42 PM
Someone owns cryptocurencies since long time ago, been exchanging them one to another via shapeshift and other anonymous exanges, never sold them for fiat yet. Value of portfolio dramatically increased.  At one day he decides to move some part of capital into other assets, like real estate, stocks, or create a business. He is free to move anywhere around the world and/or change  tax residency.

What would be the best strategy for him?

PS. He is libertarian minded and wishes to prevent terrorism financing (invest in state violence via taxation scheme).

Come to Germany or Austria, we pay an awful lot of taxes but not for Bitcoin holdings that have been kept for longer than a year Wink

Bad news is you'd have to relocate and obtain citizenship.

The good news is the beer is good.
3380  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Sent bitcoin to while it before it was installed completely on: August 17, 2017, 06:43:07 PM
And if that file is gone...  are the bitcoins unrecoverable?   

Yes. Did you have a Windows backup on schedule? Otherwise here's a list of file recovery software:

https://www.lifewire.com/free-data-recovery-software-tools-2622893

If I remember correctly Recuva was quite OK, but it's been a while since the last time that I had to recover files.
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