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341  Other / Off-topic / Re: What Song are you Listening To? on: September 02, 2014, 07:49:14 AM
The Doors | People Are Strange: www.youtube.com/watch?v=awi14wDTxN
It's a classic rock kind of night. Smiley
342  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 30, 2014, 11:23:21 PM
It's starting to feel like we're gonna keep testing this level until it falls. Hate to say it. I wonder if this will be like "the last time we see 500s again" -- except in reverse? I guess we'll see who among the hodlers can really hodl. Smiley
343  Economy / Speculation / Re: USD Swap demand on Bitfinex has never been so high on: August 30, 2014, 10:13:26 PM
Can someone please explain how exactly total return swaps work on bitfinex with USD. What type of risk is the offerer exposed to? Is the rate of return per day really .1469%? I dont understand how the rate of return could be so high without there being effective risk for the person offering the swap.

Risk is the exchange might go bankrupt.

Firstly, they don't really insure lenders' money. If all positions had to be liquidated based on the order book, USD lenders would lose dearly -- very dearly. And Bitfinex makes no legal guarantees there.

But yeah, they could certainly go bankrupt... or simply run off with the money. I'd be weary to keep too much permanently parked in USD lending there, as I've heard more than one programmer remark that their platform is not coded well, and even that they don't understand the issues around floating point arithmetic. That would, in turn, make me worry about their security protocols. We know very little about the identities of Bitfinex's operators, and if they were to lose significantly in a hack, it may be easiest for them to simply cut and run.

Just a hypothetical...
344  Economy / Economics / Re: will America ever be free again? on: August 30, 2014, 09:45:28 PM
so yes in the good old days when money was honest and the banks couldn't simply print it out of thin air to buy the politicians at least half of the population could vote in a manner that could change something.
today no one's vote matters, but hey good for the women for getting the right to cast a meaningless vote...

You think this all boils down to "honest money"? The banking monopoly is only a small piece of the puzzle. The use of hierarchical power against the oppressed is human's perpetual history.

The point is that the early 1900s in no way represent freedom. It was simply more of a "wild west" of opportunity within a context of drastic political, social and economic inequality. The comment on women being treated as second class citizens is only the tip of the iceberg. And the point is that "government monopolies" are the not the only ones to consider.
345  Economy / Economics / Re: Why we give respect to Rich and no-respect to poor? on: August 30, 2014, 09:32:37 PM
Because they think they deserve it. "Oh, he deserves to be poor, its their fault". This along with the hope of poor people to get rich, constitute the fundamental pillar to keep the capitalism scam going.

Pretty much. Unfortunately it never dawns on most to consider why from generation to generation, the poor stay poor and the rich stay rich. Hard work? My ass. Private property allowed for rent, profit, usury. The rest is history.

And to be clear, the people I've known who would be considered "rich" by relative standards, have always been the laziest I've ever come across -- the type who couldn't be bothered to lift a finger for themselves.
346  Economy / Economics / Re: Would u pay in bitcoin? on: August 30, 2014, 08:24:13 PM
sometimes when we buy any item with bitcoin, there are a lot of discount we can get, as example if we buy laptop or gadget, we can get discount until 20%. If this is continues, maybe I will always paying anything with bitcoin, hopefully this is always happen when we shop ...
Up to 20%? Are you sure? I didn't realize that the margins on laptops was so high.  Smiley

Someone just posted in another thread that Newegg is giving 30% discount on orders above 500$ paid in bitcoin.  Not confirmed but not denied either.

A good free-market capitalist should buy all their stock with bitcoin and then sell it on eBay with a 25% markup.  Cheesy

Unless their plain (non-discounted) price already is 35% over the rest of the market, of course.  Grin

Well, if it was happening a couple days ago, it doesn't seem to be happening now. I just tried to order a desktop PC. It actually applied a 20% discount before choosing payment method. After choosing bitcoin as a payment method, the amount did not change.
347  Economy / Economics / Re: will America ever be free again? on: August 30, 2014, 08:12:19 PM
will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

Ah, the good old days -- when women weren't legally allowed to vote, right? When laws were skewed to favor white, male property owners above all others? I wonder if old white men from the early 20th century fantasized about a return to the days when they could legally own slaves as well. Roll Eyes
348  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 30, 2014, 08:08:44 PM


Che was a Marxist revolutionary.  Please don't associate Bitcoin with Marxism.  We are anti-Statism.



Probably lots of reasons not to associate Bitcoin with Che Guevara, but anti-statism isn't a good one. Marxism's eventual goal is Communism, which its proponents see as a classless, stateless society.


They said that the society will be stateless because nothing will exist outside the state, so we can't speak about the state as a separate entity.

I guess it is not what most bitcoiners want.

LMGTFY -- agree. They don't say "nothing will exist outside the state." Not at all. The idea is that once we live in a classless society, the state will have no utility, and no reason to exist. In other words, they want the same ends that anarchists do. Now, whether practice follows from theory is another question.
349  Other / Off-topic / Re: What Song are you Listening To? on: August 30, 2014, 08:05:40 PM
Eric Clapton - Change The World
www.youtube.com/watch?v=x11NA63gLDM
That's my jam right now. Jam on. Smiley
350  Economy / Speculation / Re: sideways for so long now.... on: August 12, 2014, 08:00:44 AM
Wall Street is not going to invest in crypto currencies on any major scale. This goes against all they rely on to make a living, and would undermine their own existence. Who would do such a stupid thing.

Wall street is utterly rotten - I'm not sure why would anyone want them to hop in

Well, I think it's pretty obvious. People figure that Wall Street funds invest in the billions, so considering bitcoin's market cap, if they actually wanted to invest that kind of money, it would have to drive up the price considerably. Wouldn't you agree?

Now the question is, do they want in? Tongue
351  Other / Archival / Re: remove on: August 08, 2014, 06:49:35 AM
Bitcoin is actually a project that originated from within the NSA. There is a "backdoor" that allows the NSA to manipulate the blockchain and snoop on BTC users. Grin
352  Economy / Services / Re: GAW MINERS PAYS FOR YOUR SIGNATURE >>> HIGH RATES 50posts = 0.1BTC JOIN US! on: August 03, 2014, 02:15:06 AM
Added you, we have 3 spots left. Please use the new sig Smiley

I count one spot left..... I'll check back to make sure you confirm. Smiley

Please sign me up.

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353  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 02, 2014, 10:15:43 PM
and so the bear trap transformed into a bull trap.

There is no Bull trap, now it's weekend so market trying to take breath
before begining of new week, just enjoy your weekend and forget about Bitcoin movement.

I hope you're right. Thing is, it seems like BTC makes these bounces that break the short term down trend, so you think it's bullish, but then it slumps for days and then eventually just seems to roll over....
354  Other / Archival / Re: remove on: August 02, 2014, 10:13:42 PM
Bitcoin is just in a bubble! We will go back to < $1 prices in short order!! Tongue

(Right......)
355  Other / Off-topic / Re: What Song are you Listening To? on: August 02, 2014, 10:10:08 PM
Cream - Sleepy Time Time (live, 2005)
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMhffn22wFE
Nothin' beats the classics. Cool
356  Economy / Services / Re: [DiceBitco.in] [Make the most out of your sig!] Make coins by simply posting! on: July 30, 2014, 07:03:42 PM
User: JerryCurlzzz
Posts: 197
BTC address:
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I'd like to sign up, too. Thanks for the opportunity! Smiley
357  Other / Archival / Re: remove on: July 27, 2014, 12:39:44 PM
bitcoin will never succeed because the government won't let it!
358  Other / Off-topic / Re: How much time you have spent in jail on: July 27, 2014, 09:51:57 AM
not jail really, but spent the night in a holding cell/drunk tank once. Grin

same here. one night is all I need. please no more. Smiley
359  Other / Off-topic / Re: What Song are you Listening To? on: July 27, 2014, 09:51:10 AM
Marvin Gaye

I Heard It Through The Grapevine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hajBdDM2qdg
360  Other / Off-topic / Re: My favorite drink is........... on: July 27, 2014, 09:50:13 AM
i've always been a Bloody Mary kind of a guy. tomato juice makes you strong! Smiley
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