Lol no shit eh andu? no provable == bad time

Man the field looks empty! Am I on the right chain?

Blocks are slower than the hubs of hell too..

Include higher fees and stop bitching.

This is nothing more than BTC failing to grow at the rate it's currently being used.

Cloud mining platforms are scams.

Ahh fair enough. I apologize for the mis-understing. Perhaps a change in the wording would make it clearer?

Oooh, I thought this was Mircea Popescu's account, who from my understanding played EVE. Again, sorry for the confusion.

PONZI SCAM

(I can do this all day, You fucking scamtwat)

"Websites advertised in my signature are not endorsed by me."

By putting them into your signature that would be viewed as endorsing. Especially if you were paid to do so.



Side note: You still playing EVE? If so shoot me a PM, I would be interested in networking on that game.

As someone who lives without a bank account and exclusively off of BTC.. YES.

I only owe 1.3BTC after losing 25BTC of my original investors money. I am well on my way to redeeming myself.

You on the other hand are a straight up fucking scammer running an illegal ponzi scheme. Fuck off you twat.


If anything my red trust status just allows me to call out scamtards like you with no fear of my trust rating being "harmed".

Thank you for the transaction list andu. Will look at it shortly.


I'm just going off what I've been told clover and in all honesty I was just trying to ensure you hadn't pissed away half a BTC on what is essentially an IOU for an undeveloped coin that can be printed in infinite amount at the moment.

Starting a topic in scam accusations is redundant, as people reading this thread need to be informed as to what they are actually getting into and that these can be created at any time under the promise that they will be distributed or burnt. This in my opinion is extremely risky to anyone planning to hold or trade the coins as at any given time if a market order was put up they would be able to create more darkclam and dump them onto the market.



All this aside, I would like to hear andu out and see if he has any proposal to limit 3rd party liabilities on this project. Going off of scouts honor seems a little risky or calculated and involving doog as escrow could be misconstrued as attempting to piggy back off his trust. I believe these are valid concerns and I invite any other users to voice their concerns about this project as well.

DarkClam may have potential, But in it's current state their is far to much trust being placed on the developers to not print and pocket themselves a mountain of DC IOU's before the actual coin comes out... Even if you announced a 1% or 0.5% premine and were open about it I'm sure it would help alleviate some concerns others have. No one develops coins for free, and the only reason shitcoins exist is to take money out of peoples pockets and put it into yours.

Perhaps you need to have a look at what the title of this thread says, Claiming no premine and then stating to have left overs for future claiming are contradictory and further hurt the credibility of this.. While we can see that coins have been moved we have no way of ensuring what coins were supposed to go where..

A2) Perhaps not, But you are still hyping a severely flawed "coin". (it was my understanding you were from what I was told)
B2) I asked you before about where the XCP asset was located. You told me to fuck off.
C2) How? You tell me. I'm 99% sure no one is going to take the time to audit the entire distribution, Which is what you are counting on.
D2) You're blatantly trying to borrow doog's trusted status to give credibility to an otherwise completely flawwed distro method.
E2) Perhaps then instead of threatening to kill me take my advice and pointers, I like the idea of DC but as it sits it's COMPLETELY fucked and hyping it up and inferring to people that it may hold value in the future while you can freely create them on promise to properly distribute / burn them could be misconstrued as very scammy given the fact that you've claimed no premine yet have 13 Million or something of them sitting there...

So far you told me about cloverme and CBIindex's trade for DC and BTC which costed cloverme 0.5 BTC.

Can you think of anyone else of the top of your head?



Contrary to popular belief I'm not witch hunting you or on an anti darkclam crusade, I am honestly concerned at the lack of thought and the points of failure the current chosen distribution method holds. It's already costed one user a fair sum of BTC already.. I'm trying to prevent more needless loss on something that really shouldn't be traded until done properly via coding instead of asset creation and "scouts honor".

Andu, none of your long winded replies mean shit.

A) You cannot be trusted to distribute anything, period.
B) Information was hidden or withheld in order to save face.
C) It is impossible to tell how many have been pocketed by you and daxxog.
D) You are dragging dooglus into this bullshit to give it credibility.
E) Inability to maintain professional appearance under criticism.


Lets get the facts straight here. You have a unlocked/unlimited XCP asset and you are tricking / manipulating people into believing they will have value in order to steal BTC from JD users. That isn't speculation, that isn't me trying to bully you. That is exactly what is happening and given the fact that we have no way of knowing that the distribution was fair or not I'm calling this shit a scam and you should really reconsider what you are doing.

Make sure those who were unfortunate enough to trade real money for this bullshit broken "coin" are paid back.. DarkScam should not be traded in its current state nor should you be claiming you have no premine when the entire fucking thing is premined..

This isn't a personal issue, I don't really have a problem with andu besides the fact he is being dishonest in his given info initially on DarkScam.

But now this shit is starting to cost people money.. and personally if this isn't a scam I'd like to see any trades been done refunded and the trust issues in the distribution fixed before this shit goes on any further. As it sits I'm calling this a poorly thought out plan at worst or a shit scam at best.

Andu was the one pushing this DarkScam garbage in JD. I hold him personally responsible for any BTC lost in trades among users.
Had he not been hyping this trash up and spamming it all over users would not have perceived it to be valuable nor would have they spent BTC on it.

Given that info, I urge that no one even bother with this "coin" nor trade it until concerns in above posts have been addressed and fixed.

- Get rich they said, real value they said... All while stuffing their pockets with them and fucking people out of BTC for a worthless token.

As it sits their are to many points of failure in this distribution method. It needs to be made trust-less.

Personally I wouldn't touch this shit regardless with a 10 foot pole, Given that their PR guy andu basically reacted exactly how one would think a scammer would.

If you had actually thought about the mechanics of the distribution and making it foolproof and trustless you wouldn't be having me whistle blow..

However, Your inability to state the truth about the XCP asset, the premine and the subsequent uttering of threats in JD after I tried multiple times to discuss this matter with you in a civilized manner left me no choice.. I will not allow this project to be given perceived value nor will I allow you to hype this bullshit in any places I frequent until either a trust-less system has been put in place or you refund any BTC lost in trading this bogus shit.

I know of atleast one transaction of 0.5 BTC was traded for darkscam.. This should be refunded immediately by the trading parties.
The fact that you were knowingly allowing this shit to be traded while the asset is unlocked and unlimited screams scam.

Do not trade darkscam for BTC until the developers address the issues noted in above posts. Until then I am calling scam on this shit.

And now we have andu uttering death threats to me on JD...


Seems a very professional approach to dealing with whistle blowers eh? Suggest you'll kill them. /sarcasm

Rather than acting like a child whom's birthday was taken I'd highly suggest you perhaps work on a trustless version of this project, because as it sits right now I'm going to advise everyone against even bothering with this fucking garbage cash grab you've dreamed up to fuck JD users.

Just a reminder that this (andu) obviously level headed and extremely pleasant individual has access to the supposedly non-existant DarkScam premine and will distribute it fairly to you all, and then burn the rest... Of course once he's done threatening to kill me.

Well, I guess I'll finally make this information public before more people get sucked into this DarkClam bullshit.


First off, DarkClam is nothing more than an unlocked unlimited XCP asset, Meaning that the developers can essentially create more whenever.
Promises to have an actual crypto done up have been flying around, but not a single member of the darkclam team seems capable of such work.

The OP of this post (andu) deliberately deceived people initially stating DarkClam was not an XCP asset, However later it was found out to be.
I know of more than a few occurrences where JD users have been sucked in by this shit and traded BTC for these essentially worthless unlimited XCP assets...

Now wait a second...

These guys are claiming that this darkclam may have some value in the future all the while being able to create as many coins as they want..
The problem that this creates is that is it impossible to tell exactly how many DarkClam they've created from nothing.. and also how many they may claim to have distributed while stuffing them in their own pockets. Far too many points of trust failure here, and given that andu already has been caught deceiving people initially about what this "coin" really is do you honestly think that he doesn't have a hidden stash or premine set aside?

So OP (andu) already has been caught spreading mis-information about the project from the get go.. And now we are going to trust him to have not filled his own pockets with these limitless assets which are essentially IOU's for some clone coin that they *may* be creating (which, given the design of this "coin" MUST be premined in order to supply the users that claimed the XCP asset with the "actual coin")

Next comes my favourite part, The vote they have going currently for march 16th basically allows you to either vote for them to be "burned" (why would you have to burn anything if no premine as stated in thread title?) or to have them all transferred to JD owner dooglus to further distribute...

I'd like to ask dooglus why he's even risking his trust getting involved with a project that basically from the start was designed to allow the developers to create unlimited amounts of coins with no sure way of telling if they've properly distributed or burned them all. (Again, why do you need to burn coins if their is no premine as stated in thread title?). Personally dooglus if I was you I would stay as far removed from this project as possible. Why create more work for yourself while risking your reputation on something that wasn't properly thought out from the get go.

When it's proven that this was all an elaborate scheme cooked up by the developers to fuck people out of their hard earned BTC you're probably not going to want any involvement at all.


This project as it is laid out currently has far to many points of failure, Taking the developers word that the distribution was done fairly doesn't fucking fly in crypto land and given that OP has already been caught trying to deceive people about the true nature of this project I would highly advise you skip over this scam in the making and not waste your BTC or CLAM supporting a project solely intended to pad the pockets of the developers via embezzled premined assets.. Dark Clam's scam potential is undeniable and andu doesn't want you to know this info.



Don't buy into bullshit dark clam hype. Adding dark to a coins name and making an unlimited XCP asset with the promise to fairly distribute and burn is absolutely fucking absurd considering you claim no premine but the entire idea behind this cannot work without said premine.


TL:DR; Andu lied about what DarkClam was initially, has been trading unlocked XCP assets while promising users they will have value (they won't) all under the promise that it will be fairly distributed (unlikely) all while trying to drag dooglus into it to give this scam in the making credibility.




"Don't worry we'll make sure it's distributed fairly, trust us, we totally didn't make this "coin" so we could embezzle a fair chunk" -Andu's expected response.


P.S. Great idea, terrible execution. If you want your projects to be successful do not allow andu's PR anywhere near it. Any credibility this "coin" may have had is absolutely smashed now given the fact your public relations guy can't even keep his fucking story straight.

^

Beware of ponzi schemes. Their is no legit way to double your BTC as the site operators lay out.

Anyone who participates in a ponzi is in fact an accessory to fraud and may be charged as such.

Mmmm bb. Time to HUC! No one is on the field barely!