This kind of system is unfair to the community. Why?
1. Only the higher ranks have the ability to give more merits than the lower rank.
2. Majority of the members will tends to abuse it. (Give me a merit and i'll give yours in your alt account).
3. It will only create another offense or another SCAM for buying and selling Merits.
4. Many quality post specially low ranks are taken for granted ( and i know this comment will taken for granted by many because this is a newbie account) unless you know the person or the account holder.
5. Demerit also needs to be implemented to create a balance if @Theymos is really serious of eradicating shit posting or spam.
I DARE those so called Legendary and Heroes to agree with me if you have BALLS enough (only people who have BALLS will quote and agree) and you are really serious to eliminate shit posters.
I'm also calling all DT's to agree with me and lets finish this shit posting for good.
I would give you a merit or two but I don't have them  I have just two questions for you: are you serious about the point 5? You really think someone is bothered by spam posts? This system is conceived to slow down the growth of the forum and to separate the upper class from the commons like us (which is not such a bad thing, if you ask me - these guys have created this forum, answered so many questions and did so many favors to juniors that they deserved to be the upper class, kings, Gods, or whatever they like to be).
The math is simple: cause everyone can give only the half of the merits they get - half of the people will advance to the upper levels (most probably even much less, cause merits will tend to group together around certain people or groups) And that's just the first round. If we all had, let's say 100 merits to give to each other, in the next round we will have only 50, then 25, then 12, 6, 3, 1 and at the end - nothing. So, basically, by introducing this system of descending number of merits that never renew in the hands of the commons, the forum is locked and can be unlocked only by the mercy of Gods. And then, if you like to advance, only a God can help you with that  It doesn't have anything with the quality of the posts, the quality will remain the same, of course, only the posts of the commons will sound more stupid, empty-headed, and God-fearing (or this is a pleonasm, in fact, because these three are the same?) because people usually tend to adjust to the system when it's forced upon them And the second question about the point number 3: guess once who has the unlimited number of merits to sell (again: I support that, they deserved it) Hail to Gods ('cause they give merits) and cheers to commons ('cause they've made blockchain and this forum and Gods possible)! yes you and your math is right but i think you forgot about merit source read this and this is written in the first post of this thread by moderator "Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention." there are more info about merit source in the first post on this thread and there explains well that how you can be a merit source I forgot one thing, sorry: "there are more info about merit source in the first post on this thread and there explains well that how you can be a merit source". Really? Mate? Do you really think that you and me, commoners, "dust on the floor", can ever become "Merit Gods"? Do you think hard work will get you to the board of directors in your company? Do you believe Santa will give you presents because you've been good? Above all, what may sound strange to some, I don't think you should even desire to become one, too. Not to spam this thread and to repeat myself, I would like to refer you to this post of mine in which I list reasons why, in my opinion, nobody should ever crave for becoming a "Merit God" (I feel a bit dirty by merely receiving this weapon of mass destruction, but that's the other story, because I'm a hardcore leftist): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29073011#msg29073011 |
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This kind of system is unfair to the community. Why?
1. Only the higher ranks have the ability to give more merits than the lower rank.
2. Majority of the members will tends to abuse it. (Give me a merit and i'll give yours in your alt account).
3. It will only create another offense or another SCAM for buying and selling Merits.
4. Many quality post specially low ranks are taken for granted ( and i know this comment will taken for granted by many because this is a newbie account) unless you know the person or the account holder.
5. Demerit also needs to be implemented to create a balance if @Theymos is really serious of eradicating shit posting or spam.
I DARE those so called Legendary and Heroes to agree with me if you have BALLS enough (only people who have BALLS will quote and agree) and you are really serious to eliminate shit posters.
I'm also calling all DT's to agree with me and lets finish this shit posting for good.
I would give you a merit or two but I don't have them I have just two questions for you: are you serious about the point 5? You really think someone is bothered by spam posts? This system is conceived to slow down the growth of the forum and to separate the upper class from the commons like us (which is not such a bad thing, if you ask me - these guys have created this forum, answered so many questions and did so many favors to juniors that they deserved to be the upper class, kings, Gods, or whatever they like to be).
The math is simple: cause everyone can give only the half of the merits they get - half of the people will advance to the upper levels (most probably even much less, cause merits will tend to group together around certain people or groups) And that's just the first round. If we all had, let's say 100 merits to give to each other, in the next round we will have only 50, then 25, then 12, 6, 3, 1 and at the end - nothing. So, basically, by introducing this system of descending number of merits that never renew in the hands of the commons, the forum is locked and can be unlocked only by the mercy of Gods. And then, if you like to advance, only a God can help you with that It doesn't have anything with the quality of the posts, the quality will remain the same, of course, only the posts of the commons will sound more stupid, empty-headed, and God-fearing (or this is a pleonasm, in fact, because these three are the same?) because people usually tend to adjust to the system when it's forced upon them And the second question about the point number 3: guess once who has the unlimited number of merits to sell (again: I support that, they deserved it) Hail to Gods ('cause they give merits) and cheers to commons ('cause they've made blockchain and this forum and Gods possible)! yes you and your math is right but i think you forgot about merit source read this and this is written in the first post of this thread by moderator "Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention." there are more info about merit source in the first post on this thread and there explains well that how you can be a merit source No, I didn't, mate I just don't call them"merit sources", but "Merit Gods". Because the only real consequence of the introducing of the merit system is that the system crowned them as the Lords of the Bitcointalk. Here in this part: "the forum is locked and can be unlocked only by the mercy of Gods. And then, if you like to advance, only a God can help you with that". Again, I don't want to be misunderstood: I agree with them being crowned, and I support that. If someone should have been crowned, these guys sure have deserved that. Just that it gets on my nerves when people are talking about "quality of posts", thinking that other people are stupid or something. If someone really wanted to improve the "quality", he could achieve that in several simpler ways, without crowning himself and his friends as Gods and completely stop the army of honest and hardworking people by putting them at the mercy of the few. They did a great job with this forum, there are people who earn their living here, and this casts a shadow on the great image they have created for themselves in the past. Cheers, mate |
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This kind of system is unfair to the community. Why?
1. Only the higher ranks have the ability to give more merits than the lower rank.
2. Majority of the members will tends to abuse it. (Give me a merit and i'll give yours in your alt account).
3. It will only create another offense or another SCAM for buying and selling Merits.
4. Many quality post specially low ranks are taken for granted ( and i know this comment will taken for granted by many because this is a newbie account) unless you know the person or the account holder.
5. Demerit also needs to be implemented to create a balance if @Theymos is really serious of eradicating shit posting or spam.
I DARE those so called Legendary and Heroes to agree with me if you have BALLS enough (only people who have BALLS will quote and agree) and you are really serious to eliminate shit posters.
I'm also calling all DT's to agree with me and lets finish this shit posting for good.
I would give you a merit or two but I don't have them I have just two questions for you: are you serious about the point 5? You really think someone is bothered by spam posts? This system is conceived to slow down the growth of the forum and to separate the upper class from the commons like us (which is not such a bad thing, if you ask me - these guys have created this forum, answered so many questions and did so many favors to juniors that they deserved to be the upper class, kings, Gods, or whatever they like to be).
The math is simple: cause everyone can give only the half of the merits they get - half of the people will advance to the upper levels (most probably even much less, cause merits will tend to group together around certain people or groups) And that's just the first round. If we all had, let's say 100 merits to give to each other, in the next round we will have only 50, then 25, then 12, 6, 3, 1 and at the end - nothing. So, basically, by introducing this system of descending number of merits that never renew in the hands of the commons, the forum is locked and can be unlocked only by the mercy of Gods. And then, if you like to advance, only a God can help you with that It doesn't have anything with the quality of the posts, the quality will remain the same, of course, only the posts of the commons will sound more stupid, empty-headed, and God-fearing (or this is a pleonasm, in fact, because these three are the same?) because people usually tend to adjust to the system when it's forced upon them And the second question about the point number 3: guess once who has the unlimited number of merits to sell (again: I support that, they deserved it) Hail to Gods ('cause they give merits) and cheers to commons ('cause they've made blockchain and this forum and Gods possible)! |
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Pismo obraćanja Helie d'Hauteforta, direktora tvrtke GLOBCOIN zajednici:
"Pažljivo smo slušali tisuće glasova koji su postali dio naše zajednice koja se stalno uvećava i koja je u procesu restrukturiranja prodaje tokena, o čijim detaljima se diskutira iza zatvorenih vrata. Cijenimo svaki vaš komentar, recenziju i doprinos koji je od suštinskog značaja za našu misiju: pružanje tokenizirane košarice valuta svijetu.
Naša misija je poremetiti tržišta koja vrijede više trilijuna dolara i stvoriti nove ekonomske sustave na globalnoj razini.
Ekonomija koja stoji iza Globcoina, GCP i GLX tokena, jedinstvena je, te će takav biti i njen utjecaj na tržišta valuta. Stoga smo osmislili način sudjelovanja u prodaji tokena koji je prikladan kontekstu.
Wwe je imao više od 1000 + registrirani sudionika na "bijeloj listi" koji su namjeravali sudjelovati u našoj prodaji tokena od samog početka procesa. Također smo uspjeli prikupiti i 1,5 milijuna dolara od privatnih investicija.
Ti podaci pokazuju da postoji velika potražnja i potreba za našim proizvodom u kripto svijetu.
Jedini način za revidiranje prodaje ERC20 kompatibilnog tokena jest prekidanje trenutačne prodaje i otvaranje nove prodaje. Novo prodajno razdoblje počet će 12. veljače, a trajat će do 29. ožujka 2018. godine.
Ubrzo ćemo objaviti točnu strukturu bonusa s posebnim poticajem za sudionike koji su kupili naš stari token.
Hardcap će biti određen u ETH, na razini od 12 milijuna USD. Softcap već je prikupljena putem pomenutih privatnih plasmana tokena.
Cijena novog token bit će 10.000 GCP za 1 ETH.
Ako ste već sudjelovali u ICO kampanji GLOBCOIN-a, uskoro ćete primiti e-poštu s uputama. Zahvaljujemo vam na podršci i strpljenju.
Lijep pozdrav,
Helie d'Hautefort
Izvršni direktor - globcoin.io"
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Investicijski direktor tvrtke MicroMoney - Anton Dzyatkovsky, postao je savjetnik projekta Sofin
SOFIN projekt i dalje uspješno proširuje svoj savjetodavni odbor. Danas je naš savjetnik postao suosnivač i investicijski direktor tvrtke Micromoney-Anton Dzyatkovsky. Njegovoj odluci prethodilo je više od mjesec dana pregovora tijekom kojih je detaljno proučavao naš projekt. Naša i njegova tvrtka fokusirane su na isti globalni problem - poteškoće ljudi koji pokušavaju dobiti financijske usluge pristupačne cijene. Misija i ciljevi našeg projekta podudaraju se s trenutnim nadopunjavanjem našeg savjetodavnog vijeća.
Vrijedno je napomenuti da je tvrtka Micromoney uspješno završila svoj ICO s ukupnim prikupljenim iznosom od 12 milijuna dolara i ima za cilj postizanje najviših rezultata. To što se u našem timu savjetnika pojavila osoba koja je uspješno provela ICO u financijskom sektoru, velika je čast za nas i osnažuje povjerenja u uspješnu provedbu projekta Sofin.
Treba naglasiti da ova suradnja otvara nove mogućnosti za SOFIN. Nakon pristupa azijskim tržištima, naš projekt planira koristiti kreditni ured tvrtke Micromoney pomoću blockchain lanca.
Direktor projekta Sofin - Andrey Tuchkov i investicijski direktor MicroMoney Anton Dzyatkovsky već su prethodnom prilikom dogovorili suradnju. Materijal o tome možete pročitati ovdje: https://goo.gl/kD8daZ
MicroMoney: https://goo.gl/QenQdz
Sofin: https://goo.gl/cQm9wi
Više o projektu "Sofin" možete saznati na Telegram kanalu projekta: https://goo.gl/vfVDJg
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Caviar tim na konferenciji D10e, uživa u govoru predsjednika tvrtke Rivetz Corp.Još manje od 2 dana ostala su do kraja Caviarove ICO prodaje! Investirajte odmah! http://bit.ly/2rQkEcX
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Prva faza prodaje Zapit tokena je OTPOČELA! Požurite! Sada možete zaraditi 50% bonusa na kupnju. Zašto kupovati proizvode koji nisu dobri? Postanite dio online shopping revolucije i dobivajte ono što zaslužujete - samo najbolje! Posjetite http://www.zapit.online i pridružite se revolucionarnoj ICO prodaji.
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Hi, HuaHui! I see that the conditions and dates of the ICO sale have changed on the website. Does it reflect on us, bounty workers, in some way: do we have to make changes in the WP/ANN, do we continue to work 'til the end of March, and the question that, I suppose, interests all of us - do we get paid, and when? :-) Softcap is reached, as it's stated on the website, so I guess, it's all fine at the moment? Cheers, mate!
Hi, HuaHui! I see that the conditions and dates of the ICO sale have changed on the website. Does it reflect on us, bounty workers, in some way: do we have to make changes in the WP/ANN, do we continue to work 'til the end of March, and the question that, I suppose, interests all of us - do we get paid, and when? :-) Softcap is reached, as it's stated on the website, so I guess, it's all fine at the moment? Cheers, mate!
if that's the case then it takes about 8 more weeks will happen about 20 weeks in a campaign, it seems that it is over the limit when they decide to reopen the sale there must also be changes to the campaign Hi, I am offering them my suggestion. I am putting myself in the shoe of the bounty participants and so i am trying to fight for you all but the dev has the final say and i am waiting for their decision. The change in the ico sale is fixed however, the detail for the updated bounty is still not fixed yet. I am really trying my best and i really hope the dev team can hear my suggestion. Thanks a lot, mate, we appreciate that. We're all aware that devs make that kind of decisions. Hope you will communicate us the news when you hear them. Cheers! |
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Hi, HuaHui! I see that the conditions and dates of the ICO sale have changed on the website. Does it reflect on us, bounty workers, in some way: do we have to make changes in the WP/ANN, do we continue to work 'til the end of March, and the question that, I suppose, interests all of us - do we get paid, and when? :-) Softcap is reached, as it's stated on the website, so I guess, it's all fine at the moment? Cheers, mate!
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Tim tvrtke Sofin imao je sastanak sa savjetnikom predsjednika Ruske Federacije, Hermanom Klimenkom.
Da biste saznali više o projektu "Sofin" posjetite kanal tvrtke na Telegramu: https://goo.gl/MSZVb9
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Ja mislim da je sustav merita dosta dobro osmišljen. Pogotovo mi se sviđa dio gdje za svaki merit bod koji dobijemo automatski dobijemo i pola smerita. Smerit onome koji ga ima ne služi ničemu tako da smo na neki način potaknuti da ih dijelimo dalje. Primjer za slučaj da nekome nije jasno: ako dobijem 20 merit bodova automatski sam dobio i 10 smerit bodova koje mogu dati drugom korisniku.
Naravno da postoji dosta prostora za zloupotrebu merit sistema. Čitajući malo teme čini mi se da pogotovo ruski i kineski subforumi prednjače sa međusobnim dogovorima za pumpanje merita. Ali s druge strane istovremeno nastaju i teme gdje se prijavljuje te korisnike pa ćemo vidjeti što će ispasti na kraju. Ovaj sistem postoji tek nekoliko dana te treba vidjeti kakvi će biti rezultati za koji mjesec kad se potroši količina smerita koju su korisnici dobili generiranu po ranku.
Meni osobno se čini da je merit sistem super za ovaj forum. Ako ništa drugo u zadnjih 3 dana pročitao sam puno više kvalitetnih postova od newbie korisnika nego ikad prije. Tako da vjerujem da će ukupna kvaliteta postova dosta porasti. Pogotovo kad signature kampanje počnu zahtjevati ljude sa određenim brojem merita. Već sam čuo da je yahoo pokrenuo signature kampanju koja isplaćuje bonuse za dobar merit score ali je nisam osobno proučio za sad pa ne znam detalje. Pročitao si postove visoke kvalitete, a jesi li i svakom dao po merit? Mislim da su ovo napravili kako bi usporili rast foruma (koji je zbilja počeo rasti u posljednje vrijeme), a ne zbog kvalitete postova. Sad je sustav napredovanja postao sustav merita, a ne broja postova - promijenili su, dakle, cijelu filozofiju foruma. Čini mi se i da će ovi meriti biti kao i sa svaka druga stvar koju "vlast" promijeni - elita će postati samo još veća elita, a siroti će biti samo još sirotiji. Sad će se svi još više lizat s tim bogovima merita koji ih mogu dodjeljivati kako žele (i kome žele), Kinezi i Indonežani će početi hvatati na masu i davati jedni drugima merite za "kvalitetne" postove tipa "Good sir, when airdrop?", a oni normalni koji se sada priključe mogu samo sanjati o visokim rankovima. Evo: ja bih ti sad dodijelio merit za tvoj post, ali nemam ih više :-) Morat ćemo svi na lizanje kod nekog "boga merita" Sve što si napisao je točno ali uz to poboljšala se i kvaliteta postova. Mislim da trebamo dati mjesec dva da vidimo kako će se stvari razvijati. Nadam se da će ovi koji se međusobno pumpaju na "Good sir, when airdrop?" biti kažnjeni, a "bogovi merita" pošteni. Ima nekih naznaka da se radi tome pa ćemo vidjeti. Posebno da se osvrnem na ovo boldano. Nisam dao svakome po merit iz jednostavnog razloga što ih imam puno premalo a ti newbie korisnici ipak nisu napisali ništa novo ili što bi meni koristilo. Uglavnom su sistematizirali sve što se već piše i što sam već vidio. S druge strane postovi su bili na dobrom engleskom i dobro strukturirani ali su također već i dobili dovoljno merita od drugih korisnika. Ja sam za početak odlučio da ću davati merit bazirano na tome koliko informacija u postu meni osobno znači, ali mislim da ću to malo korigirati pogotovo ako budem skupio nešto smerit bodova da više favoriziram niže rangove. Viši rangovi imaju prednost kako god okreneš ali ne možeš negirati da velik dio legendary/hero korisnika stvarno ima i znanje/iskustvo puno veće od "nas normalnih" koji smo se priključili zadnje godine. Da ih nema ne bi ni znao koliko toga još ne znam Ma evo, po jedan merit obojici! nioschka je uglavnom sve dobro sažeo što i ja mislim. Sretan sam što sa dotigao Sr. member rank prije ovih promjena. Do Hero/legendary ranka je svakako još dug put a alt računa nemam i ne planiram ih. Tako da sam manje-više ravnodušan... Jedino što će mi faliti je 'demerit' - njih bi dijelio i šakom i kapom  Evo Mišo i tebi jedan na moj račun :-) Zezam se ja, nisu meni ti meriti i rankovi toliko važni, ja sam profesor, lingvist, a za moju šljaku ovdje dovoljan mi je i junior member rang. Trofo je lijepo primijetio da nema više merita za dodijeliti, zato je to tako i osmišljeno, kako bi Bogovi mogli odlučivati o tome tko će napredovati, a tko ne. Nervira me samo što ti vlasnici Bitcointalka misle da smo neki papci i balvani te nam pričaju o "poboljšanju kvalitete postova" do koje ovim novim sustavom napredovanja na temelju njihove dobre volje i milosti sigurno neće doći. Ono što će se dogoditi je to da će se omasoviti dupeuvlakački postovi "Bogovima merita" i njihovim kapricima, a svi koji nisu njihovi frendovi neće napredovati s razine na razinu brzinom kojom su dosad to uspijevali. Naravno, oni samo štite svoje pozicije moći (što je negdje i ok, oni su ipak najstariji ovdje i red je da najviše i dobivaju od svega), sva ostala spika je besmislica, a da se ne ponavljam, evo ovdje što sam napisao o tom njihovom "new bitcointalk orderu": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg29070522#msg29070522Nego se mi moramo nekako organizirati, a njima ću tražiti da nam daju "10 zapovjedi merita" i da nama smrtnicima definiraju što je to "kvalitetan post" za koji će dodjeljivati merite, da se i mi sirotani malo zajebavamo :-) |
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Please accept my apologies if this has been discussed, I'm not reading through 82 pages.
Currently, the forum's general protocol frowns heavily on the act of asking for positive trust in return for a transaction. Hell, I've been given negative trust (unfairly) for simply stating that I would conduct a transaction for free if the other person would consider giving me trust equal to the experience.
Should the sam rule apply, more seriously, to merit?
I just came across a post where someone explained a simple idea and then said "if you like my idea, send me merit." There is no negative merit, so an ask like this seems more serious than asking for trust.
What's the consensus here, if someone is asking for merit should they be penalized or ostracized or "corrected" as to the correct forum protocol to not do so?
Theymos stated that : Do not beg for merit excessively. The trust system and the merit system are a two different thing, merits have been designed to improve the quality of posts of those who are here in this forum, and yes there is a consensus here. Because the merit system is different from the trust system you can have negative trusts if you are begging, selling and buying merits. In simple terms terms you can have -100 plus trust rating even and have 1000 plus merits at the same time.  Does anyone actually believe that the merit system will "improve the quality of posts"? You guys think that a bunch of people (not to mention certain national groups, but it will happen in that way, for sure) won't start to give each other merits for posts like "good sir, when airdrop"? I don't believe that the system was designed for the improving of the overall quality in the first place: it was designed for the slowdown of the forum activity. Quality will more or less remain the same, it's obvious. But what worries me is the existence of these "Gods of Merits" who can show their merit mercy upon their lobby champs, and rage upon the sinners. Was that really necessary? Couldn't that be done in some other way, without showing the muscles? Would someone from the management explain us why that title was introduced, maybe I've missed a philosophical idea that exists in the background of that act (which I won't call the act of absolutist power, although the resemblance is stunning)? Do you think that the act is in line with the very essence of the decentralized Bitcoin nature and everything else that blockchain technology represents, comparing to the banks, states, companies and other bs creations? Will any of these Gods give me 150 merits, so I can move to the next rank? I don't believe so. Will they deny merits to Satoshi because they don't know that it was Him who has written a "low quality" post? Will they give him merits if they learn that it was He who has written the "good sir, when airdrop" thing? Do we really need to associate personalities with the addresses/nicks and to introduce such a state-like central power to Bitcoin and communities that surround it? If management was concerned about the quality of posts, I think a lot simpler and more repressive system of, for example, some negative merits or something similar could be introduced. So, please, don't talk about "quality of posts" anymore 'cause it hurts intelligence. Hail to the Gods ( 'cause they give merits)! And cheers to everyone else ( 'cause they make the Bitcoin and the existence of Gods possible)! I have exactly same fillings when it comes to Merit implementation. I don't think the main reason was to improve post quality and if, this should be discussed and tested before full implementation. I just think that this will make more damage as good in this forum. Another tool which could be easily abused. I have a lot of question and doubts. Still, don't understand why we need these special users " Merit Gods "? Are they under control? Is there any spreadsheet for initial merit distribution? How to become a " merit God"? I wouldn't like to become a "Merit God", if you ask me, and here are the reasons: 1. I love Bitcoin, the very nature of it that denies all central power and Gods. It's a good thing, for people, not for exercising the power of an inherited or self-proclaimed position/function. Everybody has the same position and the same function in the blockchain. 2. If you are a God you have to reward some, and deny reward to others. And all of these people represent small parts of the blockchain. They are the reason the blockchain, Bitcoin, and this forum exist in the first place. If they don't mine, trade and post ridiculous posts, nothing of this would ever exist - not even the newly born "Merit Gods" (no matter how odd that may sound to them). So, by being forced to judge these people, I would be actually forced to judge myself. 3. Power is a strange and ugly thing. Not because it's bad by itself, but because the power to make decisions defines who you are, and it's a contagious feeling, you can't get rid of all that power once you gain it. You start that with a best intention, and gradually, without even being able to notice, you really become a sort of a decision-making deity And people start to respond to that function of yours, with fear, avoidance, worship, butt-licking - but never more as friends, as equals, as peers. But your troubles don't end there, it's just the beginning: when you have that kind of power in one segment of your life, it takes one hell of an effort not to reflect your deity status on the other segments of your life - your actual, real-life friends, family, clerks, passers-by... And these people also reacts, in the same manner. And all of a sudden you find yourself all alone, in constant battle to preserve your position on the power throne, like a real God, high in the clouds (except that you're actually not a real God, so you will suffer). |
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Please accept my apologies if this has been discussed, I'm not reading through 82 pages.
Currently, the forum's general protocol frowns heavily on the act of asking for positive trust in return for a transaction. Hell, I've been given negative trust (unfairly) for simply stating that I would conduct a transaction for free if the other person would consider giving me trust equal to the experience.
Should the sam rule apply, more seriously, to merit?
I just came across a post where someone explained a simple idea and then said "if you like my idea, send me merit." There is no negative merit, so an ask like this seems more serious than asking for trust.
What's the consensus here, if someone is asking for merit should they be penalized or ostracized or "corrected" as to the correct forum protocol to not do so?
Theymos stated that : Do not beg for merit excessively. The trust system and the merit system are a two different thing, merits have been designed to improve the quality of posts of those who are here in this forum, and yes there is a consensus here. Because the merit system is different from the trust system you can have negative trusts if you are begging, selling and buying merits. In simple terms terms you can have -100 plus trust rating even and have 1000 plus merits at the same time. Does anyone actually believe that the merit system will "improve the quality of posts"? You guys think that a bunch of people (not to mention certain national groups, but it will happen in that way, for sure) won't start to give each other merits for posts like "good sir, when airdrop"? I don't believe that the system was designed for the improving of the overall quality in the first place: it was designed for the slowdown of the forum activity. Quality will more or less remain the same, it's obvious. But what worries me is the existence of these "Gods of Merits" who can show their merit mercy upon their lobby champs, and rage upon the sinners. Was that really necessary? Couldn't that be done in some other way, without showing the muscles? Would someone from the management explain us why that title was introduced, maybe I've missed a philosophical idea that exists in the background of that act (which I won't call the act of absolutist power, although the resemblance is stunning)? Do you think that the act is in line with the very essence of the decentralized Bitcoin nature and everything else that blockchain technology represents, comparing to the banks, states, companies and other bs creations? Will any of these Gods give me 150 merits, so I can move to the next rank? I don't believe so. Will they deny merits to Satoshi because they don't know that it was Him who has written a "low quality" post? Will they give him merits if they learn that it was He who has written the "good sir, when airdrop" thing? Do we really need to associate personalities with the addresses/nicks and to introduce such a state-like central power to Bitcoin and communities that surround it? If management was concerned about the quality of posts, I think a lot simpler and more repressive system of, for example, some negative merits or something similar could be introduced. So, please, don't talk about "quality of posts" anymore 'cause it hurts intelligence. Hail to the Gods ( 'cause they give merits)! And cheers to everyone else ( 'cause they make the Bitcoin and the existence of Gods possible)! |
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Ja mislim da je sustav merita dosta dobro osmišljen. Pogotovo mi se sviđa dio gdje za svaki merit bod koji dobijemo automatski dobijemo i pola smerita. Smerit onome koji ga ima ne služi ničemu tako da smo na neki način potaknuti da ih dijelimo dalje. Primjer za slučaj da nekome nije jasno: ako dobijem 20 merit bodova automatski sam dobio i 10 smerit bodova koje mogu dati drugom korisniku.
Naravno da postoji dosta prostora za zloupotrebu merit sistema. Čitajući malo teme čini mi se da pogotovo ruski i kineski subforumi prednjače sa međusobnim dogovorima za pumpanje merita. Ali s druge strane istovremeno nastaju i teme gdje se prijavljuje te korisnike pa ćemo vidjeti što će ispasti na kraju. Ovaj sistem postoji tek nekoliko dana te treba vidjeti kakvi će biti rezultati za koji mjesec kad se potroši količina smerita koju su korisnici dobili generiranu po ranku.
Meni osobno se čini da je merit sistem super za ovaj forum. Ako ništa drugo u zadnjih 3 dana pročitao sam puno više kvalitetnih postova od newbie korisnika nego ikad prije. Tako da vjerujem da će ukupna kvaliteta postova dosta porasti. Pogotovo kad signature kampanje počnu zahtjevati ljude sa određenim brojem merita. Već sam čuo da je yahoo pokrenuo signature kampanju koja isplaćuje bonuse za dobar merit score ali je nisam osobno proučio za sad pa ne znam detalje. Pročitao si postove visoke kvalitete, a jesi li i svakom dao po merit? Mislim da su ovo napravili kako bi usporili rast foruma (koji je zbilja počeo rasti u posljednje vrijeme), a ne zbog kvalitete postova. Sad je sustav napredovanja postao sustav merita, a ne broja postova - promijenili su, dakle, cijelu filozofiju foruma. Čini mi se i da će ovi meriti biti kao i sa svaka druga stvar koju "vlast" promijeni - elita će postati samo još veća elita, a siroti će biti samo još sirotiji. Sad će se svi još više lizat s tim bogovima merita koji ih mogu dodjeljivati kako žele (i kome žele), Kinezi i Indonežani će početi hvatati na masu i davati jedni drugima merite za "kvalitetne" postove tipa "Good sir, when airdrop?", a oni normalni koji se sada priključe mogu samo sanjati o visokim rankovima. Evo: ja bih ti sad dodijelio merit za tvoj post, ali nemam ih više :-) Morat ćemo svi na lizanje kod nekog "boga merita" |
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