problem is, #bitcoin is orphaned. we have no ops there, and will not for the foreseeable future. the first time the channel is attacked by trolls/spambots/etc, you will suddenly realize that it's good to have ops.

that's the reason we currently recommend #bitcoin-discussion, because we have control of that channel.

+1 for bitcoin-otc.

nice idea, nelisky we'd need an email server capable of handling this, though.

also, the 'hashcash' idea has been tried (see hashcash.org), but has never garnered much adoption. and bitcoin is, at the end of the day, a form of hashcash.

but i'd be curious to see what comes out.

s/outlook/thunderbird/

yes, refunds are a good idea. though it may be simpler to just be able to whitelist certain addresses so they don't require payment...

just to throw in a little bit of optimism here , if the piratebay dot-p2p guys 'see the light' than this system is better than theirs, and decide to get behind it, this has a pretty good chance of getting wider adoption.

yep. that said, the big barrier is bitcoin adoption... and it won't necessarily be any better than existing systems where the sender gets an autoresponse, where he can click a link to confirm his real-personhood. but still, a good possibility, for those of us who are important


yes it would - but as long as /i/ don't see the extra traffic, it's not my problem.

just to be clear, it's nanotube's+theymos's proposal

and, we're still working out some kinks in the protocol. consider this to be an open RFC period. it's a bit too early for 'consensus'.

great, that opens the market for a hashcash-style email system of spam prevention.

"Your email is being held in a delivery queue, pending confirmation that you're a real person. If you want me to read your email, please send 0.05 btc to this address: <bitcoin address>, to release the email for delivery."

i do the same thing... but let me ask you - how about your private half of the gpg keypair? do you have any backups of that, and if so, where do you keep them and how do you keep them safe, etc.? cuz with gpg encrypted backups, if you lose your key, you're sol?

if you have a recent backup, use it, and try to open it in the .17 release client. preferably gui, so you can see all transactions at a glance.

haha, i guess they added a couple of zeros to that 1%.

can't be any more of a pain than LR is...

so does mtgox, also with no fee. just deposit btc, withdraw btc - you'll get /different/ coins, since mtgox has a lot of btc balance, and a bitcoin client tries to use older coins first.

mike, your 'laundry' is rather ineffective, if you don't pool coins from multiple users and users tend to always get their own coins back.

i trust chaord, but still, those are legitimate questions, and i think chaord would do well to detail his data treatment procedures, in order to foster trust from the community.

(and hopefully, those details include not storing cleartext cc numbers, as slush suggests ).

you can use webchat.freenode.net to connect and join.

tcatm: could you please post a csv or tab-delimited data file with the data?

RHorning: thanks for that imho-excellent summary of the various areas of "IP" law.

A couple questions of opinion for you:

1. if 17 years was enough in 1789, when the pace of economic activity was much slower, and it took a lot more time to ramp up production distribution of... everything, really, wouldn't you think that a shorter time period would be appropriate for the modern day? (assuming the goal is to 'give the creator enough time to profit by his creation'.)

2. if copyright is abolished completely, do you think the social cost of the reduction (if any) of rate of 'content creation' would be greater than the social benefit of free access for everyone to all available content?

Fwiw, my personal answers to those questions are 1. definite yes, and 2. quite unlikely.

So let me just double-check this... you say he published under CC-BY, rather than under public domain, eh?

And while I'm here - I am quite willing to /entertain/ the idea of abolishing copyright altogether (though in my current thinking I lean toward a reduction of terms to something like 5 years instead, at least to start with, rather than complete abolishment).

The problem is that /currently/ copyright does exist, and IMHO a more effective way to fight it is copyleft licensing, rather than PD, since with PD you're basically saying here bad guys, take my stuff, even though you refuse to let me do the same with your stuff, I'm going to be the doormat. With GPL and friends, you give as good as you're getting.

normally, you'd generate a separate address for each transaction. that's how you match orders with payments. otherwise there's no way to tell, if you happen to have two orders for the same amount, who sent the payment.