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341  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto investment vs real estate investment : Which one more dependable? on: December 30, 2023, 08:27:16 PM
Crypto investment vs real estate investment : Which one more dependable in the future
Though have been in the crypto space for quite some time now, I knew little about crypto. A friend of mine just introduced me to real estate investment.
Which one should I go for with a capital less than $2500?

There's no need to confuse yourself with two good choices like that, mate, because if you still have feelings for both of them for now. Of course, there is no need to find it difficult to choose one of them because you can divide the amount of money into two parts and then just do both with the capital you have. However, investments such as real estate usually require a large amount of capital if the type and price of the real estate can be quite expensive, whereas for crypto you don't have to have a large amount of capital and you can run it quite happily.

This means that each choice is in your own heart even though both of them already look good enough for your own future and you also definitely know what the best crypto investment is if you have been in the crypto space long enough. So there is no such thing as headache and difficulty in choosing which one is best because if you are mature enough to understand it, of course you yourself also know which one is best for yourself and your own future. Apart from that, I think that amount of money is enough to carry out the two investments that you already know about.
342  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Buying and Losing My First Bitcoin on: December 30, 2023, 08:16:43 PM
Bitcoin is still completely illegal in my country. I was first introduced to Bitcoin through a friend of mine. I first bought Bitcoin in early 2017. I bought only 25 dollars worth of bitcoins then. The feeling of making the first investment in life was different. Although I wasted that Bitcoin by investing in a third party hype site. I had a hard time losing my first bitcoin.

How did it feel when you first invested in Bitcoin?
If you ask me about my feelings when I first invested in Bitcoin, of course I felt quite happy even though I didn't express my joy to everyone when I first invested in Bitcoin. But what people who have invested in Bitcoin have seen for a long time is that it is a very normal thing and they have even made it a routine job where they don't have to feel like doing it because they are so used to it. But for people who have just tried it, it is certainly very common to have feelings of joy in their hearts when they are able to invest in Bitcoin.
343  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Apa Pendapat Kalian Tentang Boikot Produk Israel? on: December 28, 2023, 03:07:55 PM
Susah kayanya mas karena Indonesia bukan negara maju dalam segi perekonomian atau keuangannya,makan nya Indonesia masih bergantung  sama negara-negara yang sudah bagus ekonomi nya,karena kita tau Indonesia juga hutang nya geda,makannya Indonesia gak bisa sembarangan memutus kan tentang pemboikotan itu.
Walau disisi lain memang ini kesempatan untuk Indonesia untuk mandiri dari segi bidang apapun.

Memang tidak ada yang mudah dalam hal pemboikotan ini om, apalagi kalau banyak warga Indonesia yang sudah cukup cocok dengan produk tertentu untuk dipakai sehari-hari dalam kehidupannya. Tetapi ketika kita mulai peduli dengan apa yang diserukan oleh pihak MUI Indonesia terhadap hal itu, tentu kita sendiri yang akan mencari produk alternatifnya untuk kita gunakan sehari-hari tanpa ada rasa terpaksa didalam hati kita sendiri om. Apalagi produk dari Israel itu sebenarnya tidak terlalu banyak, cuma produk yang bekerjasama dengan Israel itu yang masih cukup banyak sehingga hal itulah yang membuat kita menjadi sulit untuk melakukan pemboikotan, namun bukan berarti tidak ada solusi atau caranya juga om.

Karena dampak pemboikotan itu tentu akan merusak perputaran ekonomi dari pihak Israel dan juga negara-negara yang bekerjasama dengan Israel om. Selain itu, ketika MUI sudah menyerukan warga Indonesia untuk melakukan hal itu, tentu pihak MUI sendiri sudah membuat pertimbangan yang cukup matang terhadap hal tersebut dan kalau untuk masalah seperti para pekerja yang mendapatkan PHK gara-gara penjualan produk yang merosot, saya kira mereka masih bisa bekerja di tempat lain atau membuat bisnis sendiri dengan ide yang sudah mereka kuasai sebelumnya supaya penghasilan untuk kehidupan mereka sendiri tidak terganggu. Lagi pula, Indonesia tidak berhutang pada Israel serta tidak memiliki hubungan diplomatik dengan negara Israel, jadi tidak ada kata sulit apabila kita memiliki kemauan untuk melakukannya dengan senang hati om.
344  Economy / Speculation / Re: Your feelings if Bitcoin price takes your expectations unaware on: December 28, 2023, 02:28:04 PM
As a short-term goal Bitcoin Investor whose eyes has been on the Bitcoin market and has accumulated as much Bitcoin while expecting the bull-run markets to come and skyrockets so you can sell you Coins at a profitable higher price, and then you wake up lately maybe at night or sometimes in the morning and learns that Bitcoins value rate (Price) hitted the market even times 3 of what you expected for example, you awaits the market to hit $65K and then it hits $165K just at your slightest mistake of given the markets charts monitoring maybe few minutes or an hour break and then it depreciated unimpressively against your will probably even below your hodling value at your notice, how would you feel at it?
His feelings could be a mixture of joy and sadness because he didn't have time to see the price chart movement like that because he fell asleep. But it is not something to regret even though it has passed a profit that is multiples of what was previously expected, because when there is a price chart like that in a fairly short period of time, of course there is also the possibility of it happening again, although not at the same number as that you mentioned. So there is no need to regret what has passed because maybe someone's fortune is not in that number.
345  Economy / Economics / Re: The Role of Education in Financial Literacy on: December 28, 2023, 02:10:22 PM
But I feel you are missing the point of this topic because you having creative ideas and even establishing them still doesn’t make you a financial literate. Remember we are talking about financial literacy. At the end of the day, even if you have the idea, you still need to employ it at least consult financial literate people who know economics to look into your business. And honestly, the major way I see for someone to have financial literacy or know economics so well is through higher education.

It is not wrong if you see someone who is knowledgeable about finance and financial literacy through a degree in economics that is quite mature. But we also forget that someone also needs practice in life because experience will usually be more formed when someone starts to practice what they know or have learned through education in their own life.

Because I still quite often see some people with a fairly high level of education in a science such as economics who are still unemployed and don't know what work to do and don't know where to start a business. So knowledge alone will not be enough if there is no practice and knowledge will not always be sharp and can even be more likely to become dull if it is not used immediately when it is obtained. Therefore, both of them have become quite important and are owned by everyone so that the knowledge they already know can be truly useful for themselves and those around them.
346  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is Too Expensive For Me. on: December 28, 2023, 01:12:01 PM
That's funny how the dude says that $2K is not enough to invest in Bitcoin when others just invest $50 or so every month and feel good about that. It's all about perspective and state of mind.
Maybe the man's thoughts are very different from the thoughts of other people who are more grateful for investing $50 or more each month. Even though I myself think that capital of $2K is quite good for investing in Bitcoin because the amount will be immediately visible if he buys it with an amount of money around $2K. So I also find it surprising when a guy says that much money isn't enough for an investment like Bitcoin that other people can do with even smaller amounts than that.
347  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Gimana kalo Gurun di ubah menjadi hutan? on: December 27, 2023, 11:40:45 AM
  Karena cuaca panas terjadi di dunia terutama yang melanda sebahagian wilayah indonesia akhir-akhir ini, muncul pertanyaan di benak saya Kenapa tidak dilakukan kegiatan  penghijauan besar-besaran di gurun? untuk mencegah pemanasan global.
Indonesia adalah negara yang sangat berbeda dengan semua negara lain yang ada didunia ini om, sehingga om tidak boleh menyamakan kondisi iklim atau cuaca yang ada di Indonesia dengan negara lain karena Indonesia adalah negara yang berpulau-pulau sehingga tidak memiliki gurun pasir seperti yang ada di pikiran om sendiri, jadi om tidak perlu memikirkan untuk mengubah gurun pasir menjadi hutan di Indonesia karena memang di Indonesia sendiri tidak memiliki gurun pasir seperti dibeberapa negara lainnya.

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  memang ada sejumlah proyek penghijauan gurun pasir besar-besaran di Afrika, Timur Tengah, dan China. Sama seperti namanya, penghijauan gurun berarti mengubah gurun menjadi hutan lebat.
tetapi tidak terlalu mengpengaruhi atau tidak mengurangi efek panas, yaa.. karena tujuan utama mereka untu membuka lahan pertanian.
Afrika, Timur Tengah, dan China memang layak melakukan hal itu demi meredam panas dan juga demi memiliki lebih banyak lahan pertanian apabila hal itu bisa sukses serta berhasil dengan rencana yang telah mereka susun secara rapi. Tetapi hal tersebut tentu tidak akan pernah terjadi di Indonesia karena seperti yang saya katakan diatas bahwa negara kita tidak memiliki gurun pasir dan masih ada lebih banyak hutan yang harus dilindungi oleh pihak pemerintah demi mencegah panas dan banjir dalam setiap tahunnya.

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Saya berniat membangun komonitas Penghijauan untuk mengurangi efek pemanasan Global, agak mustahil bagi saya untuk melakukan hal yang besar seperti ini seorang diri. siapa tau dengan postingan saya ini bisa menemukan orang-orang yang sependapat atau berniat melakukan hall yang sama namun karena akses terbatas pasrah terhadap hal tersebut.

pernahkah kalian berpikir adanya kemungkinan untuk mengubah gurun menjadi hutan?
Jika om masih belum cukup ilmu dan pengetahuan untuk menjalankan hal itu, tentu om sendiri tidak perlu memikirkan hal itu kecuali om memang telah tinggal di negara-negara yang ada gurun pasirnya. Jadi saya secara pribadi masih belum memikirkan hal itu karena memang tidak perlu dipikirkan walaupun ide untuk mengubah gurun pasir menjadi hutan itu adalah ide yang cukup bagus bagi beberapa negara yang memiliki gurun pasir.
348  Economy / Speculation / Re: Btc dump to 39600 on: December 27, 2023, 10:26:07 AM
It is normal for Bitcoin price to be lower and higher, because Bitcoin price was higher in the past, but has decreased since then and currently is 15.5K in January 2023. But from there, the price increased in just a few days, and by the end of 2023, the price of Bitcoin has reached 44K. And it's a small bullrun that makes it normal for bitcoin prices to go up and down a bit. The Bitcoin market fluctuates due to the buying and selling of Bitcoin holders. So I like the Bitcoin market to be higher because as the Bitcoin market improves, the number of investors will increase and the investors will continue to profit.
You and investors have seen how the price of Bitcoin has fallen and risen for a full year now so it is natural that at the end of this year there will be more investors to invest in Bitcoin and also make traders continue to be enthusiastic in seeking profits through Bitcoin. But now what everyone really hopes for is market trends that can continue to improve and transaction costs that are no longer expensive so that everyone can be quite happy when making transactions via Bitcoin to any exchange they like.
349  Economy / Economics / Re: Food for thought on: December 27, 2023, 09:20:26 AM
A part time or side work isn't bad either. If I could make up time for some side work, I will surely take it, as it'll bring me some extra money.
Maybe everyone will also take it if they have the time to do it enthusiastically and diligently, because the benchmark itself is the income that can be obtained by using free time on side jobs or so-called part-time jobs. However, we also have to pay attention to how much money we can get during that part time, whether it is enough for the time we sacrifice because with every sacrifice of time there must be a feeling of tiredness which we also have to accept happily.

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BTW, I don't think a factory employee can pull off such a task. Working two or multiple jobs is just too much of a hassle for him. If it were me, I would have just stick to my old job.
There's really nothing wrong with that, because I also often see factory workers or rough people in various factories who don't have time to do side jobs. This is of course caused by the small amount of free time they have, which makes them unable to do more work except for the main work they have done so far. But they also have to think that a side or part-time job can also help them in life when they no longer have the strength to work in a factory as a manual laborer.
350  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin investment is kind on: December 27, 2023, 09:09:23 AM
Probably many people has invested in bitcoin and they got profit and some also got loss for the investment, also some people have converted their business payment with bitcoin instead of making payment with fiat currency but nevertheless you can not decide to follow a steps of someone who benefited with bitcoin and open a shops and demand payment with bitcoin,
Every person who has made a new step in their own business must have previously given good consideration to the step they are creating. As you have said, there are some people who have converted their currency to Bitcoin as a form of their business in terms of investment and there are also those who have directly invested in Bitcoin without having to make any form of conversion. And for those who want to accept Bitcoin as payment in businesses they manage themselves, this is something that is very common in several other shops in the world.

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So myself I have decided to launch a vehicle parts shops in my city by January 2024 and I have decided to use Bitcoin as one of the criteria of payment because of what I'm seeing for bitcoin increment and my country that permit for cryptocurrency transaction in my country, secondly I want to start having my own bitcoin with the payment of my vehicle parts, I don't know if mempool of bitcoin I have being hearing will still continue by next year 2024 because I sense that it's what will bridge people not to make a payment with bitcoin if i open by January 16th, because all the necessary arrangements has already put in place and  awaiting for January 16th to open officially.
It seems like you have a better plan for yourself at the start of next year and also want to make a big change by accepting Bitcoin into your business payments. I also feel quite impressed with this because I also have a hobby of modifying the motorbikes that I have so that all the motorbikes that I use now are really no longer in factory standard condition.
351  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Is Bitcoin Price Increasing? on: December 23, 2023, 12:18:30 AM
The price is increasing, yes, and the Halving is approaching. I think what we really need to think about is how big the correction will be. Because this is a very important issue for those who have not completed their investment or want to increase their investment amount. None of us know when or if this correction will occur, but it may make sense to act on this possibility.
It is indeed very reasonable to take any action as an initial preparation regarding the possibility of a correction and also an increase in prices after it occurs. Because the halving moment is always welcomed by everyone and everyone always has high hopes for an increase in prices after the halving occurs, so it clearly makes sense to continue acting from now on.

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Unexpected events often occur in the market. We do not know if such an event will occur in the future, but it is obvious that expectations will increase as the Halving approaches.
Unexpected things often happen every year in the market and this cannot be denied by everyone but they continue to witness it and feel it with pleasure. From before, everyone has also seen that halving always has a greater incentive to mobilize many people into the market so that price fluctuations in the market can continue to occur, especially in Bitcoin.
352  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Apa Kripto Itu Kejam? on: December 22, 2023, 08:20:48 AM
Rasa ingin cepat kaya, ditambah ketidaktahuan akan teknologi crypto, seringkali membuat orang-orang tertipu oleh sistem Ponzi atau proyek Scam. Hal ini seperti yang pernah saya ceritakan tentang seorang teman saya yang sudah kepala empat yang sangat bersemangat join dalam proyek BNB SCAM ( Re: Waspada Binance Palsu (Scam) ) karena beliau merasa apa yang beliau ketahui adalah sesuatu yang ekslusif dimana teman-teman seangkatannya tidak banyak yang tahu.
Seharusnya orang tersebut bisa lebih termotivasi untuk mencari tahu tentang asal usul proyek tersebut ketika teman-teman seangkatannya tidak banyak yang tahu tentang proyek tersebut dan cara yang diterapkan oleh pihak proyek tersebut ya om. Bukan malah langsung mempercayai proyek tersebut sebagai lahan pencari uang dan bermimpi untuk menjadi cepat kaya dengan gampangnya mengikuti semua arahan dari proyek tersebut, karena saya juga sempat berpikir bahwa tidak ada orang didunia ini yang mau memberikan uang secara cuma-cuma untuk membuat seseorang menjadi cepat kaya.

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Orang jahat bisa membalut penipuan mereka dengan membeberkan fakta-fakta wow tentang kripto semisal lonjakan harga BTC dari tahun 2010 hingga sekarang. Atau juga lonjakan harga BNB dari awal rilis sampai sekarang. Semua hal tersebut adalah fakta yang bisa diverifikasi kebenarannya. Sehingga korban akan percaya lalu join dan ketika sudah tertipu, sebagian dari mereka marah-marah dan kemudian menuduh kalau kripto ini adalah penipuan.
Itulah lucunya sebagian orang yang belum benar-benar mengetahui tentang kripto om, dia langsung mengatakan kripto itu adalah penipuan hanya gara-gara dia sudah tertipu dan pernah bekerjasama dengan orang yang salah sehingga langsung menganggap semua yang ada di kripto itu adalah penipuan. Saya rasa orang semacam itu biasanya orang yang sangat malas dalam membaca dan membuat penelitian sendiri dalam hal apapun, termasuk dalam hal kripto sehingga ketika ada sedikit yang dia ketahui tentang kripto, dia langsung mempercayainya tanpa melakukan penelitian secara lebih lanjut pada apa yang dia percayakan itu.
353  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is Bitcoin Bear Market over? on: December 22, 2023, 08:01:10 AM
It might happen with your prediction, but usually before entering the halving era, Bitcoin will tend to experience a correction first, which will trigger a movement to increase later.So after the correction occurs, the movement will slowly continue to be carried out by Bitcoin until it reaches a renewable ATH, which will be done in 2025.So there is still an opportunity before the halving period for those who want to invest by continuing to buy through whatever scheme is the best they can do.
The trigger for price movements is caused by many people buying when they see larger price corrections and also smaller price corrections. Because the Bitcoin price will not be able to move on its own without the help of a very large number of buyers and traders in the market, so anyone can only conclude or speculate that the level of involvement of many people in the market is the cause of triggering Bitcoin price movements in the market with for any reason or by expecting any moment in this quite positive trend.
354  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Implications of War on Individuals on: December 22, 2023, 07:11:44 AM
Either we hate it or not we're left no choice to survive unless you are that rich to travel to the safest place of the planet. There really is an economic implications of war on individuals because some elite make money during this time while others are suffering. During war, internet and electricity might be down that time and I don't think in most affected areas can even think of having business or saving and earning in Bitcoin. I think the best thing to do right now is to prepare incase a war broke out because you don't have time to do that on the spot. Prepare for the worst.
Being prepared to face the worst consequences of war does not mean having to be willing to stay where the war is, but being prepared, in other words, means being able to move to another, safer place so that every activity we are currently carrying out is not disturbed by war. Any economic sector will continue to be disrupted by war so that there is no way to survive other than moving to another place, although some elite people may be able to earn money through war, but this only depends on a few individuals who we cannot judge in general because generally more people suffer as a result of war.
355  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Argentina has officially approved the agreement to legalize the use of Bitcoin on: December 22, 2023, 06:31:02 AM
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This time maybe Argentina is about to legalize bitcoin in their country. We heard the news after Argentina's new president, Javier Milli, won the election.
Today I saw confirmation from Argentina's appointed Minister of Foreign Affairs that officially approved the agreement to legalize the use of Bitcoin in Argentina.
I also hope that this can run quite smoothly and safely in Argentina because El Salvador also has very good diplomatic relations with Argentina so that Argentine citizens themselves have been familiar with Bitcoin for a long time and many have also used Bitcoin. So if the legalization can run smoothly in Argentina, of course the Argentine government itself will not be difficult enough to introduce Bitcoin to its own citizens after it is truly approved by all parties.

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We saw that people in Argentina have adopted digital currencies such as Bitcoin and USD in recent years.
If Argentina formally approves the agreement to legalize Bitcoin, it would be the first step toward potentially wider crypto adoption in the country
Argentinian people have known Bitcoin for a long time and no longer see Bitcoin as something new to them at this time. Diana Mondino, Argentina's minister of foreign affairs, international trade and worship, has also claimed that the decree legalizing the use of certain currencies in contracts and payments will apply to Bitcoin. And that is something that is very good for Argentina, considering that this country is a fairly developed and prosperous country overall. Source: https://cointelegraph.com/news/argentina-contracts-settled-bitcoin
356  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Pertimbangan Sebelum Berinvestasi Bitcoin - Untuk Pemula on: December 21, 2023, 04:02:49 PM
Yang menjadi kunci adalah "nyali". Bukan nyali yang tanpa perhitungan karena jika tanpa pertimbangan apapun sama saja seperti berangkat ke medan perang dengan tangan kosong. Namun terlalu perhitungan juga tidak efektif karena bisa saja tidak menjadi kenyataan karena sudah takut duluan terhadap konsekuensinya. Yang dibutuhkan adalah nyali yang berani menerima resikonya dan tentunya didukung dengan analisa, sebuah rencana dan pengaturan finansial yang sehat.

Sepertinya om telah menyebutkan pertimbangan yang lumayan lengkap terhadap pemula yang ingin berinvestasi di Bitcoin, karena saya pribadi juga lebih melihat pada dukungan analisan dan pengetahuan terlebih dahulu sebelum para pemula memiliki nyali yang berani dan finansial yang sehat om. Namun yang selama ini saya lihat di sebagian besar pemula adalah mereka tidak memiliki cukup nyali yang berani dalam menerima konsekuensinya, walaupun hal itu juga saya anggap wajar karena mungkin mereka juga sedang belajar untuk memiliki hal itu didalam diri mereka sendiri sebelum mereka benar-benar melakukan investasi di Bitcoin dengan dukungan finansial yang lebih sehat.
357  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Is Bitcoin Price Increasing? on: December 21, 2023, 03:21:59 PM
today bitcoin price down, but in long time still uptrend and incrase price again
becuase next year 2024 bitcoin halving momentum bitcoin demand incrase high , so bitcoin price incraese too
Halving momentum is always marked by price corrections from the bottom up as is happening now, but I also cannot predict what percentage of price correction will occur when the time starts to get too close to the halving. Because next year is getting closer and soon we will all leave this year with some pretty sweet memories.

the price is now very dynamic, it very often happens before major holidays and, of course, there is a rush for the next halving since it is approximately this spring and many expect explosive growth, which is why they are buying now. But since the market is very unpredictable, it is too early to draw conclusions whether this trend will hold until spring.
Trends like this could last until next spring although it seems too early to judge this now on Bitcoin and the market. Because when there are many people who hope for very good price growth in Bitcoin and continue to buy according to their respective abilities from now on, of course this will be the main effect that will make the trend always last better in the market.
358  Economy / Economics / Re: Setting up financial structures before going into the family way on: December 21, 2023, 03:08:26 PM
money is important of course especially if you want to start a family a lot of the replies in here still believe that it’s always the man who is responsible with the couple’s finances but these days a lot of women are now working and I personally know married couples wherein the woman is the only one working out of the two
For things like responsibilities in a family, we cannot judge each family equally, because the issue of working to earn money was born out of their own initiative after marriage. Moreover, this is of course caused by always needing money at any time when someone is building their own family so that both women and men will always be willing to work as long as their work can generate money and can be used for their own household needs. So this is clearly not only related to men, but also involves women if they both know what to do.

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being married means that you guys should stick to each other even at your lowest however one can only take so much while money is a crucial part here i think it’s more about the mindset and lifestyle your partner wants it’s not women love money it’s women love goal-oriented, determined and hardworking men it’s just a bonus that comes with it is money
When someone is married and tied into one institution, namely family, of course both of them have to work hard and be diligent with each other on everything they consider important. Because the problem of work does not only lie with men, but women also have to work if they have the ability to do it and this is for the sake of their own family. So there is no reason to blame each other if both of them really want to build a very peaceful family in their own lives because in general both of them have the same responsibility to support their family members.
359  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The risk and reward of having Bitcoin on: December 21, 2023, 02:52:42 PM
I totally agree with you, When it comes to cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, the responsibility lies with us as users to ensure the security of our assets. It's all about being accurate, thorough, and taking the necessary steps to store and send Bitcoin correctly. Unlike traditional banks, where the responsibility lies with them, with Bitcoin, we become our own bank. This means that any errors in sending or storing Bitcoin are solely our responsibility. It's crucial to be diligent and well-informed to minimize the risks and keep our assets safe. Thanks!
This is not wrong because keeping the Bitcoins we own safely is almost the same as keeping our own money safe when we don't store it in any bank. Apart from that, I also thought that saving money in the bank would not be completely safe and could even be said to be not very safe, so for now I also mostly keep it to myself and only put what is necessary into the bank. The rest I just keep Bitcoin as my savings by keeping it safe and don't use it if I don't need something very urgent like needing money and so on.
360  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How to get 1 eth or 1 btc on: December 20, 2023, 03:50:13 PM
In a modern way, no Trolls or old ideas/patern
The way to get 1 eth or 1 btc is by working hard and smart because the combination of the two will make it possible for everyone to get it the way they do within a certain time. In fact, it is almost like we want to earn money in life, where everyone has to work hard and smartly in order to earn money for themselves. Because this will not be obtained by sleeping and dreaming without being accompanied by our own efforts through the methods we have learned previously.
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