Take a look at this : Roger Ver "You should want more insider trading, not less.".
Can't take a look at it if you do not provide a link. Put up or shut up. It was taken from this tweet https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/943635857126445056Maybe taken out of context but still tweeted by ver |
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lols, im scared to click on your links  if its really important, leave more info on the video and ill look it up  Basically a video from CNBC I think about bitcoin and bcash |
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The specifications already are finalised and being used on the real chain
And no you cannot just close and double spend because when you closed the final balance is settled not the one you opened
Say I open for 1BTC with you and then send you 0.5BTC over LN and then close the channel we both then get 0.5BTC settled back into our wallets this is not double spending you are closing the channel in its current state not the state it was opened with
Tek , you always leave out important details. The whole point to the LN scams is the Time Locking as the whole thing is unsafe without. They might allow that in the testing trials, but don't expect it to be in the released version. You do realize you are giving out the exact opposite information of the LN Devs, which have always claimed the channels would be opened for weeks or months, claiming what you are claiming shows you are misinformed of what the final release will be like. Which is why there is no reason to speculate on it as that quick disable channel feature will be removed before public release. So until your vapor ware is released to the public and on the regular chain for normal use, quit the bs.
Plus are you saving up the million of US Dollars needed to buy that banking license to run a LN HUB. LOL. ╥Aztek And you are going round trying to inform people with old outdated information outstanding issues from very early alpha releases things move on the releases that are in use on testnet are identical to what will be used on mainnet thats the whole idea of a test network to test final code. And are you still trying to spread the LN banking FUD it's quite pathetic that you actually believe what you say either that or you just hope what you say is true you may as well go the full distance and say mining will be regulated and require KYC too since you are processing transactions and being paid for it |
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And before you say about locking up your BTC for weeks or months this is not the case you can close a channel and put your BTC back on chain at ANY time at the click of a button I have opened a channel sent maybe 0or so of transactions for the tiniest amount and closed it putting funds back on chain within an hour from start to finish including waiting for confirmations
LN has not been activated yet, so your saying how the vaporware works is speculation , as a final released version may be changed. If you open a channel with someone and send them funds and then say you can cancel immediately. You basically saying you can double spend at will and steal your money back. So you might want to rethink that. LOL. ╥Aztek The specifications already are finalised and being used on the real chain And no you cannot just close and double spend because when you closed the final balance is settled not the one you opened Say I open for 1BTC with you and then send you 0.5BTC over LN and then close the channel we both then get 0.5BTC settled back into our wallets this is not double spending you are closing the channel in its current state not the state it was opened with BTW here is a real in chain transaction https://twitter.com/alexbosworth/status/946175898029395968It's closed for everyone to use right now and no mainnet GUI wallets they are all still locked to testnet but that will change once the public release candidate is released for everyone to use |
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ididnt cut anything lol,
where did you say it before? lol
ahh i see it now...BECAUSE YOU FKN EDITED IT AFTER I QUOTED YOU ...duh
reduces fees to nothing....you talking about segwit?lightining ?thunder?
I added it straight away and you replied like 5 mins after I edited that's why I asked No im talking about you all going on about sub cent fees which last I checked Bcash was now up to 10c per transaction on average so rising already but once block rewards have gone 99% will be gone in 10 years then all miners can earn are fees and with such low fees the miners won't earn anything so why would miners that are incentified by rewards push for a chain that will be dropping their mining rewards without alternative motives so your saying, when btc/bch stops being mined the miners need high fees...this is a blockstream saying from a while back, i remember it well. they give us high fees now to prepare us for when the blocks stop getting mined..like in 100years time i think, not 10yrs. basically what you are calling a problem isnt a problem for a very very long time. No I said 99% will be gone in 10 years with the further 1% going over the next 100 years were at about 80% now So there are several possible outcomes 1. The fees will start getting really high really fast (Unlikely with unlimited blockspace as proposed) 2. Miners just start abandoning for the higher profitability coin and leave BCH weak and dying or refusing to mine low fee transactions forcing higher fees 3. With unlimited blocks and more centralised nodes in the hands of the miners they will force a higher total supply printing money at will inflating way past the 21m cap (Possible) The miners/creators of BCH are not thinking about long term just what they can get now and as fast as possible What are your thoughts on when the mining rewards start dwindling away and relying on fees what will happen what are my thoughts on miners fees after 10years and up too the next 100years? 2028-2128....hmmm damn thats a long time away....im sure alot will happen by then....tbh i dont know except it has to it evolve...as it currently has into BCH To give us a slow and extremly high fee service today is your solution on old btc chain...i think your trying to solve something that doesnt exist. i prefer the way BCH is doing it...nakamoto styleee  Temporary slow and its not really slow its just more expensive but like you say a lot can happen but as a system for trading $1 to $1,000,000 and more is it fair that the people needing to use $1 has to be forced to the same fee structure as those sending thousands and millions when the small transactions can be taken off the chain and used for practically free for a much smaller cost of doing just a single on the chain transaction while those that need to store and send thousands can do it on chain and pay towards the miners fees without forcing the tiny transactions into the same class And before you say about locking up your BTC for weeks or months this is not the case you can close a channel and put your BTC back on chain at ANY time at the click of a button I have opened a channel sent maybe 20 or so of transactions for the tiniest amount and closed it putting funds back on chain within an hour from start to finish including waiting for confirmations |
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ididnt cut anything lol,
where did you say it before? lol
ahh i see it now...BECAUSE YOU FKN EDITED IT AFTER I QUOTED YOU ...duh
reduces fees to nothing....you talking about segwit?lightining ?thunder?
I added it straight away and you replied like 5 mins after I edited that's why I asked No im talking about you all going on about sub cent fees which last I checked Bcash was now up to 10c per transaction on average so rising already but once block rewards have gone 99% will be gone in 10 years then all miners can earn are fees and with such low fees the miners won't earn anything so why would miners that are incentified by rewards push for a chain that will be dropping their mining rewards without alternative motives so your saying, when btc/bch stops being mined the miners need high fees...this is a blockstream saying from a while back, i remember it well. they give us high fees now to prepare us for when the blocks stop getting mined..like in 100years time i think, not 10yrs. basically what you are calling a problem isnt a problem for a very very long time. No I said 99% will be gone in 10 years with the further 1% going over the next 100 years were at about 80% now So there are several possible outcomes 1. The fees will start getting really high really fast (Unlikely with unlimited blockspace as proposed) 2. Miners just start abandoning for the higher profitability coin and leave BCH weak and dying or refusing to mine low fee transactions forcing higher fees 3. With unlimited blocks and more centralised nodes in the hands of the miners they will force a higher total supply printing money at will inflating way past the 21m cap (Possible) The miners/creators of BCH are not thinking about long term just what they can get now and as fast as possible What are your thoughts on when the mining rewards start dwindling away and relying on fees what will happen |
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ididnt cut anything lol,
where did you say it before? lol
ahh i see it now...BECAUSE YOU FKN EDITED IT AFTER I QUOTED YOU ...duh
reduces fees to nothing....you talking about segwit?lightining ?thunder?
I added it straight away and you replied like 5 mins after I edited that's why I asked No im talking about you all going on about sub cent fees which last I checked Bcash was now up to 10c per transaction on average so rising already but once block rewards have gone 99% will be gone in 10 years then all miners can earn are fees and with such low fees the miners won't earn anything so why would miners that are incentified by rewards push for a chain that will be dropping their mining rewards without alternative motives |
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lots of red as expected, but i dont think it wil last long, the market held very nicely above $500bill BCH is cheap now, im buying more. ...i see btc $$ coming into BCH. ...if it goes lower ill keep buying BCH is btc guys...the sooner everyone wakes up and realises the better. Its the true fork, BCH forked 1 day before segwit infected and basically killed off the old slow btc chain. btc was needing upgraded, the only way was to hardfork,however for the first time, the old fork kept the name and ticker...but for how long? as more value & infrastructure comes into BCH , it will eventually become the true upgraded bitcoin (cheaper,faster and private) the old chain will fade away and will become an alt coin called segwit1x like when eth forked off from the dao and the old eth chain became etc while the new chain continued as eth. BUY , ACCUMULATE AND HODL BCH
2018, 1 BCH= $25K+
  ETH Officially upgraded (Like SegWit) but a small group didn't like the upgrade (Like Bcash community) therefore released ETC (Like Bcash) causing a minority chain The same happened when Bcash Upgraded (New DAA) a small group did not like the change (Clashic Community) therefore went of on their own (Bitcoin Clashic) causing a minority chain Fun Fact the Clashic chain is now ahead of the Bcash chain in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty just the same as Bcash is ahead of Bitcoin in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty wrong wrong wrong trust me, i know exactly what happned with eth and how etc came about, i was in the thick of it...check me old posts if you want. eth forked and took its name with it, etc kept the old chain but not the name. you still havent told me if your part of adams shill team? tbh im convinced you are somehow involved with blockstream, you have been here from day1 in this thread only and never have anything positive to say for BCH..why? who the fk spends 4months daily on a thread to fud? are you adam? lols im mean you could be , i hear gmaxwell is lauda. is this what you guys do instead of working as devs...you troll forums fulltime? Yes ETH forked and took the name but it was an official fork just like when Bcash went with the new DAA and left clashic the point was it was official and not some disgruntled miners I have nothing to do with blockstream and im far from here daily ive barely been here recently and in the time ive not this place has been pretty much dead eth fork was official because the community was and is behind the great dev team and its a combined effort to make eth hardforks work smoothly. btc hardfork was not easy with so many factions in the whole community and no natural leader(satoshi gone) blockstream were given a chance, they were given time...in the end no one is happy about what the have done to btc. It will take a bit off time but eventually everyone will understand how and why forks are essential to crypto upgrades... and if the newer fork has a bigger community backing then it gets the old forks..name,value and infrastructure....as it always has been on all crypto coins. Why did you feel the need to cut this line from my replies and totally ignore it like it was not there ? It's already been proved over and over that miners are fueled by mining whatever coin is most profitable so ask yourself WHY would the miners try and fork off to a coin that reduces fees to nothing (their profits) without an alternative motive behind it |
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lots of red as expected, but i dont think it wil last long, the market held very nicely above $500bill BCH is cheap now, im buying more. ...i see btc $$ coming into BCH. ...if it goes lower ill keep buying BCH is btc guys...the sooner everyone wakes up and realises the better. Its the true fork, BCH forked 1 day before segwit infected and basically killed off the old slow btc chain. btc was needing upgraded, the only way was to hardfork,however for the first time, the old fork kept the name and ticker...but for how long? as more value & infrastructure comes into BCH , it will eventually become the true upgraded bitcoin (cheaper,faster and private) the old chain will fade away and will become an alt coin called segwit1x like when eth forked off from the dao and the old eth chain became etc while the new chain continued as eth. BUY , ACCUMULATE AND HODL BCH
2018, 1 BCH= $25K+
ETH Officially upgraded (Like SegWit) but a small group didn't like the upgrade (Like Bcash community) therefore released ETC (Like Bcash) causing a minority chain The same happened when Bcash Upgraded (New DAA) a small group did not like the change (Clashic Community) therefore went of on their own (Bitcoin Clashic) causing a minority chain Fun Fact the Clashic chain is now ahead of the Bcash chain in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty just the same as Bcash is ahead of Bitcoin in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty wrong wrong wrong trust me, i know exactly what happned with eth and how etc came about, i was in the thick of it...check me old posts if you want. eth forked and took its name with it, etc kept the old chain but not the name. you still havent told me if your part of adams shill team? tbh im convinced you are somehow involved with blockstream, you have been here from day1 in this thread only and never have anything positive to say for BCH..why? who the fk spends 4months daily on a thread to fud? are you adam? lols im mean you could be , i hear gmaxwell is lauda. is this what you guys do instead of working as devs...you troll forums fulltime? Yes ETH forked and took the name but it was an official fork just like when Bcash went with the new DAA and left clashic the point was it was official and not some disgruntled miners I have nothing to do with blockstream and im far from here daily ive barely been here recently and in the time ive not this place has been pretty much dead It's already been proved over and over that miners are fueled by mining whatever coin is most profitable so ask yourself WHY would the miners try and fork off to a coin that reduces fees to nothing (their profits) without an alternative motive behind it |
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lots of red as expected, but i dont think it wil last long, the market held very nicely above $500bill BCH is cheap now, im buying more. ...i see btc $$ coming into BCH. ...if it goes lower ill keep buying BCH is btc guys...the sooner everyone wakes up and realises the better. Its the true fork, BCH forked 1 day before segwit infected and basically killed off the old slow btc chain. btc was needing upgraded, the only way was to hardfork,however for the first time, the old fork kept the name and ticker...but for how long? as more value & infrastructure comes into BCH , it will eventually become the true upgraded bitcoin (cheaper,faster and private) the old chain will fade away and will become an alt coin called segwit1x like when eth forked off from the dao and the old eth chain became etc while the new chain continued as eth. BUY , ACCUMULATE AND HODL BCH
2018, 1 BCH= $25K+
ETH Officially upgraded (Like SegWit) but a small group didn't like the upgrade (Like Bcash community) therefore released ETC (Like Bcash) causing a minority chain The same happened when Bcash Upgraded (New DAA) a small group did not like the change (Clashic Community) therefore went of on their own (Bitcoin Clashic) causing a minority chain Fun Fact the Clashic chain is now ahead of the Bcash chain in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty just the same as Bcash is ahead of Bitcoin in blocks but way behind in accumulated difficulty |
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NYSE has filed for 2 BTC ETF's ( market cap of 23 trillion) but no mention of bcash why?
I guess BCH is only regarded as a fork of bitcoin, even though it is the most successful one. BCH is way better than BTC, even if Bitcin is still the king because of the huge community and the infrastructure. But is useless for daily use as I can't buy a coffee with it.. Is just a store of value. I hope that Bitcoin Cash will resolve this issue and that we all use BCH daily in the future. have you checked waves.. its way more faster than BCH and BTC and even ETH Or how about the coins that are instant transaction and zero fees? Like Byteball, like RaiBlock, and like IOTA. These coins already have features that can overthrow BTC but yet they probably most likely won't. Same for BCH. There is also Bitcoin Cash https://medium.com/@nopara73/presenting-bitcoin-cash-semi-centralized-bitcoin-pegged-scalable-instant-anonymous-electronic-7e5c65e464ca |
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Hello dear bitcoin cash comunity,
When will the swap from bitcoin to bitcoin cash happen? I haveheard of a friend of mine that the devs of btc are planing to shut btc down and swap the marketcap to bitcoin cash.
I heard off a friend that roger and jihan are on the verge of selling all their bcash because it has not fulfilled all the dreams and forefeight fees are very high already, this is nothing close to what you could expect to use daily. no wonder bch is going down This is some of the poorest trolling I've ever seen. BCH fees are a spec of dust on the skyscraper of BTC's fees. And tek, you "heard from a friend"? LOL, that's so lame. Buddy I think it's time to accept that the ship has sailed. And you may want to consider dumping a little BTC before it really tanks... BCH/BTC exchange rate is not bad now, it's not too late to join the future. What worse than hearing from a friend that BTC is planning on shutting down and moving the marketcap to BCH If you lot are gonna make up crap like this then why can't I ? BTW have you caught this discussion with a Bcash shill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geVXGn4_JtQ it's a couple of hours long and quite painful to listen to but well worth the laugh BRUH. You are confused. I'm not making anything up. You were making sh*t up saying a "friend told you Roger and Jihan are selling all of their BCH". First of all that makes no sense, and secondly that's a groundless rumor. Regarding BTC "shutting down and moving marketcap to BCH", that's pretty much what's happening before our eyes. No need to make up rumors of what anybody heard from anybody else - just look at the charts and the stats. This isn't about egos anymore - BCH is the way forward and BTC is slowly dying in Wall St and Blockstream's hands. Never said you in particular just the group in general and no its not happening not even in the slightest BCH has not gained any ground from the date it was released it just remained stale while BTC gained and gained and now has just made an artificial pump to play catchup. Even McAfee one of the bigger supporters of Bcash has said that BTC is the best long term investment https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/945711235940737024 and I seem to remember you all saying KimDotCom was behind Bcash and would dump BTC to the ground yet he says different https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/942873633952645120 and https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/942874886711664641 |
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Hello dear bitcoin cash comunity,
When will the swap from bitcoin to bitcoin cash happen? I haveheard of a friend of mine that the devs of btc are planing to shut btc down and swap the marketcap to bitcoin cash.
I heard off a friend that roger and jihan are on the verge of selling all their bcash because it has not fulfilled all the dreams and forefeight fees are very high already, this is nothing close to what you could expect to use daily. no wonder bch is going down This is some of the poorest trolling I've ever seen. BCH fees are a spec of dust on the skyscraper of BTC's fees. And tek, you "heard from a friend"? LOL, that's so lame. Buddy I think it's time to accept that the ship has sailed. And you may want to consider dumping a little BTC before it really tanks... BCH/BTC exchange rate is not bad now, it's not too late to join the future. What worse than hearing from a friend that BTC is planning on shutting down and moving the marketcap to BCH If you lot are gonna make up crap like this then why can't I ? BTW have you caught this discussion with a Bcash shill https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geVXGn4_JtQ it's a couple of hours long and quite painful to listen to but well worth the laugh |
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Hello dear bitcoin cash comunity,
When will the swap from bitcoin to bitcoin cash happen? I haveheard of a friend of mine that the devs of btc are planing to shut btc down and swap the marketcap to bitcoin cash.
I heard off a friend that roger and jihan are on the verge of selling all their bcash because it has not fulfilled all the dreams and forefeight |
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I wonder if this bitcoin cash is going to be shaky, because it's only inside the great Chinese firewall.
How is it going to get out if only Chinese exchanges have the ability to download a blockchain.
WTF are you going on about? The Bitcoin Cash blockchain is world-wide. I have a copy of the entire blockchain on a computer sitting near my ankles in the good ol' USA. Will it still be there if you have to download a possible 6GB per hour (~4TB a month) with 1GB Blocks |
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hello all,
how much money miner make from mining btc vs bch?
pretend lightning networks works well for btc, then miners wont be needed for btc network? bc mostly transactions would be done off main chain?
then most miners will mines other coins, whichever coin that generate more revenue?
This sight should help. https://whattomine.com/asic. Since BCH now retargets every block, profitability is pretty close to parity with BTC these days. if mining profits similar in Btc and Bch, then why transaction costs much more in btc, yet slower? basically, people paid more in btc transactions than in bch transactions, so where the extra revenue goes to if miners make similar profits? The miners jump back and forth depending on whats most profitable equalising the rewards |
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hello all,
how much money miner make from mining btc vs bch?
pretend lightning networks works well for btc, then miners wont be needed for btc network? bc mostly transactions would be done off main chain?
then most miners will mines other coins, whichever coin that generate more revenue?
Miners will still be needed 100% for LN to operate it will just take many small microtransactions off chain because who care's 10 years from now that you sent $1 to buy something it's not worth keeping for all eternity and just let on chain be for high value transactions |
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I switched to Bitcoin Cash today. I had to pay $35 USD to get rid of my BTC which really pissed me off. I think the BTC community is sleeping big time, fees and delays are unacceptable. Where is the roadmap to solve these problems? I'm pretty sure BCC will provide a better return on my investment compared to BTC in 2018. I still hodl my Litecoins for now.
There are some more solutions to optimise the blockchain and allow more to be stored in the limited space coming and once these are all done then we can debate the blocksize increase Also there is LN from LightningLabs and KimDotCom has BitCache both will give pretty much unlimited scaling just see which one's win out or if both do but no matter what happens you don't need to choose as it's all bitcoin https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/944661811667677184My money is on LN be most widely adopted but I can see some potential in BatCache maybe they will have a different audience |
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That with coinbase is their own stupid fault they chose to inefficiently store the transactions making it more expensive to move they are welcome to go and bloat the BCH chain as much as they want with their incompetence these sort of things should be punished and not rewarded |
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